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Actuarial Lurker

Glad to see that they weren't saying it was the best episode ever- since it wasn't...in my view a C rating and OK

Fedora The Explorar

For me Nicholas Meyer had a better vision of Star Trek than Gene Roddenberry and Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country show the potential of what TOS should have been but never got as good as those two movies but any time you shit on it you do it in a fun way so I still laugh along and don't mind.

Summer

No I may go back to 10 dollar level in December but staying for DS9 and Voyager, even though Star Trek 4 to me is Star Trek, I think Trek is far better as a TV show than a movie. As a Sherlock Holmes fan I have read Pastiches but because of the movies in Trek never read Meyer’s Holmes books, I worry what he would do to Watson and Holmes. Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered country are good enough but I am too….picky

D Jammers

STRAIGHT to complaining! haha

Target Audience

Don’t think I could disagree with any Trek take more but I respect your opinion

Marko

I don't think I was ever bothered by credit spoilers. But I understand it can be an issue for people. Also I don't find ST6 banter annoying, but hilarious, even though I like the movie.

Summer

I could watch a rewatch

Marko

I absolutely agree and understand what you mean by the blueprint. You recognize a great quality content, and you admit it's not exactly your thing. That is exactly how objective thinking works imo. You realize something is great even though you say it's not your favorite, while understanding your favorite is not everyone's favorite, nor necessarily the best thing ever created. Emotionally immature people usually feel if I don't like it it means it's bad, or that everyone has to like it just because I do. They don't realize their own taste is not an objective measure of quality.

Collin Freeman

Josh, I think your assessment of how the last episode was written is probably far closer to the truth than we truly know.

Collin Freeman

To be honest, when I saw the opening credits for AGTs, I was giddy with delight. Spoilers like that didn't bother me back then. In fact, it made me want to watch it even more.

Collin Freeman

When you watch a show like any of the Roddenberry and Berman era Star Trek shows, you know there was care and love that went into them. Hard to say that about most television shows today, except for occasional streaming shows, but even most of them are just BS.

Eric Bundy

I just realized there’s only 14 episodes of DS9 before Voyager premieres. Sad to see TNG go but excited for the next part of your guys journey!

Worf and Riker Ride Again

I’d definitely be up for a rewatch of select episodes, maybe even most of them, but definitely skip the stinkers. Not sure what a rewatch would add to Masks or Emergence…

Target Audience

Tbh I wish I was emotionally mature enough to keep this mindset at all times but many times fall short

Target Audience

Fair except we could get drunk/high and laugh our asses off

Summer

So off topic, have you guys seen Patrick Stewart’s Christmas carol? Not as lively as the Muppets but if Dickens had made his story a play it would look like Stewart’s Christmas carol might be good for a reaction or just a watch

Ross Townsend

TNG Rewatch right after SNW ends (or whatever else they have made if the guys get that far). They'll be older, and we'll all need that social and emotional anchor. Would Bridge Crew-subscribe that.

Jon1701

Re : Credits. It was a different time but I don’t recall feeling anger or disappointment on seeing a name in the credit, just excitement. “Oh, X is in this episode!” It just wasn’t a “spoiler” in the modern sense. There will be some occasions in the future when names in the credits will irritate but most of the time it won’t.

Marko

I fail all the time.

Brandon Blume

i never read any credits when I watched this. I don't think a lot of people did in the 90s. They were completely invisible to me as a kid though. Well not invisible, but I always cancelled them out of my perception. I would have been about 10 years old when All Good Things aired. I never paid attention to any credits ever. I was always annoyed that they were all over the screen obstructing my view of the show and the characters. They were just foreground foliage to me that I was always trying to look past and it was rarely ever legible to me. So nothing was blown for me ever.

Summer

Oh, I will have to search for that, excellent

Paul Hess

If you do a rewatch I say you break the order and do arcs: Watch a Klingon Arc, a Barclay Arc, Romulus arc, etc etc. Maybe do a cluster of “favorite guest actors” (Half a Life tops my list). A time travel cluster. A Q cluster. A Geordi tries to get the girl cluster.

Shatner’s Cigarette

My pitch: Down the road, watch the IMBD top ten rated TNG episodes. And then explain why you agree or disagree with the average fandom consensus for each story. And make it crude and hilarious. 😂

Steven Linden

When all three Enterprises are in the anomaly, the Picard we're following is on all three ships. His consciousness is jumping back and forth between them.

Steven Linden

YOU HAD MILD CRITICISMS OF MY FAVORITE EPISODE!? HOW DARE YOU!? SUBSCRIPTION CANCELLED! What's that? Oh, they're still watching DS9 and the TNG movies and then continuing with the rest of Star Trek? OK, subscription uncancelled.

awktopus

All Good Things is a good ending, I think. We're lucky that one of TNG's endings was good, at least. From what I've heard/read: Piller said that the finale had to be about Picard, Q, and time travel. The original script that Braga and Moore turned in was apparently a lot more character-focused, with the time travel stuff being basically a B-plot. And the final state of the script with a much bigger plot/threat-of-the-week focus was the result of a rewrite from Piller (that pretty much nobody liked). I wish we could have seen that original script.

Target Audience

*sigh* and there it is. Now I have to hate Michael Piller. Great.

THE LORE!!!

In my market where this was broadcast, the "next week, on the series finale of Star Trek TNG" type of promo commercials spoiled the guest actors and part of the plot. So I was not mad at the credits.

THE LORE!!!

I would be interested in a rewatch! I don't know if the YT audience would love that. I have seen channels do rewatches (Doctor Who, as an example) and the numbers droppppp off. But Patreon is a different beast.

Drell77

I would also definitely be interested in a rewatch at some point, I am also here for the long haul and I am so looking forward to watching more of you Star Trek journey, DS9 is amazing and I think that Voyager is Fantastic and Enterprise is Great and I liked Discovery and the rest of new trek and can't wait to see you get through it all.

Ca$hWednesday

The Nicholas Meyer rant was a great laugh.

Ca$hWednesday

A rewatch sometime down the line would be an excellent idea. That's almost like the "next stage Trekkie" thing you have to do. You can now look back at the episodes from the lens that us longterm fans have and have a whole new perspective and really nerd out if you want.

Badger

I would love a rewatch with a real deep dive, writers, directors, camera work, behind the scenes stories, making of, script rewrites etc..

Summer

“I hate temporal mechamics”

Summer

Indeed, in the 70’s-90’s it was more about ratings and contracts less about surprising the audience

Summer

Oh yes, I have blocked commercials from my mind as much as possible but that is completely the case

Trekkie74205

There probably wouldn't have been a TNG if it wasn't for Nicholas Meyer. He wrote THE WRATH OF KAHN in 12 days, without getting credit or pay. He directed a movie the fans loved and made Star Trek profitable. It has recently been revealed he gave script notes on THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK. He wrote all the the 1986 scenes in THE VOYAGE HOME. The success of these films made Paramount want to bring Star Trek back to TV which resulted in TNG.

Call ‘Em Greg

By and large I think this is my new favorite post. This should be pinned.

Call ‘Em Greg

But we weren’t “spoiled.” There was no such thing when this aired. We always knew details about an episode going in. “In Sauna with Vedek Bariel” said it best in a great post on the topic. We were never spoiled unless someone said something like “omg Tasha comes back and DIES AGAIN!” before watching Yesterdays Enterprise”

Turtleboy

They started filming the movie immediately after this wrapped. So there wasn't much need for the goodbyes

Raphael Gaytan

In Sauna, I couldn’t agree more! There have been times I’ve wanted to post a similar comment to yours, given the thousands of times I’ve rolled my eyes at the mention of “spoilers” this and “spoilers” that. Once I thought I’d given myself brain damage! We just didn’t give a shit back in the day. But hey, this is Josh and Alex’s channel and I’ve done my best to respect their wishes over the last two years! These guys remind me so much of me and my best friend and the countless hours we would spend watching all things Star Trek and Star Wars. Personality-wise, he was “Josh” and I was “Alex”, but so much of what the real guys talk about just takes me back to the discussions i had with my best bud at the time. Guess that’s why I like these guys so much! 🖖

THE Fans

Excellent idea to do these separately.

Avaria

Thank you! Up until like 1992 We Did Not Have The Internet! And when we did have it, it absolutely was not the omnipresent, in your face, any bit of information at a moment's glance thing it is now. If we heard something about next week's episode, we thought, "Ooh, that's interesting; I'll have to watch." And then promptly rededicated those brain cells to remembering 10 different phone numbers or whatever else was more pressing at the moment. Sure we obsessed over tiny details -- Trekkies are notorious for that -- but there wasn't what now seems to be a drive to try and anticipate the story in advance.

Target Audience

Goodbyes to the show/the character arcs in the show. For example Picard and Beverly’s scene where they kiss is sort of a goodbye to their arc in a sense. Would have been nice to have that with others.

Matchstick Jose

I believe you had to make a special arrangement with the actor/agent to not put an actor's name in the opening credits. Like, you specifically had to get their permission to save it for the post-episode credits.

Matchstick Jose

You would think. Actors and egos, though. "Not put *me* in the opening credits? I think not." I guess agents too might advise against it. You want your client's name out front, not buried in credits no one watches.

Target Audience

If DeForest Kelley says it was ok everyone can get over it.

Jonathan Llyr

I would LOVE to watch you guys have a head to head debate with Nicholas Meyer!

Numinous2019

While I grew genuinely fond of the TNG actors.....the main characters were placed under too many constraints. Roddenberry, whose various TV projects after TOS never got picked up after their pilot shows, clearly wanted TNG to be his statement and legacy. So he created characters that had 'evolved' beyond what makes characters deeply human. He wanted them to provide enlightened perspectives on different cultures, species, situations, ethical dilemmas, etc. That is not the same as characters who grapple with their human nature and overcome it. Once Pillar became showrunner, he and the writers did a good job of trying to find a balance. But they never completely overcame the initial character limitations.

Anthony Hernandez

I can’t really remember how I reacted to this 30 years ago as I was 7-14 years old when the show came out, but I can only imagine that I was excited to see whoever was in the credits. I think it didn’t bother me because it’s just how it was. Spoilers have not been a thing until recent decades. However, seeing as how TA’s business is reacting and is less exciting when things are spoiled, I can see how it would be annoying for them. Having said that, they’re probably annoyed by spoilers, even if they’re not reacting.

reactive1

I’m excited to get to Voyager also, despite everyone on here that seems to be down on it.

reactive1

The last filmed scene with the entire crew was the poker scene at the end. The last filmed scene in the episode was shot the next day with the scene of Picard & Q billions of years in the past on earth.

Back Flip Bet

I always thought a spoiler was, "in episode 10 of game is thrones that guy dies." Then between episodes 1-9 sword fights aren't as exciting because you know he survives. How knowing someone is in an episode can be a spoiler is mind boggling.

Back Flip Bet

Hey that character from Harry Potter 1 is on the movie poster for movie 6 = non spoiler Snap kills Dumbledore = spoiler

Loot Narsbaar

Yep there's no TNG without the popularity of Star Treks 2 and 4. In fact one of the reason I like the movies is because they feel so much more like TNG than TOS does. It feels like a three dimensional version of the tv show.

Greg Quinn

Picards imposter game to the poker game in that episode. And seemed to consider joining it but ultimately didn't. So even his imposter wouldn't join in the poker game.

Greg Quinn

I have zero memory of ever noticing the opening credits for TNG as a kid.

Loot Narsbaar

My guess is they thought goodbyes weren't necessary since we were going to see again them in a few months. They we're literally teasing Star Trek Generations during the finale.

Yorin

And there's nobody better to teach people how to get over something than the Target Audience.

Aaron Wells

A rewatch would be interesting. Maybe not the entire show...but the highlight episodes of each season. Episodes like Yesterdays Enterprise, Measure of a Man or The Wounded or The Drumhead are better the second time around...or the tenth.

Aaron Wells

And yes, a rewatch of TOS would be interesting. Not my favorite series, but with a bunch more Trek already in the bag, you might have some interesting contrasting takes against the first time around.

Loot Narsbaar

They showed the god damn Enterprise blowing up in the Star Trek 3 trailer!!

Naglfarius

Totally agree that it is a good Ending. But like you Guys, i am a sucker for more Slice of Life Stuff from the Crew. And i dearly miss Brocoli and Guinen. So good landing, but there was soo much Room for more.

Brian Dunleavy

In case you ever looked it up, “Let’s make sure history never forgets the name Enterprise” is from, unsurprisingly, “Yesterday’s Enterprise”

Jeff Cornell

I think rewatches of certain "collections" of episodes could be interesting. Like watching all the Klingon politics episodes in a row, or all the Romulan episodes, or all the courtroom episodes, etc. It'd be an opportunity to directly compare episodes of the same type without having seasons-long gaps between them.

Forbidden Donut

*Thirty years later* "Star Wars: The Acolyte really got me through those tough times growing up"

DustmanNorochj

I'd watch some episodes of a rewatch for sure. It would be interesting to see how your opinion changed of some of the earlier episodes knowing what you know now.

Forbidden Donut

I'd certainly check it out if and when you guys do a rewatch of the show. Especially if you do it before diving into 'Nu Trek', which I.... will likely skip 99% of. On that subject, just an idea: What if your rewatch (if it's the full episode) is 'just' audio only, like an audio commentary? That way you could save some time editing and also could release it on YouTube as long as you of course do it in a way that they tolerate. I've seen others do it, and I've enjoyed that. The after-episode discussion may or may not be on camera.

Ken R

I was joking. This is the danger of putting things out there in the universe.

Forbidden Donut

It sounds like you are probably older than I am, but I somewhat remember what you're talking about, and it makes me fascinated to learn more about the cultural shift on spoilers and how people treat them. Like you said, there was always a sense of 'don't give away the ending' or 'the big twist' or whatever, but in general I remember it like you do, that people generally didn't care at all. Sometimes spoilers just made me want to see something even more. Take the episode previews on TV for Star Trek: As a kid, it was just "Oh, cool, this one Tasha came back" or "The Borg are in this one" or "Whoa, two Rikers!", and it just whet my appetite to see the whole show and enjoy how it played out over 44 minutes. I don't know if others went through this or not, but for me I've since done almost a 180 on them, and it happened sometime after I became an adult. I used to actually seek out spoilers for shows or movies that I was excited about, like the Star Wars movies from 25 years ago, because I was just dying to know whatever I could about them while I anticipated their release. But sometime in the past 10+ years I flipped, and now I try my best to avoid them like the plague for anything I haven't seen yet (unless I'm really sure that I'll never watch it), so I get where the guys are coming from. Was one way better than the other? I honestly don't know anymore, because I used to think the way I treat them now is better, hence why I switched, but as I take a moment and look back on those days, I'm not sure they ruined those shows or movies for me much, if at all. Maybe it's not that black and white, but in hindsight I'm surprised by how, in general, it didn't really hurt, and on the flip side whatever I may have lost, I gained as well just by how spoilers could keep me as hyped as could be about whatever the next upcoming show or movie was.

BN13

I've actually been listening to these audio only already.

Jovet

24:50 What if Lore secretly replaced Data, and everyone thought Lore is data in the future at Cambridge??

David Kirk

Ahhh, if only you hadn't seen the credits. The pops for each of the revealed characters would have been very memorable.

Aaron Wells

There's quite a bit of new Trek I haven't been able to watch. I got two seasons deep into Discovery and stopped. So it'll be good to watch it for the first time with the guys. Strange, new worlds is actually non-bad.

Shanelle

I couldn’t tell if that was a serious comment or not. You confused us.

Shanelle

Any and everything is impactful if you watch it at the right age.

Shanelle

I don’t think I knew credits existed until Josh and Alex started pointing them out, lol

Shane Coombs

In all seriousness, a thought occurred to me the other day for some entirely unrelated reason. Could you just... not read the credits? It would take a conscious effort of course, but I bet with a few episodes' worth of practice it would be possible. I was just thinking about how when I was a 12 year old watching this stuff I was never spoiled by the credits because I just didn't care enough to read them.

Ken R

I think the only episodes I have ever rewatched were Relics, First Duty, and YE. I don't know there are any others I would deem rewatchable. As much as I like Lower Decks I don't think it is the fun comfort food that something like Mirror Mirror or Enemy Within is, that I can watch a gazillion times and just veg out in front of the screen.

PIG

I would certainly be interested in a rewatch sometime in the future. You would bring your foreknowledge and a new light on the series.

Nolan

You know Alex, you could just NOT read the guest star credits 🤪 Honestly, before you guys I just tuned out all the credit listing and just watched the scene.

Some Guy

I remember every little detail of it from when I was six years old, including the way that the stars don't match on either side of the ring.

Target Audience

Yeah I just find it really hard to believe anyone can “ignore” text saying John De Lancie as Q or Denise Crosby as Tasha Yar taking up the bottom half of the screen in size 16 font.

Nolan

🤷‍♂️ I dunno. My first watches of these shows were so long ago, I can't say if I did just mentally filter out the onscreen credits, or saw them and went "Oh, cool, so 'n so is here" then basically got so caught up in the episode I forgot, or what. Even now I'm watching Stargate and half the names'll pass me by unless I really recognize them. Which, you're right, doesn't help a lot when you have an "X as Y" credit. I guess for me a first watch is more about the narrative, immersion into the world and the characters, so all the technical stuff, the technical things, hell, even the acting don't make an impact on my brain as I'm not thinking about a show in those terms - so maybe I do just filter it out until a rewatch???

Shane Coombs

When I saw this when it originally aired most people knew a lot about the episode before it aired because they did a lot of promotional stuff and back then as fans we ate it up because we didn't have the internet to give us content about the stuff we liked anytime we wanted like we have today. I specifically remember a 30 or 60 minute long special they aired a few weeks before the finale which interviewed a lot of the cast and showed a number of behind-the-scenes shots of various parts being filmed beforehand. We knew that the episode was about Picard going through time, we knew he went back to the Farpoint mission with Tasha, we knew he appeared as an old man and met with some of the crew in the future. This was pretty normal for a lot of stuff back then. I don't think we tended to think about spoilers in the same way that it is common to do so now and hearing about the big guest star was something they went out of their way to advertise - it was a reason for people to want to tune in to see the show. It would be all over the ads, all over promotional stuff on Entertainment Tonight and similar stuff, all over TV guide and other magazine covers, etc. I think that we just didn't really think of this stuff as spoilers back then but more like getting a free sample of something to make us more excited to see the whole thing.

Shane Coombs

I looked this up after some comments about it in an earlier episode. There are strict rules set by the Screen Actors' Guild about crediting guest actors to the point that even if actors don't care if their names appear they are supposed to do it anyways. It *is* possible for actors to opt out of their names appearing but it's very rare and usually involves some kind of special circumstance. One such example is when Denise Crosby's name was omitted from some of the credits, something she agreed to in part because she was one of the creators of the character.

Reality Strikes

I would totally be down for a series rewatch. We could finally have real discussions without having to worry about spoilers.

Shane Coombs

Yes, in the 80s and 90s and up into the early 2000s nobody really thought about spoilers. I don't remember ever hearing the term. We often even *wanted* to get any information we could on an upcoming episode or film because without the internet we felt if anything almost starved for content about our favorite shows. You can see this play out in how the way that the studios handle this stuff has evolved, too. These days they're very secretive about everything and so much of how they try to hook people into series is about keeping everything secret and constantly putting so-called mystery boxes in everything. Back then they often treated the big reveals about things as the perfect stuff to advertise to get us to want to tune in. While I see plusses and minuses to both perspectives, I think back then we tended to see the journey itself as the "main event" or fundamental experience of any given tv episode, film, book, etc. as opposed to today where in many ways the fundamental experience is often seen as being about the surprise of finding out what happens. Put another way, most people wanted to see Endgame to find out what was going to happen, how the Avengers were going to win, etc. In the 80s and 90s people would have cared about this, but I think they generally would have been looking forward to the movie mainly to experience their favorite characters and go along for the ride: the question of what exactly was going to happen would have been much further down on the list.

Brocolli

In the reaction video, you shouted out Endgame right at the beginning. You were right! The Russo Brothers said the direct inspiration for MCU Avengers: Endgame was TNG All Good Things! They were fans!

Avaria

Ensign Gates is played by Joyce Robinson (her name is currently Joyce Agu). If Alex is going to continue as President of her fan club, he ought to know. 😉

Lyric

You guys are on point going production order but employ you do not start DS9 season 4 until you watch Generations.

Lyric

I remember that special u I think it’s on the blu rays also

Lyric

New Star Trek now shows the guest star credits at the end now.

Lyric

I don’t know Alex you look like you were really trying to hold of the tears when the Enterprise flew off into space one last time.

Thomas Cole

This is the way to do it, doing story or theme threads of episodes, like: -Klingon Politics -Data explores his humanity -Personal S rated Episodes -Community rated S Episodes -E rated Episodes

Summer

I love Voyager

Molly Campbell

I really enjoyed the finale more this time around than I did when I first saw it, and I think seeing it through your eyes helped. So, thank you for that! I'd be interested in seeing you do a rewatch, but to be honest, I'd probably only check in on the episodes that were favorites. I don't think I have it in me to rewatch the entire thing again for another few years at least.

Derek Locke

I came here to say the same thing, but you said it perfectly, so I'll just piggy back on your comment. We did know well in advance of things like Yar being on the finale and we ate it up. It was excitement and anticipation over knowing we would get to see her again. I guess it was just a different mindset in viewing habits then compared to now.

Miranda

We didn't even called it being "spoiled" back then. It was a "teaser". They told us the guest stars and we got excited. Spoiler culture is new. It didn't exist back in the 90s. We LOOKED for leaks and info because it made us MORE excited to watch the show.

MJBull

Alright, TNG Series retired, DS9 Series at bat, Generations Movie on deck, Voyager Series in the hole.

Tye W

Yip. Not only did we have the teasers/preview of next week's episode we also on occasion had segments of upcoming episodes on programs such as Entertainment Tonight. I remember the week leading up to the airing of Yesterday's Enterprise. They were heralding the return of Denise Crosby to reprise her role as Tasha Yar, with interviews from the film set and all. They didn't spoil the plot of the episode, but they certainly got us all excited for Tasha's return. (I also recall Entertainment Tonight covering a 4th season episode of DS9 in the week leading up to it's airing due to the subject matter (kind of ground breaking for 90s TV)).

Avaria

Maybe helped that most of us had 13 inch to 30 inch, comparatively low resolution TVs? The people-shaped blobs were just more compelling than the word-shaped blobs (kidding, mostly)

Avaria

We'd also all been pretty well trained to ignore opening credits by the movies. Prior to Star Wars it was a guild requirement to front-load certain credits (George Lucas really pissed them off when he didn't include them); but afterwards all that information was also at the end. So, if we wanted to know who the writers, directors, actors, or whatever were, we'd just get it off the end credits.

BN13

Pulaski is one of those things that you can enjoy FAR more on later watch throughs of TNG. Watching it blind, everyone hates her. She rubs you the wrong way with stuff like the data hate, and you just want Crusher back the whole time. But once you know how the whole show plays out, and that she's only in season 2, she's a lot more tolerable. The more times you watch the show, the easier it is to appreciate what she had to bring to it.

BN13

If they're watching the movies in release order too, that won't be a problem.

BN13

I'd be down for that.

Mister Hope

On the subject of re-watches and how it would fit in with the Patreon channel, I think a great format for that would be a monthly poll. Perhaps the Patreon can vote on a shortlist of episodes you guys think deserve a revisit. Or do it by theme. So for example, “this month we want to revisit a scary episode for Halloween. What scary episode deserves a re-view” etc

Tasha Yar's Positronic Vibrator

Rewatch? "And that's it, after over a decade, we've finally watched all of Star Trek..." "What now?" "...Wanna go again?"

Jovet

I never hated her. I did miss Beverly but never held that against Pulaski.

Jovet

I maintain that the show cannot spoil itself (e.g. opening credits).

Jovet

EVERYTHING Star Trek is being watched in release order!

Jovet

The show can't spoil itself.

Jovet

I was surprised that they didn't readily remember that.

Bullet Points

Rewatching the top 10 would be a great reaction .. that is what we all are doing watching you two

Ca$hWednesday

Now you guys can catch up on a bunch of RLM TNG content ;)

Joe Concepts

Just remember folks, without saying what it brings, the "Picard" series is out there. But that's so far away from this! There is still part of me that wished they could have just ended TNG all together with this finale. There are good things that come after, but there would be something "pure" about letting that be the last we see of the characters. But I know, these days fans don't want any characters and shows to ever die.

Joe Concepts

No credit rage back in the day, as we were used to the commercials spoiling plots. And months of press before hand likely spoiled Tasha and Q returning.

Jill Barker

On Netflix the final TNG episode 26 is called “Retrospective.”The episode is hosted by Jonathan Frakes and it is an in-depth look behind the scenes of the show. It is well worth a look. The only issue is some spoilers about the TNG film “Genesis”.

Jill Barker

Oh God, my brain has turned to mush. Blame the fact that I have been trekking since the original series and am now 79 !! I meant Generations not Genesis.

Scarpad’s Domain

Nah the movie was way too militerestic which was the opposite of gene,s vision

Külwaith

Temba, his arms wide!