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UNCUT - Encounter at Farpoint (TNG S1E1) | REWATCH (Patreon)

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2025-11-23 15:00:16
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Jonathon Tsagris

Picard's accent in the pilot is weird. It's like he considered trying an American accent but then kinda gave up and went maybe 20% of the way there + American word pronunciations. I'm glad they cut that shit out after the pilot (the voiceover in the intro is fine so presumably they did that later)

tyranusfan

Originally they wanted him to do a French accent but it sounded ridiculous. (He says there is a video somewhere in the vault.) he settled on his usual accent but with “Americanized” terms. Lieutenant instead of leftenant, command and not commOND, skedule instead of schhhedule, that kind of thing. He slipped a few times during the show.

Jonathon Tsagris

other than the pronunciation of "Lieutenant" which I get because after all, that is what the rank is called in Starfleet; so it makes sense contextually - all of his other Americanisms seem to disappear after the pilot.

Summer

Gene didn’t like Patrick Stewart it was Berman and others who insisted this is supposed to be 2364 ignore what Data said about his class. You said Alimo right this time. Watching Emissary during TNG could have impacted you remembering it.

Brendon Waldron

@tyranusfan *commAHnd, not commOnd. If you're gonna talk about americanized terms, you can't americanize both of them...

tyranusfan

I was trying to write it phonetically

Sam Langanke

All your questions about the behind the scenes stuff are answered in the highly entertaining and eye-opening "Chaos on the bridge" documentary with Bill Shatner as narrator. You should watch it on the channel in the break. It's on YouTube.

Vina

Funny you comment on everyone looking a little thicker in later seasons. I assume that's a mix of looser, thicker material on the later uniforms (the original uniforms were very snug), aging, and that being full-time working actors lets you eat better.

Better Watch Trek

Hey, now you understand our perspective ;P hehe :)

Steven Linden

Maurice Hurley was the producer who had a problem with Gates McFadden.

Doctor Pulaski

Data is actually class of '45 (2345). '78 is a continuity error and has been retconned.

Jack Molitor

Love the subtle hinting we keep getting from Alex… “Here I am now…single…” Ladies…

Summer

As much as I have wanted to watch Trek in airdate order it generally ends up being one series at a time.

Ryan

I have to geek out for just one comment. TNG (eventually) established that warp is an exponential scale, so warp 9.7 is like twice as fast as warp 9.4. So Yar's line near the beginning should have been "Hostile is beginning to overtake AAAAACK" as the Q-ball slammed into the Enterprise and destroyed it. But that might not have been the tone they wanted for the series opener, I don't know.

T’Pynyn of Vulcan

Ever since TOS "The Apple", saucer separation was a much talked about feature of the Enterprise and it only got more feverish as the Fandom grew over the years. It was a BIG deal to watch when it finally happened. Cetacean Operations might be the TNG equivalent. In the blueprints but never actually seen or mentioned and the fans go crazy! This was fun. Can you throw in some more TOS too.

tyranusfan

Cetacean Ops was mentioned over the intercom in Yesterday’s Enterprise

James H

Yeah, if you notice during TOS, almost all the time references indicate it’s the 22nd century. (“The Squire of Gothos” is a notable exception.) All that was retconned later.

THE LORE!!!

Regarding why Patrick Stewart took the role/was convinced (one of the boys asked): His agent essentially told him that there was no way this thing was going to last a season and that being offered an American television leading role was better than not getting anything. And Stewart went in thinking he was going to be packing his bags back to England at any moment. So he didn't feel like it was a huge commitment.

tyranusfan

It was only shown in two parts for reruns. That first night it was a tv movie.

tyranusfan

The appearance of engineering here was not originally in the script. Notice there’s no dialogue in those two shots. They realized that if they didn’t build the set for the pilot, they’d never afford it during the weekly show, so Gene tossed in two scenes so they HAD to build it for this episode, then cut them in editing!

tyranusfan

In the reruns, that line where Picard says “if we’re going to be damned, let’s be damned for what we really are,” was the end of part 1.

tyranusfan

In the early writers bible Riker distrusted Data and, like Pulaski, would clash with him. That was abandoned in the show, but can be found in the first novel written for this series titled Ghost Ship. I loved that novel because it kinda shows what might have been.

Greg Quinn

..."too much emotion"....eh... The plot is supposed to be humans are on trial. Getting emotional makes sense. Also Shatner got plenty worked up.

Vina

I can't believe what Picard did freeing that alien! Think of all the lost shareholder value! Your question about how the alien works, it would presumably be just like a replicator, in that once it has created something, it permanently exists.

Billy T. Riker

TA reacts to Humanity on Trial: Day One... Fascinating. 🖖

EnigmaticPenguin

I hear the rewatch gets good around half way through season 3

Deep Red

I got unreasonably excited about this upload.

BN13

I miss the days when you thought season 1 was good. The whole reason why I started watching you guys was for the positive vibes. I had a lot of dark stuff going on in my life at that time, and you guys were like a light in the dark to me back then. Exactly what I needed to feel better after hard days.

Matt Everkoul

It’s crazy that saucer separation was only used three times in the entire series: Encounter at Farpoint, The Arsenal of Freedom, and The Best of Both Worlds Part 2. Twice in season 1 and once in season 4. It was referenced/suggested more often, but that’s it.

Deliximus

Sigh. Paid an annual for DS9, and have to wait 2 months... And for a rewatch of a terrible series opener

Matt Everkoul

The actor who played Groppler Zorn (Michael Bell) also played two different characters in DS9 Season 2 (The Homecoming & The Maquis Part 2). He’s best known as a voice actor, having played Duke & Clutch on GI Joe, and eight different Transformers (Bombshell, Brainstorm, First Aid, Gort, Prowl, Scrapper, Sideswipe, and Swoop), and characters in dozens of other animated series.

Deep Red

The show was insane to not bring back Groppler Zorn. His presence lent an air of gravitas to the show. It really wasn't the same when he left.

Banes

Deanna's dad is still alive. Lwaxana has him locked in her basement where she tortures him. They mentioned it once in passing; I don't remember which episode.

Deep Red

I guess cuz it's really only useful in combat. Especially since the Saucer section has no warp drive

TC Green

The story Stewart tells is that Gene gave him a copy of the Horatio Hornblower books and told him to read them and that Hornblower was the basis for the Picard character.

Numinous2019

I think Josh and Alex will benefit from a break, before starting season 3. This also means they will watch DS9 really develop (seasons 3 and 4) without a major break in 2026.

Loot Narsbaar

Outside of the Q stuff this episode is such a dog. The Fairpoint plot is video valium. Amazing to think there was going to be a one hour version of this sans Q with only the Fairpoint story.

Loot Narsbaar

They probably should have unloaded all the pets and children and separated before going into their certain doom in All Good Things. You could probably come up with 20 other times they should have separated but did not do so due to time and budget constraints. My favorite action scene in the whole show is when they separate the ship and bombard the borg with fireworks to confuse them / piss them off. It is the coolest.

Anthony Hernandez

I wasn’t expecting this video, yay!! I’m excited to watch this!

James H

You have to wonder what was the deal in the Seventies and Eighties with the Planet of the Irish concept. They did it in Galactica and then again in “Up the Long Ladder.”

Numinous2019

Sorry to read about what you were experiencing. I may criticise TNG to a relative degree, but I do understand the importance of a TV show that had an optimistic tone and characters/actors who displayed positive aspects (comradeship, professionalism, ethical focus and resolve). And I enjoy hearing what Josh & Alex make of each episode (regardless of whether I agree all the time), because they're professional, excellent communicators, engaging and thought-provoking.

tyranusfan

The movies forced their hand on that, Wrath of Khan saying “in the 23rd century” at the start, then the Romulan ale being made in 2283. Voyage Home clinched it with the movie poster saying they came back 300 years to 1986. TNG being 80 years later was already set, so they were able to nail down the year in season one

tyranusfan

Ironic since Picard was French…. I think Hornblower was fighting the French 😀

Avaria

Okay. Since it came up again, I actually looked it up. Per SAG-AFTRA, any character with a spoken line of dialogue in the episode is entitled to screen credit. Where and how that credit appears on screen is a matter of individual negotiation between the actor and the studio (or their respective representatives). However, it is common practice for characters with either a high volume of dialogue (lots of lines) and/or prominent reputation (big names) to receive credit in the opening reel. That's why John de Lancie is up front and Colm Meaney's in the back for this episode. Actors may sign an individual waiver to opt out of this, or express an individual preference which varies from the show's standard practice. Which is probably what DeForest Kelley agreed to. With a typical 14-16 day turn-around from pre-production start to wrap on a typical episode, I imagine there was not a lot of varying from standard practice. Opening reel credit was also likely a part of the signing cost for many of the actors who received it.

tyranusfan

They claimed that it slowed down storytelling and they couldn’t figure out how to use it the way it was intended…but that is a lame excuse. All they had to do was start an episode already separated. “Captains log: we’ve left the saucer at starbase—-, and we are approaching the Ferengi border…”. Spend the whole episode on the battle section. That’s not hard 😁

penoyer79

You guys need to look up William Shatner's "Chaos On The Bridge". It's a recent documentary about the turbulant first few years of TNG and all the upheavel that went on and the creative battles that were happening. It really deep dives into why the early seasons were so much worse than the later seasons. no movie spoilers.

penoyer79

now you see what we all saw lol. you guys loved the premiere back then. just like we all did when it first aired. then you go back after a while and you're like "My God!"

Aaron Wells

It was called "The Troubles"...basically Ireland burned for decades during that period, over British rule of Northern Ireland, to say nothing of old school Catholic-Protestant sectarian violence. Ever heard of Bloody Sunday? The IRA? Good Friday Agreement? An Irish Car Bomb? So on and so forth. The world was watching, and there is a huge population in America with Irish roots that were very interested. Bled over into all sorts of things.

bab

This is where TNG REALLY begins.

Adin

After watching this again i have to say I miss early TNGs score so bad :(

Matchstick Jose

If I recall correctly, Marc Alaimo was not the original actor cast as Dukat. They didn't like the performance, so they brought Alaimo in to reshoot the scenes (I assume because they liked him so much in The Wounded). Talk about serendipity. (As to why they didn't just rename the character Gul Macet after that, probably just money since the writer of The Wounded would then be owed residuals for every appearance.) I don’t know if it’s ever been revealed who the original actor was. Anybody know? Not the only scenes they reshot in the pilot. They thought Sisko came off too harshly in his first meeting with Kira, so they reshot that as well. (Look at how oddly smiley Brooks is in that scene and you can tell he’s doing his best with that reshoot.)

Loot Narsbaar

Given upon how much they relied upon stock footage to make ends meet new shots of the ship being separated probably cost too much. Also, one character would have to sit the story out being in command of the saucer. Less of a problem when Worf is the super utility player, or Geordi is the helmsman. Bigger problem later when those positions are filled by extras. My big nerd pet peeve is in Brothers Data hijacks the bridge, but the senior staff doesn't reconvene on the battle bridge??? It must have been redressed to be another ship on that day.

Loot Narsbaar

It's because Macet wasn't prefect of Bajor, he was a lesser Gul who commanded a run in the mill warship. And probably the money.

Forbidden Donut

Talk of Emissary vs Encounter at Farpoint, having watched both several times, I think Emissary is clearly better, but neither is great. Especially in hindsight, it packs in quite a lot and does it fairly well, but it's still kind of sleepy/slow at times and like most pilots it's weighed down by trying to set everything up.

Ken R

Rewatch the one where Wesley gets the death penalty for walking on the grass!

BN13

Thank you for your concern. And I agree. I enjoy TNG for all of the reasons you listed. But I also enjoy hearing what Josh & Alex think about it regardless of whether or not I disagree. Otherwise, I would have left after season 1. I'm just glad that this channel happened to be exactly what I needed to hear at the time.

tyranusfan

Alex and Josh: once you get past Generations you should watch all the bonus features on the blu rays. Even if you don’t post them they are interesting

tyranusfan

Well Macet didn’t seem as villainous. You’d have to retcon the Wounded and make him a liar to achieve the same character as in DS9

Matchstick Jose

TNG began for me when I saw an ad in the newspaper for the premiere and I said to myself: "I bet that bald guy is the android."

Loot Narsbaar

One of the most delightful things about s1 is the Enterprise plodding along at Warp 2 or 3. You wanna make a 6 hour trip take 6 motnhs? Ok cowboy, it's your ship.

Philbot

Makes me wonder at the end of the day does Geordie take his visor off & “pop” some pain killers? They seemed to have tuned out when Beverly says “your father liked him a lot.” And Picard “I knew your father.” With tears in his eyes. But no they were never friends.. 🤷‍♂️

Philbot

Novels say they’re cousins..

Philbot

I watched this at like 7 first run? I remember as a kid not knowing who the main characters were. I decided the random Asian guy subbing in for Tasha was my favorite character. 😂

Philbot

I think the intention was always to take place 100 years after TOS?

Philbot

Didn’t they always gate the naked now? Lonely among us, & talk of Picard being sidelined..

David Brown

"Friends, close friends, are few and far between. Two of the oldest and closest, Jack Crusher, may he rest in peace, and Walker Keel. Before various missions split us up we were virtually inseparable." - Picard 1x25: Conspiracy

Rich Loga

I agree that they NEED to watch that documentary.

tyranusfan

When I first saw the announcement for TNG in 86, for some reason the only image in my head was Captain Pike and crew from The Cage, but in the maroon movie uniforms. No idea why but that’s what I imagined

Rich Loga

Dorothy “D.C.” Fontana wrote the original script for Encounter at Farpoint as a normal length episode. Paramount decided they wanted a TV movie to kick off the series. Gene rewrote Dorothy’s script adding all the Q stuff, taking half her writer’s credit in the process. Please watch and react to Shatner’s documentary “Chaos on the Bridge”, you’ll learn so much about this show and the people behind it and it’s entertaining too.

Lwaxana’s Poolboy

Every time I watch EaF I’m taken back to a high school field trip where I watched a Shakespeare play. It must be the squeaky flooring and feelings of confusion about the plot.

Ryan

For real though. If it's a post-scarcity society with no resource constraints, why don't they just go warp 9 all the time? It's not like setting warp speed limits makes anyone slow down anyway.

Rich Loga

Gene took Dorothy Fontana’s original Farpoint script and rewrote it and added all the Q stuff, not just added all the Q stuff. Dorothy’s original script might have been great before Gene rewrote it, because she was an amazing writer.

Rich Loga

I believe he had told Shatner the same thing in the 60’s. Ironically Nicholas Meyer used those books as inspiration for Wrath of Khan too.

Collin Freeman

Advertising for Star Trek The Motion Picture said something like “ A 23rd century odyssey”

Collin Freeman

The writing in the first season, especially Gene’s dialog writing, just grates on me like nails on a chalkboard. He was a great idea man, but his script writing was stuck back in 1964.

Collin Freeman

A more accurate comparison of Encounter at Farpoint would not be The Emissary but rather The Cage. Everybody is so stiff and taking themselves so seriously.

Todd

*Geordi

Ragnarok

You know, it’s funny: while the script wasn’t on his level yet, it’s quite obvious that John had Q *all* figured out, right from the start. He knew exactly what Q was all about, long before the writers ever did, and while it took time for his material to catch up, he himself, here, is every bit what he ever was later on. It’s great.

Loot Narsbaar

Everyone is too oily in that one

Loot Narsbaar

Has it been vetted for spoilers?

Loot Narsbaar

It's tough to know what could have been. Maybe this show as is could have been better with better editing/ pacing. All's well that ends well because we're still talking TNG almost 40 years later.

Loot Narsbaar

They always take breaks. It's inevitable.

Loot Narsbaar

Dylithium isn't post scarcity (established ST4, Rascals) and that does something to make the engines go. Plus anti-matter has to be (carefully) manufactured, and if you're not near a starbase you ship is going need a tuneup every thousand lightyears or so. This is why the Borg were so tough and arrived sooner than expected: it seems they can cruise at warp 9

Collin Freeman

Picard was basically an ass for the first season. Thankfully the writers and Patrick Stewart loosened him up over the subsequent seasons.

#MaxwellDidNothingWrong

John de Lancie has his performance of 'Q' down perfect from the absolute beginning. The writing of Q not so much, bu the mannerisms, the attitude, it's all dialed in right where they will be from start to finish.

Mark Simonson

Given that the saucer section has no warp drive, it made no sense at all to separate it while they were doing warp 9+ in this episode. That's why Data warns them that it's never been attempted. But they do anyway and the saucer section just sails off like it's no big deal. Later on they even explain that the saucer is arriving a little later to Farpoint because they are on impulse. Shouldn't it be delayed by months or years without warp capability?

Philbot

I just learned that the sickbay set wasn’t built yet? So the scene with Geordie is in a redress of the Observation lounge? I thought that same sick bay set was originally built for TMP? If you look at the room with all the wounded from TWOK it sure looks like the same room?

Philbot

Didn’t he describe Q like lord Byron “mad, bad, and dangerous to know.”

Philbot

Idk 🤷‍♂️ I saw two of his Have gun will travel episodes. They felt so Geney and sure he popped up as the writer. I thought they were great episodes

Henry Newcomer

Seeing this as a video pop up was a nice surprise. I might be the only one who'd want this, but I kept imagining you two re-watching your first full watch of this while watching the episode alongside it, and reacting to both the episode and your initial reactions.

Mike Rogers

You may have heard this before but Encounter At Farpoint was written as a one hour pilot. But Paramount decided they wanted a 2 hour pilot and that was when the Q part of the story was hatched, not to mention all the other things they did to get the needed runtime (Riker's manual docking, etc). There was a music cue written for the saucer separation but it was not used in favor of the theme reprise. Bones appearence was successfully kept a secret and if word did get out before airing Roddenberry would have it cut. In the script Bones character name was Admiral.

Ryan

That’s right, they did establish that. Somewhere along the way they figured out that limiting resources gives you plot fuel.

Loot Narsbaar

Maybe they caught quite the warp wave when they were cut loose

ellknii

By jove, I think they get it! ;)

penoyer79

yeah i re-watched it. there are NO SPOILERS.

Jason Aud

That may have been Wesley's only real encounter/interaction with Picard so it would probably stand out even if Jack and Picard were friends on board their ship. Also it seem from later lore Picard kind of avoided the situation more afterward as well so not the most out there thing. Fun to see the reaction going back and seeing how thing's started again! TNG had one of the best finale's but weakest Pilot IMO....still the series grew into itself for sure! Going to rewatch/re-react to other just favorites even if not the entire series? No not just the Bonding and Ensign Gates episodes!

Ian Westcott

The saucer separation is one of those things that's cool in concept, but tactically it's just a bad idea. It's really nothing more than a life boat -- the stardrive zooms off with the only warp drive and most of the armaments, leaving all the personnel stuck where they are, extremely vulnerable to attack. If you're expecting combat, the right thing to do is not to have your non-combat personnel aboard the starship in the first place, and keep your military folks all together. The saucer section is extremely vulnerable and only has impulse engines and thrusters, so it would be a truly tempting target to any hostile force.

Ian Westcott

"The guy who fired Gates McFadden should be black-balled from the industry." Maurice Hurley sorted self-black-balled, first by calling the rest of the production staff "children" and then by dying. But in a weird twist, Berman did ask him to write an ultimately-unused draft for Star Trek: Generations. And Nicholas Meyer was not too big for TV, he was hired for Star Trek II because he was a TV director and Paramount was trying to cut costs after the TMP debacle. But he ultimately retired from directing, except for a single TV movie, Star Trek 6 was his final directing credit.