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Steven Universe S5 19+20 (Patreon)

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Iain McDonald

The only thing I dislike about the Rose is Pink Diamond twist is how the story starts to treat her a bit too much thats she's wrong. I'm sorry, there are certain things you get a pass for, and literally saving the earth and every living thing on it gets you a pass for way more than the show gives her :P

Mikal Adkins

I really love that we can see some of Steven's personality in Rose.

Fejk Namn

I love Amethyst's growth showing in this episode.

Knoh One

I've come around to agree with the people I've seen say Rose has great character progression, we just see it in reverse. We start with her as stevens mom, the hero. And we get to this season and see where she started from

Darc Hart94

I dont really like how much garnet falls apart because she found out rose was pink. Like suddenly the person she knew rose as no longer matters and that apparently her own self as a fusion is a bad thing because a "diamond" told her she's beautiful and amazing

Shadowsofpain

But her rebellion also caused the death/shatterings of a lot of gems both homeworld and part of her crystal gems and it was all LARP in the original definition of the word, enough that the shards put together could make the cluster and afterwards indirectly caused the corrupted gems by faking her shattering. I think the show hits her with the right amount of wrongness.

Darc Hart94

Its crazy how much the show continues to say how bad rose/pink is. Honestly I'd say the only truly bad thing she did was in the movie and sadly she couldn't fix what she did without the warps but I'll get into that more when Alicia gets to the movie to avoid spoilers

DaniDeFig

Amethyst is, and remains, the best~

Darc Hart94

"I know mom did all this stuff to protect the earth and try to save our friends but she lied! How could she?" I hate when people get more mad about lies than anything else.

Mickash

Eh Idk, the shit she did was still pretty bad even if the ends justify the means. She may have "saved the world" (even though she really just passed the buck to Steven on that front), but she also led countless gems to their deaths while lying about her identity and motivations. I mean she literally trapped Bismuth in a bubble for thousands of years and didn't tell any of her friends what happened to her. She's morally complicated at best, and that's how the show paints her.

Tiarnán Hart

She was a diamond who played pretend as a quartz, started a war that caused an unknown number of gems to be shattered, all suriviors to be corrupted, led to the cluster and other experiments, etc. While never letting anyone know, not thinking about the future beyond the immediate "save the planet". Even still thousands of years later her closest friends don't know who she really is. They see her as someone who was able to rise above their station and purpose rather than stepping down. She then gave herself up to make Steven, without anyone knowing what might happen, without much apparent care about it either. If the Crystal Gems (aside Pearl ofc) knew Steven was a diamond, they might have been able to take better care of him rather than assuming he's a basic quartz.

Speed1247

It wasn't larp though, yes she was faking things, but her intentions were always real, they changed over time but those changes only further justified her position. Her truest failings are not telling others and not finding a better solution then the rebellion.

Darc Hart94

How do you tell your closest friends that one of your best friends just tried to kill you because you didn't want people to die?

Isiah Erceg

I don't have a problem with it. Sapphire said it plain as day. She ended up being a hypocrite

Isiah Erceg

That's the reason why I like rose/pink diamond and also don't like her

Mister Taffy

The way I look at it, she was a spoiled brat who was seen as a goddess with all the answers. In truth, she was a being who wanted to do her own thing as well as doing what was right. She made mistakes and caused problems, but not intentionally, but that doesn't excuse her of those mistakes. I feel like in the beginning of the show we were lead to believe she was this all knowing savior who did no wrong, and towards the end of the show, we see she was a clueless person who just wanted to do the right thing while also living her life. Her actions had an impact, and that impact caused issues for a lot of people. She's no longer around to defend or explain her actions, leaving those who knew her to wonder who exactly she was as a person, and dealing with the aftermath of what happened.

Sam Marsh

To this day I still can’t believe that… A) Amethyst would wind up becoming the most emotionally mature gem. B) Sapphire was actually right about the whole cowboy thing.

BizarroPhoenix

People end up blaming Rose for way more stuff than reasonable and the show does very little to give her the benefit of the doubt from this point on. It was the Diamonds that used the corrupting Gem beam. It was the Diamonds that wouldn't let Earth be free no matter how much she pleaded as Pink or fought and sabotaged as Rose, forcing her to try something rash. And she had no way of knowing she'd be leaving Steven with a huge mess after 6000 years of the Diamonds staying quiet and leaving them alone. For all her flaws and mistakes, a lot of her choices were her making the best of impossible situations.

Boomstick715

Come for the reactions to content and stay for learning things with the Queen 🫡🥰

Nota-Kun Inc.

It’s more of the fact if she lied about something that big than what else was she lying about type of situation

Mickey

To me, she comes off as a very selfish and entitled character that doesn't take into consideration how her actions affect others. Whether it's the humans in the zoo, the Rose Quartzes, Pearl, or even Steven. She just does whatever she wants and everyone else pays the price. Even saving the Earth felt like it was ultimately a selfish act.

BizarroPhoenix

"Our relationship is based on a lie" I always kinda felt like this moment was a little forced? I mean Rose didn't get Sapphire and Ruby together, she just advised they trust their already existent feelings which was perfectly acceptable in context. Sapphire knows how Garnet formed, this isn't anything new. I get Sapphire was upset, but it felt like she was waaaay too quick to throw away 6000 years of memories and love. Idk I chalk it up to episode run time.

TrueWarriorJak

That was always my take on it in that we're seeing her character growth in reverse. But yeah even with that I feel the show is being too harsh on her action given she was always just someone trying her best to do the right thing once she got to earth. Though I think its entirely valid for the people who loved her to crash out about her choices. My only nitpick is that I wish we got an extra season show us that yeah Steven finally accepts that.

Nota-Kun Inc.

This episode will always put in perspective for me how many gems just basically dump their trauma on Steven and because Steven will always want to help everyone he’ll go above and beyond for them putting his own emotions aside. Which is crazy for a 14 year old

BlastYoBoots

When you learn Rose Quartz is LITERALLY AN OC PEARL IMAGINED for Pink right down to the curly hair!

Icy

As Pink though she did a lot of bad things she was a bad person but she did do better later in her life but not she doesn't get a pass for the bad she did she did try to make up for it though

Ranginald Vagel

Oh hey, Alicia made me realize there was a Gurren Lagann reference there

Faroth

this sets up a very important lore: a Gem cant dissobey, even if want it, to a Diemond's order as long as they remain loyal to that Diamond Pearl was still loyal to Pink while Pink was Rose, so the order was still on effect on her and she cant physically dissobey her but she found a loophole to told steven,s he didnt "speak" of that, so she "show him" the truth we see this later with Garnet too, she didnt question herselves because Rose said it, it was "an order", then, the moment they realized that Rose was Pink, they stopped being loyal to Rose and the order was broken This piece of lore is very important because it means that as a long as a gem is loyal to their diamond, they will keep the orders they command on them

Darc Hart94

She never gave them a reason not to trust her and they all knew she had secrets and regrets

Faroth

is also that Diamonds have a "power" over gems, as long as a gem is "loyal" to a diamond, any order they command on that gem is 100% done, the gems cant deny or physically break that command, thats why pearl couldnt physically tell steven about it, so the moment rose told garnet "dont question yourself about fusion", garnet now feels betrayed, like, rose COMMAND it to be like that, and if she remained loyal to rose, how many other stuff was an order? she could command a lot of stiff to others and they would do it because they were loyal, even if they didnt agree with the order as long as they see her as their leader, jsut like the other diamonds, the chain of commands remained, so of course they see it as a betrayal because they "order her to not question herself" so they physically couldnt until now, is not that it was a bad thing, is that she never gave them the chance to question themselves the fusion, and look at the end, they end up together, but Rose didnt gave them the chance

Bruvlodski

Damn, I thought Alicia would see pearl crying with sapphire as "oh shit sapphire saying "what am I going to do without her" made pearl remember how she felt about rose and that's why pearl started crying", but "MY SHIP" is funny too

Adam

Never states that, just that Rose was NEVER the perfect person everyone assumed her to be.

Jordan Barnes

So I was stoned out of my mind when I watched this episode the first time and when Sapphire called Ruby stupid I broke down sobbing, saying, “How can they come back from this?” and my friend looked at me like I was a fucking idiot 😂

Jordan Barnes

“Why would she be a cowboy?!” lives rent-free in my head, major vocal stim for me lol.

John

When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty. She tried diplomacy, she tried using her status, she tried all the things you're supposed to try first before violent revolution. She didn't start the war, the Oppressors (the diamonds) did, she just stood up for earthlings and then gems. Crafting a narrative of a Commoner who rose above their station as a complete lie is a valid criticism, but it was also necessary to avoid it coming off like a schism of royals, and to empower the gems to feel like their own agents. less egregious given that it's actually how she wanted to live going forward. not telling the other Crystal Gems or Greg, especially afterwards, was still selfish and dishonest. but also, very understandable especially because she didn't want to be seen as A Diamond, but an equal. and tactically, if that got out, it would be bad. it's a tough and messy decision, and one that can't be taken back once revealed. and to her credit, she explicitly avoided shattering anyone where possible. she had Bismuth craft her sword to not shatter. when Bismuth got shatterhappy, she bubbled her. even in her facade, she was trying to make sure people didn't get hurt. She tried to scare the other Diamonds off with a story about one of them being shattered. which they didn't think was possible until then.

Darc Hart94

Except that rose basically gave up that power. Her last order as a diamond was for pearl to never speak about it. And the diamond orders are very flaky. Because diamonds could have easily just given orders and gems have no choice but to follow. And clearly gems are capable of thoughts outside of being told what to do. Saying that rose ordered garnet to never question her own love is just dumb.

xman t

I don't actually think rose/pink was romantically in love with pearl. After all, she basically told greg she didn't know how to tell if she was in love. (Granted, his question specifically was "have you ever been in love with a human?" but her answer was "how would i know?")

xman t

To be fair, some people already didnt feel to great in regards to rose due to her leaving so many big problems for steven. And i will never forgive what was revealed in the movie But as steven put it "i can see how she was good, and bad, and bad and good"

Coryn Silver

No no no, Rose was the one that convinced Garnet that it was ok to exist as Garnet. Ruby and Sapphire were questioning and second guessing everything. If they didn’t meet Rose, they wouldn’t be the couple that they are, or if so, they’d be a very different Garnet

xman t

I swear amethyst has the best character development imo. She has matured *so much* over the course of the series and she has consistently had such a strong bond with Steven. Id argue she's the gem steven is truly closest to

Darc Hart94

Rose/pink is the embodiment of how life truly is. It is imperfect and messy, you will always make mistakes but you can still find joy in beauty from the good that happens. She tried everything to be the perfect diamond and tried to be mature and commanding, even abandoning things she had found childish and happy, but earth showed who she really is deep down. She tried everything she could to save earth but eventually only had one option left. Then bismuth gave her the final idea and it had consequences she could never have predicted. Imagine the guilt she had for hundreds of years seeing everyone who suffered because she wanted them all to have a better life.

Vivica the witch

I wish I wouldnt cry in front of other people. I was breaking down at my desk at work, and my supervisor saw me crying, it was super embarrassing.

KallaTheWatcher

I agree it. Its some nasty work to me personally.

M K7001

tbh I don't know how deep her feelings might have been for pearl or if they were truly romantic aside from a "fling" and or just emotional sense but her answer to that question doesn't really mean she wasn't in love either hence the "how would I know." That being said she clearly had a different relationship (for lack of a better word) with pearl than with greg if only based on her saying she loved other humans but I guess that depends on what she meant by that and what she considers a relationship. All that to say I don't think Rose was in love with either of them personally. And I don't mean that as a slight to her I just don't interpret her as having that kind of specific love for others. I do think she loved both of them though.

Nick

yeah Greg didn't just fuck a rock. he broke a diamond with his D

Kalinka

i always forget how little alicias chibi model is wearing... nice

Mike

I think in Steven's case, It's Amethyst finally coming to terms with the fact that he's a child. He shouldn't have to bear adult burdens. She's ending the cycle of asking him to guide them when he's not at that stage yet. They should be guiding and comforting *him*, not the other way around.

Johnny Knox

"We're taking live, and leaving nothing behind." That's a fucking bar, son.

Johnny Knox

I think it is right of amethyst for not pump her troubles on a literal child. Good on her.

Bluestar

Like yeah, leaning on your family to help process stuff is real but also steven is a young teenager. Amethyst is right in calling out how every gem in his life just dumps their trauma on him over the course of the show. We've already seen from his return to home world that he's developed a fucked up pariah complex. While its a good trait to reach out and help people, I think the show has made it pretty clear that Steven has internalized this role to an unhealthy degree.

Sydney Horton

Just Amethyst casually solidifying herself as my favorite gem with the most development. No biggie

Alp

god i love Amethyst so much. she's RIGHT at the beginning of What's Your Problem. she's not a babysitter, Ruby is like five thousand years old, she and Steven aren't responsible for moderating her feelings. she could've been a bit more attentive but meh. Steven especially is a CHILD. it really shouldn't be his responsibility to keep his family together.

A.M Seymour

Also with the hindsight of futre holy connoli

Corrupt_Crimson

If you had future vision you would be right about that too 🤣🤣

Buraku Sama

Well technically, the only reason the met in the first place was because of the rebellion because blue diamond needed a sapphire to tell her the future. The rebellion that ROSE/Pink diamond started. Sooooooooo in a sense, yeah. Their relationship is based on a whole lie

DoctorGeagle

30:16 I disagree. Steven is a child, one that's already developed a very unhealthy codependent mentality. Amethyst recognizes that, at least in part, and refuses to let him neglect himself even more to try and help her. She's acting like an adult.

Adrian

Exactly! Steven is still only a kid, he shouldn't be the therapist of the family, the one having to fix everything, and I love that Amethyst realized that they've been dumping all their baggage on him and decided no more.

Jackie

Except for the fact that other Rose Quarts exists...

Jackie

It's really funny because according to Rose gem don't change, or at least don't know that they can. But we can see even she changes, Pink was impulsive and immature like season 1 Steven, while Rose is loving and compassionate like current Steven.

BlastYoBoots

Theoretically, Pink could have commissioned the Rose Quartz line to serve as cover for her alter-ego after it was made? That, or they already existed and Pearl *really* liked the look of Rose Quartzes...

Michael Mangskau

Call Greg a jewel thief the way he bags these diamonds

Porpoise Power

I love the little detail of, Ruby not being able to finish Sapphire's name on one line. It's so relatable.

TSP247

amethyst is the best wing-man.

KYHAHN

It's not that people think she's wrong but that her reasoning was slightly flawed. Her plan to fake her own shattering was predicated on the belief that the Diamonds would just leave the Earth alone if she was gone, but she didn't account for the possibility that not only would they be overcome with grief want to lash out but that they'd consider Earth so dangerous afterwards that they'd use the cluster to destroy it. Bismuth even highlights this later when she says "I really thought all our problems would disappear if we could shatter a diamond, I guess she (Rose) took my advice" while looking at all the bubbled corrupted gems

noneyabiss

Honestly, the "why would she be a cowboy" bit makes me chuckle from time to time as it pops into mind.