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UNCUT REACTION - Star Trek TOS - Whom Gods Destroy S3E14 (Patreon)

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It's Dagger of the Mind but different.. sort of!

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Firekrys FWO

Queen to Queen's Level 3....I quote that sooooo much. I'm still at work, so I'll join ya tonight, but I liked this one. I like watching Kirk try to appeal to reach someone through their megalomania. and Double Vulcan Neck pinch for the win.

Andreas Schmitt

Magnanimous basically means being generous and forgiving towards an enemy.

Andreas Schmitt

Definitely one of the weaker episodes. That battle of Axanar that was mentioned was actually supposed to be turned into a major fan film, but unfortunately the rights holders stamped on that one hard.. which is unfortunately. It was a project a lot of fans were looking forward to... So in that sense, there was later a reference to this episode indeed :)

Steven Johnson

Bill Shatner just celebrated his 92nd Birthday. I'm glad he's still with us. last of the big three, still going strong. You've probably been told, but Marta is in fact an Orion (Vina from The Cage was also a "green animal woman" IE Orion) which probably explains some of the acting on Yvone Craig's part. She's sorta... Cat-like. Pawing at Garth. I don't really have strong feelings on Garth. He is a hammy dude. My friend and I used to parrot "YOU WROTE THAT!?" because the way he says it so weird. This is, in fact, the episode that inspired the fan film "Star Trek Axanar" which turned out to be a giant grift, and ruined Star Trek fan film productions because Paramount/CBS locked down on them hard... 1.2 million dollar grift. Star Trek Continues had to shut down ahead of schedule, after just having gotten their engine room set built. Krotus is a Klingon conqueror, which is one of the ones Garth name dropped. That's not officially documented anywhere, but that is the intention, it fits with the naming conventions of all the other Klingons in TOS. Kor, Kang, Koloth. Also, the only time Axanar was EVER brought up since this episode was in the Starfleet Battles board game.. and once, just once, we hear Captain Archer in Enterprise mention "The Axanar" as a species. It is such a throaway reference and means literally nothing. We never did get to see what happened at Axanar that made "Kirk and Spock brothers." The way the Axanar fanfilm was going to tie it all together was that it codified the Federation, (Vulcan, Andorian, Tellarites, Earth, Deltans, Saurians) as one absolutely united front... Against the Klingon Empire. None of that is EVER covered in canonical Star Trek outside of incredibly vague references that the fans tied together. In TOS its already clear Starfleet/The Federation has been dealing with the Klingons for quite a long time. While I get the idea of wanting "new" creatures... This is basically the little piddle world building we get. For us long timers, any time we get to see some of the old guys return, it makes the world feel a little more real, that those species are out in the galaxy doing stuff and we can meet them. Similar to Mass Effect, ya know, you go places and hey look... It's a Quarian, what are they up to? Did I read right that you guys are actually planning to watch TAS? Oi. TAS is... It's got a couple good episodes, but i'll be honest... A lot of the time it is boring as shit. If you can imagine the old Scooby Doo Cartoon, but on a lower budget... Yeah. That's Star Trek TAS.

Jeff Cornell

This is my guilty pleasure episode, and one of my favorites of the season, but yeah, it all depends on your enjoyment of Garth (LORD Garth!) as a villain. I don't care about his backstory either. I've just always enjoyed his and Marta's over-the-top hamminess in every scene, and the episode gets away with it because the whole premise is that they're completely insane.

James H
>>104761465

I know at one point you were talking about possibly doing two animated episodes in a single video, but I think the discussion would benefit more from doing each one separately. Just my opinion.

Collin Freeman

Another episode with potential and a few good moments that did not even reach an overall B-grade. You can tell the budget cuts for Season 3 do not help the overall suspension of disbelief. The biggest disappointment for me was Steven Inhat's over-the-top performance as Garth. A potentially very interesting character that never comes close to living up to that potential. He seems to think acting silly and goofy equals being criminally insane. I'm sure the script lines didn't help. I always enjoyed seeing Yvonne (Batgirl) Craig in anything, even here as Marta the Orion crazy woman. Craig had been a dancer/ballerina for several years before this.

deconstructionist66

Kirk versus The Joker and Harley Quinn, a perfectly fun Batman episode. Banned by the BBC until 1994.

Shane Davis

Hate to say fans told you so, but this is Season 3. Personally, only "All Our Yesterdays", the penultimate episode, is the best one left. A few unintentionally hilarous one and the last one will make today's Gen X'er's say "WHAAAAAAA?" TNG is pretty decent from Seasons 3-5, but it'll be great to see you get to DS9.

Ken R

Lord Garth was an unfortunate ham, and everything rests on his shoulders. He's just not good enough an actor to take that on, as compared to Commodore Decker, Edith Keeler, Spock's mother, and choice others who came on the show to do the heavy lifting. It had some good ideas and could probably be remade into a fun movie, but this was a big miss. Basically, if you want to be a Lord and have people kneel you gotta put in the work. This actor didn't sadly. Yvonne Craig was very pretty and knew how to fill a costume, but was no master thespian herself. That said, I'll always love her for her saber dance with frosted swords on Batman.

Carl Peterson

I think Lord Garth and the actor who played him is fine. My issue is with the plot. Nothing really happens. It would have been cooler if pretty early on Garth tricks Kirk and he gives up the move. the Enterprise beams Garth on board and most of the episode is Garth and maybe on other person who can shape shift trying to keep the crew convinced that they are Kirk and Spock. the B plot would be the real Kirk, Spock and the other guy escaping from the other inmates who were let out. Then you would have had some very cool parts for Scotty, Sulu, Uhuru, and Chekov. They could have done something witty and figured it out and eventually beat Garth. Then they get back to the captain and Spock just in time. they save Spock and Kirk from a death at the hands of the other inmates.

Andreas Schmitt
>>104761465

@Josh I understand that you don't want to watch ST Continues as part of your regular watching since you want to watch everything in broadcast order. But maybe watch the pilot episode of that as a Patreon special? I'd love to see your reaction to what they did fresh after watching the original. I don't think anybody out there would be able to compare the two immediately after watching the original for the first time. And then watch the rest in actual broadcast order after everything and see what it feels like then after you've seen all the other stuff. I think that comparison would be really interesting :)

Andreas Schmitt
>>104762639

I think this was yet another episode das was shot and scripted a bit too much like a stage play for Josh and Alex to get much out of it. I think they generally like the more TV like things better (And to be fair, Roddenberry wanted it to be more cinematic and more like an adventure show too)

Mike S. aka Peaky Blinder

I am really looking forward to your reaction to Episode 15 which is one of my all time favorite episodes. The larger message really hit home with me as a teenager watching these episodes after school growing up.

Prof Moff

Clearly, the Orion Slave girl got her part because of her ability to dance (well move in a way that might be considered dance) not because of her acting ; the other inmates got their parts because they fit into the costumes from earlier episodes not because of their acting. The Garth didn't get his part because of acting ability but because of........ his ability to....... well... the fact that he can.....he fit into the giant fur ..no..... um.... okay I don't know why. I'd say he was overacting but honestly it is hard to call that acting at all more like puking and dry heaving words and grunts. Makes me long for the days of the kid episodes so we can see better acting.

Mark Chrisco

Steve Inhat was a fine actor, a bit younger than he appears as Garth. Another actor briefly considered for the lead in this series by Roddenberry.

AzoriusMage

Funny that you mentioned Marta’s acting being Batman like she played Batgirl in the 60’s. Weak episode for sure.

Andreas Schmitt

It'll actually be interesting to see you guys react to the first two seasons of TNG. A lot of people say they're bad (not really just a show trying to find its way.) The real difference is that early on Gene tried to do with TNG what he had planned for a sequel show for Star Trek (The Motion picture changed from being a pilot epidoe of that show through massive rewrites and extensions to a movie) with Kirk. They even used scripts for TNG that had originally been written for that show that never happened. So the earlier TNG seasons feel a lot more like TOS and only after Gene became too sick to continue and Rick Berman took over, the show changed and found its identity as its own thing. Since you both enjoy TOS so much, especially some of the cheesy but special episodes, it'll be interesting what you think of seasons 1 and 2. Maybe you end up really liking them precisely because they're more like TOS :D We'll see, I'm looking forward to it :)

Brad Barter

I believe Captain (excuse me, Lord) Garth wore his coat to look like a cape but I also suspect that it didn't quite fit or was too tight to sit down in and would've ripped if he had.

Brad Barter

Having a green coloured girl go out into a green coloured and green gassed surface to blow up into a green puff of smoke was a bit too green. I mean are we to believe that the green puff of smoke was from her remains blowing to nothing but a green vapour or was the green puff of smoke simply a concentration of the planets poisonous green gases or a mixture of both? Like I said too much green for a single scene.

David Felgate
>>104769920

Yes, Garth was a ham, but when the switch was made from Kirk pounding on the floor in a rage to Garth pounding on the floor, the acting level jumped considerably. That was not one of William Shatner's finest moments.

David Felgate

The thing that has always bothered me about this episode is that Spock was unable to think of a question that Kirk could answer but Garth could not. It could have been something as simple as "What did we discuss in the turbo lift yesterday morning?" or some sort of personal question. Why pick a battle strategy question that any starship captain could guess the answer to?

MertzRocks
>>104761465

I've already suggested and I reiterate that you would definitely enjoy watching and reacting to ST Continues. Once you get past the appearances of the actors portraying the original cast, the stories speak for themselves. Some very interesting call-backs and tie-ins to TOS episodes as well.

Timothy Nikiforovs

As a kid I found the over the top campiness of the performances really amusing. Today, not so much. Garth was just far to childish in his outbursts and just far to unhinged to respect as either a villain or this great captain he's supposed to be. It really did feel like Spock just spent this whole episode holding back and biding his time until the episodes runtime was filled. The whole "most powerful explosive in the universe" was also stupid as fuck. For a tiny little flask like that to "vaporise a planet", it would be a good few orders of magnitude more powerful than antimatter which simply isn't possible, and a portion of it the size of a grain of sand would be like a massive nuke going off. Also it didn't add to the plot in any way, and it's one of those things that should have a major effect on the universe but never does. Definitely a case of S3 living up to it's reputation. Kind of just felt like EVERYONE was phoning it in at this point.

Prof Moff

TOS Sex Scoreboard Marta did NOT get Kirked, Kirk almost got Martyred with a knife. Kirk 11 Chekov 3 Spock 2 Bones 2 Extras: Marta +1 Garth +1 When you have an Orion Slave girl in an episode, someone GOT-IT-ON