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UNCUT - Time and Again (VOY S1E4) | Star Trek Journey 343 (Patreon)

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2026-02-15 13:00:06
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Fedora The Explorar

Thank you guys for uploading two hours earlier now, its very convenient for me

Shawn Indigo

Good morning Josh! Thanks man. Watching momentarily :)

Wizardling

What a nice way to begin my morning :-)

River Acheron

It's a well made episode, but I can't stand Prime Directive episodes and I don't agree with it 80% of the time, soooo...there's just nothing for ME PERSONALLY in this episode. Soooo.... C (subjectively! I recognize it's decent, but...not my type of fiction)

Summer

Excellent time to post. (as a clarification, Belanna detected a substance that was banned in the Federation 100 years ago, the explosion here in the Delta Quadrant was the day before.) production probably put these two episodes together glad you enjoyed it. You guys have interesting ideas, you should write.

Matchstick Jose

Time and Again. Cause and Effect. Brannon Braga clearly given the job of naming Voyager episodes.

tyranusfan

That scene with the Doctor seems like it belonged in the last episode, since he already met Kes.

Fedora The Explorar

My expectations when it comes to them being stranded is less with finding a way home and more me wanting to feel that they are stranded on resources and surviving their way through space. Also the Maquis Starfleet divide would be there, that's utilising the premise for me not finding the way back home. But once again we are just three episodes in so I will see what you will think of them utilising their premise. throughout the series.

Darren

Annoying kid actor aside I like this one. Voyager has the strongest first season for me.

Daniel Garrett

Janeway can really take a bump to the cranium 💥

Evan Guthrie

Not sure how you got it stuck in your brains that this happened 100 years ago, it was 1 day ago. But I guess it doesn't really matter for the plot.

Prof Moff

Voyager SEX SCORE BOARD Another tough one to call. BUT, we have decided to “conditionally” give Paris a score with one of the sisters. This might be controversial but Paris got Kim to do the double date. We have NO faith in Kim scoring but we think with a wing man Paris could throw a bit of rizz (I hope that is used correctly). Paris seems closer to Riker than Dr. Bashir. We do give a lot to assuming it did happen on the scoreboard. That is why we are counting it. Now this could change if we hear next episode that Kim clock-blocked OR we could add to it if we hear Paris really pulled and did-da-double. Still no way to score the Star Trek Jar Jar and the Village of the Damned chick. Board Paris – 1 new At least one DeLaney sister – 1 new

Summer

I agree Chakotay is great

Cory Paton

I've never agreed with the complaints of "not utilizing the premise" because I don't think a Star Trek show where the focus is surviving and struggling would be good for 7 26 episode seasons. They touch on it every now and again with trading or sending teams to get resources from planets and that's enough really. As for the Maquis/Starfleet conflict, people seem to think that the Maquis are completely ideologically opposite from Starfleet and that's just not the case. Most Maquis are just civilians who got fucked over by a bad political situation and some Starfleet people joined them because they too believed in the cause of reclaiming those colonies from the Cardassians. These people are now in the Delta quadrant and that cause is 70,000 lightyears away, they are going to work together with their fellow Federation people because that gives them the best chance of getting home.

Cory Paton

They heard the mention of the polaric energy accident happening in 2268 with the Romulan experiments leading to the Treaty Ban and got it mixed up with the accident happening here in this episode.

Evan Guthrie

The "using the premise" take was about the Starfleet-Maquis relations, not the 75 years from home premise.

Actuarial Lurker

The 1970s are calling and the Houston Astros want their uniforms back....

Actuarial Lurker

Harry Kim is probably a virgin- does holding hands count?

Steven Linden

I'm sure nobody else cares, but this made me look up the origin of "flashpoint". flash-point(n.) also flashpoint, "temperature at which vapor will ignite momentarily," 1869, from flash (v.) + point (n.). Figurative use by 1955. Slightly earlier as flashing-point (1867).

Zenlike Creature

You know, beyond the outfits/costumes, I have very little memory of this episode. Based on that fact alone, I have to say I enjoyed that! I enjoy good paradox/timey-whimey stories (when done well) and this certainly does the job, although it seems it's lifted the ending (reset) of Cause and Effect, to a degree. Except no-one remembers anything. Ah, Janeway and the Prime Directive. Start keeping count ;)

Sam Langanke

What do some fans mean when they say VOY has not 'utilised its premise'? They mean it wasn't like Moore's BSG. You know - the Not-Star Trek show from TEN years later.

Yannik M.

And at the end the Doctor still doesn't know that there are new crewmembers

River Acheron

One thing...It was just one day in the past. I'm unclear how you thought it was 100 years but it was def supposed to just be a day in the past.

Katie Jackson

There was a Captains Log in the last episode, Parallax. Obviously not going to be every episode but looks like they're not abandoning it altogether

nicerDicer

And that wasn't a very good episode by Yoyager standards :)) It's fair to say that Yoyager had its best first season up until its release.

River Acheron

Good observation. It literally is All Good Things in a different color package.

Phenomenon (Doo - Dooo - Dah - Doo - Doo)

The Romulans had putzed around with the same kind of energy generation and caused a similar kaboom 100 years ago, leading to a ban on the technology. The guys heard that and immediately misremembered it. I thought I was the only person capable of that

Prof Moff

lol no it does not. If it did, Geordy would be king

misti-step

i like to think that starfleet academy offers improv classes for when u need to quickly go undercover 😅

Ryan

I love that they introduce this alien species by gaslighting the kid. "There are no demons, kid! It's all those damned comic books you read!" Otherwise, decent time travel episode. It is basically an All Good Things mini-redux, but I'm always up for a good "we caused the paradox we're solving" dilemma.

David Wayne Fox

A little heavy on the technobabble but the cumulative effect of all the elements of this episode I find to be quite haunting and effective.

Elizabeth N

Glad you enjoyed! I always liked this one, or at least, the time travel stuff in it and I love the pairing of Janeway and Paris. It's great how positive you guys are about Voyager so far. This show gets so much criticism and negativity it's refeshing to see people enjoying it the way I do. Hope that continues!

Tim Nikiforovs

They heard the date for when the Romulans had an accident with the technology, and I guess missed they were talking about an event in the alpha quadrant

Shortskirtsandexplosions

I am so very glad that you both are now "full time" with this channel. That's great news and it makes me happy. I certainly am one of the "Voyager defectors," and while I maintain my lukewarm-esque opinion about Voyager as a whole, I'm not hatewatching your journey. I *want* y'all to enjoy yourselves, and maybe you'll teach me a thing or two about this series that I haven't considered seriously before.

Shortskirtsandexplosions

Take this episode for instance: I vaguely remember this being a boring time stroll through Calvin and Hobbes World with all of the plot being pathetically erased. But seeing it right now with y'all's commentary makes me appreciate Tom Paris' actions more and how stalwart and quick-witted Janeway is in a time travel situation. See? It's good shiet~

Matchstick Jose

Look, fellas, if you scale back to one Trek episode a month, DS9, VOY, and ENT can basically get you to retirement.

Worf and Riker Ride Again

I'm glad you guys are now living the dream - living doing a job you enjoy! If Josh already has experience as a D&D DM, you should totally do a TTRPG on Patreon at some point. Apparently there is a Star Trek version called 'Star Trek Adventures'. I'm glad you enjoyed this one, this to me is a standard mid-grade Voyager episode.

Philbot

Congratulations guys on being full time YouTubers! Awesome I hope it’s awesome. This other guy I follow he mostly does Star Trek/ comics and political commentary I heard he makes like 77k a year? 🤷‍♂️ But it’s great if you’re successful. You guys somehow got hung up on 100 years? 😂 Janeway and Tom have only travelled back in time a single day this civilization died a day ago..

Regan

I don't think that the lack of alien make-up was a budgetary issue. It was obviously so that the Captain and Paris could pass as natives.

Philbot

Prime directive can be kinda stupid there’s an episode I think Pen pals? Where Riker is like “maybe they are fated to die?” That’s stupid bullishit fate is not real you can’t make actual life or death decisions based on fate. What’s the worst that’s gonna happen the Mintakans will evolve into the worst evil race in 1000 years? It’s in 1000 years nobody who knows will be around to care.. 🙄 I forget when they were worried about the far flung long term consequences in the sector? Maybe homeward?

Philbot

I was noticing in the briefing room scene everyone is standing around but Chakotay is sitting on the table it felt more dynamic everyone else looks kinda awkward.

Philbot

No I want more! 🧜‍♀️ 🎶 I wanna be where the Trekkies are I wanna see, wanna see 'em watching. Working around on those, ships for what do you call 'em? Oh, fleet Clicking ' your pins, you don't drink at Quarks bar Legets and GUL’s forging, authoritarianism Strolling along down a, what's that word again? Promenade Up where they walk, up where they run Up where Jake and Nog have all of their fun Wanderin' free, wish I could be Part of Trek world What would I give if I could live through deep space battles? What would I pay to spend every day watching with them? Bet'cha at the end they understand Bet they don't understand the plot holes Bright young bro men, sick of jammin to TNG Ready to stand And ready to know what the Trekkies know Ask 'em lore questions and get some answers What's a fire Mr. Worf why Is time the fire in which we? Burn? When's it my turn? Wouldn't I love, love to explore space and Bashir love ? Out TNG Wish I could be Part of Trek world. 🎶 🖖 😂

Philbot

I think they want a “Space the final frontier we gonna be driving awhile here.” 🌌

Philbot

Only in like the one sense.

Philbot

He fixed her black eye in episode one. I think he repairs whoever comes in and doesn’t ask to many questions, but after seeing her 3 times and not finding any files he was probably like “ Hey I should ask who they are?”

JoeCensored

Was a day ago not 100 years. Tuvok was referencing a test disaster that the romulans had 100 years ago.

JoeCensored

Congratulations on going full time.

V G (Zay)

Yeah, I like the occasional mention or scene of them like...worrying about energy use, or gathering resources on an alien planet. But that would be pretty boring to focus on every ep. Even when people complain about the ship not showing damage, I'm like, don't insult Torres like that! She knows how to repair a ship! 😂

V G (Zay)

Tuvok and B'Elanna simultaneously whipping out their tricorders when it becomes clear Something Is Fishy is one of my favorite little moments 😆

Tim Nikiforovs

To be fair, Kim did have a GF back home, and he just finished 4 years of space university. If he wasn't putting out, I expect she'd have moved on.

Pixels At Dawn

I'm sure we'll get into it later in the series but I'm pretty much happy with how much they use the "premise". Classic Trek is always a hopeful look at the future - I don't really want bleak survivalist Trek where they're limping from planet to planet looking for deuterium, counting every last torpedo, all the while the Marquis and Starfleet crews are having phaser fights around the warp core. That would get old _fast_. It's not really suited to Trek for me - much better in a completely separate series.

Tim Nikiforovs

I don't think it's about Torres knowing how to repair the ship. You can have a fantastic mechanic, but they can't fix a car without parts and tools. Sure you can replicate most, though not all, of that. But you'd still need raw materials and fuel to power the process, and that's what has to be rationed. And obviously every episode shouldn't be "about" being short on resources or the ship falling apart. It should be more of a background thing that plays into what's happening in the current episode, just for a sense of continuity. Very minor spoiler here, but it's like in Enterprise one of the characters got a cut on their forehead in one episode, and for the next 4-5 eps the makeup reflected it was slowly healing. Stuff like that is just a nice attention to detail.

Pixels At Dawn

For people that haven't seen it, there's a really well-written Star Trek RPG on YouTube done with Star Trek Adventures called Shield of Tomorrow. They act it out so well, it just feels like a spin off series because the plot is really good. Maybe worth the guys checking out, maybe post Voyager as it's set around S4 of DS9 and hence spoilers, even though it's its own story. 53 episodes long!

Tim Nikiforovs

just googled that, and that is way too accurate😆

Tim Nikiforovs

Also for anyone who wanted that as a backdrop, Star Trek Voyager - Across the Unknown should scratch that particular itch when it releases in a couple days.

Matthew Ganz

I think you guys talked over the line. The federation banned the use of Polaric weapons 100 years ago after an accident with the Romulans. Paris and Janeway are transported 1 day back --- I.E the accident happens (in the original timeline) the day before.

Tim Nikiforovs

I would generally have rated this one a D for Don't Care, mostly because I find it particularly boring. Not like Imaginary Friend boring where it's flat out painful to watch. It's got just enough interesting elements to counter balance it to the point where I basically feel nothing watching it. Definitely one of the more uninspired alien designs. I will concede one of the comments did have a good point that they looked human so that Tom and Janeway could blend in, but I still can't fully give it a pass. There are however some good moments with Tom and the kid, and I like that Janeway pivoted so quickly when she realized it was their fault. Also compared to Code of Honor, there's nothing egregious here, though I still think A Man Alone was a bit better. C-. Once again though, this is my least favourite S1 episode, and it's just "meh", so if you're liking even this one as much as you do, it bodes well for the season.

TinMan_7B9

From last reaction's Belina to... Belayna (@55:38). Almost got it! Definitely improving!

Loot Narsbaar

I read Kim as being not a horn dog, and not comfortable with a casual roll in the hay. Doesn’t he and the long term GF are waiting until marriage to lay pipe

Brandon Blume

So nice to see you guys enjoyed both Parallax and Time and Again as you did! I was really excited about Voyager when it first came out and these first two standalone episodes really left a great impression on me. I love the sci-fi problems and the character moments. And a great use of Kes's apparent latent telepathic abilities.

Paul Penter

Wasn't expecting such a high rating from this reaction, thought you were going mid tier but glad you enjoyed it. Really happy you're enjoying Voyager so far. After TOS, Voyager is the show I rewatch the most. Glad you didn't let the negativity from some of these comments influence you.

Matchstick Jose

I don't agree that this episode makes an argument one way or the other for the Prime Directive. I don’t think it’s actually involved at all. They only go to the planet because it’s already dead. It’s not like they made a choice to intervene in a pre-warp civilization and that led to the planet’s destruction. The choice they made was to investigate a catastrophe and only through time weirdness did they end up being the cause. Don’t think the Prime Directive can be applied to dead civilizations. At that point, you're doing archaeology.

Carl Williams

I think the assessment that that wouldn’t be a good premise for Star Trek and that it works better on other shows is fair. The main argument I would make then would be, “then why did you make that the show’s premise?”

Zerocooleo

I disagree with putting aside the prime directive. Save the dinosaurs, doom the humans. Not every species will make it.

jon bolton

Okay guys the disaster happened only a day earlier, when Tuvok mentioned an incident 100 years ago he was talking about a similar disaster on a Romulan planet. I like this one, yet again i give B.

Carl Williams

I have to say, as someone who is not a big Voyager fan due to common reasons that I’m sure will get litigated into infinity during the watch of the series, im very glad the guys are enjoying it so much and have reasonable expectations rather than being a little sour on Voyager like me! It will be fun to see a genuine charitable take on the show from folks who also seem to be appreciating DS9. It would be a sad day that the guys are stuck watching a show that they’re bummed on week after week.

Numinous2019

I think the combination of DS9 and Voyager will really suit Alex and Josh. While Voyager has its issues, it's still i.m.o. the best of the post DS9-debut shows.

River Acheron

Yee, I see it now. If the boys are gonna get into this series, they gotta pay attention more than they usually do. I am not Voyager's biggest fan, but it requires a little more attention to the techo-babble unfortunately, and the sometimes convoluted plots. Especially in space/time/reality anomaly-episodes.

Numinous2019

Just wondering if the guys are in that exited phase when they start a ST show and get carried away a bit on that wave of feeling. I don't think this episode is in any way bad, but it also isn't convincing. I didn't expect early episodes to hit their stride, but the overal vibe of the early episodes did worry me.

Prof Moff

so he DOESN'T know where to put it

Sunny

I admit, I think I’d have been more into the episode if the clothes weren’t so…hmm otherwise, it’s still a good episode and nice to confirm that we aren’t stuck on a ship for seasons on end and can explore planets.

Numinous2019

Rick Berman tended to be risk averse. Voyager needed to committ to the consequences of Janeway's decision in 'Caretaker'. It seems that Voyager being the prioritised ST show (i.e. Paramount needed it to succeed in the ratings) resulted in a tonally inconsistent approach. Voyager also could not share continuity with other ST shows without creating problems for it, DS9 and the TNG movies. So....we got an all or nothing premise, with a non-all or nothing end result.

Forbidden Donut

As much as I've come to dislike time travel paradox BS, I still enjoyed this episode.

Clyde Frog

One little detail I enjoy about this episode that you guys missed is, when Janeway and Paris get their Burger King uniform clothing, you can see behind them that they traded their Starfleet uniforms in for them. Janeway's uniform is in the display window of the store on a mannequin or whatever. Nice job production crew for adding that little detail in.

Aramis Calcutt

This is what is meant by ignoring the premise—they’re not just cut off from annoying admirals in Starfleet. They are cut off from their entire civilization. They don’t know when or if they will have enough fuel or food to last more than X weeks or months. It’s a MINIMUM of 75 years until they can get home (unless something unexpected is discovered, which they can’t count on). They should be preparing for a 75-year voyage, which means they should be considering making this not just a Starfleet starship on a mission. They should be considering making this their ENTIRE LIVES. So that means what? A dictatorship by a captain and command structure decided by Starfleet in circumstances that no longer apply to them? They should be considering how to handle ideas of governing and individual freedom and how to balance that with practical survival. What might that mean? Maybe some kind of democratic representation in major decision-making? It might be hard to come up with such a system, but they need to start TALKING about it. And most of all—we need to start pairing up and having babies! We need to have people who can take over from us if and when we get too old and frail in the next 75 years. We need to consider whether to take on new crew members to replenish personnel who might become infirm or die. We need to consider what happens if we come upon a planet where at least some people decide to just live the rest of their lives there. Are you just going to assume that the captain can say “no, you can’t do that”? How would members of the crew—as individuals, in groups, and as a whole—feel about that? THAT’S the series of questions that the premise throws in your faces AS SOON AS you figure out “it might take us 75 or more years to get back to civilization.” The fact that Harry Kim can say “I’m not going on a double-date because I have a girlfriend back home and I am counting on the hope that’s she will just decide to wait for me for SEVENTY-FIVE YEARS” means that Harry Kim has given ZERO serious thought to the situation he is in. Okay, so that’s only one person on the ship. But, like, EVERYBODY ELSE on the ship is exactly like him and living in complete denial? This is supposed to be a crew of highly intelligent and highly trained people and they’re all just wearing impenetrable blinders? Okay, so maybe it hasn’t been that long yet. A few days? Weeks? Months? Maybe it hasn’t sunk in with everybody yet. But NOBODY? Not one of these highly intelligent people has even started to think through the implications of the situation they are in and started suggesting that they need to start considering fundamentally changing the way they are thinking about what this “mission” is now?

Anonymous Science

The prime directive is a narrative tool used to explore colonialism. Just building a military base near a primitive culture, like the indigenous people of Melanesia, and otherwise ignoring them, it caused the Melanesians to form a whole religion and cult, the cargo cults, which caused their entire people to become terrorists. Who Watches the Watchers is directly inspired by the Melanesian cargo cults. And beneficial interfering, like introducing antibiotics to primitive cultures, completely destroys them as their populations explode, and mass starvation, crime, etc. ensues. When more advanced cultures come into contact with less advanced cultures, every single time in human history the less advanced culture comes off worse from the interaction. This is what Roddenberry introduced the Prime Directive / General Order Number One to explore.

EmptyDice

Bell Anna. The name Anna is already pretty popular female name in the US, just add bell in front of it. The explosion on the planet happened at the start of the episode when they got hit by the shockwave and Kes woke up in panic, not 100 years in the past. Their guns looked like projectile weapons to me, not phaser. It probably sounded weird because they didn't use gunpower (look up "Gyrojet" for a real-life space-age gun). Everything went back to normal at the end because Janeway prevented the rescue attempt destroying the planet, so since the planet isn't destroyed, they didn't go there and didn't get stuck, completely closing the time-loop paradox. I love these science heavy episodes that add a touch of fantasy (time travel, Kes's dreams) in a very smart way that makes sense within the universe and respect the actual science behind it. The writers respected the audience's intelligence here.

Loot Narsbaar

This is why this show frustrated me in 90s. Now I realize the show was purposely done this way . Hard to discuss anything about this without spoilers.

Marissa

Thanks, I never noticed! I do hate the Bk unis lol

Marissa

I agree Voyager has problems, but not sure for the same reasons as others (I’ll be interested to hear more). Yet I love it nonetheless!

Ja Dav

If Josh likes episodes that planet hop, VOY does its fair share, and ENT had quite a bit of that. Two of ENT's most well known and controversial episodes were that type.

Anonymous Science

In terms of not using the premise, when most people watched the pilot, they expected it to be a serialized show in the style of DS9. They expected Voyager to be what the Battlestar Galactica remake was. Most people didn't realize the whole premise is just to get back to the TOS roots with episodic "on the frontier" Trek.

Marissa

Interesting take, I like it!

Loot Narsbaar

My episode 3 Grades Where No Man Has Gone Before B(?) Code of Honor (The TNG E of Es) A Man Alone (C) Time and Again (C) -Peak Performance is the most disappointing episode of TNG. How could they not have Riker use his secret one second warp jump to do the Picard Maneuver!!?! Fuck that Ferengi copout shit!! -Janeway was called "Nicole" initially. Her name was changed when Kate Mulgrew took over the role. -It makes sense Sisko has to grow into the role, he's a commander. He has much less experience than Picard. Janeway. and Kirk. He was an absolute badass in Paradise, but imo he arrives as being Captain material in Past Tense 2. -ALLOW ME TO SCREAM INTO THE VOID ****No time travel complaints hold up in Star Trek. As much as I hate Parallels, establishing infinite universe means establishing infinite timelines. Any change or paradox in the timeline is nothing more than a Worf Jump.**** -Enjoying how you guys are predicting what you patron takes you will find the most obnoxious.

Marissa

Your take is really interesting to me, would love more explanation- can you point out examples as we reach those episodes?? 🙏

Marissa

Yeah, Janeway PO’s me with her girls scout pov on the prime directive - I just can’t put philosophical morality over the crew’s welfare. But it makes for an interesting character (and longer show run) lol

Phillip Grischa

I like seeing Janeway and Paris together, It's cute knowing that Kate Mulgrew and Robbie McNeill quickly bonded over being the only cast members with young children at the time and became close friends. She called into his podcast a year or two ago and they talked about how their trailers on set were parked next to each other and how they would often just talk or listen to each others phone calls because neither of them would ever close their door and the doors faced each other, they were pretty much part of each others lifes during Voyager's run They still hang out, when they said goodbye on the podcast it was something like "Love you, see you on Sunday!"

Tim Nikiforovs

Agreed, thought might bump Where No Man up to A. A Man Alone I'd give a C, but high C vs low C for this.

Tim Nikiforovs

Me "I beam back to the ship" (rolls a 1) DM "At the moment of transport, an ion storm shorts out the Heisenberg compensators and your pattern is scrambled in transit. What they got back didn't live long, fortunately." Me "(sigh) Fuck."

Tim Nikiforovs

If holograms count, nobody is a virgin in the 24th century

Captkirc

Congratulations to the both of you in making this channel a full time career!

V G (Zay)

Janeway and Paris definitely have a fun dynamic. I like to imagine them hanging out after shift talking about being Starfleet/Admiral's brats 😂

AdmiralMurphy

I would also add to this that while BSG has a dark tone, when most people say Voyager should be more like BSG I do not think they believe it should add that dark tone. Maybe darker than TNG but not crazy dark like BSG got. I think people just expected it to be closer to DS9 when compared to TNG in that since Voyager is on its own each episode while it being episodic should overall add to this long adventure of getting home, with different elements having more carryover and more plots around the situation that TOS, TNG, and DS9 just can't explore.

Aaron Wells

Yeah, time travel in general makes no sense. Janeway even laughed off the idea of trying to understand it last episode. Which is valid. Makes for fun TV, though. And at least 2 fun Terminator movies that also made no sense.

ShazD

Watching you fail to grasp that the shockwave at the beginning was from the explosion that destroyed the planet was bizarre lmao. 2268 😂😂😂😂 Also Janeway's application of the prime directive stunk here as much as Picard's in "Homeward".

Doug

"S as in exactly what I want from this show" Voyager bros, I think we're gonna be alright

Jonathan Llyr

All I remembered from this episode was the annoying kid and the dreadful costumes. Not a favourite of mine by any means.

Scarpad’s Domain

Why do I feel if this was a DS9 episode they would hate it

John

It's nice that Voyager doesn't spend two seasons finding its legs. It's unfortunate that it never gets better than the first season. (Don't get me wrong, there are some [admittedly not many] REALLY GOOD episodes throughout, but it never achieves the sustained high quality of TNG or DS9.)

John

It's still new. They're going to rank episodes of Voyager higher for a while than a similar episode would be rated in DS9 right now, I suspect. Plus, this episode does bring back feelings of TOS, and the guys are nostalgic about old school trek. The newness will wear off and things will be back to level in a few episodes.

Scarpad’s Domain

Ah the First voyager Reset button ending a historic occasion

M.A. Moreno

This is a fine example of a mediocre TNG premise that feels more egregious in the context of Voyager's main conceit. I might care more about the ethics of saving Planet Shopping Mall if our characters weren't trying to get back home. But as it stands, it's not our problem. Stop wasting time on these pointless pit stops.

Tim b

It sounds like the show will be pretty much what you want it to be, it's just not what people were expecting when it launched.

Mark Chrisco

In a similar manner the way the glasses McCoy gave to Kirk, the uniforms wound back on the backs of Janeway and Paris.

Mark Chrisco

Janeway isn't married. Mark is her fiance

John

They were talking over Tuvok, so they didn't hear that the 2268 was a reference to year of an Alpha Quadrant ban on Polaric energy. They just heard 2268 and assumed that was the year the explosion happened, even though that assumption also makes no sense, because they were brought to the planet by the shockwave from the explosion.

John

My feelings on the episode are that it's a C episode. Might be a B just for the old school kitsch, but the "it was all a dream" resolution (contrary to almost all other time travel resolutions in Star Trek) really rankled me.

John M.

For detractors of the execution of the premise, what we wanted and expected was what we eventually got in Battlestar Galactica. (I will say I like Voyager season 1, though. It's 2 and 3 where it lost me.)

M.A. Moreno

Yes. It's obviously not going to feel exactly like either version of Battlestar Galactica, since this is Star Trek, but it shouldn't feel as though they're on a five-year mission right now, either. They're in an emergency situation.

Jason Aud

Where was the 100 years coming from? I only ever remember them being sent back the day before because of the explosion shockwave expanding backwards vs forwards but only one day. If talking about the ban on expementing with it in the 2260's that wasn't related to the time period of this incedent...only thing I can think of. They weren't detected there at the end because they were scanning for the combadges alert signal....they no longer had the combadges. I wondered if that would be mentioned, the two off the bat time shenanigan episodes but I liked them. I think the basis for the Prime Directive makes sense even if not all episodes/situations show or explore it in the best way. I'm thinking of a line later in Voyager so won't mention it here yet haha. Also an episode of the Orville in that they have a similar directive they had an episode that I more directly addressed it well....also a good show! Kes's feeling is reminiscent of Guinan in "Yesterday's Enterprise" or those kinds of instances....in the end she know's even if the others don't.

Nolan

The 2268 date was Tuvok giving an example of a known to OUR characters Polaric energy disaster that outlawed its use, as part of their investigation into the Polaric energy disaster that they JUST THEN felt the shockwave from. TA: Boo, this is needless exposition, we're checking out! Also TA: wait, what's going on? I dunno, I was only half paying attention to the exposition. I think it's: *wrong interpretation ensues.* TA audience: 🤨🫤🙄 😅😂

Carl Williams

This is the best outline of the situation. If at this point the series is not about the very obvious questions indicated above, you are automatically sacrificing some believability with your premise and the audience’s suspension of disbelief to a degree

Todd

This is an alright sci-fi episode for me. Could have happened in any series in the franchise. Probably exists more to delve into Kes's abilities that anything else. The next episode is much more engaging.

Jeff Cornell

I rank this episode as "okay". But I can't blame anyone for ranking it an E. After all, the episode literally erased *itself* from canon.

Paul

To be fair, if the journey home is 75 years, a few hour pitstop is hardly an issue.

Paul

I disagree it doesn't get better than the first season. The jump isn't as drastic as TNG S2 to 3 and beyond, because the starting level is so much higher. But, as you know, things happen that make it exceedingly good.

Paul

Safe to say, you're going to love Voyager. Congrats Alex on going full-time too! You seem much more chipper.

International Man of Leisure

A couple of things that got me thinking: 1. The "button". 2. Guess they felt we needed another Troi on board. I wonder if we'll be hearing more "Captain, I sense happiness & joy from the cheering, hugging people on the viewscreen."

Anthony Hernandez

Just for fun: Origin and history of flash-point flash-point(n.), "temperature at which vapor will ignite momentarily," 1869, from flash (v.) + point (n.). Figurative use by 1955. Slightly earlier as flashing-point (1867).

Some Guy

He was redacted from the files

Zerocooleo

B'Elanna Torres is phonetically pronounced buh-LAH-nuh TOR-ehz (/bəˈlɑːnə ˈtɔːrɛz/). The name is often pronounced with a slight emphasis on the second syllable "Lah" and sometimes interpreted as "Bay-Lanna". It is often spoken with a soft 'e' at the beginning and a clear 'a' sound for the final syllable.

Aaron Wells

To me Voyager is all over the place. I don't really think of it in terms of seasons... It's just once in awhile there's a great episode and sometimes there's a faceplant.

Aaron Wells

Don't talk about her age. It just makes Neelix even creepier. 😆

Andy Catton

Janeway said in “Caretaker” that they’d be continuing Starfleet’s directive of seeking out new life and exploring space, thus making pit stops a literal part of the show’s premise.

Andy Catton

I get annoyed by the “not utilizing the premise” line as well. In some ways, it comes across like a line someone used in a critique that tons of people just latched onto and ran with. Janeway said they’d be stopping along the way to explore, making any detour along the journey a part of the show’s premise.

John

I agree with @Aaron here. There are good episodes here and there, but looking at it as individual seasons.... This show contains my favorite character in the Doctor and has some good episodes, but it never manages the sustained high caliber of TNG or DS9. Which doesn't mean it's bad. It's still entertaining, it's just not as good as the rest of the treks in my personal opinion. But that's my opinion. YMMV. TA's MMV.

Tigers Fan

The ending is the featherweight equivalent of "Yesterday's Enterprise", as in the whole episode never happened and Guinan/Kes ask the Captain for some re-assurance everything is ok now... "Yesterday's Enterprise" had heft though. This does not.

Summer

Just thinking of this episode, not comparing it to anything, nothing meta, nothing big picture, its a B

TanyoScatto

Well this episode is boring, doesn't develop the overarching narrative, and doesn't have any character development, but at least it doesn't make any sense

THE Fans

It bodes well that you guys like these early episodes. There's many early episodes that I'd put in the category of DUET. One episode I didn't originally like for some reason, but now I love it... looking forward to that reaction.

THE Fans

Someone please make cuts of these guys comments ... for future reference.

Dark Kronis

gotta love the low effort on aliens species just being a colored t-shirt

Some Guy

My dad would joke that they could've used the Gilligan's Island theme

Some Guy

He probably doesn't need neurology files to heal a black eye, but when someone comes in with psychiatric complaints, he looks up the reference material at last.

BN13

By not using the premise, I think people wanted the show to be more like the Battlestar Gallactica remake where the show is focused more on survival. Things like, how are they going to survive out here without a star base ? Or how bad is the tension going to be between the Maquis and Starfleet crews regarding decisions affecting their survival? They didn't just want TNG or TOS all over again with a new backdrop.

Daniel Lysohirka

Saves on budget for location and effects, and Okudagrams.

Summer

As I have said elsewhere I did see a lot of TNG the series and TOS movies as a kid, and though I saw Enterprise when I was in my early twenties, it was Voyager that brought me back to Trek in my mid twenties, and started in season 2 so I saw these after some of those, I still love early Voyager

HeatheЯ

An S???? Lol. Okay trying to be open minded but some of the acting in this is so cringe. It's fun hearing how excited your guys are about this ep even though I'm not there.

HeatheЯ

candy corn outfits! LOL, - Hmmm that's interesting, people saying they're not utilizing the premise of being so far from home? Voyager is not my favorite Star Trek series, but i felt like they utilized that premise in a great way throughout the entire show.

Gerald Conde

Ugh I've hated this episode. A boring C at best.

Steve777

I never really understood the dislike for Voyager. It was one of my favorite Star Trek series. It’s premise is basically like TOS and TNG but as they are finding their way home. I really like how one of the goals was to keep Gene Roddenberry‘s original premise in the series. But still add some additional things that Roddenberry wouldn’t have done.

BN13

I do like this episode. I especially liked it my first time watching the show. However, once Janeway and Paris start getting grilled by the rebel faction who refuses to believe them no matter what they say for 20 mins straight, I get super bored of the banter. Once Janeway reveals who she really is, the episode feels like it comes to a hault, just padding it's time until it's revealed that they were the ones who caused the explosion. Sure, Paris sacrificing himself was good, but I wish they would have done something more interesting during those 20 mins on the planet than just being interrogated and used by people we don't like and don't care about. Maybe they should have made those characters sympathetic instead? Spend those 20 mins getting us to care about these people and their cause? All in all, a B from me.

TalynOne

I'm not going to comment on this episode since it never happened.

Hat

The problem with that, is the show was never pitched as a "mutiny/resource management" show. It was pitched as a, "back to basics, no more alpha quaderant politics" show, which is what it was. Given the warp core produces several stars worth of energy, and a single star sustains a planet, they can replicate anything they need as long as the warp core is online. Even the mutiny angle doesn't make a lot of sense. The Maquis had disagreement over a peace treaty, 70,000 light years away, and half of them were prior Starfleet. The best you could hope for, is a willingness to challenge Janeway, which happens quite often. If you wanted a mutiny, you'd need a Klingon crew on the ship, or a Cardassian crew. If you wanted a resource management show, you needed the warp core offline, but then how are they going to get back? Ron Moore has always said the biggest challenge with writing for Star Trek, is the replicator. It creates so many challenges to tension in a plot because someone can always just replicate a solution. Hence, I view the premise, as what the show pitched... a modern TOS.

Hat

Yeah, but BSG uses a liquid fuel for their propulsion and energy. That is a much more finite energy source than a warp core, which is equivalent to several stars, and a single star has enough energy to sustain a planet for millions of years. The idea people have of rationing food and water, doesn't make a lot of sense. As long as the warpcore is running, those things can be replicated with almost no cost.

Hat

I really don't agree at all. S1 ranks #5 out of 7 seasons for me. Season 5 is my favorite. It has 18 out of 26 episodes I like, and of the other 8, 6 of them try something significant but just fails which is respectable.

Hat

Yesterday's Enterprise is also one of the best episodes in TNG. This is just the 3rd episode of S1. Every episode of TNG wasn't compared to Yesterday's Enterprise, don't know why that is the bar for Voyager.

Hat

But the show was pitched as a back to basics Star Trek show. If you wanted a different show, I get the disappointment, but that show wasn't what was pitched beforehand, during or after the show, nor was it in its first episode.

Hat

But BSG uses a liquid fuel, and they don't have a replicator, and they have a massive civilian population. Voyager has a Warpcore, that produces energy that is greater than our own star, which can sustain us for hundreds of millions of years. It also has no civilian population. That version of the show just wouldn't happen.

Aramis Calcutt

That’s a REALLY low bar. Better than Enterprise, Discovery, Picard … that doesn’t take much.

BN13

I never said mutiny. I said "tensions between the Maquis and Starfleet crews regarding decisions affecting their survival." In other words, Idealism vs Pragmatism. There are a lot of people who feel that the show should have used the premise of the mixed crews to focus more on the theme of Idealism (Starfleet) vs Pragmatism (Maquis) to test the limits of Starfleet ideals.

MartyMc

Planet Burger King. 😆

Some Guy

Regarding the absence of tension in an episode where they have a chance of getting home, you can still have tension in this context by the prospect of shortening their journey. You're not going to keep a show running for 70 years. This isn't Doctor Who.

Dr. Paul Stubbs

My take for this episode was: >I love how Tuvok stops the episode right before the finale just to throw shade at Kes's purported psychic powers. He doesn't have anything to add or a different suggestion to make, he just wants everyone to know that believing Kes is illogical. Glad you two caught it too.

Capture The Moment

If the little blonde boy looked familiar he was the little blind boy in Dumb and Dumber that bought their dead parakeet

Kt B

Um, this is kinda brilliant. Did you write it all yourself?

#MaxwellDidNothingWrong

Now I remember why I hate this episode. NO BALLS If they had committed to killing off that planet as a result of the rescue it could have been great. But to hit that reset button and then pad your time at the end with nonsense repeat scenes that serve no purpose?? What a waste.

Ficial Intelligence

Heads up. Janeway DOUBLES as the ships Chief Science Officer. She's essentially the Captain AND Spock // Picard AND Data // Sisko AND Jadzia ...

SGHollywood

I'm glad that Josh likes the away missions so much, because Voyager has some of the craziest away missions in the Delta Quadrant. On the topic of the Prime Directive, it's still a vital part of the philosophy of Trek. It's based on the idea that there are almost never good results when we interfere with primitive cultures. The franchise is also very secular humanist and rarely acknowledges any higher power at work, but the rule is erring on the side of caution that just in case species have a fate to not change it. They address consequences on series like Lower Decks.

ShazD

Nothing about this episode is approaching S, bizarre.

Ron

To me, that planet's clothing style looked like a Dig Dug level.

Play Seven Days explicit by Jungkook

Actually this episode shows the prime directive should not be followed. If Janeway never revealed themselves, she wouldn't have been in the exact spot to stop the destruction of the planet. It was her interfering and telling them the truth that caused them to give her the phaser and let her closed the rift.

Evan Ardolino

Phew, good thing they looked exactly like humans

Evan Ardolino

Also, I'm guessing you guys know this already but the actors for Kim and Paris did a podcast called The Delta Flyers (videos on patreon, audio on spotify etc) where they watch the whole show (they are now watching DS9 with Jadzia's and Quark's actors). Really great behind the scenes stuff for each episode, plus Robert Duncan McNeill (Paris) is a director and has really great insights into how it was shot.

Brn

I assume because of copyright, but any way to run these both playing at the same time? I'm on my phone.

MertzRocks

Director and producer. Resident Alien is a great example - with Alan Tudyk.

MertzRocks

Harsh, dude; but okay that's your prerogative... It might have been better placed a few eps later but I like it.

Alex

It seems like there's some differences in the episodes on prime vidéo where im Watching vs whatever platform you guys are using - I think there's a different length of gap after the intro sequence. Any chance you can make it easier to visually resync more often?

Sherpa Jones

Thats way too dark a concep for the third episode of a new series.