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UNCUT - Masks (TNG S7E17) | Star Trek Journey 310 (Patreon)

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Jonathon Tsagris

Brent Spiner is a national treasure and this is an A from me.

Joe Concepts

Sorry, for me this is the one time having multi-character Brent Spiner goes way too far over the top. Some of it just amounts to silly voices.

Evan Guthrie

Sorry you didn't enjoy it. The acting is definitely a little flat. But the premise is just so interesting to me.

Cory Paton

Yeah, this episode is just boring. Waste of a good premise and a sort of fun Spiner performance.

Keith S

I pretty much knew you guys wouldn't like this one. I think they were cutting corners to save money.

Alan Thompson

If only Picard had some experience with a probe being left behind to remind other species they existed.

Vina

The Data/Ihat character is definitely a kind of silly voice but I liked the delivery, I think he felt threatening. At least he didn't do his hillbilly voice from "Night Court" and "Fist Full of Datas" here lol

James H

Guido of Arezzo is usually credited with creating the basic musical notation.

D Jammers

All I remember of this episode is Data saying "Musaka is waking" in that funny accent. And I think, who cares? D

James H

It certainly put Masaka to sleep! 💤

Alan F

I remember not liking this one... But I forgot how absurdly low energy it is.

Ryan

I just kept thinking of Alan Rickman talking to the mirror in Galaxy Quest. "You used to be an actor!"

Steven Linden

I missed the chance to post a patron take on this one since I was on vacation - but I'm a big outlier on it. I LOVE this episode. Weird iconography, mythology, using the logic of the mythos to arrive at a solution - hook it to my veins. (I do have one criticism which is that the sun/moon dichotomy is a very Earth-centric thing; most planets wouldn't have a single large moon that's roughly the same angular size in the sky as their sun). Fully expected you to hate it, though.

Mark Wood

And according to some interviews with Brent near when it released he didn't have fun (time maybe changed his opinion), But he felt like he was just winging it, with no where near enough time to make up so many different characters.

Steven Linden

Interesting that the patron takes are so favorable on this one. I posted the above before watching the patron takes segment - everyone else I've seen talk about this episode online has hated it!

Target Audience

Well it is a community of Star Trek fans but yeah we were surprised too

David Wayne Fox

Even Brent Spiner's acting couldn't save this one. We've seen his positronic matrix given just one too many level one diagnosics by this point... and after all these other times he's been taken over you would think his internal security worked a little better.

Elizabeth N

I barely made it through the rewatch on this one. As a former archaeology student I feel like I should love this, but cool concept aside, the episode is just plain boring.

Duncan McDonald

Bizarre. Absolutely, positively, bat sh*t bizarre. I quite enjoyed it.

River Acheron

I have a soft spot for this one. It's SUCH a bad episode and I love it. lmao. Bizarre doesn't begin to describe it. The symbolism of Misaka being about the sun was SO obvious that it was actually patronizing but I definitely don't think episode was boring. This is a "lets watch this with beer" episode that's fun to laugh at. So....I dunno. Its tough to grade. B-? Yeah, I'll go with B-

Marko

I can identify with Data here. The way he fell asleep... is how I feel watching this episode.

Doctor Pulaski

Interesting premise, terrible execution.

Darren

Ah Masks great idea low energy execution. Gotta give Brent Spiner some credit considering he had no time to prepare.

Prof Moff

oh god this episode. just kill me

Ashley Sconzo

I started the reaction when it went live. 30 minutes in i needed a nap because this episode is just . . .

Ryan Roach

Everyone talks about Sub Rosa being the worst ever, and Masks is *right there*.

River Acheron

I STILL do not understand why Sub Rosa is so hated. lol. I guess I never will.

Wizardling

I find it difficult to understand why I've read reviews and commentary and seen here, as well, that this episode is described as "incomprehensible, impenetrable, and incoherent." (as Wikipedia quotes). Yes, it is weirdly low energy, as if the actors couldn't relate to the story, or the direction was off, or whatever went wrong; and it fails to tell an interesting story with a worthwhile payoff. But what is difficult to understand? It's all explained on screen - an alien archive is transforming the Enterprise into their culture, and using Data to manifest characters from that culture. With a ritual of sun and moon gods at the heart of it. Now, very little of that is presented interestingly, and there is no emotional impact in the ritual being played out. But my only real confusion back in the day and now, is how this terrible mess made it to production, much less through the writer's room.

Wizardling

I kept waiting, back in the day and now, for this episode to break out of the tedium and become interesting and develop some tiny scrap of emotional connection. But it never did. And that was made all the more frustrating by the cool ideas you could tell were on the minds of whoever originally came up with this. But something tragic happened to take those ideas and throw away all promise they ever might've had.

Wizardling

I agree there was promise here, but it just failed completely, and I think that failure must've been very early on way back in the writer's room. I did enjoy the vibe of the concept! :-) That is all that very slightly redeems this from an E for me. I give it a D just because I was… enjoying how badly this was done, and the weirdness.

Wizardling

I think I want to like this one a lot more than I actually do. Yeah - the ideas being flirted with are cool and had potential. But the writing and execution failed and you could just see that the cast knew it. But I love that I'm not the only one who enjoyed the whole vibe of these concepts! :-)

Collin Freeman

Couldn't have said it better myself. I give it a D+ at best.

River Acheron

One further point. I believe this episode was very esoteric. Def made for a narrow audience. I have a soft spot for it because I am EXTREMELY into mythology and folklore. I love symbolism and especially comparative mythology and archetypes. Joseph Campbell's 'The Hero With A Thousand Faces' is my Bible. I also Love 'The Golden Bough' by Sir James George Fraiser. Lately getting deep into The Brothers Grimm and how these fairy tales were based on older folklore, and how that older folklore were based on even older legends, and how those legends were probably based on a real event. Etc etc. So I think my background in mythology, religion, folklore etc makes me appreciate this episode a little more. That doesn't make it good. It is a sleepwalk, and I don't think the cast enjoyed this. To be honest it probably started out as an amazing premise....Picard, with his love of archeology, finds his Enterprise is being transformed into an ancient alien city. That sounds AMAZING! But somewhere along the way....things happen, and the story ends up sucking. To me it's not boring, just a bizarre train-wreck, and I love me some of those.

Collin Freeman

I think by this point in the series, I had started to check out. I don't recall ever seeing this episode. If by chance i did see it, I can see why I have no recollection of it.

Tim Nikiforovs

When Worf said "there is no one else here", it almost felt like he was breaking the 4th wall and referring to the audience that tuned out 15 minutes into the episode. This and Sub Rosa are probably the episodes that stand out the most as terrible S7 eps, but SR is at least widely acknowledged as being so absurd that it's actually entertaining. Spiner does some decent work that saves a few scenes, but the episode as a whole is pretty trash. I really picked up on just how checked out the rest of the cast was this time though. There really is just no energy for much of the runtime. Also I would have swore it was Jay Chattaway who scored this one given it's so much like his usual style, but apparently it was McCarthy. In the scene where Data/Masaka picks up the mask and beats up the 2 guards, I though the score sounded very TOS like. D for "didn't fall asleep as fast as watching Imaginary Friend" 9 more episodes of TNG to go

paultardspambot .

apparently this was initially a much more complicated story they had to cut down to bare bones to make sense

Dante Hopkins

This was scored by Dennis McCarthy? I always thought this was a Jay Chattaway score, too.

paultardspambot .

As people have mentioned, Spiner got the script for this when he was still filming the previous episode and he felt he didn't have time to properly develop the distinct characters which may be why it felt "schticky" to you

tyranusfan

Hold on…Alex dated Satan?! That deserves a video unto itself.

paultardspambot .

The Long Walk is a King adaptation, apparently one of the earliest things he wrote. It takes place in a totalitarian society where a group of prisoners are forced to walk, and only the last one standing survives.

ScotchBeard78

See when people bitch about "Sub Rosa," I want to point to this episode. This is boring-as-shit-bad, whereas "Sub Rosa" is bonkers-batshit-bad which is fun. Poor Brent Spiner. I remember watching some behind the scenes clip of him saying he'd JUST finished shooting the Data-heavy previous episode "Thine Own Self," and they handed him next week's script and it's him playing FIVE parts, haha. He's a trooper.

River Acheron

The stupidest thing in this episode is the fact that it took the characters as long as it did to realize Misaka and Korgano were the sun and the moon and they set it up like it was some twist/big reveal. Picard is supposed to be an expert at this.

Eric Wilson

This is one of the top 20 worst episodes in all of trek

Redjac

one of the best TNG episodes // data played 5 or 6 character. look at the symbols on his chest.

Naglfarius

First 10 Minutes are C For me. The Rest is Hot Garbage and E Tier. Had a few moments were i fell almost asleep, and i am not the Type of Person who does somethig like this!

Mosquito_Wenzi

I feel a good way to make this episode more fun would be to have each of those “gods” possess a different crewmember. Give everyone a chance to chew the scenery while Picard as the straight man tries to corral them into making any coherent sense

Numinous2019

I'll quote Tsaha Yar (to Data); "It never happened!"

jon bolton

I'd have loved to have seen your faces if at the end it said 'To be continued '.😂. Obviously a lot of work by Brent being different personalities...nah that's about as high as my praise goes for this one. Thank god you've watched it now, and we can move on. D

jon bolton

Weirdly after my last two watches of Sub Rosa in recent months i've moved it up from E to C, so i can only agree with you.

Jonathan Llyr

There are episodes from season 7 that I’ve watched dozens of times and others that I haven’t. Guess which one this is. Conceptually this episode is good Star Trek but it’s dreadful television.

jon bolton

If this gives you a better idea of my thoughts on this episode, usually during your reactions i'm glued to both screens. Part way through this episode i got bored and started texting my girlfriend, it wasn't because of you and Alex.😂

River Acheron

I also didn't find it confusing. In fact, I thought it was TOO obvious, and it made both Troi and Picard look like dopes. I figured out the sun/moon reveal as soon as I saw Korgano's crecent symbol behind Masaka's sun symbol. Plus, Masaka is literally described earlier as making people die of thirst or burning them. (the sun).

Narnman

One thing I did enjoy was the transformation within the ship. It kinda reminded me of scenes out of Indiana Jones

Tasha Yar's Positronic Vibrator

Genuinely surprised by how favourable those patron takes seem. This isn't THE worst episode of TNG. But it would be on the shortlist.

TinMan_7B9

I could be mistaken, but I think they didn't like it. Wow, this is a lot slower than I remembered.

Ryan Caulfield

So glad to hear other people like this episode, I thought I was the only one! The quality is debatable but I just really enjoy how weird the story is, and it's nice to see Picard being able to enjoy his passion for archaeology again. Having said that, I agree that the episode does lack a certain energy or juice. Not that I think it's boring but it just seems like everyone's reactions are muted and there is no real sense of urgency. I mean no one really seems to be upset about what has happened to Data, or if he can be returned to normal. And near the end when Worf says they only have two hours left until the entire ship is transformed, everyone is just kind of like whatever. It's almost as if in attempt to take this episode seriously, the actors overcorrected and removed any emotion from their lines whatsoever.

jon bolton

I largely agree (except i begrudgingly gave it D), for me the best scene was Deanna in the classroom before the credits. Nothing wrong with that scene at all...then it kind of went downhill at Warp 9, which goes against Starfleet regulations😂

Chris Mickelson

I suspect this is one of those polarizing episodes where opinions change over time. I have no idea what my first reaction was. Sometimes I watch this one to fall asleep even though I still like it. A B episode that puts me to sleep. Odd, but thats how I see it.

Brandon Blume

It's easy to hate this episode, but while I can acknowledge it wasn't done well (especially in a way for mass appreciation) I do kind of like the idea. Everything is very metaphorical and archetypal. I can see what the writer was going for. And Star Trek should have been able to deal with this type of story well. But perhaps the idea of turning archetypes into literal characters and objects and concepts was not something that could adapt very well. Or maybe there could have been a secondary plot that all the metaphors and archetypes could have helped characters to resolve their conflict(s) in some way. But there was no anchor for this to mean anything otherwise, unless you just have curiosity and find archaeological type stories and learning about an ancient culture interesting. So yeah, not done well at all. But I still kind of like the foundational base concept. Needs to be totally rewritten though.

Brandon Blume

Nonsense. Discovery has way more episodes than 20. :P

Scarpad’s Domain

Well here it is the worst , imho, episode of tng. Yes from my first watch I detested this episode and even managed a bad performance from Brent Spiner, well it’s all up from here boys. How could it be any lower?

Scarpad’s Domain

Yes it’s this ep that made the decision to end after seven seasons a wise one. Go out on top, the cast look tired and opinionated that will extend to their first movie

Scarpad’s Domain

True this is better than most anything post 2009. That should tell you something

Scarpad’s Domain

I’ll take subrosa and Code of honor back to back over This episode

Eric Wilson

Every single episode of lower decks is better than this for sure. And while I'm not a huge fan of strange new worlds every episode of strange new worlds is better than this. Those are just like givens I'm not a huge fan of the new trek for the most part but I still would say it's all better than this.

Millenial_Manc

I could see the serotonin draining from Alex’s body minute by minute. If this turned out to be a two parter I think he would have slipped into a coma as a self-preservation act. The truth is season 7 should have had 22 episodes. Recording artists aren’t afraid to leave a shite album unreleased in the vaults and ignore fan pleas to release it. Maybe TV needs to be more willing to do the same when turds like this wash up on the shores.

Edweirdo

I do not remember ever seeing this episode. I was able to get through it this time by, thankfully, falling asleep for the last 15 minutes.

Millenial_Manc

They put the effort in doing the graphics on the panels, the sets, the props etc to be fair. I think the whole thing was trying to reprise The Inner Light. Probe telling the story of a long lost civilisation. Took over data. Emptiness once he was no longer possessed. And even the one artefact (mask) at the end instead of a flute. Dog shit.

Some Guy

It can be a bad episode even as Spiner does an amazing job

Some Guy

Spiner shows off what an absolutely *amazing* actor he is in an episode that wastes it

Some Guy

Maybe this is one you forget about or like no in-between

Rangsk

When Picard said "You're starting to get sleepy" I was like "yeah, I am."

Rangsk

Don't worry guys after this is when the show starts to get good

Bantha Fodder

One of the worst episodes in all of Trek.

HeatheЯ

Lol, the look says everything. I used to hate this episode until I watched Brent Spiner interviewed about it, and yeah it's awful, but at least now I can laugh about it.

reactive1

I’ve never said that I truly hate a Trek episode, but this one gets as close to that as possible. It’s definitely one of the dumbest episodes of TNG. D-

Worf and Riker Ride Again

My prediction is that the writers were smoking some heavy shit when they made this

Pixels At Dawn

Remember all those times you wished they gave over the whole episode to a certain plot instead of having a B and C plot? This is the opposite of that. Max 20 mins of interest in the whole episode.

Scarpad’s Domain

There was an interesting idea here just so poorly written, my original opinion from 40 years ago is upheld. Sucks

Jovet

Data Goes Crazy × 14

Jovet

34:20 But it's just BORING AS FUCK!

Jovet

"Masks" is STILL better than "Sub Rosa" (and also better than another one coming up soon)!

Jovet

55:52 Lies! LOL!

Jovet

1:05:19 Josh and I at the same time to Alex: No you didn't. Nobody can follow what's going on because it doesn't make any damn sense!

Sam Langanke

I only remembered Data sitting in the temple with his mask on. That says it all. Just to forget.

Jovet

I forgot how stupid it is that they let most of the ship get transformed, but magically don't blow up and can still breathe, and yet they don't try and do anything to stop it. They don't stop their scanning beams, they don't make more-serious efforts to stop the "tractor" type beam, they just sit there and take it. 🤦🙄🤯

Jovet

*Bites

Jovet

ROTFLMAO! 🤣

Jovet

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Jovet

I still think this one is the THIRD worst in TNG: "Sub Rosa" is the worst. Six away from this one is the second worst. YUCK!

Jovet

Spiner did an *okay* job. I can't think of anything I've ever seen him do worse.

Jovet

I disagree. Picard frozen watching Doctor Beverly orgasm is a scene that cannot be erased or excused. "Sub Rosa" is the WORST episode of TNG. This one is the third worst!!

Jovet

To make sense?? They failed!!

Aramis Calcutt

I still don’t understand what the hell was going on in this episode.

Jovet

It's difficult to understand why the characters go through all these motions, and why they don't take more active steps to prevent the takeover of the ship, and why they all don't just blow up. It also doesn't make sense why this "archive" did any of this to begin with, and what would have happened if Data wasn't there to be transformed into all these "people."

Sam Langanke

Now I want you to make also a worst 20 episodes of TNG list after the finale. Just to talk about turds like this one more time.

Jovet

"Masks" > [upcoming episode] > "Sub Rosa" "Sub Rosa" is the worst because it defies sensible imagination and stuck Picard watching Beverly orgasm while getting force-porked by a "ghost." That's worse than the campiest soap opera!!

Jovet

Not even Picard could get it up!! LOL!

Jovet

Masaka and Korgano can eat 💩

Matthew McKinnon-Gray

Just FYI, Brent Spiner did play the Joker in the Young Justice animated series

Reece Hart

It does feel at times that because this was the last season of TNG the writer's attention had completely shifted onto DS9 and the first season of Voyager. This is an absolute stinker. It's weird that this season can have some of the best episodes of the show as well as rubbish like this

Scarpad’s Domain

This episode left such a bad taste in my in my mouth I had to go back to a classic TOS reaction my favorite episode of the series The Naked Time and the boys crushed it for their fourth reaction !

Thomas Cole

Talking about Brent Spiner playing the Joker, he actually has. In Young Justice, he played the Joker.

Utterlee

Gosh this really is a terrible episode isn't it?

Avaria

I think exploring a culture exclusively through its artifacts and surviving fragmented mythology (which is often all we have of real world ancient cultures) is a fascinating premise. Nothing to directly reference; doing your best with comparative symbology. But I also really like Darmok and am a Move Along Home appreciator, so I know I'm an odd duck.

Brandon Blume

Love Darmok. Do not like Move Along Home though.

PIG

For the lord of god, yes.

Christopher Bartow

Oh...I had no idea people disliked this one, I always loved it.

NHBatguy

Musaka is waking... to remind us this episode exists... ugh so bad

Darren

Ah forgot this episode ends with the antagonist falling asleep - just like the audience

Matt-o-Matic

For some reason I knew that people hated this episode, but it always got my imagination going. Liked it as a kid... liked it now. As an adult I can appreciate that the story was VERY thin... so I am probably influenced by the head cannon I added as a kid. :-)

River Acheron

The ship not blowing up is kinda suspending disbelief. This is Science FICTION not science. There should also be no sounds in space, it would be impossible to dodge a phaser, etc etc. I never cared about real life inconsistencies. It's just entertainment! :)

River Acheron

You literally mentioned the Picard watching Bev thing like 20 times. I get it's a cringe scene but it's whatever. I just see it as he was stunned into disbelief. The scene is stupid but it's nothing to take a stance on.

Wizardling

Trek is definitely science fantasy, not science fiction. Not fantasy to the degree of Star Wars with its space wizards, but Trek is still full of stuff that makes zero scientific sense. Now, so long as that fantasy isn't so absurd and lacking its own coherent fantasy rules that I can't buy into it, I'm fine and can enjoy the tale being told :-) So long as the tale isn't dull and emotionless, that is! Heh.

brian

What a ridiculous fucking episode. That is all.

Jovet

Nobody does. There was no point to any of it.

Jovet

@River Acheron Some "inconsistencies" are easier to swallow than others. I still eye roll whenever I hear sounds in space, it doesn't matter the franchise. But I can live with it because I know the pleb masses "expect it" which is why the sounds are there. But that doesn't just negate sheer stupidity. The crew determined that the "archive" was affecting the ship through the scanning beam, but they didn't shut off the scanning beams and get the heck away from there. 1012 lives at severe risk for no reason!

Jovet

@River Acheron Incorrect.

Sir, This is A Quark's.

I really liked this episode when I first saw it... it was my 5th episode I watched of any trek and I was 9... ... I'm older now. Let's watch some Deep Space Nine.

Sir, This is A Quark's.

Shout out to Alex ex-girlfriends for being here. Thanks for the engagement! 🤪

Aaron Wells

Also...why would LaForge randomly set a torpedo on the carpet next to the warp core? With such urgency that they straight removed that entire control table thingy. Lets put the antimatter warhead next to the antimatter reactor. What could go wrong?

paultardspambot .

The containtment for the anti-matter before launch has to be pretty solid or it would be a major issue. But with the ship changing, you would think things like that would be a bigger concern

paultardspambot .

yeah, all of season seven has a soft place in my heart since it was the first time i got into star trek and from the perspective of an 11 year old it all seemed cool and exciting. Ironically I liked TNG much more then where noiw DS9 is my favorite then TOS with TNG being at the bottom of the original 3.

paultardspambot .

I know this is a goofy comment, but a lot of trek works that way. It's a show where that enhances it quite a bit as the themes and everything that there doing becomes much more immediate and you can really get wrapped up in the "wonder" of it

paultardspambot .

I really don't feel that way. Honestly, season 7 is fine. In hindsight, it's as good as season 5. While 5 has some highlights, i forgot how many mediocre epsiodes there were. In seven, there so good at the characters it all seems kind of fun. But I would watch TNG now with much lower expectations then these guys looking at it critically as adults; for me it was part of a "fictional world".

paultardspambot .

I don't get the hate for this one. To me, this is not nearly as bad as "The Outrageous Okona" something they were postive on. That one had Data learning humor from Joe Piscopo, a comedian mostly known at the time for his "jersey" character which is nothing like people from New jersey. Very doubtful he would have a revival centuries later. Then it was also about a character who they were "telling about" instead of showing. This to me is at least surreal and weird. Yes, the sun myth was a bit obvious and telegraophed and the fact they didn't pick up on it was odd. But I really don't get the hate for this one. It's not great, I just don't understand why everyone seems to think this one is so uniquely terrible. I get why people are down on Sub Rosa. It's basically a supermarket shirtless guy romance ghost novel set in the trekverse. I don't get why this is so much worse then episodes from season 1 or 2, or even some of the more boring epsidoes from season 5

paultardspambot .

it's not that hard. They encounter an alien archive that starts transforming their ship. We don't know why this is exactly, but the key to stopping it is for the crew to understand and take part in a mythological ritual. Now why the aliens designed their archive that way is unknown. But it's not complicated what's literally happening.

Aaron Wells

Listening to these Patron Takes...I think at least some people are having a laugh. You guys are correct. This is shit. It's widely regarded as one of the worst episodes of the franchise...and for more or less precisely the reasons you guys have covered. Honestly...the entire cast (exception Spiner) needs a stimulant or something. Its like they shot this whole thing at 4 AM on a Sunday night. Agree hats off to the director...but the writing has no blood flow. Pushing rope. Needs a blue pill.

Miranda

See? Sub Rosa is definitely better than this episode. At least McFadden, Frakes and the production team TRIED to make Sub Rosa entertaining. No one was trying here.

Comrade of Chaos

He invented a spaceship powered by magic crystals. He was on something

Derek Locke

I get why this one is not liked, but for some reason I always kinda dug it. Here are some great quotes from Brent Spiner about it though! "The episode we did where I play the 5 characters is an episode called ‘Masks’... I do some of the most preposterous acting you’ve ever seen in your life in it. I mean, the other actors were laughing in my face at some of the characters I was doing. There was a point, when we finally got to the end of [the episode], Patrick and I were in masks and facing one another at 2 o’clock on Saturday morning. He was playing the god of the sun and I was the goddess of the moon. We couldn’t get through the scene. We were laughing at each other so much that the crew hated us because they wanted to go home! But we couldn’t control it.” He also described this as one of the “very worst acting” experiences for him, in terms of how difficult the schedule and the demands of playing multiple personalities were.

J...

It took until 4AM because Spiner and Stewart couldn't stop making each other laugh trying to deliver this script with a straight face. I think the gag reel would have been better entertainment than the actual show.

Aaron Wells

I can imagine those two, arm in arm, cabaret dancing their way though that last scene...

J...

Brent Spiner's effort in this episode is palpable. I think this whole episode is mostly just a weak excuse to give him some screen time playing a schizophrenic mixture of everything he's otherwise never allowed to do.

Nic Fontaine

This is my favorite episode.... TO POOP ON! I hate this episode.

Aaron Wells

I think we've all had days at work where we just kind of look at each other and shrug and laugh and just say fuck it and shake our heads and go through the motions and go home. This seems like one of those days. Spiner basically typed up a TPS report with every box checked and then sent it to the whole company without a description.

Jovet

Nah. "Sub Rosa" ("horny grandma") is still the worst episode of TNG. Even if I do not dislike it the most. The whole concept is weird and misguided!!

Jovet

@paultardspambot But none of that makes any sense!!!

Deep Red

Oh God, this episode. Shaka... when the walls fell

David Marcoot

i actually like this episode. B-

David Marcoot

sub rosa is literally a rip off of someone else’s story. this is an original concept at least. you can hate but you can’t they didn’t try

JRandolph

The only way this episode could have been saved would have been to bring in Robin Williams to play all those personalities and let him ad lib the whole thing.

River Acheron

Personally, yeah..I agree that it would be a bonus if science was adhered to a little more (I am certainly not a pleb). But the thing is, there's nothing we can do about it. So I accept it. I wouldn't ever not watch something or worse, send letters to the production company over scientific inconsistencies (some people do that!), because at the end of the day, these are made for entertainment, not material for the halls of academia. And yeah, maybe it's because science fiction is not my favorite genre. Horror is. And I DO admit I have my own horror nitpicks. Do I understand WHY hardcore science fiction fans may find issues with scientific inconsistencies? Absolutely. And I KNOW how the science really operates irl, but in Star Trek, I just personally don't care if they get it wrong because I like the show otherwise and I'm not one to demand perfection or let myself spoil my own fun over something that....well....doesn't even matter. :)

River Acheron

@Jovet, another case in point. If we adhered to pure science, shows like The Walking Dead couldn't even exist. I'm not talking about the virus that could reanimate the dead. Even if we accept that, physics and anatomy wouldn't allow these decomposing walkers to even stand upon their own rotting legs, even if they were conscious. They couldn't support their own weight lol. And then there's the gasoline in these cars that would have gone bad a LONG time ago. But while my friends and I know this, we laugh at it and still watch the show and it really doesn't suspend my disbelief because I can ignore such things. Others know the science couldn't work and they get actively irritated by it, which I NEVER understood, simply because the show itself couldn't exist otherwise. Turning parts of your brain off doesn't mean dumbing oneself down. It's situational. Look, if someone spouts an inaccurate fact in university, I'm the first person to call them out on it. Student OR professor. I don't demand such standards from entertainment. I believe there's a time and a place.

Wizardling

Not to mention zombies would be destroyed by the first time it snows. Even less extreme weather would decimate them soon enough.

Lost_in_Space

there are bad episodes and there are episodes that should be erased from cannon, but this is the only episode that I actually hate.

penoyer79

This episode was posted 2 years to the day of your Encounter At Farpoint reaction.

Michael Metrick

I always give an episode a fair chance until it's over. I remember watching this on first run thinking, what the fuck is this???

#MaxwellDidNothingWrong

Holy smokes Patrons -- some of you guys are nuts. This is one of the worst written, worst executed, PHONED IN episodes of all time. None of the actors have any idea what to do with their material so Patrick Stewart is just doing generic Picard and Spiner is throwing everything at the wall hoping maybe something will stick. This is not 'Brothers', this is "let's just get through this one last scene"

#MaxwellDidNothingWrong

Sub Rosa is at least memorable, and quotable. At random times I'll juts yell into the darkness that "YOU'RE NOT NANA, NANA IS DEAD" and giggle my ass off. "DUNNIT LITE THA CANDLE!!" XD

Skye Maidstone

Will someone get these snakes out of this m****r f**king torpedo? Brent can't save this episode - it's just unimaginably dull