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Hazbin Hotel 2x5 (Patreon)

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2025-11-13 12:19:54
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Hazbin 2x5

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Hail Vox Populi the peoples voice

KikzoThe DemonJackal

Unfortunately even if the Angels did show that Sir Pen was redeemed Vox would of still twisted their words saying that the Angels knew redemption was possible this whole time but they didn't tell us and would say they would rather have us stay down here to not have any sinners taint their holy land that they could of stop the mass genocide anytime they wanted but they didn't because they don't want a sinner up there. Because to them that wouldn't be a true winner and that they enjoy our suffering and our deaths by holy blades So either way vox would of still spun it around

Noodle

Lotta cute reptiles in this episode

Vueko

don't know if revealing the whole redemption thing would of made much of a difference, Vox said they should rise and take over heaven instead of redemption, he never said it wasn't possible there and with how mad and vengeful he made everyone, i don't think many sinners will want to live along side heaven now anyways.

Yovan_Night (Purple Rain🟪)

Lucifer definitely has part of the blame along with Sera. He didn’t talk to Charlie at all before going to the rally, and he showed how powerless he is to Vox. He literally hoed himself out of his own title

איתי קורן

There are lots of reasons for how vox could've spun it if the angels showed pentious or talked about redemption, but why didn't they even try? Imo none of them were really listening to charlie. Emily and abel were just there to say sorry so they fixated on that and backed out when it didn't work. Sera just went along with it since she hasn't gotten over her issues yet, and lute was never gonna say anything. None of them were going to talk about pentious, at least not before everyone accepted their apology.

Darc Hart94

That lucifer song deserved to be a full song on its own. I kinda hate that vox took over

BizarroPhoenix

Yeah the mistake was going to that rally in the first place. They could basically spin everything on their home turf, even something as big as proof of redemption.

BigKez0

MHGA is crazy work

xman t

While you're right that vox would have spun it no matter what, Charlie honestly has every right to be upset with vaggie and lucifer *specifically for this instance.* She is trying to promote peace. Having lucifer go down and try to demand that the others listen to him is literally the worst possible thing you could do. You can't promote peace by using force/displays of power. It's the same reason why when you see sera transform in front of the sinners, you're like "you're so stupid!" They poured gasoline on a fire while she was off trying to find a bucket of water

xman t

I truly wish vox hadn't interrupted lucifer's song. It had the potential to be the best song in the whole show if it had just been longer

Matt Myers

one easy way to take responsibility would've been "Heaven didn't want a genocide, it was only known by 2 people and a the exercists"

Cashryn Sins

low key sad, she doesn't say One Piece anymore because we're caught up. T_T

Freaky Feline

The problem with all the solutions for dealing with Vox is that it's just retreading the same mistakes Charlie made in episodes 3 and 4. Vox is the person the sinners WANT to trust, they've been conditioned to trust him more than anyone else. He's clearly good enough to spin anything around and it's not even hard. "Pentious was redeemed, see?" *shows Pentious in Heaven* "Well would you look at that, all you have to do to be redeemed is die for the Princess! How bout it folks? How many of you are ready to die for this sheltered, airheaded bimbo who thinks you're all trash that need to change everything about yourselves?" Vox successfully maneuvered his way into a No-Lose situation because ANY response gives him what he wants. Kill him? He's a martyr. Attack him? He's proven right. Show Pentious? Just ask them how it happened, the angels will honestly answer "IDK we didn't think it was possible" and he spins it as a one-off favor for Lucifer's daughter. The only way to stop this rally from working in Vox's favor would be to never let him have it in the first place.

Hellguin

Oh look, we found Vox!

kaizerlith

Unfortunately I think the angels, and Emily in particular are not great when it comes to empathizing with pain or rage. I doubt Emily had ever been really upset before learning about the exterminations and has no clue how to apologize or work toward fixing something like that, hence the gift baskets. Or what someone might want from the person or people who upset them.

Kalinka

vox ruined lucys song, now i dislike him more

Reyo Abyssblood

charlie is the daughter of the king of pride so it makes sense she is prideful herself

bc@t

Is it crazy to say I think Vox is a way better main antagonist than Adam was? Don't get me wrong I loved Adam, but Vox went from comedy relief to such a dominating presence. all because he's charismatic, such an effective manipulator, smart, ruthless, and is highly ambitious. Even if Lucifer could have smite him, he'd have just been a martyr, having already gotten into the head of the populace. I don't know how the creators are going to top Vox.

Leticia

I like hearing Alicia's opinions because they are similar to mine, just a lot more sympathetic towards the show's writers, meanwhile, I'm freaking out about the writing decisions and so angry that I'm ready to fight GOD. So thanks Alicia for being more positive about it, I needed that lol

BakaSama

I really feel that using Redemption as a means to win over Sinners at this point would fail. Vox has gassed up the Sinners and has sold them on the idea that the solution to all their problems is to just tear down Heaven and make it their own. Trying to fight Vox with nothing but good intentions and words without hard physical evidence is a fool’s errand. It’s going to take action, getting dirty and perhaps a certain radio demon sowing discontent from the inside to bring Vox down.

Eric

I mean, redemption doesn't mean shit for demons like Vox or the ones that support him. They like to be evil, he would go like "oh, so you want us to CHANGE in order to fit your canon? And what if we don't huh? You'll exterminate the ones that don't comply too?." and that would be all.... You can't even be mad at him, he's just too god on what he does. But, there's one better: Alastor. He's the one that will make him fall, and only using his words as he can't use anything else right now XD

Seraphem

Bringing up Ser Pentious wouldn't have done anything, Vox has been already setting up his spin for making that not matter since he learned of it, with "Oh sure, you could get to heaven the Princess' way. By totally changing who you are and obeying their restrictive, arbitrary rules!" There's really no good way of dealing with Vox at this point other then to let him spiral out of control and get so cocky that he over steps and shows how little he actually gives a fuck for anyone but himself.

Tyler bandin

I'm disappointed she didn't mention the gifts that Satan, leviathan, Ozzie, Belfogore,bee, and Mammon sent Lucifer. They held on the gifts heavily

DrOverbuild8363

Lucifers part at the beginning of Vox Populi was so good, I just wish it was longer and its own song. Still feel like Vox could be the one to be accidentally redeemed. The other Vee's are clearly either going to abandon or betray him, and actually...... he might have a better idea as to how one can be redeemed and might be saving it as a possible escape plan in case things get way too dicey..... maybe. I don't know, I thought it might be a cool fun plot twist, but at this point I don't really want him to be redeemed.

Eliteguard99

I honestly don't think anything or anyone (even Vaggie) would have convinced the crowd at the rally Alicia, Vox had the crowd eating HATE out of the palm of his hand. Plus the crowd isn't interested in getting into Heaven, the place that has been killing their family and friends in the past 7 years., so saying Pentious got into Heaven wouldn't sway them.

Joshua Sheppard

I really feel like the characters are being stupid for the sake of the plot this season

Professor Harmless

Seriously wondering why it doesn't occur to Lu that he might not be able to use a stick, but he owns all the carrots.

Miklar Sihn

Well, they are interested in getting into heaven. They just want to do it without any big changes in personality and by using copious amounts of violence.

Bloodredtyrant

This was a hard watch. The good guys are holding onto the idiot ball way too tightly and it's frustrating. Remember in season 1 when the good guys were smart enough to immediately believe Angel Dust over Sir Pentious in his debut episode? That was great. That gave me hope that the writers wouldn't rely on contrived idiocy to make the villains threatening.

Bobby Tadd

Yh I agree vox is such a good antagonist. No way they can top him. His character has improved so much from last season

Leticia

Still it's disappointing that they didn't even try to argue about that

Skerm

It is really frustrating to see Charlie's actions but at the same time, it makes complete sense. After all she is the Daughter of Pride. And as such, she carries herself with that pride in front of most things, even when it mixes with her insecurities.

BartonBelladonna

well, also that and that fact that she still hasn't processed Pentious sacrifice, stressed out about the Overlords and their looming threat, and also our angel buddy suddenly rushing in and saying that the redemption worked and IS possible, and she was probably half high on the vindication that she was right, and half high on the adrenaline of trying to go forward with her redemption plans 200% after knowing it IS possible. that's the one thing so many people misinterpret as bad writing and I find it stupid.

Toa of Z

What's really interesting to me about Vox in these episodes in particular is how Alister is able to convince him that his greatest strength is a weakness. It feels weird to say about a villain like him, but when he beat Alister last episode it was with the anime protagonist's "power of friendship". The Vees have something almost wholesome going on up until this point, despite their numbers equal to Alister's squad, Alister's are just minions following orders compared to the Vees who each took initiative and had each other's backs. Yeah, Vox has his ego and megalomania, but back in episode 1 of this season, the Vees were able to reign him in when they got the better of him. It makes me think about the interaction between him and Charlie, where he asks if even he could be redeemed - I feel like, if he was able to invest in the friendships with the other Vees and heal the wound of having his friendship rejected by Alister, he could turn himself around and become a better person. It's kind of disappointing seeing Alister undoing all that progress, ruining Vox's best shot at redemption by playing on Vox's deadliest sin. And yeah, the stuff we find out next episode about Vox and Angel makes it hard to want him to be redeemed, or see him as redeemable. But mind you, this isn't exactly any more heinous than the genocide that Sera was doing. And I believe I already stated in a previous comment section how I don't think redemption is a transactional "save enough puppies to make up for being a serial killer" thing. Most sins or crimes arent things you can repair or repay, the best anyone can do is acknowledge that what they did was wrong and decide that they can, and will, be better going forward. Most of the people in hell, at least in this show, are there because they don't think they deserve to be in heaven.

Spirited Symphony

Vaggie victim blaming Charlie and Alicia agreeing to it was kinda crazy ngl 🫩💔

Cooper Quartz

Man, they really did Lucifer dirty. Coolest character got completely nerfed, didn't even get to finish his song (which would've been the best song of the season, if not the show itself)

King of flames

Lucifer can't hurt sinners, but he can clearly destroy property! He should have went for the V's tower. They can't do shit if they're out on the street!

Speed1247

Charlie being unable to accept criticism isn't that surprising. A lot of people who are set in their ways for better or worse can become trapped in the mindset that criticism equals an attack or disagreement with the goal. Some can become so hyper focused on their beliefs that they can't even acknowledge what's actually being said and instead manipulate it into what they think is being said. (Such as what happened here with Charlie)

Speed1247

That wasn't victim blaming that was legitimate criticism, done in perhaps the wrong way. Charlie is a victim yes, but sometimes it's important to call out someone who is putting themselves in the very position to be hurt. Charlie has done that multiple times at this point and vaggie was legitimately trying to help her, but Charlie is not in the mental place to accept such criticisms right now. Unfortunately this is a case where there isn't outright a truly wrong person as everyone in the situation had good intentions.

PWAW

I can't be the only one thinking maybe they should give Lute 5 minutes with Vox lol

Rose and Elly

Everyone is talking about Charlie's reasons, but I've got one. ADHD. My beautiful, creative, intelligent wife has ADHD, and when she gets hyperfocused on something, she acts exactly like how Charlie does this season - a combination of stubborn determination and twitchy anxiety. Also the irrational to us but purely logical to her lashing out at those who don't follow her plan. And I end up playing Vaggi, trying to calm her down, get her to look at other options, to see that the first solution that she thought of and focused on may not be the only one or the best one. Now, there are a lot of different variants of ADHD, so not everyone is going to have this experience, but I feel like one of the writers knows someone with the same variety as my wife and modeled Charlie's actions on that.