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S6, E8 - Maddie Is Back! | Barre Tab (Patreon)

Published:
2026-11-05 02:03:52
Imported:
2026-11

Poll

S6, E8 - Maddie Is Back! | Barre Tab

  • Yes, it's obvious that she's envious that Maddie is outgrowing the studio and show. 225
  • No, Abby was just taking everything going on in her life out on Maddie, I don't think it had anything to do with her being jealous. 9
  • 2026-11-05
  • 234 votes
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Content

Do you think Abby was jealous of Maddie's growing success despite being her student?

Comments

Theresa Kelly

I 100% think Abby was jealous of Maddie at this point. Maddie is famous at this point because of Sia, not because of Abby. Abby can’t take credit for her success right now and that’s all Abby wants

Allison Davies

When Maddie came back to do the rest of season 6 I felt like she was like why am I here after doing the book of Henry

HollyJolly

Anyone who thinks otherwise is literally just an Abby fan or Abby herself 🙄

Emily Sullivan

they put so much focus on maddie for YEARS, it was basically a gross codependent relationship by this point. of course she’s pissed that her favorite now is outgrowing her and doesn’t need her anymore. she’s crazy like that. it’s like how she felt when brooke went for cheerleading (even though that was productions doing)

Abi

there’s no way that Abby wasn’t jealous of Maddie. I remember when Ashlee said “Abby thought that as Maddie rose to fame, she was gonna go with her.” and I 100% agree with that

Elinor Finkelstein

What I find confusing is why Abby was so proud of Maddie’s success in Seasons 4 and 5, but all of a sudden, in Season 6, she would be jealous. She must’ve gotten some kind of tip regarding the Zieglers thinking about leaving Dance Moms, meaning that Maddie’s success would no longer be connected to Abby or the ALDC.

Blue Jai

I think it was the Brooke Effect. She probably understood Maddie having so much time away from the studio and the show’s toxicity meant she was growing disillusioned with the shit they were all put through. So, Abby finds a new girl (Brynn and Kalani) to imprint on and favor over the others. And she starts pulling away from the Zieglers since she’s a shitstain that can only be decent to so many kids at once for some reason.

OnTheCouchEatingChips

I’m 50/50 on this. I don’t necessarily think Abby was jealous of Maddie’s success at this point but more so worried by it. She was most likely starting to see the writing on the wall that Maddie would outgrow Dance Moms soon. I’d guess she was stressed with her personal life and wishing Maddie was around more but probably didn’t get really jealous (like she is now) until she realized Maddie and Melissa were not going to give her any credit.

Compmom80

I personally don’t think it’s either. I think that Abby sees the writing on the wall with Melissa & whatever happened with the immunity deal. Abby KNOWS Melissa was involved with the money shenanigans. Like how the fuck are you involved & not getting in any trouble? Abby isn’t dumb like that. She had to of known or suspected Melissa was talking. Abby IS dumb for involving Melissa though. She’d be the last person I’d ever involve in illegal activity.

Ellie Ambage

I honestly think it’s kinda both. Abby was absolutely jealous of the fact that Maddie was more famous than her and was so without Abby’s help or her being her manager (bc Abby was not her manager and Maddie was rising to fame with the help of other people/on her own talent) and I honestly do believe that Abby was starting to turn on Maddie and that’s why we refer it to the Brooke effect, Maddie was growing up and was better without Abby and Abby didn’t like that. I wholeheartedly believe that if the Ziegler’s didn’t end up leaving, it would have been a history repeating itself moment but with Maddie and kenz in place of Brooke and Paige x

Elle

Abby knew that Maddie and Melissa found another “surrogate mother” for Maddie in Sia and didn’t need her anymore She says at one point “I always thought it would be ME getting famous and bringing you (Melissa and the girls) along with ME She felt the winds changing direction

I don’t have a problem area, I’m a problem

1000000% Abby thought Maddie would take her with her on her way up. Once they started working with more people in the industry and Abby got herself into legal trouble, the Zieglers didn't need Abby and she once again thought "she's screwing me, I can feel it!"

MISS AURA (edited)

Comment edits

2026-11-06 01:00 For sure, not even a question I think she was jealous of Maddie! Abby was so used to having this ego that she believed that was the center of dance moms & that she thought the show revolved around her being the centerpiece(as I disagree). But, as u remember it was always Jeff Collin’s on the reunions quoting her “the star of the show(saying this as I puke😂🤮) But, later in S4 Maddie started being angled as the most famous child, she was brought out the reunion to talk about her success & lastly she was then the one being asked to go on talk shows, no longer Abby! Just crazy, just like Holly said, for yrs she became what she accused u moms of being. JEALOUS!!!! To me imo I always thought Abby was jealous of Chloe, but to even be jealous of ur favorite as a woman in her 50’s is mad wild. 🤣
2026-11-05 02:19 Not even a question I think she was jealous of Maddie! Abby had this ego that she believed that she was the center of the show as she thought it revolved around her(as I disagree). But, as u remember it was always Jeff Collin’s on the reunions quoting her “the star of the show(saying this as I puke😂🤮) But, later in S4 Maddie started being angled as the most famous child, she was brought out on the reunion to talk about her success & lastly she was then the one being asked to go on talk shows, no longer Abby! Instead she was on the news for negative stuff. Plus, all the professionals Maddie worked with didn’t want Abby around. Ex: Sia & those Seventeen Magazine guys who came couple episodes back. She got no shine. Ironic because like Holly said, for yrs she became what she accused all of you guys of being. JEALOUS! To me imo I always thought Abby was jealous of Chloe because we liked her, but to even end up being jealous of ur favorite as a teacher in her 50’s is wild. Especially since, for yrs you’ve shoved her down our throats & even quoted saying to Christi in S1, “why wouldn’t u want to be like Maddie, I want to be like Maddie.” So ironic yes later, she did want to be Maddie.🤣😭🫣

Not even a question I think she was jealous of Maddie! Abby had this ego that she believed that she was the center of the show as she thought it revolved around her(as I disagree). But, as u remember it was always Jeff Collin’s on the reunions quoting her “the star of the show(saying this as I puke😂🤮) But, later in S4 Maddie started being angled as the most famous child, she was brought out on the reunion to talk about her success & lastly she was then the one being asked to go on talk shows, no longer Abby! Instead she was on the news for negative stuff. Plus, all the professionals Maddie worked with didn’t want Abby around. Ex: Sia & those Seventeen Magazine guys who came couple episodes back. She got no shine. Ironic because like Holly said, for yrs she became what she accused all of you guys of being. JEALOUS! To me imo I always thought Abby was jealous of Chloe because we liked her, but to even end up being jealous of ur favorite as a teacher in her 50’s is wild. Especially since, for yrs you’ve shoved her down our throats & even quoted saying to Christi in S1, “why wouldn’t u want to be like Maddie, I want to be like Maddie.” So ironic yes later, she did want to be Maddie.🤣😭🫣

MissDiscoBush

It's so clear that she envied her because immediately she's like taking her down a few notches which is wild because she wanted her to be successful 😂

Haley Deboe

1000% yes Abby is upset that Maddie doesn’t need her anymore. Maddie is her own celebrity (arguably a bigger celebrity than Abby👀) outside of the show and being a member of ALDC. Yes she’s known for being on dance moms, but I personally before I even watched the show knew Maddie as the girl in the chandelier video and the girl that danced for Sia for years wayyyy before I even knew dance moms existed and Abby could not handle that. She thought Maddie would stay forever or at least until she graduated highschool.

emi

i think she was jealous of maddie from the second she started winning so much and it got worse with every leap of her career, but seeing maddie’s career hit its peak right as the legal issues hit was too much for her. you know how she feels like everyone she’s ever met owes her every penny they’ll ever make, a batch of homemade cookies, and their left kidney, so i’m sure she felt as if maddie and melissa owed it to her to be miserable and scared and pissed about the legal drama right by her side. and she probably felt that melissa should be in trouble too, or at the very least using her resources to help, so seeing that not only was she not in trouble, but she was getting everything she ever wanted for maddie, made her such a monster to them in their last weeks on the team

Ursula

Abby always wanted control which was weird at times. She always wanted the girls to go against their moms or be alone without their moms etc. Melissa let this happen for years and when Abby realized she was sharing this control with others and it wasn’t “Maddie and Abby” it was “Maddie and sia” she went crazy (more than usual) she always thought they would both rise together but Maddie (and the other girls too!) kept growing and Abby did not.

Ursula

Spicy hot take imo Abby was never the star and that was clear asf with her other shows (rescue one and AUDC) the stars, the beauty, the talent, etc were the girls. the fans were interested in the girls! They liked Abby because Abby “made” the girls but I believe they wanted Abby to make them into a great dancer and accept them on the team for the fame and the chance to be with the girls! By season 6 it was clear Abby was going to lose her fans support because she hyped Maddie so much and hated on Nia and Kendall that the show went stale after the Ziegler’s left because as viewers we have been conditioned to think it was a group of “bad/mediocre” dancers without Maddie (and Kenz). That’s obviously not the case since all the girls are incredibly talented and beautiful and perfect in every way. Either way, that was the time she realized she wasn’t the star AT ALL, the girls were…

lyss

Abby definitely knew that Maddie's time at the aldc/on the show was reaching an end before they made it official and was for sure having some resentment towards both Maddie and Mackenzie as well as Melissa. However, I'm not sure if this resentment is stemming from jealousy as she claims to have made 'stars' prior to the show, but I wonder if she thought Dance Moms itself would reach a demise with their departure, which I suppose it sort of did in a way lmao

Katy Smislova

I think Abby hoped that Maddie would be her next Gianna and stay by her side forever and work w her and it’s becoming clear to her at this time that she’s too busy and famous and realizing she doesn’t have to put up with Abby’s antics to get ahead anymore

Kait :)

She was envious from the beginning. Once she saw that the drop diva plan worked. You can see it gradually growing especially when Maddie works with Sia

Jennae Bradshaw

Here’s the thing. Abby for years was fostering this relationship with Maddie because she knew Maddie was amazing and would probably be the most accessible to manipulate due to her upbringing. She knew how to feature and catapult Maddie and Melissa being fame hungry allowed it. As soon as Maddie started to become bigger than the program, that’s when Abby knew she was done for. The only other person that would’ve allowed her to control their daughter for fame was Jill. To me it was clear Abby only saw talent Maddie and watching her not need to rely on her is what made Abby mad.

NicoleWhy

I think the other thing is that she can no longer control Maddie. She has her own experiences that probably really changed her feelings about Abby and the show. I think that’s what drove her towards the minis, they would believe whatever she told them

Jayne

Neither. Jealousy is the wrong word. She was scared. Her life was falling apart. The one thing she had put her trust and investment in…. Was Maddie, believing she had earned and bought her loyalty. But “Maddie’s team” were moving her on to the person they were going to use next. Her time was up. Abby could see it all slipping through her fingers. All of Abby’s entire identity and hope was in Maddie. All of Abby’s behaviour this season and last is fear based. She knew all the dance teachers coming on was production led, to try out her potential “replacement.” Thats why she reacted so badly to them. She was watching her entire investment crash to the ground and she wasn’t going to get a return. She should have put her investment and trust in all the girls shouldn’t she? Then her empire would have been eternal, the audience would have loved her as much as they loved your girls. Melissa would have never been loyal to Abby, or anyone. Her only loyalty was to her vision for her daughter. I don’t understand how Abby didn’t discern that from the beginning. She got played big time. It’s sad. Deserved but sad.

katierockwis

I feel like this is a really hard one because I think that it’s a mixture of different things. As you said there was some issues BTS with Melissa and Abby and I think Abby knew that Maddie and Mackenzie were always going to side with Melissa (OBVIOUSLY). And Abbey lashes out because she’s got the emotional regulation of a four year old. I also think she was jealous because Sia and Maddie were linked together in the media, not Maddie and Abby, or Maddie, Sia and Abby. All Abby ever wanted was fame and money. I think she was scared of loosing Maddie but also jealous of her too.

Kelly’s screenshots!

I think she was envious of Melissa. Abby lived her life through Maddie and wanted to be with Maddie on every job she went to. She even admitted she should have been on the Ellen show with her. I think she was realizing that Melissa was using her all these years to get her kids ahead.

jadeteass

I actually don’t think she was jealous of Maddie’s success (at this time) I genuinely think she was either tipped off or figuring out that they were leaving the show or gearing up to leave and was becoming increasingly bitter. I guess bitter and jealousy can go hand in hand but I think I’d argue she was more bitter & resentful than jealous at this point

regan

All of abby’s actions still uplifted maddie. Even when they leave the show maddie is still talked about in a very high regard, so I don’t think she was jealous of her. I think she was bitter towards melissa, and took it out on kenzie to get to her.

MS

I think Abby is upset that Melissa betrayed her, I don’t think it has much to do with Maddie. If anything, I think Abby cared more about Brooke and Paige emotionally than she did Maddie.

FortyDollarCow

Abby was jealous she wasn't moving up WITH Maddie. It wasn't so much about Maddie being famous, as it was Abby stuck in the same place.

curdled_ranch

Abby 10,000% credits Maddie to herself. Even today, all she says is shit like “those girls would be nothing without me.” Abby’s god complex doesn’t allow for her to see her students as anything other than HER creations.