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Oren's Forge PG 311 (Patreon)

Published:
2024-03-18 21:00:03
Edited:
2025-03-19 23:27:04
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2026-06
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Sheatherius

Ooh this is gonna be good! Very perceptive pups!

Dhaka Yeena

Oh interesting, I wonder how swift will take this

Maximus Coyotox

I love how the pups described hemlock just how I would imagine a child would! Like a guardian angel in a sense.

Amaruk

"Mom we saw a flying rabbit!" May be the best line of this series. :-)

Microgrampup

Swift has the wtf face in the background XD.

Pantera

It's interesting that the pups see Hemlock as their saviour. The flying rabbit is a really accurate description of what had happened. I'm sure that up to this moment neither Swift, nor Red (and certainly not Seral!) would thought that a prey animal can attack from up above.

Gale Tazzin

I bet Hemlock noticed the pups saw her as their savior, which might've factored into her decision to spare them. Perhaps she saw in them what she was unwilling to see in Egg or Rask.

TheSheInShenanigans

I wonder how Hemlock would react knowing that she now has two wolf pup fans who are convinced she can fly

Sarah

I love the clear personality differences between the pups, how green-eyes is more steady and amber-eyes is more shaken by what they’ve been through.

Furlop

Oh god. I kind of wish they didn't know.

Givemeyourmilk

"... I mean, first she had a moral crisis about killing us too, but she still saved us!"

Rheanna

Oh, sweet babies. It’s interesting how the dark pup is so caught up in the “flying rabbit” that it seems to have forgotten about Seral while the tan pup is stuck on realizing how close they were to being killed by someone they trusted. Hopefully the pups will keep surviving so we can see how this affects them in the long term

BritishRabbit

The poor pup in the top left panel almost in tears, my heart.

UrsusArctos

I wonder if Hemlock spared the pups only because she noticed Swift and Red’s approach and didn’t like her chances against two adult wolves without the element of surprise. She’s fearless, but not stupid.

Grey

This is a fun twist. Really looking forward to seeing how Hemlock evolves after this scene.

Kairo

I have a question. The pups seemed to know and understand Serals intentions...but how? Did Swift tell them pup killing was a thing? Be casue when Seral first showed up, they seemed relieved. From the perspective of the pups, Seral turned around and went off to hunt rabbit, and was killed. He had only decided to act on killing the pups in his own mind when Hemlock killed him. So how would the pups interprept this as being saved when they didnt know?

RandomDragon2.0

They already thought he was acting weird. My guess is they figured it out when Seral turned back to them with his teeth bared

Givemeyourmilk

I don't think they knew the plan per se, but I'm fairly certain he had turned back around towards them before being killed, which means that expression in panel 3 was certainly reserved for them, and they likely saw it. I think they were relieved at first, but combine that with their mother's warning to be afraid, and his weird behavior in hindsight before getting poked... They must have put together at least a little that Seral might have had bad intentions for them.

dobbs

Probably a decent amount of time has passed between Seral’s demise and the parents arriving. Hemlock probably wouldn’t have spent the time collecting Seral’s tail if she sensed more wolves about to arrive, and I can’t imagine her doing it before going after the pups if that was her intent.

dobbs

Possibly remembering how she got that cut on her shoulder.

Marcwolf

We only saw the back of the green eyed cub when Seral was standing infront of them with a raised rock and a serious expression on bis face. The cub could have just awoken when Seral spotted the rabbit. Page 301...

MaxyBlack

ok, I have to ask because that was bothering me for a while. How do you know which wolf is male or female?

Marcwolf

Maybe she can appreciate Rask and Egg more - seing that they do not kill just for killings sake.

Marcwolf

I originally thought it was the eye colors.

Briana Burch

Enough time has passed for the ravens to start picking pieces off and for her to get his tail. She spared them intentionally.

Teagan Gavet

The pups are awake when Red and Swift are going over plans (page 261), combined with them leaving their home in the middle of the night, and Swift telling them they're in danger when she leaves them in the woods-- my thoughts were the pups put it together pretty quickly that Seral was the danger. However, I can appreciate that being kind of nebulous. I'll look back at adding a line or two about Seral when they're all talking on 261, and maybe shore that up.

Teagan Gavet

The short answer: In the story, there's no specific 'tell' for gender, outside of dialogue. Swift and Scree are the only two adult wolves referenced to be female, who are currently in the comic. Red, Gristle, Seral, Ramble and Singer are all referenced as male. And a bonus ramble! It was a conscious decision to make the characters exhibit little to no sexual dimorphism, as they might in the wild. For the majority of animals in this comic, gender plays no role outside of breeding, and I didn't want to introduce unnecessary and burdensome gender stereotypes to animals that don't have them. For instance, in the wild, a female wolf and a male wolf have statistically the same probability of a successful hunt. I like to think their society treats one another equally based on sex, focused more on individual accomplishments. It's quite possible that outside of the breeding season, all wolves identify as a third asexual gender (there are many cultures around the world that recognize three or more genders, based on community roles.) However, in the world of Oren's Forge, some animals would organically put more emphasis on sex and gender in their societies, like deer and elk, who exhibit sexual dimorphism. I suspect their social situation is a lot different. Anyway, I think it's great that people have to question characters' genders, and ask themselves if it matters. They aren't human, after all. This story isn't allegory. Of course, I only hold the keys to canon. You're free to gender-bend or reinterpret or disregard things in the headspace you have set aside for these characters/this story.

UrsusArctos

dobbs, you and Briana both make good points about the amount of time passing. Yeah, I got this one wrong.

UrsusArctos

Briana, thanks for pointing that out. I concede. Perhaps Hemlock has a heart after all or maybe she just wanted the pups to survive and tell the tale of a rabbit taking down a wolf.

Gale Tazzin

They had very different takeaways from the episode. One is still trying to grapple with how closely they came to being killed, and the other has just accepted that because the flying rabbit was much more interesting to think about

MaxyBlack

I was more curious about the art style, love the guide on your deviant art. But was curious if there are any differences in how you draw male and female wolves. In the beginning, I thought the eyebrows were the hint because Red has thick eyebrows but Swift has thin but later I noticed that Singer also has thin. Right now I was thinking maybe there is a difference in size since males often tend to be larger compared to females.

MaxyBlack

also, love your style. The guide from Deviantart is a great resource for someone who wants to learn to draw

Kairo

Okay, I didnt know they were aware, since they seemed relieved to see Seral. They didnt seem scared of the rock in his hands, they mostly seem confused. Which made me think they didnt know.

Tee

Have to say I LOVE the framing on Hemlock on the right. The light breaking through the trees really gave her wings

Briana Burch

I think this is more an issue of herself reliving the death of her own children. The brutal torture they went through and their deaths. A daughter and son. Just like the pups. IMO killing them was too much even for her. I predict we'll see some scenes of either her breaking down cause her reality of predators evil/prey good is shattered or one of the other characters commenting/teasing that she indeed has a heart.

Sarah

I love this! It’s honestly so refreshing to be able to immerse in a world where gender doesn’t matter as much, and I very much love a bonus Ramble xD

J P

Love how Seral triggered Hemlock by trying to kill pups with a rock.

Teagan Gavet

Ah, gotcha! Well, to be honest, there isn't a lot of differences between how I draw them. Though, slimmer muzzles, slighter build, a hint of a more feminine eyelash will go a long way-- more of the male wolves I draw have a "Roman nose" (like a German Shepherd), and are a bit bulkier, with bigger paws/hands.

TheSheInShenanigans

Very well thought. It is very good writing-a character who sees only in black and white is forced to acknowledge the grey in between