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One Serving Choice! Page 644 (Patreon)

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2025-08-11 06:00:16
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Crimsonher025

Stacy is literally most of the comments, also Saiya's feathers are looking pretty sparce since the last page

GorbonRamsey

Gets told her crush/love interest is willing to forgive her, blatantly says nah, I prefer my imaginary friend.

GizMouse

Saiya like actually.....come on. You are passing on the most free lay up rn💀. Aika is literally giving you the chance to do better AGAIN for the millionth time and you pretty much say "nah I'm chill". Obviously that's not the right thing to be doing. Stacy is growing on me tho she's being a W ally to Aika in her time of need lol. I also find it strange that we didn’t see Fani at school at all. I bet on the next page she’ll be at home the moment Saiya gets back—almost like she’s someone only Saiya can see/be around🤔

Morrigan M

Stacy is speaking for the the majority ngl

Crimsonher025

Tbh, I kinda see Saiya's point, she's done nothing but hurt Aika lately

MrMetroid

Honestly... I gotta admit I dunno what "most of the comments" are even doing anymore XD. I mean, I feel like what Saiya's doing here is what many of these same people WANTED before now (i.e., Saiya recognizing she's tended to bring people like Aika more bad luck than good and pulling back) - and now I feel like I'm seeing a number of those same people hate on her for actually owning up to the idea that she mighta fucked up one too many times to make it work. I feel like I'm not sure I know what people want anymore, honestly ^_^;

MrMetroid

I mean... can you honestly look at the impact she's had on Aika's life (and Tessa's) and say Sayia has no reason to wanna give Aika an out? Heck, I kinda thought this was what people wanted, TBH; for Sayia to be the one to think that maybe it's better to just admit it's not working than to keep fucking up someone's life with her lack of self-control ^_^;

Crimsonher025

Honestly same, so I'm just gonna stick with what I think works

GorbonRamsey

Yes, and no. Yes its good she is realizing she fucked up and should try to be a positive but what is doing is escaping/running away from the problem. When the lady who is a jerk in most regards calls you the worst, then that's a big uh oh moment.

GizMouse

Yeah, that much is very true lol. I just feel like, in my mind, it makes more sense to at least try to reconcile while she’s still welcoming you with open arms—rather than just saying “forgive me” and moving on. It kind of feels like avoiding the issue, especially since even Saiya seems unsure about whether she made the right choice.

MrMetroid

Honestly... I've said this before, I know, but I'm not sure you can blame all that on Saiya. Not anymore at least - not when Aika's been pretty clumsy at handling it herself. First with not setting harder boundaries with Saiya, then with that - and I gotta be real here - absolutely thoughtless move of kissing Stacy for no other reason than reactive revenge, dragging her into things as another wheel on the runaway truck. That's to say nothing of Aika only giving Tessa a metaphorical slap on the wrist when she'd become just as much a contributor to the problem with her own growing lack of self control. I mean, I get where the emotions came from, but it doesn't change that I think Aika screwed up herself there by not being equally angry with her. If she wanted to give the impression that things could still be salvaged, I think neither that nor the kiss with Stacy are things that would necessarily convey that all too well - let alone to a blockhead like Sayia XD. Plus... I mean, don't take this the wrong way, but I kinda feel like this was what a number of others wanted(?). For Saiya to acknowledge that she's got a track-record of failing to get her act together or being a bad influence (i.e., Aika & Tessa's growing lack of self-control basically starting when they met her), I mean. I feel like people were wanting her to wonder if Aika's better off without her around or, at the very least, deserves someone who can get their act together, after how many times things have been screwed up between them all... and now I'm seeing people angry that Saiya actually is trying to give Aika an out/owning up to having a proven history of not doing better every time she had a chance before. Short version: maybe it's just me, but up to now I was kinda thinking this *was* the sorta thing people would have considered the right thing for her to be doing, given how many people seemed to consider her the root of everything wrong in the trio's lives. Now it seems like people are either angry or surprised that she got self-aware enough about blowing every chance she received to think it's best to quit before anything else happens - at the very least I think I at least expected people to be happy that Sayia recognized how every second chance Aika gave her hasn't exactly panned out and every attempt to fix things up to now has tended to implode ^_^;

MrMetroid

I can't see it that way, TBH - in large part because... well, frankly speaking, every attempt Sayia made to confront the problem tended to either be ineffective or only make it worse XD. At the very least I can't feel like it's " a big uh oh moment" by default, given that up to now every attempt Saiya's made to fix things has tended to implode - she's got a literal track-record to look at and feel like she's just gonna either mess it up again or at best simply fail to make things better. Which, again, was why I kinda figured Saiya recognizing that and distancing herself from Aika would've been what people wanted.

Phat94

Sorry Stacy, Hippopotamus feeding duties fall to you from now on

GizMouse

I get what you're saying, and yeah, Aika has made some very shaky choices too—especially the kiss with Stacy (which she took immediate fault for after the fact), which was super messy no matter how you look at it. But I think the difference here is that Aika’s messiness feels reactive to what Saiya’s been doing (or not doing), whereas Saiya’s whole thing is that she’s had multiple chances to take initiative, grow, and stop causing collateral damage—and she just….. doesn’t. Now that she’s finally getting called on it by someone who isn't directly involved in the triangle (Stacy), her response isn’t “let me show I’ve changed,” it’s “you’re probably better off without me” and walking away. That’s not growth to me—that’s very clearly dramatic retreat. It shouldn't be on just Aika to set those boundaries when it's Saiya and Aika in a relationship MIND you a relationship Saiya wanted. Wich you could make the same boundaries argument for Saiya establishing strict and hard boundaries with Tessa😅. And ofc I can't speak for everyone in the comments but from what I've seen some people do want her to take accountability, but accountability isn’t the same thing as abandoning someone who’s literally still offering you an olive branch. That feels more like giving up than evolving. If Saiya truly thinks she's the problem, wouldn’t trying to be better for Aika’s sake be the more meaningful gesture instead of just peacing out? Saiyas actions feel very hollow especially when she hasn’t even really tried to be that person for Aika yet. You don’t get points for self-awareness if all it leads to is you stepping back again, y’know? TLDR: Aika's ofc made mistakes, but her actions feel like emotional reactions to Saiya’s repeated failures to grow or step up. Now that Saiya's finally being called out (by someone outside the triangle no less), instead of showing real change, she’s choosing to walk away—which feels more like avoidance than growth. It’s not just on Aika to set boundaries when Saiya's the one who wanted the relationship in the first place. Accountability isn’t abandoning someone still willing to forgive you—it’s putting in the effort to do better. Saiya hasn’t really tried yet, so her self-awareness rings hollow.

Rugal1998

Well as the saying goes "one must be at their lowest in order to get back up again." It'll take a bit but I have faith that saiya will bounce back and make amends to everyone even if she does it in a roundabout way she's trying but man its gonna suck to watch.

MrMetroid

Like I said before, I honestly gotta disagree. For one, I don't feel like there's such a difference there - I feel like Aika at that point was making bad choices on her own reflexes, which cannot be blamed on Saiya, case in point being dragging in Stacy the way that she did. Even if she'd kissed Tessa, she at least wouldn't have been involving anyone new in the mess - because personally, I feel like that act made it impossible to say Stacy "isn't directly involved in the triangle": you can't really get any more involved without actually sleeping with one of them at this point, and that's honestly on Aika ^_^;. Heck, that's doubly so for me since, again, I feel like she let Tessa off easy by comparison (despite that particular instance arguably being just as much Tessa's fault) - that to me kinda sabotages the argument of this only applying to Saiya, because Aika isn't even doing any better than Saiya at this point when it comes to handling boundaries. Let alone a good enough job to say Saiya's the one it's more on to do better, if she can't even manage to be as hard on Tessa for continuing to meddle as she was on Saiya for reciprocating. That's without counting that, frankly speaking, Aika feels just as guilty in my eyes of the whole "multiple chances to take initiative" thing, chiefly in setting harder boundaries for Saiya from the onset; she didn't do that - hell, one could argue *still* isn't really doing that since she's still letting Saiya have another chance instead of, at the very least, taking a break from the relationship and just talking for now. That part's something doesn't feel like growth on Aika's part to me - it feels like trying to force something broken to work, even when up to this point it hasn't. That's likewise why I honestly kinda dispute saying it's "not growth" on Saiya's part - you can certainly argue whether it's positive or negative growth, but in both cases I feel like Sayia can be argued to actually be the one trying to abide by the boundaries here (and the fact that she broke them). That she's acknowledging the fact she's been a consistant fuck-up when it comes to relationships and that there's, well, honestly no grounds to assume it's gonna get better - to me, that *is* taking accountability for the fact that Aika's life went downhill after getting involved with her. And that's not even saying it's the best way to do it - just that, for better or worse, it's still an attempt to do so by confronting the fact her presence has upended Aika's life, even if said confrontation amounts to her feeling like all she can do is remove what she thinks is the issue after every attempt to improve just hasn't panned out. Honestly, I feel like the worst you could say about Saiya's choice there is more that she's lost hope of it being fixable - and to me, that's not a failure to take accountability: it's just her feeling like like the only way to fix anything is to remove herself from the equation. Which, again, she does kinda have reason to think is valid when she's never managed to make it work out with any of the *other* olive branches Tessa and Aika gave her -- because remember; the whole reason she's in this mess is because she *did* try to be better and just couldn't do it... so what reason would Saiya have to see it as "more meaningful" to double-down on what's basically been a losing strategy for all three of them? That's why, whether one sees them as right or wrong, I personally can't call Saiya's actions "hollow" - because... well, frankly speaking, it's just the wrong word entirely in my eyes: "hopeless" or "disparaging" would be the right word for me. And that's something I do have to give her points for as a result - because she's not just trying to blow it off as a moment of weakness or a one-time lapse: she's acknowledging that she's got a problem and things have not worked out because of her self-control issues. It's a case where, honestly speaking (and kinda true to life) stepping back again can sometimes feel like all you can do if trying to push forward has constantly and consistently resulted in things either not getting better or getting worse - if nothing else it shows willingness to accept the situation is toxic. That part more than any other is the thing that kinda hurts what you're saying here the most for me, too: you're talking like Saiya hasn't in fact tried putting in the effort to do better - but that's the sad, twisted irony of all this: what we've seen here... well, WAS her attempt to do that XD. Multiple times now, we've seen her acknowledge that she messed up - and the way she tried to rationalize and compartmentalize it was telling herself she'd do better next time... but every time "next time" rolled around, she just didn't have the self-control to make it work. You're talking as if Saiya has never made the effort, but that's honestly what I find the big core of her story's tragic element: those showings *were* her having "really tried"... but her self-control was so abysmal that the result was, well, all of this. Simply put: I just can't agree with calling Aika's actions all reactionary to Saiya - and even if I did for the sake of argument, it still wouldn't feel fair to me when Aika made bad calls on her own even than (involving Stacy, not being harder on Tessa, coming across as wishy-washy herself by asking Saiya to try again *not even one day later* as if that mess didn't justify taking a break, etc). Likewise, it doesn't come across like Saiya being "called out" for not showing real change when it's more just that the change is, well, a negative one - and even than it's not in the vein of "avoidance of growth" so much as "grown to see herself as a toxic presence". Neither one of them have done the best job at boundaries, and Tessa is in that boat right alongside them, but in this case one could argue Saiya is trying to take accountability in her own way - albeit a negative one, in the sense that she's viewing herself as having fucked too many times to justify forgiveness (least of all the damn day after the last incident XD). You can certainly argue whether or not it's the right or wrong way to take accountability, but... well, fact of the matter is that up to now things have not worked out well enough for Saiya to feel like "taking accountability" would amount to continuing a relationship that has been actively detrimental for everyone involved ^_^;

NotUltra

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

Fira

How Saiya's handling this sucks, yeah, but tbf Aika has always rubbed me the wrong way. She only started showing interest once Saiya changed herself into a skinny popular girl, which comes off so hypocritical. Saiya shouldn't have cheated and shouldn't have even gotten into the relationship in the first place, but I also don't think they're good for each other. Saiya should be with Tessa, Aika should be with Stacy, Fani should go home. All problems solved 😂

Vib3s

Tessa was actively out to destroy a relationship, Aika was trying to protect that. If you put Aika's actions next to Tessa's then Aika has done little wrong here, but trying to make sure Saiya respects a relationship that *she* started. If anyone rubbed me the wrong way it was Tessa, until Saiya took over that role. She did everything at every turn to manipulate and prey on Saiya's lack of willpower and lust. It was her who "helped" Saiya into being who she is now. And if we're going that route, you can easily say that Saiya just so happened not to know about Tessa's public persona and therefore didn't treat her like the rest, which could've been anyone. That was the sole reason she took a shine to her, an obsession that lasted until she realized that Saiya saw her nothing more as a plaything, which she by the way encouraged. As for Aika, physical attraction can lead to a relationship. Smallest reasons can lead to that, they can evolve to something more. The difference is that Aika knows how a proper relationship works and the rest doesn't. If Aika didn't love Saiya she wouldn't have given her these chances despite being hurt. Tessa did everything against better judgment. She knew whatever she felt or tried, Saiya didn't reciprocate. But her situation got steadily worse. What Saiya & Tessa have was never the basis for anything. They made everything worse for eachother despite being aware of it and still blamed eachother. It was completely toxic. Aika & Stacy barely interacted with eachother and the few scenes they have they treated eachother with disdain, Stacy still insults her behind her back. And Fani might just aswell have very bad intentions of her own. Who belongs with who is not all that clearcut/obvious you make it out to be. But atleast Saiya & Aika's relationship had the best chance of working because at their very best, they treated/interacted with eachother like girlfriends would. I can't say that for the others. The reason Tessa fell in "love" with Saiya was "because she treats her like trash, like a nobody". Literally her own words. That's more relating to her fetish than what i'd call actual love, and that never changed.

Vib3s

Sorry man, but i take Giz's side on this. Saiya ran away. Aika gave her another chance because she obviously loves & cares about her, it's safe to assume she does, otherwise she wouldn't be doing that despite being hurt. Saiya knows the reason why things got this far and asks Stacy to ask Aika what *she* should do despite the answer being so fucking obvious to her. And walks off. Leaving her for someone else (by fooling around with Tessa) *is* what made Aika upset in the first place. She's a cheater, and a coward. Commitment was always the answer to her problems, and she doesn't even take the step to talk it out seriously with her. It's that simple. She still has an opportunity with her and throws what could be a good, fulfilling and loving relationship away, instead of actually changing for her, which helps herself, Aika and all the others around her. People want to see Saiya learn and improve as a person. Not give up and make the same mistakes with someone else. Leaving Aika and her problems is walking away from her responsibility. *That's* what ticks people off. She chooses herself, her lust (represented in Fani, the quick and easy way) and makes it look as if she's doing something positive here to soothe her own conscience. The problem here is even her reasoning to quit is ultimately self-serving, which leaves everybody (including herself) worse off. If she has no brake on her impulses, or no willpower, she's going to cheat on Fani and the person after that at some point, which makes this completely pointless. That cycle has to stop entirely. If she doubts herself in that regard, then why go on with Fani knowing she'll make the same mistakes with her? If that's so, then don't have a relationship with anybody. You could make the argument that Saiya doesn't deserve Aika. But she just has the incredible luck that Aika has that kinda patience and has a high enough opinion of her to let that slide. Ofcourse, she doesn't know what she did with Fani yet. If she had talked to Aika she would've already known she was willing to give her another chance. That and you're putting a lot of negative attention on someone (Aika) who has, broadly viewed, done the least with actual malicious intent by far. You can't compare trying to protect a relationship with infidelity and say they're just as guilty. But the way Saiya's handling this? This is as weak as it gets.

fa1995

honestly i'm just tired at this point LOL

Sheepherd

STACY WINS BY DOING LITERALLY NOTHING 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO (self-aware edition)

Sheepherd

i.e. “wow, you are literally the worst”

ChocoFl4n

Wow, She really has to focus in the positive voices of her mind. Like that K-pop Demon Hunters movie hehe. (Is hard for me tho)

Vib3s (edited)

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2026-10-23 06:00 I think what makes this so entirely pointless is that if Saiya doubts herself, then she shouldn't be in a relationship with *anyone*. If she is, she'll just make the same mistakes. It means she'll cheat on anyone, anytime. Leaving Aika for Fani just means she's shifting her lack of willpower and lust onto someone else. It's the easy and quick way out because she doesn't want to change for the better. It's a cycle only she can stop. But she's running away instead.
2025-08-11 14:47 I think what makes this so entirely pointless is that if Saiya doubts herself, by her own logic then she shouldn't be in a relationship with *anyone*. If she is, she'll just make the same mistakes. It means she'll cheat on anyone, anytime... But you don't see her say that, how convenient. Leaving Aika for Fani just means she's shifting her lack of willpower and lust onto someone else. It's the easy and quick way out because she doesn't want to change for the better. It's a cycle only she can stop. But she's running away instead.

I think what makes this so entirely pointless is that if Saiya doubts herself, by her own logic then she shouldn't be in a relationship with *anyone*. If she is, she'll just make the same mistakes. It means she'll cheat on anyone, anytime... But you don't see her say that, how convenient. Leaving Aika for Fani just means she's shifting her lack of willpower and lust onto someone else. It's the easy and quick way out because she doesn't want to change for the better. It's a cycle only she can stop. But she's running away instead.

MrMetroid

And I again gotta disagree. Aika picked the absolute worst way of showing that she "obviously loves & cares about her" by both not going equally hard on Tessa (who was the other half of the issue for that incident) and dragging in another girl just to spite Saiya for the screwup. And then to immediately tell Saiya (second-hand at that) about wanting another chance the very next day as if it wasn't a break-worthy thing... I'm sorry, but I think that kinda feels more like Aika isn't sticking to her guns on the fact Saiya & Tessa broke the boundaries there. It makes her feel kinda wishy-washy herself, especially when she's guilty of the same "she doesn't even take the step to talk it out seriously with her" bit here too by making Stacy their messenger instead of telling Saiya any of this herself. Saying "Saiya knows the reason why things got this far" doesn't undercut that in my eyes - because Saiya also knows that it went hand-in-hand with her having tried to fix it before. Hell, every time her self-control failed, her excuse *was* to tell herself "I'll do better next time" - so this feels less like she "ran away" and more just her acknowledging that she's got a track record of not being able to do better. Nobody's disputing she's a cheater, but I... well, kinda feel like this is one case where the term "coward" doesn't necessarily work, considering every attempt she's made to make it work has either failed or made it worse. What upset and hurt Aika was Saiya fooling around with Tessa behind her back - it's the fact Saiya *didn't* commit that hurt the most, not simply the fact someone else was involved. And Saiya knows that - so I... kinda feel like it's understandable that she might consider Aika better off to just not have her around, if trying to stick around is just gonna result in Aika continuing to get hurt every time Saiya can't control herself. That's why I honestly can't agree with the "Commitment was always the answer to her problems" notion - because so far it really *hasn't* been; commitment only works when you have the willpower and self-control to make it happen, and even Aika acknowledged in her conversation with Tessa that Saiya is like "a small dog with a ham sandwich" (I think that's how she phrased it at least?). To me, it feels like the fact of the matter is that if "It's that simple", Saiya wouldn't even be here - she simply doesn't have the self-control to make commitment work... and to be honest, I dunno if Tessa and Aika do either anymore, given the above mess Aika caused with spontaneously involving Stacy with that kiss. And the irony was that, again, I feel like this is kinda what people wanted to happen: they wanted Saiya to acknowledge that she *hasn't* been making "a good, fulfilling and loving relationship" out of it so far - that she *hasn't* been changing to make it work and that Aika might be better off without her (hell, I swear I saw people pushing Aika and Stacy not even a month ago). But now that Saiya's actually done so, it feels like people are mad at her for acknowledging that she's brought a lot of upheaval into Aika's life or feeling like she might not be a good fit for Aika given her track record. *That* is what kinda confuses me here the most, in all honesty: in the past, "People want to see Saiya learn and improve as a person" feels like it equated just as much to Saiya realizing that maybe she and Aika should have just stayed friends - so I don't get why Saiya coming to think that (especially with her failure to maintain self-control every time she tried to commit) suddenly "ticks people off" ^_^;. This isn't her "just choosing herself", or at least not purely - that feels more to me like it'd have been if Saiya jumped on getting back with Aika like nothing happened, or just brushing off what happened with Tessa as just "a lapse" and not proof she's got an issue with self-control. People are treating what actually does look like an attempt at letting go with the same kinda venom as if she's still trying to hoard all her time with both girls for her own kinks when it doesn't seem even halfway as selfish so much as, well, just having a negative opinion of herself at this point (one that isn't lacking in reason for her to have, honestly). Honestly speaking, Saiya at this point has no reason to look at her track-record so far and feel like Aika has any reason to forgive her, let alone the day after. If anything, she'd logically have reason to feel like Aika has no grounds to have that high opinion of her or that kind of patience - and frankly, that seems *normal* for anyone with a conscience to feel that way, given how Saiya's fumbling road through romance has been: I feel like nobody conscionable would look at an offer like that and not have the thought "why would she?", let alone hesitate to get back into it since that seems a result of just having a sense of shame and guilt (enough to acknowledge what happened was bad). That's the part I think you (and a few others) might be overlooking: nobody is saying that this was gonna fix the cycle and keep it from repeating with Fanni - just that, in all honesty, Saiya's at least acknowledging that thus far being with Aika hasn't been fixing it either. She's at least acknowledging that her presence had a toxic effect on Aika's life thus far and that, up to now, nothing's been able to act as a break on her impulses - so why think it'll get any better? Whether you think it's right or wrong, my point is that the reasons for it don't actually feel like "coward" or "self-serving" were the cause in this case - it's self-depreciation if anything, and it seems like it ties directly into having no reason to think another chance is gonna work when every other chance didn't: the issue here isn't on Saiya being selfish, it's that someone has to give her a reason to actually believe she won't just fuck it up again (because "I can do better" was her mindset for avoiding all the previous issues and it... well, didn't work out too well).

Vib3s

That's the way you interpret things, and i've got my own. That simple. You're giving Aika way too much flak, again. By the way, on the commitment thing? Argue with Kip, seemed to agree with me what i said a few pages ago (641) that Saiya definitely is to blame here. Coupled that with Stacy's remarks and i'm pretty sure that i'm reading things right and how it's intended.

MrMetroid

The issue there is that Aika didn't go anywhere as hard on Tessa as she did on Saiya: by all accounts she should have gone hard on them both, but she let Tessa off easy by comparison - even when she knew well beforehand that Tessa was gonna meddle. Then add in dragging in another girl just to spite Saiya for the screwup and I... well, really cannot agree with the notion that "Aika has done little wrong here"; if anything she's just as guilty of botching things this time. as other two are, by acting like only one of them deserved to be punished in some way. And then to immediately tell Saiya (second-hand at that) about wanting another chance the very next day as if it wasn't a break-worthy thing... I'm sorry, but I think that kinda feels more like Aika isn't sticking to her guns on the fact Saiya & Tessa broke the boundaries there. It makes her feel kinda wishy-washy herself, especially when she's guilty of the same "she doesn't even take the step to talk it out seriously with her" bit here too by making Stacy their messenger instead of telling Saiya any of this herself. For me at least, that's not really encouraging a strong enough front to take with people like Saiya and Tessa - it's not putting the foot down hard enough to install confidence that this time it'll be different, at least in my eyes, let alone justify for me that she "knows how a proper relationship works and the rest doesn't" ^_^; Because I feel like most people who know how relationships work... well, can know when they're too toxic to maintain. At bare minimum, Aika should be calling to confirm they're on break so that they can talk things out without that pressure of "choose now" to make it feel like an ultimatum (especially because Saiya has not had a good track-record with making decisions under pressure). At the end of the day, things between Saiya and Aika haven't really been any better than things between Saiya and Tessa in my eyes: Saiya hasn't had self-control to make things better and if anything inadvertently eroded Aika's self-control in the process - something I'd argue is no less toxic, sticking to a relationship that clearly isn't working for the better. Let alone that it had "the best chance of working" - because at the end of the day, I feel like their very best was moments where they were just hanging out interacting (i.e., stuff they could have done as friends too). So far their actually being a couple has resulted in Saiya projecting some of her kinks onto Aika rather than really acting out of love, and Sayia thinking that maybe Aika doesn't need a person like that in her life... I dunno, that kinda just feels like exactly what people wanted her to feel not so long ago, especially since it means that Saiya's acknowledging how she treats Aika never changed no matter how much she tried for otherwise ^_^;

Vib3s

Saiya is a serial cheater, Tessa homewrecked persistently, but you're still going to mostly complain about what Aika supposedly did wrong for trying not to lose her GF to someone else...? And why is it all her responsibility to tell her about giving her a chance when Saiya ran off to seclude herself, when Saiya was the one who should have that serious talk with her and hear that for herself? Yes, Saiya is her focus (not Tessa) because... Well, she's the one she's in a relationship with. She's her talking point, Saiya can tell Tessa to stop what she's doing. Aika already tried to get her to stop, it didn't work. And the way Aika & Saiya treated eachother was definitely different than how she was treating Tessa. With her everything was about seduction, her moments with Aika were like actual friends. They went out, played together, did girl things and actually talked. They had a connection. Ever thought about that Aika wants to keep this relationship going because the good moments they had with eachother actually means something to her, and she sees a side of her that she likes? Again, you seem to have a fully different, unnecessarily complicated interpretation of who'se in the right and wrong here. Stacy literally spelled out what this is; a weak, cowardly move on Saiya's part. Nitpicking on what the least guilty person (under the circumstances she's certainly better than the rest) didn't or should've done while letting the others somewhat off the hook is a peculiar take.

MrMetroid

More like I'm just not giving her any less flak than Saiya or Tessa for being equally at fault - at least in regards to this latest turn of events and what built up to it. Likewise, I... well, to be frank, don't see what throwing up Kip's name does to change any damn thing here XD. I've already acknowledged in the past that Saiya was definitely the *start* of everything since her poor impulse-control (I think one of my first major comments on these comics was to say as much, in fact), because I felt like her habits rubbed off on and eroded both Aika and Tessa's sense of restraint to trigger this snowball. But that was never even in debate for me - my point was that just 'cause Saiya was the one who started the snowball rolling, it doesn't automatically mean Tessa and Aika are robots who don't have any independent input in all this. Let alone that they ain't any less at fault for the active choices in this particular mess than Saiya was.

MrMetroid

Not really "beating around the bush", though(?) ^_^; - it's just saying to add "Aika went revenge-spite and dragged a fourth girl in, then only punished one half of the guilty party, then still wants to just get back together like nothing happened". People are free to sympathize with whoever they want, but my point is that it's still gotta be acknowledged that Aika did *not* handle things in a healthy or beneficial way herself, let alone a way that inherently makes it less her responsibility to do better at then Saiya or Tessa. Likewise, I'd say what makes it her responsibility is honestly the same thing you're saying is supposed to make it Saiya's; proactive betterment. By her own admission, Aika knew Sayia had horrible self-control and knew Tessa was actively meddling in it - yet she didn't really do anything about it except rely on appealing to Saiya's kink for big girls and giving Tessa a minute-long warning: she didn't really assert herself like she needed (or even should) have done for someone she really wanted to make this work with. And that's not even saying she doesn't actually like Saiya - it's just that she honestly hasn't been any better than Saiya is at the "proactive betterment" part of it, albeit for opposite reasons (Saiya's problem was she kept fucking it up because of her poor impulse-control; Aika's problem was being too darn passive and forgiving about the issues). Tessa was the one actively getting involved - Tessa was the one actively dumping fuel on a fire when both sides (and at that point, even Saiya herself) knew Saiya had terrible self-control. Unloading on Tessa would have been justified - instead, she not only acted like it was more Sadia's fault but dragged Stacy into it even further than she already was with that kiss. Hell, if anything I feel like one can argue that's part of the *problem* for how things ended up this way - Aika only treated Saiya like "her talking point" when, at that point, it wasn't just Saiya contributing to or causing the issues anymore, which comes across like brushing off or letting Tessa off the hook for actively encouraging Saiya to cheat at this stage. That in turn is why I have to seriously disagree with the notion that "the way Aika & Saiya treated eachother was definitely different than how she was treating Tessa" - because... well, frankly speaking, that just isn't what the case seemed to be. At best, you can argue that's how Aika *considered* it to be, compared to Tessa knowing full-well that it was just horny flings between her and Saiya - but that doesn't change or mitigate the fact that *Saiya* didn't really treat things any better: even in her own internal monologues, she admits that she's objectifying Aika as much as she was Tessa. Just because they could hang out and have tender or "actual friends" m moments doesn't change that, especially because that also happened with Tessa at points (bonding over the childhood like of pikachub stuff for instance). That's kinda what my overall point here is, I guess(?); to me at least, it feels like you aren't thinking about how Saiya might honestly just feel the amount of heartache she caused Aika just isn't worth those "good moments" - because... well, frankly speaking, that's how a lot of toxic relationships end up lasting way longer than they should have; because one side will cling to the other for just a handful of good memories, even when the amount of bad experiences outweighs them. It's what a lotta people might consider "sunk cost fallacy" logic and, honestly speaking, I feel like it's not really tantamount to a label like "coward" for Saiya to feel like the amount of fuckups and overall negative turn is worth trying to double down on what's been a losing hand so far - especially when it's arguably been costing both Aika and Tessa more than it's cost Saiya. That's also what kinda confuses me about the turn I've seen in some of the comments: up to now, this feels like exactly what people were asking for ^_^; People were wanting Sayia to realize that maybe Aika's not getting all that much out of this compared to her. Which basically makes the short version come down to this: I don't think my interpretation is what's complicated - it's the situation, because one can honestly say it *isn't* quite as simple as Stacy puts it when if anything it seems like exactly what people wanted Saiya to do; acknowledge that her presence has had a negative affect on Aika (and Tessa). You can call it self-depreciative or motivated by fear of being unable to change, sure - but my point is, at the end of the day, that's not the same as being "a weak, cowardly move". Especially since by that logic one could accuse Aika of that for not having the guts to just cut Saiya out of her life after getting hurt by how things have gone over and over - it'd be a double-standard I'm my eyes, and inaccurate overall to describe a situation where it's more just that these girls are honest-to-goodness screwups at how to have a relationship.

Vib3s

"More like I'm just not giving her any less flak than Saiya or Tessa for being equally at fault" If that's what you want to believe, be my guest. By the way, Kip's the creator. If Kip sees a character a certain way that leans to a certain opinion, my guess is that definitely matters in how you're supposed to interpret that character, coupled with whats obvious to everyone, said by Stacy. It's not just throwing in the name.

MrMetroid

There's a big problem I have with that logic, though; it's honestly not just on her to stop - not anymore at least. Tessa and Aika are both part of it - the former actively encouraged it because of her seeming shame/humiliation-play kink, and the latter didn't put her foot down half as hard as she should have known to (and even when she did blow up, she didn't do it in a way that helped anything between not coming down hard on all parties and dragging someone else into it). And before you reply, I do wanna make one thing clear; I don't disagree with the notion that Saiya won't ever have a functional relationship at this rate if nothing changes, or that things with Fani wouldn't fall apart for the same reasons. All I'm saying is that I think it's easy to understand why she doesn't think anything will change, 'cause at this point she's got ample reason to think her impulse-control is just too poor to result in anything other than Aika (and Tessa) getting hurt again. Especially if neither Tessa or Aika can get ahold of their own self-control issues that they've developed, since those have only either helped enable Saiya or at best failed to develop things in such a way as to push her out of where she is now. Short version: even putting aside whether Saiya's choices being for better or for worse, I feel like it's not her being a "coward" so much as realizing there is no simple, convenient way to make it better - and just isn't even sure whether she deserves to try at this point ( which, again, is something I feel like a lot of people had said she didn't before now ^_^; ) due to how it's cost Aika and Tessa way more than it ever cost her. Way I see it, saying "she doesn't want to change for the better" is the *complete opposite* of what the problem is - it's more that she's lost hope that she *can* (because of how she kept failing every attempt as doing so up to now). And in turn, I think the's answer's not to single her out as a "coward" for acknowledging her presence has had a negative affect on the people she got into a relationship with, as if they didn't have their own vices that contributed to shit giving down how it did - I think the answer to actually fixing it would be to find a way to prove she can in fact find a way do better without fucking it up, and that everyone else is in the same boat with her to do so.

MrMetroid

Let's face it: Stacy's the only person in the group who actually changed in a real positive way. Probably 'cause she did the one thing none of the other girls were willing to do; step the hell back from a situation that was deteriorating ^_^;

MrMetroid

Anyone mind telling me what the other person said here(?) Seems like they blocked me just for disagreeing with them(?) ^_^;

MrMetroid

Anyone mind telling me what the other person said here(?) Seems like they blocked me just for disagreeing with them(?) ^_^;

GladiWrites

I really want to see the Karmic Retribution being her ballooning out.

Charlie

Man I Hate Saiya so much, Now Kip, how are you gonna somehow make me like her

Kipteitei

Love reading the discussion going on here guys! This kind of thing is what keeps me going during tough times thank you so much for engaging 🙏

Vib3s

I did so because you honestly thought i was going to engage on 3(!) different seperate comments with huge walls of texts. I clearly told you i said what i wanted to, but i had the feeling you were just singling me out every time i posted my opinion, regardless if i was talking to someone else. At some point that gets simply annoying. You strike me as the kind of person who needs to have the last word and just keeps on going and going and expect everyone to sift through loads and loads of text and present a counterargument to every single point. Maybe that's how you go about it, i dont. I said my thing, you dont stop. It's not because i disagree. So i guess this got your attention, which was the point.

Vib3s

I did so because you honestly thought i was going to engage on 3(!) different seperate comments with huge walls of texts with the clear intent of me responding back because you couldn't let it go. I clearly told you i said what i wanted to, but i had the feeling you were just singling me out every time i posted my opinion, regardless if i was talking to someone else. At some point that simply gets annoying. You strike me as the kind of person who needs to have the last word and just keeps on going and going and expect everyone to sift through loads and loads of text and present a counterargument to every single point. Maybe that's how you go about it, i dont. I said my thing, you dont stop. It's not because i disagree. So i guess this got your attention. Which was the point.

Fira

Didn't think my comment would stir up so much conversation! Honestly all the points made here have a lot of merit and I get what you all are saying. I don't think there's any reason for anyone to be arguing, as there are many valid opinions to take on this. I mean, what is media for if not interpreting it in your own way? I think overall, Saiya is a person with a lot of insecurity and self-control issues, as well as a LOT of relationship inexperience, and both Tessa and Aika take advantage of that in their own ways imo. Aika can push boundaries, and manipulate Saiya into what she wants her to be. And Tessa knows exactly how to walk Saiya into a corner where she can't really bring herself to say no. There isn't really a right or wrong answer as to who's in the wrong here, as honestly they all are in vastly different ways.

Vib3s

I'm glad it does, but then you'll probably don't mind this; i'm still confused on how we're supposed to interpret Saiya as a character. On one hand you seem to agree that Saiya is a terrible person who'se only option to a better life is commitment, which is backed up by Stacy's words that her actions are ridiculous (which Saiya flatout ignores) but also on the other that Saiya has done enough and this isn't just her fault and she's better off giving up? For the last 600 pages the focus has been on Saiya, Aika and Tessa as a love triangle which she spent ping-ponging between and learning nothing. And then in 20 pages, her childhood friend (even though Aika was suggested to be) swoops in, throws that entire dynamic on it's head and offers Saiya a convenient, rewarding off-ramp (i really hope not) so that she doesn't have to pay attention anymore to her closest (girl)friend and the person who'se career she helped partially destroy. I'm probably being premature, but thats how it looks like right now. Maybe we disagree here, but Saiya hasn't done nearly enough to justify convincing herself that what she did was enough. When did she ever thought about saying no and pushing the person away forcing herself on her and setting her boundaries, or just not following the person she knows will prey on her weaknesses? It just seems too easy to me. It doesn't help for the sake of fan-service, but storywise and building character it does. Maybe i'm approaching this the wrong way, but usually these stories show some character progression for a main character. But this seems like a slow burn to a bad ending that subverts expectations. I'm not going to drag this out, but i'm just wondering what your point of view is without ofcourse sharing any spoilerish/crucial details that you cant as a creator.

Vib3s

You're right about the interpretations part. Though some parts of the story are more obvious than others and should leave little room for it. "Aika can push boundaries, and manipulate Saiya into what she wants her to be." I'm curious on that one, what you mean by that. Cause it seems on many occasions that Saiya was helping Aika on her own accord with her house, clothing and finances because she wanted to get closer to her. Their relationship (especially after Saiya made her move in church) was very much give on Aika's part and very little give but a lot of take from Saiya when Aika was understandably so expecting it to be a two-way street. Aika teases, Saiya gets embarrassed and mopes. When she wants to bring things further, Saiya blocks her. But her reasoning has been shown to have double standards in her encounters with Tessa and Fani. If i think manipulation i usually think Tessa because she shaped Saiya into pretty much being a mirror image of herself with her "training" which completely got out of hand and pounced on every chance she got when she found herself alone with her (despite being aware of her relationship with Aika) or just, well, saw Aika & Saiya being even near eachother.

GizMouse

Glad your enjoying it. I really love seeing everyone's takes on stuff regardless of view. Its nice seeing so many different POV's :) Hope everything's ok Kip❤️

MrMetroid

No offense, but... that doesn't make any sense to me ^_^; Putting aside that anyone subbed to the patreon has freedom to comment on whatever they choose, what I was doing doesn't feel like it's that different from what you were doing - all that's different is you were giving long comments disagreeing with defense or sympathy towards Saiya, while I'm going the opposite of feeling like she gets too much flak for stuff the whole group's become responsible for (well, that and length). And that's not functionally different for an outsider looking in. The "singling (you) out" part doesn't make sense to me either - you were hardly the only person I replied to, or even the only one I made big comments in reply to; my replies to GizMouse were just as long. I'm just someone who enjoys a debate or back-and-forth, same as how Kip has just said she enjoyed seeing them. Lastly, the "needs to have the last word" also confuses me 'cause... well, all your comments were still being filled with an in-depth reply. If you comment had been *just* saying you were done then I'd have gotten that, but you were still engaging with the points in the same comment - so when you throw a block on someone for replying to a comment that's still engaging with all their points... I dunno, I guess it just doesn't make sense to put that on just the other party. Especially since there isn't any obligation to reply - I do it 'cause I enjoy debate and engagement, but if you don't then just not replying seems like it'd be the easy answer over a block ^-^; I guess the short version is that it hadn't "got my attention" so much as just plain confused me, because the point you're saying you wanted to make - cause blocks seem more to be supposed to be used if someone's outright harassing you (insults, put-downs, etc), not just to keep someone from sharing different views on your comments. ==== As far as Firalia's comment goes, I think her point is based on how Aika's... not exactly proving that she's handling the situation any better herself. First and foremost being how her first instinct was to hurt Saiya back out of spite and then send Stacy (the new fourth party she dragged even deeper into this) as the messenger telling Saiya she wants to try again not even a day later. For some people, that might feel like Aika's taking advantage of Saiya's emotional turmoil to pressure her back into committing - that it's more just browbeating Saiya into compliance rather than actually fixing the underlying self-control issues that undercut Saiya's ability to commit. And that's not even saying it's Aika's intent to do that - just that, same as with Saiya's never purposefully wanting to hurt people, it's a method that some might argue isn't as healthy as taking a break from the relationship and trying to re-assess over trying to force something broken to work. All that in turn's something that I think kinda highlights why Saiya's come to think it better off ending where it is; the fact that, when you get right down to it, there *isn't* actually "many occasions that Saiya was helping Aika on her own accord" - or at least not many that are definitive. The house instances, for example, could be equated to pity or sympathy no different than what you'd do for a friend rather than a lover - and not necessarily something unique to hold over Tessa, given that same mindset's part of the reason Saiya was helping with her streams. Even them hooking up was largely motivated by Aika appealing to Saiya's kink for fat-girls, and Aika's means of keeping Saiya invested was to invest in that (i.e., when she tried squishing her butt into what she thought was Saiya a couple pages back, not knowing it was actually Stacy). Right from the start, it's not actually been an equal give and take - and Saiya wanting to back out feels like it's honestly the exact thing a lotta people wanted before now; for her to let Aika find someone who she can just be happy with instead of needing to mold herself to someone else's fancy or lose more than she gets back. It's one thing to say Sayer's actions are being driven by fear that it'll never get better - that just feels like a given - but... honestly, I just don't think that's the same as being a coward; it's just her feeling hopeless, figuring she'll be better off with someone else (Fani) over continuing something that so far hasn't resulted in anything but Aika (and Tessa) getting hurt.

MrMetroid

Honestly, I think it's more that Saiya (like the rest of the characters) isn't just one or the other: both things are true to different degrees, and it's just on the reader to decide how much they think that does or doesn't endear sympathy to the character. On one hand, It's true that Saiya's, quite frankly, a toxic person to be around - even if she doesn't intend to be; her sense of self-control is so abysmal that she regularly falls into exploiting situations for no reason other than "me horny", and that's not something that'll ever improve if she doesn't learn to reign in her impulses and commit to something. But on the other, it's also true that there's only so many times you can run a ship against the rocks before it sinks - and the relationship between Saiya and Aika has, well, hit a metric fuckton of 'em. After enough hits, one could say it's only natural to feel like it's better to stop the ship then let it sink and drag everyone down with it - especially if you can't stop hitting the rocks even when you *do* see them coming (i.e., Sayia knowing her actions are gonna screw things up but unable to stop herself). That last part is especially key to note for me - because, frankly speaking, Saiya *did* have moments where she "thought about saying no and pushing the person away forcing herself on her and setting her boundaries" and "just not following the person she knows will prey on her weaknesses"; she had thoughts like that after accidentally spilling to Aika that she'd kissed Tessa, then again after Tessa lost her feathers -- hell, she had one such moment right before this last scene, even having originally followed Tessa intending to tell her off for purposefully teasing and tempting her. But no matter how many times she had those thoughts, she could never keep her impulses in check when the moment of truth came around. Overall: I think there *has* been a fair bit of character progression - all three girls got more confident with asserting themselves and what they want, Sayia most of all (for better or worse), while Aika and Tessa came to accept having kinks of their own (stuffing for the former, humiliation-play for the latter). It's just that... well, none of them have the life-experience to know how to manage these developments in a healthy way - and while I consider Saiya to be "patient zero" for how her lack of self-control rubbed off on the other two, I think it still bears noting that neither Aika or Tessa have necessarily made the greatest choices even when Saiya wasn't in the room (Tessa coming to school with a fat bloated gut on sheer impulse and regretting it ever since being one such case). Likewise, I think how one takes the notion of Saiya "convincing herself that what she did was enough" is contingent on whether one interprets it as "did enough to try and make it work"... or "did enough harm trying and failing to make it work". Because for me, the latter feels like it's the bracket where Saiya falls into right now. And up to now, I feel like a lotta people had in fact been suggesting that breaking up, or at least taking a break, would have been the better option for these two than trying to power through - and this time it's an issue Aika's part of, since even after all this she's still trying to *immediately* resume the relationship instead of letting a consequence stand firm. Basically, Saiya's actions might be the wrong way to solve her issues with commitment - but at the same time, one cay say they aren't necessarily the wrong way to spare Aika (and even Tessa) any further grief. Because so far, just telling herself "I'll do better next time" has not worked out for Saiya and she honestly doesn't have much reason to be confident in actually doing so - and regardless of whether one thinks she's right or wrong about her ability to be better or not, I'd argue the fact she *sees* she has such a bad track-record is what people wanted from her and that her feeling discouraged by it is at least understandable.

Kipteitei

@Nightfall I think your biggest problem here is that you're jumping to conclusions as to what WILL happen when it hasn't happened yet and expecting it to follow a rigid formula of a heros journey. Character progression is not necessarily nice for the reader. I don't want to comment on the characters morality too much because to me it is very important that everyone makes their own judgements. Personally I don't think there are many bad people in the world, but there are a lot of normal people who make bad choices.

Haris Pilton

Saiya actually has a point, indirectly. It is better if Aika avoids her... and Tessa.... and basically everyone really.

Vib3s

She's not listening to what's being said though, instead just up and deciding what's best for Aika rather than actually listen/talk to her and face any consequences. By going "i'm awful, i don't deserve her", she's unwittingly snubbing Aika and the olive branch she's offering in the process. And i wouldn't say "jumping to conclusions" is mainly my problem. Like i said, we've gone through 600(!) pages of this, but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that she will face consequences. So far this has all been character regression and going around in circles for the main character while the others have taken the blows for her. Besides, i already said myself that there's the possibility i'm being premature. I'm just portraying how the situation looks like now.

Vib3s

I can live with Saiya ending up by herself if she persists like this. I'd rather not see her getting rewarded for her actions by getting someone (Fani) who fulfills every desire on every whim while leaving others to deal with the emotional misery she left them with.