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Kitt🐰 x Winton collabs (Patreon)

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2024-12-11 01:14:34
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These are some of the coloring alts that Kitt🐰 put together out of Libby & Holly drawings from a bit further back in October.

It's been interesting and honestly confusing adding someone else's contributions into my process. I feel like there's an implicit expectation that all of an artists' work is exclusively their own and part of my brain believes this to be true, while rationally I know that many if not all of my favorite created works involve a team.

Nearly all of my biggest influences, especially the ones that come from manga, animation or videogames come from a place of collaboration and team effort. And yet, there's always a part of me that feels like I'll be less special if I don't do everything myself. It's a very scarcity mindset sort of place I'm trying to work on correcting for.

I am not immune from having an ego about my work, but I think a good antidote to that impulse that says "No I have to be special! I have to be the best most singular artist!" is to just work with people I care about and spread out some of the good that can be done if nothing else than by funding other peoples' lives and creative development.

I don't really know what this means in the broader sense, I'm just thinking about how I can gradually expand what I do. I love the sense of community I get from working in front of/alongside all of you and I'm curious to see what it would be like to have more community in the making of the art, day to day as well.

That's a bit of directionless art ranting, but I'm in a contemplative mood lately. 🤔

Happy Tuesday!

💞Winton

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Molly Skyfire

Delicious!! I struggle with the same compulsion friend. Thanks for a reminder to enjoy and celebrate the experience of collaboration. 💕

Maynard

Thanks for the frank and authentic thoughts 🙂

TheKite

You could say that this has been done by Winton Kitt! Huehuehuehue! More seriously I totally understand that mindset .. As artists we're gaslit both by the public's perception AND by our own obsessive selves that we need to do everything ourselves at all times and master all skills ever... then we eventually burnout or keep spiralling ! I think accepting to delegate part of our workflow, the part we either cannot do or learn within a reasonable timeframe to others can be a fruitful endeavor. All mangakas have assistants, after all! I've increasingly been talking myself into hiring a lineart artist these days, especially after my back problems starter... Don't be afraid to seek others to work with!

Kurbee

I think art has always existed for the base purpose of connection and collaboration is so intimate. Words I believe but don't often live by. Dang capitalism!

Taylor

I think it could also maybe help to continue to have some projects/works that are “just for you,” and indulge in that feeling of this is a thing I did by myself, and others that are planned from the beginning to be collaborative?? Maybe?? Then you get some of both?? Idk lol

Joshua

When I was back in college my figure drawing teacher did a really fun exercise where we drew for 5 minutes, then shifted one position to the left and added to/corrected that student's drawing. I'm not quite sure what it taught me about ownership, letting go, and perspective - but I've never forgotten the exercise.

ValeRipley

I get the same feeling when taking inspiration/referencing other artists, which is something I do ALL the time. I’ll always keep some kind of ref board on my computer screen while I’m drawing with either pictures or artworks (usually both) I’ll often feel ashamed of myself as an artist for having to rely on someone else to define the direction of my own work, and I fear the result will be something that’s less of my own and therefore less “special” or “singular”. I mean, even when looking at your own work sometimes I’ll get kinda mad at myself. I’m like “DAMN, I wish I could get these cool ideas myself. I wish I could come up with such clear concepts and scenarios in my head and then turn them into appealing, readable drawings all on my own”. I guess I expect too much from myself in that sense. But then I’ll remind myself of that conversation we had in the DMs long ago where you said that “art is a cumulative thing that all of society contributes to”, and “everything is borrowed and recycled”. I guess it applies in this case too?

wintonkidd
>>158060713

It's so funny and sad how you can look at my work and feel guilt/shame for needing to rely on someone else's work to inform your creative decisions when that is EXACTLY what I am doing on the other side of the internet glass 😂😭 This is why I feel like discourse around AI kind of misses the point sometimes, what makes humans special in making art is not their technical ability, it's how they synthesize ideas. Your work is special because you imagine something and then try to communicate it, it's literally the thought that counts haha-- or at least in my opinion. I'm going to start posting my reference boards so that everyone can stop feeling insecure about this 💗 because I really do believe that the creative process is looking at something else and saying "ooh I want some of that, but slightly different." or exploring a fixation on a particular visual idea and asking what would happen if I tried this same visual idea 20 different ways? ie, What if Ivan Bilibin and Edmund Dulac collaborated on a fancomic about their love of BotW's Zelda and Urbosa = Little Bird's Bath. I think when someone's work feels particularly novel and fun it's either because they have spent a lot of time crystalizing what they love over a long time, or because you're just not familiar with the references they're drawing on. Thanks for the comment ValeRipley 💗

wintonkidd
>>158009993

Those are the kind of exercises I hate in the moment but really appreciate in retrospect 😂 It's an interesting experiment too--if you like the end result more than you would like your own work by itself, maybe that just means the fastest route to your creative fulfillment is through collaboration with others. 🤔 The best collaborations always feel like a trusting relationship where adding two people together doesn't subtract one from the other in any way

wintonkidd
>>157957860

💗Thank you Taylor 🥺 Yes, I think that will always be a little part of what I do, exploring my own weird niche interests. I don't think I'd be entirely satisfied if my work turned into one big production machine, but on the other hand, working with people in small ways does create a wonderful feeling of invention because you never know what choices someone else will make!

wintonkidd
>>157941873

You got a point their Kurbee🫠 That looming cloud of scarcity created by capitalism really does kind of rain on every single interaction we have with the concept of creation and ownership.☔It takes so much work to mentally sort out where bad/hurt feelings really come from sometimes

wintonkidd
>>157933810

Heeeheehehe you could indeed say that 😂 People will think it's just a weird typo haha I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels that push and pull. I often think that this job is like take a big unwieldy blob of creative energy and just stuffing it through a funnel to make something consistent on the other end. It's really unnatural and difficult but it's the way we pay the bills. I think it's good to have a low pain tolerance sometimes so that you give up driving yourself endlessly to burnout and make choices to make things easier on yourself. 💗I hope you do start working with a line artist for your own healths' sake! And invest in a nice office chair if you haven't already 😂 Take care Kite! 💗

wintonkidd
>>157928897

Making art is such an emotionally messy process sometimes, adding commerce makes it even stickier, and adding another person starts to make it feel messier still, but it's definitely less lonely. Ultimately I just have to remind myself that things that feel this difficult are probably worth doing because there's gotta be a really huge reward on the other side.

Wuff_Boman

Oh wow, Libby looks absolutely fantastic here!

Kevin Williams

One of my favorite books (east of eden by John steinbeck) makes the claim that "there are no true collaborations," because every project has a leader, and that genuinely almost ruined the entire book for me. Like, living in and of itself is a collaborative process. Philisophical Individualism is just a cancer we endure to justify [something something alienation under capitalism]

wintonkidd
>>158369533

Literally the exact conversation I was having with Kitt🐰 this morning 😭 Not including East of Eden tho because I've never read it haha. Something something under capitalism is also the conclusion we came to also🙃

ValeRipley
>>158060713

Thank you for the insightful reply, it is so relieving to hear these words from you ❤️ I’ve been hard at work to detach myself from the very strict, rigid part of me that sometimes inhibits me from just… being me and creating without thinking “is this enough?” or “is this unique and not a ripoff of someone else’s work?” It’s a struggle, but I feel I’m getting a little better at it each day (therapy also helps) I’m very much looking forward to seeing your reference boards!

Mandy B

gorgeous work ❤️❤️