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UNCUT REACTION - Star Trek TAS ep17 - The Pirates of Orion (Patreon)

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2023-07-20 17:00:06
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AzoriusMage

Memory alpha has this as canon the blue skin is a little odd for an Orion

Dion James Pitman
>>113363698

Apparently there were coloring difficulties which made them appear with this lighter almost blue skin

James H

Fun fact: "Orion" in Star Trek is usually pronounced with the emphasis on the second syllable, but for this episode Shatner recorded his lines first, with no director to correct him, so everyone else had to follow the different pronunciation he used.

Dion James Pitman

Yes, they are meant to be the same Orions as the ones from TOS (same as the illusory Orion played by Vina in "The Menagerie" and Marta in "Whom Gods Destory") , though oddly in this episode Orion is pronounced ORE-EON instead of the usual O-RYAN. It was interesting that you just went with the flow with this new pronunciation and yet still recognized them from TOS. The Orions here also have lighter bluish skin which apparently was a coloring problem with the animation. This episode the first to feature male Orions in their actual form (animation issues aside) rather than one posing as something else, as was the case in "Journey to Babel" where a male Orion was posing as an Andorian and we never got to see him in his true Orion form. And of course, there is a nice callback to "Journey to Babel" as well. This episode was written by 19 year old Howard Weinstein, the youngest person ever to write a Star Trek script. He originally wrote it as a fan-fic for his High School magazine and a year or so later while in College he adapted it into a teleplay and submitted it. It took two attempts to submit the teleplay because the first time it was submitted, it had been sent to DC Fontana who had left the production by this point and she had returned it to Weinstein unopened for legal reasons. Weinstein didn't give up though and tried again and succeeded.

MntrTodd

There weren't really two seasons of TAS. Filmation ordered 22 episodes, and they got 22 episodes and closed the book. Saturday morning cartoons in those days pretty much didn't have any renewal. There probably was a production delay to accommodate the switch in directors, which might explain why the last six episodes were held back to the fall. Howard Weinstein was 19 when he sold this script. That makes him the youngest writer ever to pen a STAR TREK episode in any franchise.

StealthMomo

The way they pronounced Orion in this episode drove my young OCD brain NUTS when it first aired. (as did the blue coloring). Now, as an adult, I have to figure that Shatner mispronounced it, sent in his tape, and probably refused to re-record those lines. So the rest of the cast had to mispronounce it to match up. This is mere speculation, but knowing how Shatner was (especially back then), I'd bet money on it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Side note: Hal Sutherland's signature was on everything Filmation produced at the time, whether he had an actual hand in production not. The various Archie cartoons, The Groovy Ghoulies, the horrendous I Dream of Jennie and My Favorite Martian cartoons, Super Friends, etc. All had the Hal Sutherland sig.

Mike Rogers
>>113399297

It was probably more a case of there not being enough time to have him re-record lines.

Collin Freeman

This is one definitely one of the better episodes of TAS. Howard Weinstein did a good job for his first time out. He wrote a Star Trek novel several years later which I read, The Covenant of the Crown, and found to be a good read, as well. The whole suicide thing is surprising for a Saturday morning cartoon, to be sure, but if you recall from Journey to Babel, the Orion agent disguised as an Andorian committed suicide.

Gary Leyh

I enjoyed that one. You're reaction was fun as well. I'm almost caught up to you - you're going through these so fast! BTW, did you get a haircut Josh? It looks good. 😀

Andreas Schmitt

While the blue color was apparently an animation problem, I don't even think it's that big of a deal. Humans have different skin tones too after all. Why wouldn't aliens have that too?

Timothy Nikiforovs

This was also a pretty solid one for much the same reasons as the last one. This one however I feel would be fairly easy to adapt into a live action episode. It's a fairly dense story that would translate well to a full length episode, and it's competently written. Little painful to hear Orion mispronounced throughout the whole episode, but their ship was pretty cool. The explosive asteroids took me back to the exploding rocks in The Apple. Also nice to see that all the bickering between the 3 leads goes away when one of their lives is in danger as well.

Prof Moff

Sex Scoreboard No scores this ep and MAJOR disappointment. 1. the Orions (O-ryans) do not look like that because we have seen a few of them, so are these OR-Ree-Ons different? 2. reason why that matters is because when Orions are involved there will be some bangin', except here. moving on.