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Luke

Masochism Maxxing

Lorac Ikan

Everyone became mega obese and happy, the end....

BunSum

Panel three breaks my hearttttt 😭

Resonswhynot

Interesting... so Aika is a Dominate masochist... Funny enough Stacy is really good at insulting people and being awful to them, but she can seem to do that to Aika anymore, because she likes her lmao

Phat94

I wonder about the "Saiya doesn't REALLY like Tessa" comment. It's hard to be tell sometimes...

Vib3s

... I get that this is supposed to be a reference to what she said to Tessa in a drunken stupor, at the party, about her being a bitch and all that. (page 145/146 for reference). But it doesn't really match how she reacted when Saiya told her by accident what she did with her in the closet, when she caught her kissing later on with Tessa and yelled at her and cried, nor all those other times when Saiya was ignoring her and looked saddened by it. In all those examples she looked very much distressed by it and never hinted at or indicated that she saw that in the way she's explaining here. So what's up with that? That and she seemed to like Saiya giving her attention outside of situations that were not related to masochism *at all*. Feeling her up under the table was a good example. So this doesn't make much sense to me.

BigÄgirFan

I don't want Aika to be fixed, whatever's wrong with her is way hotter

ELshyguy 300

I have been wanting to say this for quite some time but just didn’t find the moment, but anyways. This dynamic between Aika and Saiya brought back memories to me. During high school, some people manipulated me, and I ended up doing things I never would have done before. I was far from a good person, and I knew I was doing wrong, but for some reason, I never had the courage to get out of there. That circle of "friends" was emotionally destroying me. Every day I hated myself and felt lost. I was simply a puppet to them. It wasn't until some friends—some real friends—helped me escape that nightmare that I started to live happily and was able to reconcile with some of those I hurt by being a complete idiot. I think it's somehow similar to the situation Saiya has been leading now (only without the cheating-on-my-girlfriend part, since I didn't have a girlfriend to begin with). Aika is that kind of *TRUE* friend. She knows Saiya is at her lowest point and doesn't want to abandon her because she thinks things can be fixed. She sees that Saiya hates herself, feels lost, and generally feels terrible, and she simply wants to help her and, in return, recover what was once a beautiful relationship that would have remained so if not for Saiya's lack of self-control regarding her fetish. Even if they don't become a couple again, I think Aika simply wants to be her best friend again and have fun like they used to when they were together. In the end, Aika witnessed Saiya's mental decline, a decline that began when Tessa took advantage of a vulnerable moment to manipulate her and spend more time with her (because it's clear she had no intention of benefiting her relationship with Aika), instead of accepting that Saiya wanted nothing to do with her. (Of course, Saiya is too far from being innocent and she isn't a saint; many of her mistakes stem from her own lust or moments of selfishness, but this mess isn't entirely her fault either.) I suppose I still have hope for Saiya because I see a part of myself reflected in her, a part I'm not proud of, but thankfully I was able to overcome and learn from. I'll probably always say that Saiya can do things right; she just needs help, since it's difficult to get out of this situation alone, especially considering her current state, but I know she can do it. I believe in her. Instead of the church (though I see it more as Aika's attempt to regain Saiya's trust), there should be dialogue, although I understand that Aika or Saiya might think it would be a bit awkward. But oh well, I hope they both have a happy ending and can go back to how they were when they arrived at the enhancement school. (This message has been like 2 days on my clipboard lol)

Kipteitei

Do you think people stay in abusive relationships because they enjoy having their needs trampled over? The moment to moment reaction compared to what you feel towards a person are vastly different things.

Kipteitei

Wow thank you for sharing such a personal insight! I'm really happy to hear you can relate on that kind of level thank you !

Etah Heins

Yknow there is a really interesting psychological study i read about this and it said the same thing that statistically people stay in relationships even if their needs and wants are not met

Miss Nox

"I can hide those naughty thoughts" is my favorite panel the expressions are so cute!

Vib3s

@Kipteitei I'm simply not getting what kind of relationship this is supposed to be. Because on one hand, she wants Saiya to be a bitch to her, but on the other hand, she *doesn't* want Saiya to be a bitch to her?

Kipteitei

we are monke brain and monke brain wants what it can't get lol

Etah Heins

Hyper-Sensitivity to the Perpetrator and the Likelihood of Returning to Abusive Relationships - PMC https://share.google/nCkV6fmYRIYCjTvDV this is the link to one of the studies done on this phenomenon really check it out if you have time!!

Philip Scarpa

Everyone just needs to be big bellied and happy

Jumper9

therapy for you, and therapy for you, therapy for everyone! (or donuts)

Vib3s

@Kipteitei My confusion is if Aika is so attracted to that sort of thing, then why didn't she show anything or react in a way that would clearly indicate she's turned on by it at the very moment Saiya was actually being a bitch to her. Only now, many hundreds of pages later, is that subject being dusted off. Yet the mere mention of it here explaining it to Stacy in a casual manner brings a deep blush. Where was that all that time? When Tessa was "treated like garbage" that would almost immediately trigger a sexual response from her. There were times where Aika seemed absolutely convinced (or trusted) that Saiya let Tessa go, only to be completely surprised when she caught them in the act and be genuine in her response and disappointment. Apparently contradicting her desire and showing she actually prefers having Saiya in a normal relationship.

Fira

Yeah, maybe I'm forgetting something but this is genuinely news to me that she's into being treated poorly

Vib3s

I don't think they can just go back to the point where they were before that 1st intimate scene at Aika's apartment and pretend that level of intimacy since then never happened. Especially with what Aika knows about Saiya and what she likes. So how would that look like? Friends with benefits? And how does Tessa fit into that? She doesn't even tolerate Aika's presence, she doesn't seem to have deserved the relationship she wanted and what was said in this page kinda tries to trivialize what she (and Saiya) did. Because hey, it "doesn't matter in the end", no big deal.

ELshyguy 300

With 'the way they were before' I was talking more as a healthy relationship, not really something from the scratch or backing down to that point But yeah its really confusing to explain how would things go, but I can't really tell if that would be what Tessa's wants. Like if Saiya doesn't end up with her after all (which is the most viable end for both of them right now) she wouldn't really get anything she has desired for

Vib3s

I think it's because that Aika being *this* into it has been virtually non existent. Because now suddenly a sexual part of it is being reintroduced after years while inbetween that there have been no indicators she wants to (supposedly) keep that romantic/intimate element of her relationship with Saiya intact solely *because* of that desire. It feels like a sudden hard turn. So this far into the story people are surprised at this, was that the intent? I doubt it. Mostly it felt as Aika moving beyond simply wanting that, out of a developing feeling of love for her, and just bearing with it trying to fix (restrain) the part that's been causing this mess, appearing happier when she got convinced she left Tessa for good and looking shocked when learning she didn't. Precisely *because* her supposed kink was never brought up. Heck in page 645 she literally said to Stacy in a sad manner; "I just want to forgive her, but she might end up doing it again. I think she needs real help." ... What part of that does she enjoy?

Vib3s

By the way, sorry to hear about that experience. People can sadly get to the point where they start to rely on you more and more for their own benefit and that coupled with peer pressure is a real dangerous mix. I've seen my own examples of it. It's good to see you got out and recognized it for what it was, it doesn't always end that way.

ELshyguy 300

Thanks! It was horrible yeah, but Im glad I stepped out of it even if I needed the help of my friends to do it, though I obviously prefer that to staying on there, it's just showed me to be better so I guess its both a comforting but sad memory

Crimsonher025

So Aika is into degration, well then

Vib3s

Page 645 Aika to Stacy; "I just want to forgive her (Saiya), but she might end up doing it (cheating) again. I think she needs real help." You really wouldn't think so after her saying that looking all sad like. 🤔

Cheese and Giblets

I swear to GOD if you Make a miscommunication trope again I might just suspend my subscription until 2027 dawg😭 LET THEM BE HAPPY

Meridian_Prime

Ok so Aika obviously don't have a degradation kink. I am kind of concerned about her unfinished sentence. Aika is by far the least explained person in the story. She Is supposed to be airhead, but she seems quite grounded compared to lots of other people. Her childhood and how she entered the church are entirely mysteries. And the unfinished sentence... Maybe she wants to save Saiya because she sees her as a friend but *that's not a naughty thought…*. A wild guess of mine is that she's a Sandy-like character that has a whole other side and wants to punish the sins of Saiya…Aika seems way too nice, she doesn't belong in the story, I am almost certain something is not right about her. I hope we can find out soon whether I am wildly overthinking or actually on to something

Vib3s

I think a problem with the story is that it's been favored towards / dominated too much by Tessa in dialogue and screentime. Leaving less for Aika casually and intimately to gradually explore her character properly. So what happens now can feel sudden, forced and too uncharacteristic if taken too far. Guessing her as a Sandy-like character is a real mischaracterization though. Sandy was entirely cuckoo for cocoa puffs and murderous.

Meridian_Prime

I think it's the writer chose to deliberately write less about Aika's background. Everyone knows how a streamer work, exploitative contracts are common occurrences irl, but nobody is certain how Aika's church work. Tessa comes with Stacy, and have this dubious childhood connection with Saiya but Aika doesn't seem to have anyone important (other than Saiya) attached to her. Aika to me seems like a pile of fresh dirt, something is under there

Vib3s

The only main difference between Aika & Tessa is that Aika hasn't been a source of drama because there's little to generate drama from, which doesn't necessarily make her a boring character or less interesting to work with btw. She isn't famous so she has far less if anything to give up as a result and doesn't find herself in similiar situations to Tessa because she simply has no reason to, she doesn't have anything to prove and she feels comfortable with herself also. The story tends to focus on the characters like Tessa that generate drama, but i think it also does it to a disproportionate degree. There simply has been less about Aika *altogether* including deeper dialogue and i think some potential has been left hanging. That doesn't automatically imply she is a suspicious character. If you're comparing any person with Tessa (and her actions) you'd see how noticeably normal they are. There's nothing indicating she has any ill will, if she was trying to rid Saiya of her "sins" she wouldn't have taken part in any of her intimacy at all. Anyway, she felt kinda sidelined as a character so far. Aika's relationship with the church has actually been very flexible. She's had two timeouts, much of which she didn't complain she missed any of it. If you'd take away the church arcs you wouldn't have known she was a religious person, at all... Aside Saiya she has a group of friends she normally hangs out with. Sally and Tita, i think. As for her intimate scenes, they've been very few, short and mostly *cut* short when Aika should've had a chance to keep going. I suppose there's a reason for that and the best is being saved for last in that regard...

MrMetroid

This feels like basically the crux of what I'd felt before a few dozen pages back; at the end of the day, Aika's own self-control issues played a role in things going sideways in her relationship with Saiya. I mean, whether you love her or hate her, Stacy's reaction does put a spotlight on the fact that Aika wasn't content to leave it at just friendship either - no matter how messy things got, she actively did not want the relationship to end. Saiya made her share of mistakes (god, did she XD), and Tessa has actively encouraged it - in what's now been implied to be a subconscious self-sabotaging of a "persona" forced on her - but Aika... well, whether she intended it or not, she helped enable things because she didn't want to walk back the relationship, letting the boundaries keep getting pushed until Saiya herself had to take the serious step of wondering whether the relationship was actually ever gonna work. All of which is to say; it's three girls with a lot of issues and no experience in how to deal with them before this - so I dunno how it becoming a messy tangle wasn't a foregone conclusion ^_^;

Kipteitei

Do you understand why people date assholes? It is not because they get sexual pleasure every single time the other person tramples on their boundaries. It creates a feedback loop where you yearn the other person's approval and the more they refuse to give it the more you want it. There have been thousands upon thousands of examples of this dynamic in media and most people know multiple couples who have been like this. You feel bertrayed and hurt by the other person, and that drama creates tension and excitement. It's why some hopeless people keep getting back with their toxic ex, because good relationships don't provide that excitement and arousal. They don't enjoy being lied to and abused in the moment, but they also can't find pleasure without those things constantly happening. Sexual attraction to a person is NOT about individual moments, but a canvas of all the things the other person is and represents.

Vib3s

In a way, sure. But then again it's already very, very non-relatable to most people, and i had the luck of not knowing anybody unlucky enough to go through a similiar experience. Most of what you speak of in media did show something of a consistent, recurring and obvious spark of excitement. The way it was portrayed here (i feel that way) it comes as a surprise to people apparently that she's into it (being a masochist) only now because it shifts gears intensely and suddenly, while in contrast with Tessa she has talked, signaled or shown very little about her desires. Mostly because Saiya had her attention somewhere else. The way she's talking here can easily be interpreted as "i love her being awful to me" but everything that happened since that party scene really made it feel like Aika was made aware that her fantasy of being treated that way wasn't what she imagined it to be, derived no actual pleasure from it in any way, made it her goal (with naive though kind patience) to move her away from Tessa once and for all and looking relieved when she had a feeling she managed it and looking absolutely shocked when she found out the contrary. Only now do we see her blush that much. This page has been the only real indicator/reminder in about 500+ pages. Yet it also doesn't quite answer what Aika exactly feels towards Saiya, is she in love with her like she told her back at the apartment? The positive side of me likes to believe this is not just 100% desire talking because she also seems to care about her and wants to keep her in her life in some form. I think it also didn't help that much of the story leaned *heavily* into Tessa's background, predicaments and exploring/explaining her sexuality and little for Aika, leaving gaps in her character that would've made it more natural and understandable. The emphasis in Aika's case was very much on how incredibly bad it made her feel and little of the excitement it should generate inbetween. Personally understanding the concept is wholly different than translating it to a story and trying to communicate it, which can easily lead to misinterpretations. Lastly, to be blunt and could be i'm having a wrong impression here, but for the longest time i've had the feeling you liked working with Tessa more than with Aika and also in the fanservice department due to favor/personal preference? Or maybe there's something to this i'm missing and the remainder of Aika's character arc puts her more in the spotlight now. That aside, it's kinda painful in a way that even Fani(!) got laid earlier than her and *damn* has she been denied/sidelined so far... All because Saiya won't/can't fulfill Aika's sexual needs for some reason, or for example when Saiya got conveniently knocked out in the shower when they actually had a chance to get going? It can't be just because Aika is dominate, there have been moments where Tessa took control and Saiya was fine with that. And if Saiya can't who will? Stacy? Still dubious/questionable personality and motivations, a tsundere with mixed signals all over the place (does she or not share interests similiar to Saiya) who only just now became a "friend" of sorts. Anyway, take it for what you will, it's just honest feedback on my part you may or may not agree with and can easily ignore, experiences differ with each person after all...