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Opt-Out Attack (Patreon)

Published:
2025-12-28 22:04:32
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2026-06

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I wanted to make a longer video about this, but my attorneys don't think releasing a big video that is in a gray area with the FAA is a good idea. 🫠So bookmark that, but in the meantime, here's a quick and very limited rundown.

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Brandon Aaskov

Did you muck with the video stream via ARP (presumably with scapy or similar)?

boatbomber

Next they'll make reflective jackets illegal for making it harder to photograph you 😔

Franck Martin

Nice one. What would also be cool is a DIY sonic array locator…to locate drones. I just saw cameras with 64 microphones that locate sound sources.

Dr Qua

this is hot

Steve

I flip off every Flock camera I see and have wished for a forceful and non-destructive enforcement of my rights and freedom.

Amelia Lewis

Thanks, Benn! By demonstrating that it's possible, you've made it possible for others to replicate. At least until some legislator tries to pass a law making interference with state surveillance devices a crime (which I would've thought would be the kiss of death for a political career, at one time, but hey, we've all been young and naive).

Thunda Struk

Hold on, lets start with sunglasses...

Tokkan FX

If only there was an orphaned github account with some instructions and code....

Moz in Oz

An easier target might be the headwear with IR emitters on it that's available in various places. Retroreflectivity only really helps you at night, a couple of watts average of IR helps everywhere (obviously you strobe them for best effect)

Moz in Oz

I think the FCC will very not approve. Without a license you're allowed less than a watt and only in specified bands, but also "not to harass, interfere or annoy". Either way this is noncompliant (the fact that it's specifically designed to be the other kind of noncompliant does not help)

Peter Gravelle

Exactly, Part 15 is out the window when you're jamming

Theodore Omtzigt

This is tricky: if you can't open-source the implementation and instead can only hint at the solution, then only well-resourced organizations will be able to act on the information. Those are precisely the organizations that tend to have a stake in mass surveillance, so the potential solution to increase citizen privacy is going to be circumvented before it can reach mass market. And indeed it is going to be very difficult to apply this technology in a legal way when all the different use cased from police, ICE, military, media is using the same technology path as the use cases for fire, search & rescue, recovery, discovery, etc. As a citizen, you have no idea who is trying to surveil you, and whether it is for your benefit or detriment.

Ozlem Polat

I have been dreaming about something like this for so long. I cannot believe Benn just dropped the proof of concept. Thank you for all you do to protect our freedom.

Jake D

Or, perhaps a repo hosted by a Canadian or a citizen of other country not yet invested in this type of technology?

Jim Crandall

Interesting concept. I'll be interested to hear were this goes...

C

My wife said they have a record of my pointing at every single one I pass lol

Gabor Kukucska

OMG I love this, I have been constantly thinking about drone defence since I had my first dji 😅 thry're just too good to feel safe in the same universe they exist 😃 I hope that there are people with required skills to build such devices to protect their people in ANY war zone 🙏

Fynn

Another reason why i'm happy to live in germany. You're only allowed to transmit 25mW at 5,8ghz in the EU instead of 1W in the US. (Data from ChatGPT)

Gabor Kukucska

The opt-out is briliant as it is still safe to use. On a related note, effective personal protection against drones or any other potentially harmful robotics will also pretty fast become a necessity so I hope these devices will get legislated and allowed with caviats or safety before it is too late!

StoryGirlOz

One wonders if it might be possible to simply trigger the return to base response. Probably easy enough to do with commercial drones using the same chipset. Probably harder with bespoke/hardened drones built for security forces. Also - have you been playing Watch Dogs recently? ;)

adfaklsdjf

okay, what am i bookmarking?

adfaklsdjf

@Cory does your wife have a source for that information or is she just guessing?

Carl Schweppe

That’s sick tech. Raytheon had some similar platforms. what’s the range? The samples in the video are wayyyyy inside the pitbul or is dead stick and relying on the payload splash.

adfaklsdjf

It sounds like that's the big question and we've been given all the explicit information we're going to get at this point, in this medium... but yes, thank you :)

Connor Dean

i think he was using those words to mean a more general, "we'll come back to that," rather than as a directive or call to action or some sort. Like how someone might say, "let's put a pin in that one," and then not violently jab pins into it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ unless that person is a sadist, i guess... lol.,

Benn Jordan

If there's a legitimate need for this in the North America or Europe, I certainly will. As of right now the inner workings are kept confidential as it may be implemented in larger UAV defense systems in Ukraine.

Benn Jordan

Definitely one of those gray areas as technically, if you believe you are in danger or being harassed by a drone, you have the right to jam/spoof/shoot it. Loosely following FCC/FAA rules, "in danger" means within 50m overhead a nonconsenting person(s) or public gathering, which is beyond the range of the model in the video. I'd still not do it unless it was required for safety, but there are similar commercial products/services that legally do spoofing using this gray area.

Benn Jordan

I have a few of those! One that I made with 16, and one commercial one I was sent over. In my experiences they work great for like, finding a leak or a bird in a tree, but the speed of sound is way too slow to accurately track a moving drone, unfortunately.

Benn Jordan

I can't go too into details, but I didn't have to decode the video stream to muck it. This should black out encrypted data as well.

Benn Jordan

You can definitely send a RTH command with spoofing. It is also probably more illegal than this (at time of writing).

DarkSkyGhost

Currently in Ukraine, unfortunately, drones mostly are no longer operated with radio but with optical wire :/

StoryGirlOz

How am I unsurprised that you are able to provide a "Yeah - that's a thing" response?! :D

Franck Martin

Thank you for your experience feedback. I thought it could help when there is little visibility, rather than a radar, or to find the source of a shooter. I saw that microphones are installed on some tanks, but I realize that time for sound to propage would be a challenge when you need quick reaction.

Brian Maneely

I wish you could main-channel this one, but solid move keeping it less accessible.

Karamba Spy

What if you had a bumper sticker that only resembles a license plate? Would the AI model attempt to read it? If so, AI poisoning could be used on it. The original license plate would then be legible, but the poisoning would eventually cause the model to stop functioning properly? In such a situation, would a court deem such cameras unreliable and ban their use by law enforcement?

Robert Coli

the exasperated cyberpunk sigh at the end

Jan-Willem Markus

There are anecdotes from truck drivers in the EU that it helps to have a novelty license plate with the name of the truck or your loved ones. Novelty, as in not a real plate, we don't really do vanity plates. I expect this doesn't work as well anymore, but I can be made to believe it worked well on early ANPR systems.

Passenger

Nice prototype. I guess it might have some merit within Kherson region where people are targeted by fpv-type drones. Although they’re highly modified and models vary. I guess in current state it won’t help against “скид” (down throw attack?) but it is only a prototype. Currently, many civilians are using “Чуйка” (chujka) device to locate nearby signals and when it’s close enough you can see a video from drone. It allows you to hide from it or to evade the attack if you in the car.

Justin

Does the device disrupt other recording devices? Phones is the obvious example but I'm mostly curious about the new Ray-Ban Meta sunglasses.

FaeTheWolf

From what I saw, it looks like the jammer can only only operate on RF signal packets, such as those used by drones to stream video to the controller (or GPS timing packets used to triangulate location). It could be used to limit a phone's ability to upload video, but local on-device recording would almost certainly be unimpeded.

FaeTheWolf

This is my first time learning of this. Apparently some drones have had up to 50km of optical fiber 🫣 that is an incredible invention, and must be terribly hard to deal with!

DarkSkyGhost

The only way is physical destruction using kinetic weapons. I've seen photos how the battlefield looks nowadays - the optical wires glimmer in the sun like spider silk on the grass.

Marty Schrader

I wish to retain the 12 gauge option for dealing with intrusive drones. Birdshot is a wonderful means of [cough] "disrupting" antagonistic devices. Nonetheless, more research into targeted electronic signal disruption is always welcome. It is, in fact, cat and mouse. In this case, it's closer to armor and warhead.

Tekrytor

Herewith, the answer to my previous question to Benn about how to stay motivated as a creator in these dystopian times. Create exactly what's needed. Big attaboy at Benn!

John Clark

Legal or not, I want one!

rob burbank

I'm still trying to figure out how to print out that L plate sticker on my own

Morgan vanHumbeck

Golly I just couldn't love you more, Benn!! You are great and I wish you all the best in the world. Thank you!

Caroline

Benn, there might be a new arms race toy for you to play with. Quantum sensors. Supposedly they can prevent GPS spoofing by using INS (inertial navigation systems). I’m not sure what all is involved, but infleqtion has few products. It could be worth looking into. They also have radio tech and time keeping stuff with interesting antenna claims. It’s all too technical for me to understand but yeah.. I am so here for the rebel kick. PLEASE never hesitate to start a gofundme or whatever for any legal fees you incur outside of any insurance or operating expenses from your channel. On that note, I wish more of you cerebrally minded content creators would start funds for academic grants they’re passionate about. You’re my favorite YouTuber to share FYI. We’re in your corner 😊

Forrest Miller

You are literally influencing legislation now. You've entered a very select group of public tech researchers. Congrats and condolences are in order, I think.

L

I know you've said you're looking for legitimate needs/use-cases for these in North America and I'll state one. Let me preface this saying I'm a pilot, and no not a drone "pilot", a private pilot. So with that comes an understanding of the FAA's airspace regulations and rules that goes deeper and is more informed than people who are not. So, right now you can find countless examples of people using consumer drones to harass and film their neighbors from directly over their property. It's usually stories on "legal" advice subreddits asking what can they legally do to a neighbor who is harassing them or taking pictures or video with their drone of backyard activities or even in house activities. Because you don't own airspace over your property, there usually isn't anything you can do that immediately solves this because most tactics involve damaging the drone, which is illegal. It bothers me on such a deep level that it's illegal for someone to just use a shotgun and bird shot and blast some pervert's drone out of the sky (you know, so long as you're birdshot won't come back down and hurt someone). Instead people are forced to file complaints or call local cops, and well, as we know...that is a slow process and not always effective. This tool would allow people to simply scramble the video signal of their asshole neighbor or ne'er-do-well. Simple as that. I don't DIY as well as I used to, so I doubt I'd be able to make one, but it's a great idea and should be disseminated before it's regulated.

Patrick Deuley

My company makes some quantum sensors and can confirm that they can prevent GPS spoofing in various ways. Inertial navigation is one approach, another is using gravity maps!

Patrick Peter

Hey Patrick. First Sweet Name. Also how does one get into making quantum sensors? Are there any resources you'd link to be able to learn about it more accurately than AI or Googling?

William

Sent a message on insta today - I figured you had attorneys but it is good to see confirmation of that.

Jim Ji

Really looking forward to learning more!

Korey Peterson

This is semantics but aren't those both just alternate methods from GPS to use for orientation? As in, these would not prevent GPS spoofing, they simply sidestep the need for GPS.

Grsshppr

Could come in handy against those drones the police send up to scan for all our mobile phone ID's during protests. It could also interfere with friendly drones though, like the ones the protest organizers might want to use to get a head count so they can report it accurately. -- Or just to get a cool shot they can post on social media.

Jim S.

Boy you are like simp of the century aren't you? Ahhheemmmm the pwotesto's might neeed an akurate head count to report. Who the fuck exactly would the protesters need to report an accurate head count to? George Soros? The department of the latest fake gay protest?

Jim Sander

You okay "Jim S"? Need a hug? You seem angry for no reason.

Jimbo

Does it scramble the the actual recorded video, or only the video being sent back to the handset via radio waves? If it is just the video back to the handset, the video on the SD card on the drone could still be used to annoy and harass :( Oh, and I too am bothered on a deep level that I can't remove a problematic drone over my property.

Jimbo

My first thought was the art of kite fighting, tying knives to your kite to cut the string of an opponent. It would never work... sadly.

Andrew Seubert

seems like I should be able to do some of this with my HackRF - any advice where to start?

Ollie

So funny I was literally think about looking in this sort of targeted anti-drone defense. I was thinking about RF jamming but I think this is also a legal no-no :)

john

Oh how I would love to make one of these devices. There's someone in my neighborhood I sincerely hope it's a child and not a creepy old dude who flies his drone around looking at windows and hovers over my backyard sometimes. He generally leaves when I pull out my cell phone and make it look like I'm calling someone about him. Please basically told me there's nothing they can do unless I can point them to a house. They said call the FAA who's not going to do anything. I wish you could make this open source