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UNCUT REACTION - Star Trek TOS - The Savage Curtain S3E22 (Patreon)

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2023-04-14 14:01:00
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It's the Abe Lincoln episode! 

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Rich Cirivilleri

This episode marks the final appearance of Nichelle Nichols as Lieutenant Uhura until 1979 and Star Trek the motion picture.

MntrTodd

Yes she does.

James H

Zora, the female villain with no lines, was from the planet Tiburon, same as Dr. Sevrin, the leader of the space hippies. As a kid I treated this episode as the tiebreaker between Washington and Lincoln for who was the greatest president. Both of them were on coins and on paper money, but only Lincoln was on Star Trek!

Dion James Pitman

Even though the episode itself is a bit meh, I like the expansion of lore in this episode with specifically "historic" figures specific to Star Trek such as Kahless (the Klingon), Colonel Green and Zora...and especially Surak where we get a bit of backstory on how Vulcan changed. And your reaction was very enjoyable too, especially some of the questions you were asking which show just how curious you have become in the year or so of watching the series.

James H
>>106350582

This was a big deal when they first showed up to record the animated series, because Leonard Nimoy immediately asked, "Where are George and Nichelle?" Filmation had not hired George Takei or Nichelle Nichols, and Nimoy declared that those two represented the diversity of Star Trek and if they weren't in he was out. So Filmation found enough money to get Sulu and Uhura in, but not Chekov. (As a consolation prize, Walter Koenig got to write an episode.)

Tom Occhipinti

Yep, I was waiting for you to see the Abe Lincoln reveal at the beginning of the episode. I really like "All our Yesterdays," which you've already seen but haven't yet published. I look forward to that. After that, is the last episode, "Turnabout Intruder," which is... meh. Then, I suppose, you'll make it through the Animated Series.... I'm REALLY looking forward to your journey through the movies. Across just 6 movies, you'll make it through 12 real-world years between the first TOS movie, and the last one. Odd, that doesn't seem to be a lot of years, but it just was. And the actors do visibly age during that time. For context, Shatner and Nimoy were both 35 years old in 1966.... and 60 years old when they got to their last movie. I remember thinking how old they were by the time they got to their last movie..... And now I realize I'm presently just 4 years younger than that. Ugh.

Andreas Schmitt

Given the average amount of historical knowledge in the general public I wonder if the studio decided on showing Abraham Lincoln in the same chair and pose he's in at the memorial, because they thought otherwise half the audience would have no clue who they're looking at :D

Andreas Schmitt

Remember Kahless, the father of Klingon culture. He'll come up again :) Surak was the Vulcan that helped his people to find logic and end their violent ways. So he's kind of their greatest philosopher and possibly on the level of a Vulcan Jesus (same as Kahless actually). Surak doesn't have the supernatural nature for the Vulcans, but Kahless very much does to the Klingons. Both are seen as their cultures' savior and founder of their modern culture.

Andreas Schmitt

The time humanity first ventured into space will come up in the future content in detail :) You'll have to wait for it hehe

Andreas Schmitt

I agree with you on the creativity on the villains, especially since Kahless will become such an important cultural background for the Klingons later on. But somehow it would have been fun to see Kirk and Spock fight Hitler and Stalin lol. The justification for that 21st century guy instead of Hitler was that he was supposed to be even worse than Hitler and commited even bigger attrocities. He was committing genocide on an even bigger scale with tens of millions killed during the third world war.

Brad Barter
>>106349748

Everyone except Walter Koenig (Chekov) will do either their own voices such as the big 3 or additional voices of the computer, as well as alien voices including added alien Enterprise crew voices. FILMATION due to budget constraints wanted to cut George Takei (Sulu), Nichelle Nichols (Uhura) and Walter Koenig but since Nichelle and Geoge had been there from the very beginning of TOS and the only 2 visible minority crew members, Leonard Nimoy refused to participate if they got cut so unfortunately we lose Chekov in the animated series. He was invited to write and did write one episode of it but after Turnabout Intruder we won't see him again until The Motion Picture. For those doing additional voices listen for James Doohan (Scotty), George Takei (Sulu) and Majel Barrett Roddenberry (Nurse Chapel) will all do multiple voices in the animated series. Also as they completed their five year mission all 3 of them will receive promotions in rank by the first movie to Lieutenant Commander for Uhura and Sulu and Lieutenant for Chekov.

Collin Freeman

Abraham Lincoln was a big hero to Gene Roddenberry, who wrote this episode, as Alex noted. He even named his own business Lincoln Enterprises after ole Abe. I am in agreement with Dion James about this episode, and your reactions. Some good elements and moments, but the overall story and payoff almost ruin it. More 3rd season meh for me.

Steven Johnson

Not a spoiler, but there's something in the Star Trek The Motion Picture novelization that reframes TOS. It basically implies that what we are watching in TOS is the "tall tales" version of "what actually happened." I always think of that moment when episodes like this come up. The novel was written by Gene Roddenberry. Not to spoil anything in Star Trek's future, but we do make first contact within the 21st Century. I won't say any more than that, but it is technically possible that Colonel Greene knew about Vulcans. Though the more interesting thing about Greene is that he ties into the Eugenics wars (Khan). Yes, every time they cut back to the rock monster its because its listening. Remember, the whole point of all this is that they are trying to learn by watching. Abe Lincoln was actually a bit of a tyrannical asshole. Most of what we think of in pop culture as "Abe Lincoln" in terms of personally really fits more with George Washington or President Grant.

Steven Johnson
>>106355525

Interesting you bring up the age thing because it never really hits me until Star Trek V when I start to see the visible age. Uhura has peppery hair in Star Trek V and it makes her look, suddenly, much older, even though it's only a few years between Star Trek IV and Star Trek V. I'm really looking forward to the film reactions as well.

Ken R

Indifferent. It isn't one I ever rewatch much. Scott and McCoy were portrayed as friends kind of in this season and shared a decent amount of screen time. I love the bit they get in the final episode.

Brad Barter
>>106401504

They kept this going with some of the TOS movies showing it is the big 4 not just 3 of them such as in the 3rd movie on the planet surface they show a slow panning shot of McCoy and Scott gazing at Kirk due to the incident that happens there. As well as the two of them being paired together in the 4th film as well.

Brad Barter

The Klingon figure noted here as Kahless whom the rock creature said influenced the Klingon way of life will become of major importance in storylines regarding Klingons in TNG primarily but not until later seasons. So make a note to watch for that. The actor who played Lincoln was in the first few seasons of Dynasty in the early 1980s as (not the butler as that is someone else) but Joseph had the title of Master Domo (fully in charge) of the Carrington Mansion.

James H

The rock creature never gives his name, but in the script he was called Yarnek. I believe the guy in the suit was Janos Prohaska, who also played the Horta and the Mugato. The voice was Bart La Rue, who had done several other voices for Star Trek and played the announcer in “Bread and Circuses” as well as the newscaster in “Patterns of Force.”

Dan Krantz

Bart La Rue was also the voice of The Guardian of Forever in The City On The Edge of Forever.

Gary Leyh

Hey guys, I loved your reaction when Lincoln showed up and Alex's story about hearing of the scene with Uhura was fascinating. Every time I re-watch this episode I can"t get over how well cast the actor who played Lincoln was, he does such great job.

MntrTodd
>>106353492

The real life Tiburon is a suburb of San Francisco. Writer Arthur Heinemann, who worked on both "The Way to Eden" and "The Savage Curtain", was a resident of Tiburon and slipped the name into both scripts as an in-joke.

Scarpad’s Domain

The whole point of the show is that they don’t fight

Timothy Nikiforovs

Certainly not an episode that winds up in many people's top 10 lists, but it did help set the precedent for bringing historical characters into the world of Trek, which Requiem for Methuselah did as well. Savage Curtain has it's flaws, but it tried some interesting ideas. I also remember watching this one a lot as a kid because the whole conflict on the surface and having the heroes have to get by without using phasers kept me on the edge of my seat. And also it has freaking Lincoln in it. Surak and Kahless are also important figures in the lore of Star Trek, and it's kind of weird to think they originated in this fairly obscure episode. Funny though for me I only remember the bits of the episode that take part on the surface, and I remember those parts vividly. The stuff on the ship is almost a blank slate to me, and I forgot how much of the episode that portion of the story took up. Decent episode that introduces some important characters

Prof Moff

TOS Sex Scoreboard Uhura delivers a De-pants-a-ma-sion Proclamation Kirk 11 Chekov 4 Spock 2 Bones 2 Scottie 1 Uhura 1 new +1 Extras: Given how we normally score off screen boinking, we MUST give Uhura a presidential seal-ing. Lincoln wanted to mend a divided nation by giving the ole Gettysburg Undress and taking Uhura to Bull Run.