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Oren's Forge PG 328 (Patreon)

Published:
2025-01-20 22:00:05
Edited:
2025-03-19 23:25:21
Imported:
2026-06

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Dhaka Yeena

Well at least she’s listening

BiasMushroom721

Well, lady. Seeing as you and those pups are currently being HUNTED DOWN, maybe you should reconsider your approach here, SEEING AS YOU ARE PREY RIGHT NOW

Rachel

She remembers a squirrel saved her children and she will NOT want to eat them

Demoriel

She's talking like the top of the food-chain that she is, but she also is accepting the offering and seems to be leaving peacefully. Hoping for the best for everyone!

Briana Burch

Her words speak war, but her actions speak peace. Excellent visual representation of her internal struggle.

TheGreatSako

I love seeing them use their sniffers~

Rachel

Yes :)

Torakhan

... and she's realizing that she and her family are now prey too.

LukeOnTheBrightSide

If a crazy person found you on the street and shouted, “THE CHEESE WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE!”, you’d probably not opt for “I’d like to hear more!” That’s almost exactly what Swift is going through.

Kenny Rosser

This was the best I was hoping for. She's got a huge internal struggle to deal with and those parting words weren't just for Rask.

Misha Malamute

I bet that she doesn't eat the eggs but rather takes them back to her pups and her mate.

LukeOnTheBrightSide

Wonder if Rask will realize that not eating them immediately means pups are nearby!

Grump's Hangout

Woah what an intense scene! I love it. The hurry to find eggs was a good choice, shame they don't have fish at hand.

Sarah

I love the contrast between Rask’s expression and the fear/aggression on the faces of everyone behind him

dobbs

But cheese tho…

Lord ryven

My only qualm is that she came here specifically to find refuge for her family. And her actions here don't really speak to that. My theory is that wolves need to always project strength. A wolf pack wouldnt accept someone who looks weak, or comes to them with empty hands and need the pack to survive. So this is Swift trying to be intimidating, so her target audience is more inclined to let her and her family join them. Or she is vetting them, to see if this could actually be a safe place for her family if she decides to go there. If I was her, I wouldnt want to go join a bunch of weaklings that NEED me to survive, when I am trying to find a place to help protect my family.

treefiddy

Look at it from Swifts perspective. You have a rival pack who's going to hunt you down, you're too injured to realistically escape via your initial plan, and you have a marten who says that there is as place you could be safe. You know that securing food is going to be essential for your survival, and that these woods DO have plenty of prey available. So you take the gamble on listening to the marten in the hopes that they have a larger community that hunts the abundant prey in this forest. While it may seem strange to work alongside those you'd normally consider prey, at least there's common ground in that you're both predators. You'd be able to put that aside assuming they'd be able to assist in the hunt. Especially given the fact that these prey animals seem to be much more dangerous than normal prey. When you show up to the shores you find the marten talking to the prey, your initial hopes appear to be wrong. So as a last saving grace, you ask if this is just the new way of hunting and gathering food. In your mind, prey animals ARE your primary food source, they eat all the other food so you're left with having to eat them. Trying to compete with them for food is out of the question. So when the marten responds by saying that you can't hunt here or else you'll be killed, they're saying that this isn't the place you were hoping for. That you can't provide food for your family here, and that the person you were expecting to work alongside is just another prey animal like all the others. They offer you a small amount of food, so you take that as a hint to leave knowing you're outmatched in this situation. But you have to let them know that you're not going to be intimidated by them, hoping that it'll at least keep them from hunting you down as well.

Lord ryven

Thats actually a great point, and it changes how I am reading the conversation. She didnt see the Martin working with prey animals earlier did she? she arrives and she's like.. "oh, you keep them alive, so you can eat them at your leisure? thats a new idea. I do remember some Zenith pack wolves mentioning not having to hunt anymore.. maybe you have the same strategy." Although, I do not think Swift is intimidated by them. I don't think the idea that these prey could actually kill or defeat you is even in her mind. "Seral was killed, but he got ambushed, caught unaware. I am not unaware! GRRrrr!"

treefiddy

So far Swift has only seen prey directly working together twice; when she was hunting Baneberry, and now. She hasn't really given any indication that she believes the weird fire wielding mouse and hare were working in concert with each other, let alone with Rask. Heck, even her own pack didn't handle working together altruistically very well. In her mind everyone has been acting out of pure self interest. Even the people she believed she could trust turned around and betrayed her, like Scree showing up following Singer. So she has little reason to actually give anyone the benefit of the doubt. So, given her experience with the world, she's not going to immediately assume that Rask is trying to help her, or that all these prey are actually living in a community that works together altruistically to protect and provide for each other. She's stuck in the world where she's alone in the struggle to survive. That's not going to change in the 30 seconds or so that this conversation happens over, at least not with what has been said so far. That may change once she's able to talk things through with Red, and once she starts to make the logical conclusions of what she just saw. It's a tough say whether or not she is actually intimidated by the spears. On one hand, she's often overconfident that she can overcome any obstacle or challenge in her way. On the other hand, she also acknowledges that she was once in a position where Rask could have killed her, and she saw Serals dead body. So assuming she believes her pups story, she knows that these prey are actually quite dangerous. On the last page, it appears that she had her tail tucked between her legs (in the second to last panel). So that would lead me to believe that she really is intimidated by the spears, and that all the apparent tough girl attitude is just a bluff. (also, for anyone not in the discord, these are the conversations and speculation that happens all the time over there)

LukeOnTheBrightSide

Really good points by y’all. I’d also add that literally the *first* thing Rask said to her in this scene was threatening to kill her, so… bluff or not, it’s understandable that the conversation isn’t the easiest. Their lives have largely been determined by who can kill who. Rask saying, “if you hunt here, they’ll kill you” is a HUGE deal. It’s not just a personal threat, but a threat to Swift’s whole expectation and experience of how life works. I think I’d have trouble being respectful and patient with someone who starts the conversation with, “everything you know is wrong AND we’ll kill you.” Swift is basically saying, “I’d like to see you try.” But she’s not instigating the fight, and she made her initial approach clear and obvious. She is being lenient… in her own way.

JeffMakesGames

From this page, we can better grasp just how BIG everyone actually is in this world. I can only hope Swift sees reason.