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(TD Early Access) UNCUT - Star Trek: First Contact (1996) | Star Trek Journey 439 (Patreon)

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River Acheron

At work! GAAAHHH. Ima punch out early fuck it

Dead Hedge

My girlfriend used three different YouTube accounts to Like the trailer, and she doesn’t even know what Star Trek is

TC Green

OH HELL YEAH!!

KingPin124

Oh damn. I thought this was tomorrow. I’ll still have to wait until then, but looking forward to it.

Murtaugh

Damn I gotta wait till later to watch this, I'm really excited to see what you think of the movie!

nicerDicer

I’m really hyped to see what you think of the first action-blockbuster-style Star Trek film :)

Murtaugh

Some might say, the First Contact with this post...

Heespharm

Oh god oh god I’m so excited I hyperventilated a little

Trekkie74205

I was so sure it would be up tonight, I planned my evening around it.

Heespharm

Thank you for making my Saturday night by dropping this

TC Green

Yes that is Adam Scott piloting the Defiant!!

Heespharm

Sorry to post again but I just started it and Had to explain to my dog that she wasn’t getting a walk until after the movie… she was very understanding mainly bc I gave her dinner early to make up for it

Raven

I've been rewatching some of the 13 shows and they really are almost halfway through! Mad respect for the dedication.

Lost Monk

Guys, this is really annoying. I have work to do. Now you got me distracted. Damn it. Oh well -- here I go. Jumping in with you.

Brendon Waldron

I knew you'd do this! And I hoped you'd do this because I've got the day off haha

James H

Yes, Cochrane said in Metamorphosis that he was an old man and the Companion rejuvenated him.

Ryan

LET’S GO. 🚀 (That’s the Phoenix launching.)

Breakingthenotion

This is the second Brannon Braga story where you guys guessed it would end in a time loop or an erasure.

Jonathan Fly

None of the Star Trek movies ever really felt like they were the same genre as the television show. I haven't watched this in 20 years but I remember being disappointed it was mostly an action movie even at the time.

misti-step

so glad to be here ❤️❤️ love all you guys

misti-step

i always think ur user icon is the skyline logo

TC Green

It's the mission patch for STS-49, the maiden flight of the Space Shuttle Endeavour.

Tim Nikiforovs

That's a face that says "Don't apologize. It's been the highlight of my day. Don't....do it again."

Tim Nikiforovs

I do agree an extra half hour for more character moments wouldn't have hurt

The_Dahar_Master

I can't understand your disdain for the character of Lily. Alfre Woodard's character was totally necessary. An outsiders perspective was needed to convince Picard to blow up the ship. None of the other members of the crew dare to disobey Picard, Worf tried and look how he discarded him. So a third character not under the command of the Captain was totally necessary in order to confront him.

Nolan

From Descent, Part 1, as the crew discuss the energy conduits the Borg are using to cross vast distances of space, the ONLY onscreen evidence up till now of Borg Presence in the Delta Quadrant. So of course it was common knowledge.

Back Flip Bet

The crew is dressed up as 2060 humans thats why Barclay looks like that, lol you guys sometimes

Trekkie74205

I love this movie so much. Meeting the Vulcans is literally the birth of Star Trek. Tom Hanks (a Trek fan) was the first thought to play Zefram Cochrane. Some idiot straight out said Frakes directed First Contact in one of Josh's lives. I was hoping he didn't catch it. I was surprised about your reaction to Lily. I always thought she was a lovely character. Alfre Woodard is also Jonathan Frakes godmother. The original script had Picard on Earth and Riker on the Enterprise. Patrick Stewart asked for it to be swapped so he could be an action hero. You guys make so many assumptions and rush to be negative. You were upset about Barclay before you even saw what was happening. You were picking apart the Borg being from the Delta Quadrant. The Delta Quadrant is a quarter of our galaxy. Voyager has seen very little of it so far. Ok, I am done being negative about you being negative. Great reaction. I enjoyed watching along with TA very much. LLAP.

TalynOne

Completely agree, first time in 25+ years of fandom I heard anyone say Lilly is unlikeable. The rest of the crew are his subordinates and would be relieved of duty if they went against Picard. You could maybe get Doctor Crusher to say he's unfit, but that's way messier and aint nobody got time for that.

Target Audience

My questions about the delta quadrant thing wasn’t negative at all I was genuinely curious lol

Heespharm

I liked the character but they could have easily written around not having her and used the cast more… I like that she’s in the movie basically bc she’s Jonathan Frakes “godmother”

Heespharm

Ok dogs been walked now… she gave it four paws up! (Not a pic from tonight but it fit, also not lady like of her)

tyranusfan

Do you think those guys from Temporal Investigations visited the Enterprise after they got back?

StealthMomo

@42:05 They said the thing! 😂

Chris Nunnally

A hell of a ride and a fun reaction!! Made my night.

Nolan

In my opinion, Lily HAD to be the one to call Picard out. It's not just that she's an outsider, but that she's literally a person from the era Picard is so proud of having "more evolved sensabilities" than, and she's the one, also literally calling bullshit with her colorful metaphors on his behaviours. She survived WW3 and even SHE thinks he's being ridiculous. She is the mirror to him - the one to contrast his typical moral, upstanding character who believe humanity has grown, with what his pain, fear and hate has lead him to act like. And Lily, she hears about this oh so wonderful future, humanity makes it, but then sees Picard be this ugly vengeful person and is like, "woah, is this the future?" Especially considering all the horrors and shit she must've seen, again, surviving an actual nuclear apocalypse. So in that way, Picard and her share a bond, both having witnessed and survived awful things, and what Picard will miss is likely the bluntness of her personality compared to the more reserved, respectful, less raw dynamic of the future that kept him honest. Yeah, it sucks the other members of the crew don't have more scenes in favour of that, but storywise I got why it's Lily. The TNG movies are kinda the inverse of the TOS ones. In TOS, the rest of the characters got moments and stuff, but it feels like the movies went out of their way to highlight them, whereas TNG was a great ensemble she and the movies can't quite figure out how to fit them in.

Carl Williams

FigURed YoU guYS WoUlD haTE it. UnSUbScriBed. Anyway, great reaction/discussion. I’m always interested in modern reactions to this as my view is always colored by the fact that this movie was seen through my shell-shocked 8-year-old eyes. To me at the time it was so different visually that it was just like the pinnacle of film for a child. If interested in minutiae, you can find the first draft of the script online, which is COMPLETELY different, and finds Picard on Earth with the Phoenix, RIker on the Enterprise, and Zephram Cochrane comatose for the whole film. All changed when Patrick Stewart basically said “hey Ive been working on these biceps for a year and I wanna show them off”. Interesting stuff.

Paul O'Neal

Man, I was up until 2:30 AM finishing the reaction after being up early, working all day, and gaming Friday night. Worth it. Great reaction, guys!

Forbidden Donut

You know who else they could have written to be there to stand up to Picard in the conference room instead of Lily? Captain Sisko! I wish he was on the Defiant for this.

NotMinuet

Yes the outsider was needed for parts of that scene, agreed. I personally have always liked Lily and thought the writers put her in the movie to show that some things never change … not to get too historical here but a woman being the brains/driving force behind the scenes of space travel is not new, showing it repeats into the future is a fantastic small add by the writing team. That said, I do see what Josh/Alex mean when they reference a lack of previous emotional weight in her scenes with Picard. I hadn’t thought of it that way before, after their comments I wondered how different the scene would have been if Beverly had followed Lily into the ready room. Sharing some of the trauma of that scene with Beverly would have been fascinating and offered even more from a tormented Picard. Now I feel cheated haha.

Bert

Good thing we had the Bell Riots so that we could have World War 3.

Brendon Waldron

Great reaction, I'm glad you liked it about as well as I expected you to, I'm sorry for the beating you're gonna take for not universally loving it.

NotMinuet

The Borg were visually mapped to the Delta Quadrant in the Season 6 TNG episode "Descent" via a background graphic. Shocking you don’t remember 🤪🙃😂😂😂 it was an obscure reference but this saves you having to Google it.

Target Audience

Par for the course, not our first rodeo, insert other saying etc.

friedo

If two captains occupy the same space at the same time it causes a subspace explosion.

Brendon Waldron

But what does he do for the rest of the movie other than get in the way of this being a TNG movie and overshadow it?

Forbidden Donut

I'd cut Lily out and have Sisko and Picard together on the Enterprise, giving them scenes to bury the hatchet, get to know one another, Sisko talks Picard out of being Ahab, and they leave on good terms and respecting and appreciating one another.

Dani

I just watched it woots! I watched it with the subtitles on and heard in the battle at Earth the Defiant getting commands. Plus I wonder how long it takes for the Enterprise E to get from the Romulian neutral zone to Earth and how long did the defiant need to hold out? Also this does feel a little like a horror movie but that might be because I’ve been watching a ton of horror movies. did the time travel agents from DS9 tribble episode mentioned Enterprise E kind of? I liked Lily she’s an astronaut, but then got to go on the enterprise instead. Neat! My favorite Star Trek movie🩷

Greg Quinn

Good reaction, nothing unreasonable

Collin Freeman

If you were any other reaction patreon I would cancel you where you stand! (But in this case, I'll just gleefully watch along.) Glad you enjoyed it.

Regan

Josh: That's my motto- "Keep her unconscious" :P

Brendon Waldron

For giving Deanna something to do, Cochrane goes from running away and being shot in the back to the next scene where he's "ready to make history haha" and I think in between there would have been a great scene for her to talk to him since she wasn't on the Enterprise to talk to Picard.

Brendon Waldron

Which would get in the way of this being a TNG movie and overshadow it.

Nolan

"I'm okay with time travel here, because it's still travelling to our future." "Past Tense" enters the chat.

Jack Mingle

Hilarious how Alex called it in the Voyager 2 parter. A time travel first contact on earth situation.

Matchstick Jose

I have sometimes done a thought experiment imagining if Berman told Ron he could bring two DS9 characters with Worf on the Defiant for the movie, who would you bring? Dax and O’Brien would be fun, I think.

Nolan

Nah, Sisko wouldn't be talking Picard out of shit. Borg bastards murdered his wife. He designed a ship to kill Borg after that. He'd be going down with Picard.

Brendon Waldron

"I have a couple of patients here who insist on coming to the bridge..." The Adam Scott cameo was cool, but since they were bringing Worf back to the TNG fold, it would have been the perfect opportunity to bring back the OG TNG to DS9 character, Chief! With Geordi on the planet, he could have handled some of the engineering things on the Enterprise, I'm sure he's such a genius that he'd know his way around a ship he's never been on before. At least I'd prefer that to the Sisko suggestions...

Loot Narsbaar

Tom Riker was the first to call the Defiant a "Tough little ship."

mistabaka

I genuinely don’t think Lilly was written to be unlikable. You just don’t like her. (Which is fine, but I don’t believe it was the intention).

Anthony Goodwin

Alfre Woodard is actually Jonathan Frakes' godmother in real life.

Target Audience

I don’t think it was the intention, only the result (for me)

Nolan

The irony of giving Lily flack for not knowing Moby Dick, meanwhile, when I read it last year, imagine my surprise to find out Picard mis-quoted it: "He piled upon the whale's white hump the sum of all the general rage and hate felt by his whole race from Adam down; and then, as if his chest had been a mortar, he burst his hot heart's shell upon it." Guess he never read it either. 🤣🤣

Knightwing69

Or one of them to die in railing

Nolan

2024 WAS the future when the episode was made. 🙃

Ryan

Fantastic reaction. Why is it fantastic? Because it's exactly how I feel! There's so much I love about this movie, but. But. I had a friend who got a B on a group project in college, and his professor's comment was, "This was too good not to have been better." Exactly.

Heespharm

I love that Robert picardo got the part in first contact by “casually” mentioning that it didn’t make sense that Voyagers sickbay was more technologically advanced than the enterprise’s to Rick berman, Ron Moore and Jonathan Frakes … there’s a great video of him telling the story on yt but it has some directors spoilers in it for future voyager episodes

River Acheron

Probably not because from their perspective maybe all this was SUPPOSED to happen. We don't know. :) Wibbly Wobbily Timey Wimey stuff to quote The 10th Doctor.

Heespharm

Not really his godmother in the religious sense.. she just said that Jonathan could call her that as a joke and it stuck

River Acheron

Yee. The Delta Quadrant is the Borg's origin. As to your question why Voyager has not encountered them, it's helpful to remember a Quadrant is literally 1/4th of an entire galaxy! It's massive!

Heespharm

Yeah I think it’s more of when they sub out your favorite quarterback so you naturally resent the incoming quarterback even tho he does an adequate job… they could have written around lily’s expositional beats with crew members

Heespharm

Weyoun and brunt lol

Collin Freeman (edited)

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2026-10-19 10:00 Yeah, Alfre Woodard's scene with Picard should have been between Crusher and Picard, or Deanna and Picard..
2026-10-18 03:50 Yeah, Alfre Woodard's scene with Picard should have been between Crusher and Picard, or Deanna and Picard.

Yeah, Alfre Woodard's scene with Picard should have been between Crusher and Picard, or Deanna and Picard.

tyranusfan

"So, you're not contending that this was a pre-destination paradox?" "Uh, no." "Good. We hate those."

River Acheron

I'll be the first to admit I was mistaken. I enjoyed this movie way more than when I watched it the first time. Maybe mindset is everything. I was probably distracted on PS5 as well, as I have multiple pc screens lol. This time I gave it my undivided attention and you know what? It's solid! I DO have issues with it. Action is one of my least favorite genres (at least hand to hand or guns etc. I do like space battles!) and it's an issue I have with MOST Trek movies...the weird insistence that they are action movies first. Although the horror in this movie, and there WAS horror, brought things back to MY tastes. Also, Lilly was annoying. Not my favorite character at all. Finally, WAY WAY too little of the cast outside of Data and Picard. Like, they shoehorn Worf in and somehow get him over from DS9, which would be fine...but my god, could we use him a little more and make it worth it? That being said, I did have a good time rewatching this and liked it better than I remember. If you asked me earlier today, I would have given it a C. Right now, I'll gladly say it hit B+ for me. I also gotta say before I forget, while I hate the idea of the Borg having a face/The Queen....i did like her far more than I remembered. The Queen's design and even her motivations are pure Cenobite! You could put her in a Hellraiser movie and I would buy it and be sold. I actually wonder if Hellraiser was an inspiration for her! Gotta be! Here's the thing too. I'm not really a major fan of the Trek movies in general. I prefer the series and that format, be it an arc or episodic. But there's something about what they do with the movies that's less appealing to me....maybe it's the action stuff as I said. But that aside, judging this AS A MOVIE, yeah, ima say B+ ps: Yeah, you guys are right. It feels like scenes got cut. Not a major issue for me but when you mention it, I can't help but notice. Especially with Picard and Lily and ya early in the movie there was bizarre tonal shifts and also the first 15 minutes seemed to happen WAY too fast. So either cut scenes or a big pacing problem.

Target Audience

Also if the new QB was just yelling and pointing a gun at the head coach for like 15 minutes

Brendon Waldron

And spoil it in the credits since the guys love that "With Jeffrey Combs and Jeffrey Combs

Dipper

Imagine if you will: Crusher leads the wounded into the Jeffries tubes, out of Sickbay. The others go on ahead, but Lily, instead of sneaking off alone, snatches Crusher aside and knocks her out. When Picard finds Lily, she already has Crusher at phaserpoint and instead of a quasi-romantic bond, a three person bond forms between them all. Crusher is tasked with some MacGuffin to keep her out of the holodeck for the tommy gun scene, perhaps her task is to get to a transporter room and beam Picard and Lily out of the Holodeck when the other forty Borg, aware through the collective consciousness that two of their fellows just died, start for the holodeck to swarm the door. Instead of being the butt of a sarcastic rebuke, Crusher comes up the ladder with Picard and Lily to tell the group about the beacon. While the zero-G sequence is going on, we cut once or twice to Crusher and Lily having a conversation that completely and unabashedly fails every single standard of the Bechtel test, including explaining to Lily about Picard's history so that we can get that exposition out of the way earlier and maybe add to the tension of him facing them outside the deflector dish. Finally, when Picard orders everyone to stay and fight and calls Worf a coward, Lily and Crusher give each other knowing looks. They go in together for the intervention, with Lily providing the outside necessary stuff and Crusher providing the emotional attachments. Adds maybe 2.5 minutes of runtime to the film in exchange for giving an established TNG character an entire arc.

Dipper

Two favorite moments: 1. FINALLY, someone properly reacting to the EMH reveal because they didn't jump to these movies before starting Voyager. ;) So, so good to see. 2. The boys debating during the holodeck scene which episode The Big Goodbye was in, and Picard seemingly scolding them directly: "No, no, no, look at me!" :)

Regan

Warp 1 is the speed of light. It takes light from the sun 8 minutes to reach Earth, so after the short amount time the Phoenix travelled at warp 1 they would still be pretty close. It would take 11 hours just to cross the solar system at warp 1. The warp scale increases exponentially, so warp 2 is 10x lightspeed, warp 3 is 39x lightspeed, warp 4 is 102x lightspeed, etc.

StonyD

It had just enough Troi for me. Could have used more Crusher. Would have liked some Chief. And something I've always wondered: Is "Ruby" in the Holodeck, the blonde, the same actress/character that played Picard's secretary in those detective stories on TNG? "Glor-ee-ah...from Cleev-land" that woman.

StonyD

Cochrane went Warp 1 (1 x the speed of light). Light takes at least four minutes to get from the Sun to Earth. They went to Warp 1 for, what, one minute? So he should be somewhere a little further than the Moon imo

Target Audience

Oh god, I’m cringing imagining a reactor watching this and having no idea who the doctor is 😖

Brendon Waldron

You'd have to read it to get it wrong, you can't just make that line up. And considering people will misquote a video they'd literally just watched in the comments section, maybe it has been a while...

River Acheron

To appreciate how fast that is, my astronomy professor has a great example. If you were granted light speed for just one second and started in New Jersey and ran to Los Angeles. (running at light speed for a single second only)....you would make the ROUND TRIP back and forth 38 times!!! Thinking along those lines really makes you appreciate how fast that is. My professor is all about using examples like that. Yes, it's often taught that its 670.6 million miles per hour, or 186,000 miles per second, but that doesn't let us really understand how fast that is.

StonyD

I think Crusher could have replaced Lily in the Moby Dick scene. Bones, as the chief medical officer AND as Kirk's friend, was always the one to go to him in private and be like "what the hell you doing, man?" Crusher would have been the one to listen to him cop an attitude with Worf, not say anything, and then follow him into the conference room. That could have been Crusher's greatest scene in Trek. She was there with him during Locutus, and it would have fit her relationship with Jean-Luc.

Collin Freeman

I think even 10-15 minutes more would have sufficed.

Saucy

I can't believe they hated the entire thing. But in all seriousness great reaction the only thing I found odd was Josh thinking Lilly was written to be unlikable.

Regan

When the TNG team were first coming up with the idea for the Borg, they were originally going to be an insect race. They realised that they didn't have the budget to pull that off, so they made them cyborgs instead.

Loot Narsbaar

My absolute favorite part was Alex roasting Patrick Stewart for demanding to be an action hero

Loot Narsbaar

I know this movie got roasted pretty good in the Patron Takes, but at least it's better than Warlord

reactive1

Yes, your shirt was a spoiler Alex. 😊

Loot Narsbaar

When they rewatch this in 39 years they can bitch about it being set in the current day.

Matchstick Jose

One thing I never quite got in the Lily-Picard conference room scene is why Picard goes from raving maniac to perfectly calm and reasonable in the space of time it takes Lily to say “You broke your little ships.” It seems unmotivated and I always wonder if they cut something out of that scene that would explain it.

Loot Narsbaar

This is total nerd shit, but if the Gamma Quadrant is the Dominion, and the Alpha and Beta the Federation, process of elimination must mean the Borg are in the Delta Quadrant

Matt Millard

The "moby dick" scene in the observation lounge is regarded as one of the best scenes in Star Trek history. It amazes me that you crapped all over it being Lily instead of "one of our characters". It had to be an outside character in order to make it work. Ugh.

Loot Narsbaar

Is it regarded as one of the best in Trek history? First I've heard.

Loot Narsbaar

The TV sets were awesome! It’s Producer/Suit brain at its worst demanding the D be blowed up! I guarantee you they obscured the Defiant interior because they thought it would look too cheap in HD on the big screen. We saw the D in 4K, it looked great!

Some Guy

I'm planning a party for April 5 2063

Vina

It's a bit over 8 minutes from the earth to the sun, and only a little over a second from earth to the moon. If they went around a minute, it would have taken them about 1/3 the way to Mars' orbit

Target Audience

I didn’t mean she was written to be unlikable, but that the writing made her unlikable (to me)

Vina

This is my favorite TNG movie and maybe my top 3 Trek movies. The Vulcans as our first contact, the Borg have never been scarier, Picard having some emotional catharsis about lingering issues about the Borg, and Picard and Data's friendship. James Cromwell was great as Cochrane; people have wonder why he looks so old but he's supposed to be 33 in-universe, and lots of people have speculated the hard post-war life and maybe even some radiation issues wore on him. I disagree with the take about Lily. She came onto the ship terrified and confused, and has an outsider perspective, and I think she was the only one who could have pushed back at Picard as much as was needed to get him to relent and activate the self-destruct, he can't merely pull rank on her. If I could have changed one thing it would be the Vulcan reveal: we see when they come out of the ship very early on it's Vulcans, and that sort of deflates the emotional climax of the music when the lead Vulcan pulls his hood back. If their faces had been kept obscured until that unhooding, it would have been perfect to me: music swells, and OMG it's a Vulcan! I also love the 1701-D more too. The E is a fancy ship, technologically superior in-universe, but it doesn't have the homey feeling the D does.

Paul

Picard has a very high level of metacognition. He instantly reflected on his outburst, how incoherent and emotional it was, and self-regulated (to an extent).

Paul

Hating Lily is the most surprising aspect of the reaction imo. I never thought much of her either way, her purpose is to act as a mirror for Picard to find his way back to his humanity. She serves that function very well.

Paul

Or 299,792,458 meters per second (yes I have that memorized God I'm a nerd)

Scribe31oz

The first contact between humans and Vulcans in this film just hits in all the right spots. For those of us who read the books prior to TNG's appearance, it was established that Vulcans and Humans were the main architects of the Federation. Their partnership though contentious at first works very well. This was the perfect way to begin that relationship. The music here is one of the best Jerry Goldsmith produced for this franchise. I tend to disgree with Lily being unlikelable because none of the others would have spoken to Picard that way. The only reason I think Worf did was because he became used to Sisko 's style of command. Beverley wouldn't have done it in a million years.

Coach Mac

I’ve been coaching hockey for 17 straight hours. I’m now lighting a cigar at midnight to do this… oh please. I’m so pumped. Let’s go

Prof Moff

STAR TREK FIRST CONTACT SEX SCOREBOARD We at the Sex Scoreboard have a correction. A BIG ONE. Riker 15 Troi 7 Picard 4 Dr. Bev 4 Worf 3 Data 2 -1 / +1 NEW Geordi 2 GUEST: Zefram Cochrane 1 DETAILS: First the bad news. For YEARS we have given Data a score for Jenna. It looked like they did it. By the very loose rules of the Sex Scoreboard, we assumed they did it. WE WERE WRONG. Data tells the Borg Queen that the last time he had sex was with Tasha Yar. So after an emergency meeting of the Sex Scoreboard Committee: Jenna -1. We apologize to Jenna for falsely accusing her of getting Data processed. BUT fortunately Data fixes the problem by banging the Borg Queen. Ummm yeah? Borg Queen +1 NEW. So Data loses a woman, gains a Borg Queen, and somehow his score stays exactly the same. Apparently even in the 24th century you can upgrade without changing your Data plan. Now Troi. Troi gets absolutely hammered. Given the incredibly low standards of evidence used by the Sex Scoreboard, we naturally assumed somebody was getting a +1. Riker was there. Cochrane was there. RIZZ was there….. NOPE. Somehow drunk Troi bangs NOBODY. Good thing I was not there (I was in my 20’s). Drunk Troi +0. She lost her sobriety. She lost her ability to sense emotions. She nearly lost consciousness. But she did not lose her pants. (We are pretty damn sure Lwaxana did somewhere in the Galaxy.) The Sex Scoreboard is disappointed in everyone involved.

Nolan

What would you do if you just survived a war, were working on an advance bit of technology and suddenly woke up in some unfamiliar place that was being attacked, surrounded by unfamiliar people after your own compound was attacked? Calmly ask for some Earl Grey? Lady got abducted and has no idea what is going on. And I garauntee you, time travelling humans stopping cybernetic aliens from sabotaging her and her friend's flight to easier conqure humanity would not be her first guess.

Paul

I do think replacing her with Beverly could have served the same function though.

psu01414

I know I'm very much in the minority with this one because I do not like the Borg. I remember being so excited to see this in the theater and just completely tuned out about 20 minutes in because of how much of the storyline involved the Borg. For me there's nothing in this movie that raises it out of the E-tier.

Summer

Tenth rewatch, Deanna has the best lines in this movie

Neil

Great reaction as always, glad you enjoyed it, loved the reactions to seeing The Doctor and Reg. As for the fact that Lilly was the one to confront Picard , I think it had to be her. A member of the crew even Beverley who is closer to him than anyone, or Deana wouldn't be able to speak to him in the way Lilly did. Yes they could have argued with him but in the end he is still their Captain and ultimately it would have just ended badly with them relieved of duty maybe, or at best ignored.

Laura Thornley

We're finally here. Also, you posted this eight hours ago? While I was sleeping? Outrageous. Who do I have to contract about this whole "international time zone" nonsense?

Laura Thornley

Poor Geordi, he never catches a break.

Summer

My order for the movies you have seen 1 Voyage Home, 2 Search for Spock, tied are 1, 2, and 6, then Generations and First Contact and then 5. next time the order will change

Summer

The problem with ever showing ‘how it happened’ is there are a million stories you could tell and someone will hate multiple aspects of the story chosen, that is why anything prequel ish can be annoying, disappointing, or infuriating

Ramen Nudels

Me: Audible sigh. Of course yall didn't like Lily with Picard in the most important scene of the movie lol.

Summer

Jen chose to wait on Voyager so she could focus on DS9 it didn’t hurt her reaction at all, she wants to be able to pay attention, not everyone has to do it the same way

Travis Hackett

You had to drop this while I was at work, didn't you?! Such a great way to relax after dealing with the general public.

Chris M (edited)

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2026-10-19 10:00 Yes it is, its frequently mentioned. Its brilliantine written and the acting is some of the best in the franchise. Genuinely great acting, not just good for a scifi tv show.
2026-10-18 10:02 Yes it is, its frequently mentioned. Its brilliantly written and the acting is some of the best in the franchise. Genuinely great acting, not just good for a scifi tv show.

Yes it is, its frequently mentioned. Its brilliantly written and the acting is some of the best in the franchise. Genuinely great acting, not just good for a scifi tv show.

paultardspambot .

To be fair to Picard, being assimilated into a hive mind that uses your knowledge to kill thousands of your fellow officers and your memories where you realized you might be responsible for the end of the federation would be a pretty traumatic experience. Different from what Lily experienced, but its not like hes complaining his spiced latte was too hot.

Randy Watson

Justice for Lily! I thought she was great in the movie. She was just bombed and attacked and woke up in a strange place thinking she was fighting for her life. It’s called survival instincts! It didn’t take long to convince her of what was happening and then she was completely game to help the future space people with whatever they needed. No shade, but I wonder if Josh can explain why she is so unlikable? In a meta sense she serves as an audience surrogate so Picard can bounce off exposition to someone because the movie has to work for people who have never seen Star Trek- I know it was helpful to 12 year old me who saw this in the theaters as the first piece of Star Trek media I had ever seen and I was hooked ever since!

Bert

As someone who is still new in Cybersecurity, I haven't yet seen someone trying to hack a computer by making it able to enjoy sex.

Bert

This movie really does a lot for Star Trek lore. Borg Queen. Zephram Cochrane. First Contact including the reveal of who we had first contact with. When this came out, I didn't have Internet yet but a friend did and he found rumors about what was going to be in this movie. Most of it was wrong but the one they got right was who First Contact was with. I remember the prediction of a Commodore Picard. I wonder with him taking command of the fleet to fight the Borg if there wasn't some earlier draft where he was meant to be there the whole time with a formal promotion to Commodore. EDIT: https://www.oocities.org/hollywood/7374/st-tng-destinies.html I think this is what my friend showed me. It looks a lot like what I remember. I especially like the rumor that Christopher Walken was going to be the main villain. As far as I can determine, that was never on the table.

Goddess of Empathy

I'm so glad you enjoyed it! I think the humour in this film is definitely better written than Generations, Drunk Deanna is my favourite.

Bert

Really surprised you're bringing up Past Tense now that we've gotten to where we can finally discuss how First Contact completely undermines it. We get the Bell Riots which allegedly lead to social reform . . . then World War 3.

Bert

Exactly. Its not that uncommon to have an experience of feeling a surge of emotion and stepping outside of it to ask why you're feeling like this or immediately noticing that you feel stronger about something than you realized. And saying your uglier feelings outloud can be wonderfully deflating, especially when someone is there to hear it.

Bert

I've been mulling over that the last week. She's clearly there for the people they were probably hoping would show up for the movie who don't normally watch Star Trek. But they could have had more of that exposition happen with the Earth team.

Jonathon Tsagris

Now that they've finally appeared; I gotta say these grey uniforms are my favourite of all the trek uniforms. On the other hand, I hate the Enterprise E's bridge set.

Jonathon Tsagris

There's this hilarious bit from an interview I saw once, where someone is Interviewing Avery Brooks and asking him what he thought of First Contact and he's all annoyed that as far as he knew he'd left the defiant parked right outside the station, and then the next thing you know Worf's gone and taken the ship and trashed it without even asking him.

paultardspambot .

I feel like it HAS to be someone who doesn't know Picard. Picard has earned the respect of his crew. He hasn't with this woman sho shes the one to call out the obvious behavior with this man she just met. The fact she hadnt even read Moby Dick was perfect. It wouldt have been the same movie if it was a crewmemeber. Worf already call himed out and he didnt back down, so they follow orders.

paultardspambot .

So a rumor I heard that I believe based on the evidence does kind of confirm how limited Troi was. The story goes that apparently Sirtis did some "method acting" here and actually got drunk to play drunk Deanna. The thing is, she had so few scenes, she was only onset for a couple of days. But if you rewatch the scene where she's on the bridge briefly, apparently that was filmed later the same day and Sirtis is still clearly intoxicated. Rewating that scene with that in mind... yeah, it's kind of obvious when you're looking for it. Not her peformance really, its a bit slowed down, but more so here eyes are clearlystill glassy and no fully open. Random trivia, sort of like the Star Wars bit about Leia wasn't sober for a lot her her scenes in Return of the Jedi

StonyD

Yeah I didn't have the math at hand, I assumed there would be a fan here that would know the exact path/distance 👍🏼

paultardspambot .

Given the situation Riker and the Earth crew are in, what else can he do? he has to make sure the mission goes as planned and hope his crew dealt with the other problem. He didn't even know the Borg were alive or on the Enterprise, so even unable to establish contact, his priorities are clear. There is no way they can establish contact anyway, the problem is on the Enterprise and I don't think an additional scene of them trying to contact the Enterpirse and failing would have added anything. In fact you could just assume in your headcannon that happened, they didnt make contact, and thus there wasn't anything interesting worth showing. It changes nothing and wouldnt have added anything other then to complete the complaints of nitpickers. Notoriusly you dont care if they cut a scnee to close a minor technical loophole (here that they would try and alternate means to get in contact even though such an attempt would fail) the only benefit of showing it would be to appeasw nitpickers. This is like when someone complained about the DS9 season finale that surely there have to be verfication codes and bio checks and physical coded software, they don't just accept this person is who he claims it is. But showing tha would have added nothing, so you can just assume the foounder had all that stuff. More so, pointing out they were making sure rhe admiral was who he said he was would ruin the twist, because already we would have been on alert for shenainigans if they showed him passing all thoses tests because we nwever see admirals go through those though there clearly would be some kind of security checking mechanism everytime an admiral came aboard. Again, its logical this would happen, but they dont ever show it, so why show it just in this case to appease the concerns of nitpickers? To me if there is an obvious or implied thing that would make it make more sense you can assume its there and not shown because its not interesting. Thats why I don't see that Riker and them are doing anything besides what they should be doing. Even if Riker had known there were borg on the ship, there was nothing he could do about it if they assimilated it and the mission would have failed beyond anything he could have done. So he is dealing with one part of the mission and his team mates are counting on him like he is counting them and he undersytands if either one fails their mission they both fail. Also I'm sure its been pointed out to you, but the TOS Cochrane thing takes place chronologically after this movie in the lifespan of Cochrane. He disappeared because on some test ship he was a passenger on some entity abducted him and made him eternally young and healthy. So The Cochrane on that flight would have been an old man who was turned back to his Healthiest age forever, even though that age was before in his reak kife Cochrane had done anything of significance besides maybe being some sort of pilot in air/ close space craft that could have been deployed by nations fighting. His veteran experience there lead to him having and idea about how to design a warp engine based on his knwoeldge of what was already cutting edge and finidng a missile silo in a part of the country the government had abandoned due to war, and he was able to modify the ship (probably one of the types he had piloted before) to be able to traveling at light speed for a little bit. AS far as still being able to see plent earth, they were traveling at the speed of light for a few minutes, and light takes more then that to reach the outer reacher of our own solar system, so there view of earth based on where they were, before or after mars, the view of Earth is realistic from a space vantage point. They only had to travel at light speed for a few minutes for the vulan to notice them, this doesnt seem like a craft that could sustain it for long or that would be flyable outside the solar system (the radiation alone would kill them pretty quick, but there's also the incredible cold that they dont seem to have heating ssytems to counter combined with a bunch of other issues when you get outside the solar system. We dont know then after contact with the Vulcans how much of thir tech they shared, but presumably a lot to give Earth a huge boost.

Craig

I'm another who watched this in the theatre 30 years ago. So it's a real treat to hear a first-time reaction. I'm glad you enjoyed it boys and I look forward with interest to those extended thoughts. LLAP. 🖖

paultardspambot .

I feel like a very much agree with Josh here. My feelings exactly. Its good, but not quite great. The writers explained this was a good popcorn flick, but with the generations they were trying something they didnt quite execute, here there is no deeper meaning to anything going on other then its psychological effect on picard and the confidence crisis of Cochrane. Its fun, its an adventure, it has great emotional moments. But there isn't some deeper them at play that elevates Trek. I find that consistently in DS9, but I think you can imagine how if someone really liked what DS9 was doing, DS9 is... ambitious. This is a very well made movie, but it doesn't feel ambitious in the way that elevates it from being as you very well put it "Star Trek but its a movie" where the "feeling like a movie" part is jarring because so much of the movies were about it being distinctly not the show but a movie and in a way that can be limiting. There can be callbacks and easter eggs but an audience unfamilia with trek or vageuly familair can understand this without needing to have any previous knowledge. I mean having experienced the history makes it hit harder but it isnt strictly necessary as all the history is explained and even "retconned" to some degree.

paultardspambot .

Guinan was the bartender on the D. Why would she follo them onto the E? It makes just as much sense that when the ship was gone, she moved on to another thing, as her species is long lived and she has had many experiences so she doesnt seem like the type who would do the same thing the rest of her life, she would want different experiences. I don't think it would be true to her character if she was on the E, and we didn't actually see any civilains on the E, which suggests maybe this ship did away with the civilians on the ship policy, or for this ship in particular because as the flagship it encounterd too much danger for the types of missions it would be assigned, especially given the looming threats in the Universe right now. If the Dominion invaded, or the Klingons, the Enterrprise would leading fleets into battle, and having civilians there doesn't make sense. This ship is part of the new anti-borg line the defiant was from that werent ready when the first invasion happened. Also, the Federation was being run deliberately poorl;y because of the gillworms so there were a lot of nonsensicla decisions, and you coulg argue the development of the Enterprise was one as it took so much time, was so lengthy to produce, and had so many bugs and things that needed to be replaced throughoput TNG. This ship is different. It's the flasgship, but this ship was also built with combat against the Borg specifically in mind, as were the ships in the fleet mostly that intercepted the Borg Cube in the beginning.

paultardspambot .

Note, noneof thuis spoilers I'm just reminding them of already established context thst they might not have thought it in terms of the logical conclusions we can draw with whats been said in the past and whats been shown but you really have to pay attention to implications of individual lines becasue those are used for the basis of future development which gives deeper context to some of the choices made in terms of ship design.

Loot Narsbaar

This is why I have so much respect for Star Trek 6. Its the only part of Classic Trek that is explicitly a prequel and they pulled it off without any cringe “how Han Solo got his name” fan service.

Loot Narsbaar

(And it was obvious to me, a seven year old who’d seen limited Star Trek, that was Worf’s ancestor).

Loot Narsbaar

RN I think I’m at 4,2,3,6,1 5,8 7

Summer

This is true, Star Trek six really was the prequel story to the Enterprise C incident later and the later event at Kitthomer with young Worf and to all Klingon stories of TNG that they chose to do more than half way through TNG wich is mot an easy thing to do

Loot Narsbaar

I wouldn’t go that far, but for me this movie is all the confirmation they’ve squeezed all the juice out of that berry. The Borg’s story was over in Decent. And Decent sucked noodles. The Borg cease being scary when they are easier to defeat with each encounter.

Loot Narsbaar

Also, you will never ever come up with a better Borg action scene then when the Enterprise separates and shoots fireworks as part of their commando mission. Sorry you guys used that on a tv budget and not the big screen.

River Acheron

I feel Riker would have spoken to Picard that way but in terms of the story, being that he had to be elsewhere, it would not have worked.

Loot Narsbaar

Going to warp in a solar system is so irresponsible

Loot Narsbaar

Its has to be Crusher if anyone. Only she could say “Jean-Luc, blow up the damn ship!” No one else is on a first name basis.

paultardspambot .

So They wanted Geordi in the visor but he absolutely refused to do it unless they got rid of it

Loot Narsbaar

You can get nuked while doing social reform. Could have changed the hearts and minds of those Americans who made First Contact from what it could have been otherwise

Matt Newmark

People won't be bitching because a: AI will have trained us all by then. b: The Vulcans will have arrived.

Loot Narsbaar

I don’t understand Picard’s complaint about the Federation “falling back” when the Borg invade. They Federation threw everything they had at them in BOBW and beat them. They blew up their ship in Decent, and they didn’t go rouge. Starfleet sent an entire task force. Just an hour before, in this very movie, they kicked the shit out of a Borg Cube. A new level of success! After their first try was an unspeakable disaster. What is Picard even talking about? If he felt this strongly no one does anything about the Borg Threat maybe he should have gone ahead and wiped them out in I Borg.

Forbidden Donut

Just have Jeffrey Combs name float through twice in the opening credits lol

Cranky Grandma

The companion did make Cochran younger. I guess how I deal with how different he is, is that he was military forWW3, and the companion returnedhi. To that “age” and asa result he had more military behavior (self discipline). But when he invented warp drive he was older and broken from war. He went off to die of old age in space when the companion found him. Rewatching this with you now I can see he could be the same Cochran.

Jon Reid

Bert. The world is bigger than the USA

Jon Reid

The world is bigger than social issues in the USA, bro.

Bert

That doesn't help you at all. If anything that just makes it that much more implausible that the Bell Riots were important to the founding of the Federation but even moreso when you have a nuclear war and the post atomic horror. Apparently one day, over a decade after Cochrane met the Vulcans, a group of Mad Max people and drug-controlled soldiers were holding a kangaroo court when they remembered that time some homeless people held some public servants hostage and decided they could make the world a better place. And no, this is not a spoiler. We were shown the post atomic horror in Encounter at Farpoint.

Jack Molitor

Best Trek movie music…and that’s tough to do cuz 2 and 6 have great soundtracks.

Summer

As to this movie this is not the story I would have told at all

Summer

Nerds are good, though I prefer geek

Paul Penter

Glad you enjoyed it. Shows that you liked it that you thought it was only 90 minutes and wanted it longer. It's 1h45m that is excellently paced. Modern films are far too long and bloated with two third acts. Harsh criticism on Lilly who is generally great in the film and acts completely rationally throughout, not whiny, screamy or a know it all. I buy their bond despite not many scenes together. I think you'll change your minds on the character on further rewatches. We've all been watching the film for 30 years so these characters are etched in our brains.

Sam Langanke

No. Thomas Riker said it first in „Defiant“.

Paul

I think it's great as an action movie. Depends on the flavor you're looking for. Though there is certainly a theme, of Picard's trauma and overcoming his emotional reactions to it.

Summer

Very nearly a Star Trek six moment

Summer

Time keeps moving and contracting and we change timelines with every odd turn of history, thus the temporal prime directive is useless

Matchstick Jose

It’s interesting that Josh notes that he’s fine with time travel here because it’s still “in the future.” One thing I’ve always felt about the film is that there’s a distinct lack of world-building for 2063. There’s not much in the film that feels like the future, IMO. I know it’s partially because it’s set only 10 years after WWIII, but, other than the warp ship and brief mentions of the political situation, this could very well just be set on a campground in 1996 and not much would change.

Target Audience

I agree it doesn’t really feel like the future but tbh it’s one set/location and it’s barely in the movie so it’s like… whatever lol

Pokeysaurus

You mean it was a marketing ploy?? I’m more hyped for this than Darmok haha

Ca$hWednesday

I heard one person suggest years ago that Lily's role should have been lessened and Sisko should have been on the Defiant with Worf. This way, Sisko was the one who gives Picard the kick in the pants during the Captain Ahab scene. Sisko is able to bury the hatchet with Picard at the end of the DS9 pilot, and Picard is able to do the same with the Borg.

Loot Narsbaar

I think, for a movie, the visor is a way cheaper looking prop than the Enterprise D.

Loot Narsbaar

Lily won me at “It’s my first ray gun.”

Loot Narsbaar

The other part of the movie I liked is that Cochrane is into Steppenwolf and has some kind of futuristic Pono Player built into his spaceship

Bert

We learned in the recent Voyager episode that the Eugenics Wars were apparently pretty low key. People were too focused on the techbro I guess

Lovok

Their criticisms of Lily are ridiculous. This is a woman who grew up DURING WORLD WAR III! She wakes up on a futuristic ship with no idea what's going on, with a war-hardened background. She behaves in a completely rational way. Naturally, Picard engenders a lot of trust and whittles away at her fear and aggression. From that point on, she's mostly pleasant and a great audience surrogate. I also think an outsider works better for calling Picard on his hubris and vengeance. While I can agree it would have been nice to have seen more of the cast given something meaty to do, this is a feature film that needs to appeal to a broader audience than only TNG fans, while still be engaging and fulfilling to what TNG fans want from a movie. Otherwise, frankly, the entire franchise could have been hurt. Even the shows could have been impacted and cancelled prematurely if this film had been a huge box office flop. "First Contact" was a huge hit at the general box office, and it fueled the beginning of what is perhaps Trek's golden age as a franchise (DS9 S6; VOY S4).

The Inedible Mattman

You can hear Kelsey Grammer's vioce in the battle sequence, acknowledging the order that was given. I don't think it's credited but it's there

penoyer79

$10 instead of $5? Savage

Heespharm

Or as Josh said… “all you have is a head and shoulders but sometime you have to make do”

Heespharm

I remember when watching it in the theater when Deanna says it’s no time to worry about time the whole theater was belly laughing

Chris M

Lily is very well written and one of my favourite guest characters in the whole franchise.. She's a great actor as well, and it shows in this movie.

Heespharm

Something to bring up in the next staff meeting

Heespharm

Tbf, pre-internet 1996, my group of friends asked the same exact question … was it a plot hole or foreshadowing??

Philbot

P-Stew loved working with Alfre Woodard he wanted to find a way to bring her back in the next movie!?

Goddess of Empathy

Proof that Marina can do more than just "feelings" scenes

Strekonline.com

Seeing this in theater was actually my very first full exposure to Star Trek and it is what truly hooked me onto the franchise. It's not my favorite of the films, surprisingly, but I do think it is the best produced of the films and it was what hooked me.

Pokeysaurus

[Talking to HR] "No, I was saying we want to make sure people ARENT having sex with computers, why is everyone trying to make me the weird one here?"

Scribe31oz

I think if Riker were present, he'd do more than talk, he would have overridden Picard. Riker was loyalto Picard because of how he cared about the crew. If that's off the table, i think he would have stepped in.

Laura Thornley

Yeah, the Enterprise is supposed to be part of the Borg Task Force (its what the Sovereign was built for). Makes sense that its a stripped down non-luxury war ship (like the Defiant, though more comfortable). It would be hard to convince civilians to live on it to begin with!

Laura Thornley

*Riker and Geordie return to Earth to witness First Contact* Geordie: "So how's the Enterprise holding up? I guess you had some communications issues, because we couldn't get in touch all day!" Picard: "Oh, its fine. Don't worry. But Engineering could do with a bit of tidying up."

Dark Kronis

the borg queen was needed for movie but i feel her existence weakness borg as cosmic horror,

Evan Guthrie

They thought it was... solid! That's a win right there. But yes Lily should have been replaced with Crusher.

Jon Miller

Every reactor I've ever seen doing this watches the Trek movies all in sequence then goes back to watch the shows. The 'broadcast order' TA does makes the world of difference and sets apart from other reaction channels.

Jon Miller

You're blended alright.

paultardspambot .

Yes... but there's just a different "movie feel" to it that makes it feel slighlty "off" I feel DS9 is able to make some episodes feel that "big, cinematic feel" while not being within that feel of "this is a big movie, not the show" I mean, I do recognize what I'm talking about could be seen as subtle, but I'm saying I agreed ith exactly what Josh is getting at. This is good, it brushes up against being great, but it's not quite there because ir feels a little too much like it s conforming to "expectations of a trek movie" Again, what Josh was saying, but if people dont feel that vibe its tough to put into other words.

Bantha Fodder

Every time you say 3 is your favorite I die a little inside.

paultardspambot .

I think they just dont like the idea of a character they dont know being a major part of the movie and they hated the "women doesnt know whats happening and freaks out" trope. Lily is good. I would say the only potential criticism is she's fine at what she's doing but outside of her as a foil for picard we never really get a sense of who she is as a chaarcter, shes there to be the out of context who can call it as shes see it because shes never met picard beofre and shes the only one who can state the obvious. I don't know why they found her so unlikable exactly, but its aruable she should have been better defined as a character other then a scared, angry woman who has no context for whats going on, sort of like why she would care about her or whats she thinks? I get that criticsm and I agree they could have had more scenes developing her, I think there are actually some cut scenes. but shes fine for a character that is only there really to be a unique foil for Picard.

paultardspambot .

But yeah, I completely agree with this take. Sometimes the guys have a very passionate response to certain things that I think the general audiene jusg doesnt get why they zero in on. Like captain's holiday and The jem'hadar, certain seemingly random small things will completely piss them off in ways that are pretty idiosyncratic to them and not really takes that are commonly heard in the Trek fandom, which also is part of the reason they are interesting because they do have such very specific idiosyncratic takes. But findinf this character super unlikeable seems an odd one. I think they just dont like the idea of this woman we dont know being so disrespectful to Picard generally and then being the one to successfully call him out, they love Picard so much they feel the disrespect doesnt feel "earned" to them,. but I think the fact she doesnt lnow this person and is such an utterly bizaare situation by her frame of ereference her character does serve a very specific purpose and its impossiuble to imagine anyone BUT a cyharacter LIKE HER as the one who gets to Picard but the crew would never call him out like that.

Summer

Because this is a fiction universe and multiple ones, the timeline changes constantly so what happened once or is said to have happened doesn’t really matter

Bob smith

Love the EMH scene, the Barclay scene, and I think it's great they don't accidentally spoil that the first contact will be with Vulcans right up until the end! Great reaction!

Star Excelsior

Fun Fact: When Sweden joined NATO, during their ascension ceremony in 2024 the band at one point played the First Contact theme as a nod to the similarities between NATO and the United Federation of Planets.

Andy Nonomous

I agree that the actual first contact scene with Cochrane shaking hands and sharing drinks with the Vulcans does feel special. It's a moment that had been referenced a lot up to that point so to actually see it was great. In my opinion, the Moby Dick reference in this one is actually better executed. Picard having that line enter his mind and speaking out loud as he calms down and accepts the decision was really great.

John M.

I'm not going to get all bent out of shape about something I like that you guys don't, but I find Lily well-written, extremely well-acted and not even remotely unlikeable. I think she's charming. I can still remember the audience laughter to "My first ray gun," "Sounds Swedish" and recoiling to Worf's "I am a Klingon." I do agree that you could have written something similar for the existing cast members, but thought what they did was very well-executed. (Similarly, I think the Borg Queen is a bad idea that they did very well.)

River Acheron

She was absolutely not "needed". The studio wanted a villain with a face. They could have been more esoteric and I don't think anyone would have minded. Nowadays the weirder it is, the more celebrated.

River Acheron

While I may not love the character, I gotta say the actress was phenomenal.

Ian Meyers

So glad you guys enjoyed the movie! I bought the reaction early to watch it again with you guys. On a more personal note, I wanted to let you guys know I had to break up with my first girlfriend of 3.5 years a few days ago. As you have other times in my life, this reaction provided me with a much needed escape from the stuff I'm currently feeling. Thank you guys for your love of Star Trek and helping foster a great community here on this little corner of internet. This might be my favorite Trek film, and I'm so pumped y'all enjoyed it! Looking forward to the in-depth discussion.

Ian Meyers

Oh, also I hate the look of the E. I think that's a bit of an unpopular opinion, so thought I would toss that in here. ;)

Brian

There is a cannon explanation to the dramatic appearance changes between the Galaxy Class Enterprise D and the Sovereign Class Enterprise E. The reason is ironically the Borg. After Wolf 359, Starfleet re-though the idea of, hey lets have a big exploration ship full of amenities and families, the galaxy is a peaceful place. what could go wrong Then the Borg come along and they think maybe we need some more warship type vessels. No families, designed for combat. The Enterprise E, the Defiant... some of the other ships shown in the opening battle are all products of we need to have advance combat ships, not family cruisers.

Ca$hWednesday

I loved the entire 10 seconds we got of the Akira Class <3

BarNone

First Star Trek movie I ever saw, in the theaters with my dad. Will always be number 1

paultardspambot .

So There is a deleated scene, and its sort of maybe a spoiler. How is that possible? It includes something where... hmm. Well it's not a scene you can show for your spolier rule but I also can't explain what I can't explain about it because of the same reason, so maybe watch that one after you're finished with the series, lol. If there are other deleted scenes they may suffer from the same problem, so you can't watch them. I'll see.

paultardspambot .

I found a safe short missing scene. These exist but apparently are really scarce as this was was only used for an actors' personal creidit line. Its obvious who that actors is in this clip. But there were multiple deleted scenes that ahd loated around what, mostly short scenes to very short scenes, and one much bigger one that was deleted as a plot choice thing. Or i was going to do except that the site its on refers to deleted scenes from future movies as well. Anyway, they exist but njot easy to find there was some convoluted legal reason about exactly whose intellectual property they were and for some reasons Partamount really worked hard to scrub all the deledted scenes from all the movies, though they still exist or some of them do on very deep dives. But those dives are also where spoilers about the future movies deleted scenes, so this gets really really hard and may be impossible to post in an acceptable way here. This is very unsual in terms of how deleated scenes really work. Had to do with complex rules about who had what freedom and the exact production status and it was legally grey so they tried to just erase all of them from the interent, and this was a case where it actually sort of worked, especially because somany aer very very short scenes where you understand why they cut it to save time or were taking the story in a different direction before some rewrites/changes came in suggesting things that never happened in our version of the movie, and due to a complex legal situation with the rights from the tv shows and the movies being divided between two different companies and the rules about directorial freedom. And since they are things that didn't happen, I can't say whether any of those plot elements are ever reused, like... oh, they use this idea that wasnt incorporated into the fil, to inspire a later idea and this made whose legal proerty they were extremely legally complex as a result. Moslty what these would have done is have sort moments that arent necesary or they feel slow down the pace too much or don;t work with the version of the scene they decided to go with, which means Frakes had an unusual degree of freedom to change signfiicant amounts of the strip and was collaborating with the writers and producers.

SierraNicole

Oof. When you said Lili was written to be unlikable...oh man no. You were definitely supposed to like her. haha. One of my absolute favorite characters in the Star Trek franchise. A great foil for Picard here and a great outsider to give some audience exposition with. Alfre Woodard is one of my favorite actresses. She's so talented. A stand out in absolutely everything she's in. And I think she held her ground against Patrick Stewart's masterful performance in this film. In a way I definitely don't think Marina Sirtis could have done (no shade, I love Deanna). That Ready Room scene...it's just so powerful. I'm actually floored that you guys didn't like her. A little heart broken. I've never heard anyone say they don't like Lili.

SierraNicole

Agreed! I love Lili and I love Alfre Woodard. I think few people could have stood up to Patrick Stewart's acting in that Ready Room scene and she did it. I almost don't want to watch the ending commentary because I'll just be sitting there arguing with the computer screen until I'm upset. haha. But yeah...Lili is a great addition to the movie. I can't imagine it without her.

Sam Langanke

Yes, the bridge of the E can't compete against the bridge of the D. But on the outside the E is clearly the prettier ship.

TalynOne

Just a matter of time, I've seen a hacker bypass AI protections and making the AI oink like a pig.

Jon Miller

Patrons waiting for the moment the guys see the Defiant roar onto screen, but they look at each other and talk over it so miss the whole shot. Don't ever change TA!

Derek Orr

Surprised they didn’t like Lily and thought she wasn’t likeable. The criticism of her reaction in the ready room to Picards outburst seem to be about her only knowing him for 5 mins…but that makes no sense…most people would have strong reaction and facial expressions to someone loosing their shit just like Picard did, even if you just met him

Derek Orr

They are so right thought about how Star Trek movies have to be a bit different than the tv shows, they are their to be a celebration of sorts of the underlying core of Star Trek ….which is something nu trek forgets unfortunately. I never did love how the ratty rough around the edges post apocalyptic war camp in Montana was the setting for either Cochrane inventing warp and launching phoenix or making first contact. Would have preferred something bit more realistic and formal situated around what’s left of NASA or European space agency or whatever. Basically earth should be further along in their recovery and progress from ww3 and the story of Cochrane would be better as part of a team of scientists or engineers using the best of different countries former enemies etc…..rather than some trashy biker mad max gang living in a camp in the bush in Montana and mostly just drinking and listening to a juke box🤷‍♂️

Derek Orr

@1:56 honestly there has been really very little actual first contacts shown in Star Trek

Derek Orr

How does that undermine it?

Derek Orr

How does that undermine it? …and Americans? Umm ya no America was done by now

Derek Orr

How does that undermine it? …and Americans? Umm ya no America was done by now

Derek Orr

I agree on the preference for the tv shows. The movie thing just makes them want a big action spectacle that is not really core cerebral Star Trek anymore. If they insist on just doing movies I want it more like TMP or Arrival , more gravitas, less quippy marvel style

Derek Orr

Ya that shooting fireworks from the saucer section was really lame and embarrassing actually

Derek Orr

Hence the problem with multi verse crap. So sick of that trope of alternative parallel timelines and universes and dimensions that are all just different versions of the main one. It utterly dismantles any jeopardy or investment

Derek Orr

Ya basically this is where the fan boy pew pew make it more like Star Wars types of people took over and sent things downhill. The E-E is an absolute downgrade and all the warships are just boring

SoundGuy0db

IMO You’ve reached peak TNG movie (And peak Star Trek movies for that matter) From what I remember there was some expanded stuff explored in the novelisation tho I haven’t read it in years - so maybe that would be interesting for you to check out

SoundGuy0db

Also no love for the Enterprise-E? Yes the D is nostalgic but I love the new design & personally love the darker set designs etc, especially it suits the tone of the movie

SoundGuy0db

Yeah, the Akira-class is one of my all time favourite starships

Derek Locke

Yeah, Lily was great. She was NOT unlikeable, that is just crazy to me. Their criticism is expected at this point though. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but yeah.

Derek Locke

Yes! Literally every review at the time highlighted her as a high point of the movie! She was great. Case closed!

Derek Locke

Maybe you guys don't realize how you come off sometimes. Maybe not hating but certainly heavily annoyed.

DarthFunkNinja

Yep; not a spoiler but an easter egg.

River Acheron

TNG Parallels made it ALL canon though. I mean some people say that episode was the best thing to ever happen to Trek, others say it was the worst thing. I think it's for the best. In 2026, we obviously cannot have a show like the 60s or 90s on modern TV. It would never happen. So instead of just completely dismantling the past, we can establish that there's different timelines. Older fans of TOS can be pleased, all the way up to modern teens today watching the newer series, and no one has to worry about retconning.

River Acheron

I just want a Trek movie thats more like Interstellar, Iron Lung or is it too greedy for me to want something more like Event Horizon? Maybe some anomaly so utterly disturbing and eldritch. True Lovecraftian cosmic horror. I just don't need Die Hard in The Future over and over AND OVER again. Like do something different! lol

Jason Biggs

Ugh that still a continuity problem later on

Lovok

I think the exterior of the E is gorgeous. The interior a bit less so, but it suits the films very well. That being said, the D remains my favorite Trek ship. There are so many aspects of classic Trek (like the care and detail that goes into the ships) I absolutely love that these guys are oblivious to or simply don't care about. They have very narrow and particular tastes. They are what they are at this point though, frustrating though that can be at times.

Lovok

I think the D is the prettier ship, both exterior and interior. However, that doesn't take away from the E, which does have a gorgeous exterior too.

Lovok

I've always thought the Borg Queen works fantastic in isolation within the confines of this film, but creates real problems in the lore outside of the film.

Ca$hWednesday

Sovereign Class Enterprise-E is a good looking ship. The bridge of the Ent-E leaves a lot to be desired though. The way the holographic view screen can be turned off an on makes no sense. Why would you ever turn it off and stare at a blank wall when you could see stars instead? I think it's also important we don't compare the D and the E too much. In-universe, the Enterprise-E like the D before it is Starfleet's flagship. It's the cutting edge of starship tech at the time. While the Galaxy Class Ent-D was a floating hotel that was created during a time of peace and was perfect for that era, the Enterprise-E is a flagship for a different time where the Borg and Dominion threat exists, and the alliance with the Klingons is shaky. It's less high-tech family cruise liner, and more sharp war lance. Personally, I like the attention to detail and the thought that went on behind the scenes as to what the next generation (no pun intended) of Starfleet ships would look like and what their roles would be at the time. We first saw this with the Defiant, and this is a continuation of that same ship design process. A lesser series with showrunners who didn't care would have ignored this completely.

Target Audience

I like that point about the peacetime vs wartime design

Some Guy

"Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with Locutus" "What about side by side with a captain?" "Aye"

Mina Haroun

You guys completely missed the Defiant being in this movie. It was designed to fight the BORG and movie starts with the DEFIANT fighting the BORG. But you guys noticed the Meckleth more??? lol. What an excellent way to include DS9 and have Worf join the enterprise crew. This movie's space battle at the start is arguably one of the best star trek space battles ever. One thing i Noticed on 100th time I watched this movie and always wondered about... Why are there soo many KLINGON BORG??? feels like there is an untold story about an old Klingon ship getting assimilated. Cause they are Klingon but they have makeup/face from the TOS Movies. They are Klingons from the Undiscovered Country ... I figured they beamed over from the Sphere but how/when/where were they assimilated. This movie is the best but it does have some plot holes. Picard acts like the Borg are a scourge. that they've been in a prolonged war with the BORG and that the humans are constantly falling back and letting them win. That the line has to stop HERE WITH HIM. it sounded good but in reality, the Borg sent 2 SHIPS to attack the federation. They did'nt invade their space (more like trespass), they did'nt assimilate any federation planets, they killed allot of ships but the federation did'nt back down to them/fall back... it sounded really good, but its complete nonsense. Best part of the movie but complete nonsense. What picard should've said was running into the borg in my part of the galaxy is rare but when they come there is nothing but a trail of death behind them. Hundreds of ships, Thousands of fellow officers dead by my own hands. They took me and made me Locutus of Borg the face of death and assimilation. There isn't a day where i don't see horror in the eyes of the survivors of ships like the Boseman, Columbia, Exalibur, Endevour , and the Saratoga (sisko's ship). Not only officers but family that could not be evacuated in time. Mothers, Sons, Fathers ... all dead by my hand. Worst part is, I had a chance to end the borg. Infect them with a deadly virus and end their scourge but I did'nt and now death and destructions of more federation ships are on my hands. I will not lose any more ships or crew to the BORG... We will save this ship, We will get back to my time, and I will END THE BORG!!! (or i will continue my penance for all the innocent blood on my hand)

FPG

The distance they travelled on the Phoenix and still seeing Earth actually makes sense tbh. The Phoenix was a warp 1 capable ship, no more. That means 1x the speed of light. That sounds fast, but on space scales, it's actually painfully slow. At the speed of light our sun is about 8 minutes away. Phoenix was in warp for what? a couple of minutes, absoloute max, but probably more like a minute or less. That really doesn't get you far at the speed of light. Now..... warp factors are weird and inconsistent to a degree. In early TOS the warp factor had a linear relationship to speed, doubling warp factor multiplied your speed in c (1c being 1x speed of light, 2c being 2x speed of light etc) by 8, with warp 9 being 729x the speed of light. They later decided though that this was still too slow, and they wanted later ships to be faster than the original Enterprise, but they realised that just continually adding new warp factors would get silly. "Ensign, set a course for Earth, warp 17" sounds a little silly, keeping warp factors in single digits just sounded better. So they retconned the warp scale. Don't recall exactly where it happened, but certainly before the start of TNG they changed it. In the TOS scale, there was no end to the scale, you could in theory just keep adding warp factors to go faster and faster. In the new scale they set warp 1 at the speed of light, warp 10 at infinite speed, and made an exponential scale in between. So warp 9 is now 1516x the speed of light (ish). So yeah, warp 1 is stupid slow, but on either warp scale you pick up speed rapidly as you climb the warp numbers. Most of the time in Trek they aren't travelling at warp 1, they're higher in the warp scale. I seem to recall in TNG warp 5 is pretty common for just cruising around, that's about 213x the speed of light, so if they warped at that sort of speed for the same lenght of time as Phoenix did, yeah, you're right, you wouldn't see Earth, you'd be WELL past the sun and off into the middle distance.