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Oren's Forge PG 399 (Patreon)

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2026-08-24 21:00:06
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2026-09
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JeffMakesGames

WHEW, RUN HEMLOCK. Also, that surprised look. They didn't expect rabbits to have sharp weapons. Ramble wants to give chase but is told no. I wonder who or what Hap actually expected to find in the woods, wielding these sharp weapons??? Did they expect pronghorns??? In any case, telling Ramble not to pursue may mean that they expect some kind of trap ahead. Wonder if this means they will retreat back to the grasslands... and whether the Bison gets involved now...

Houndstooth

Hm. So maybe Hemlock didn't have a plan after all XD

Dhaka Yeena

I love how Singer looks very spooked like their timbers are shivered

SJ

The events between this and the previous page are a PERFECT example of why people shouldn’t over analyze a single page of a planned long form comic…

SJ

Turns out wolf faces are a great springboard

Furlop

Boing'd outta there!

Julian Seguin

It’s nothing else she’ll live to warn the rest of the Hollow.

treefiddy

Well, a lot of the over-analysis wasn't necessarily that this wouldn't happen. Hemlock using Pivot as a springboard and running off was the expected outcome. The over analysis was with what exactly Hemlock was thinking in the first place. The only reason she's not currently being chased down is because the Zenith wolves are scared of there being an ambush. Which is something Hemlock doesn't know, and wouldn't have any reason to assume. It's still crazy to me that Hemlock even attempted this stunt in the first place, knowing full well that even if she had killed Ramble, that she would be weaponless and vulnerable against the 3 other wolves standing right there. She knows from her interaction with Rask and Yarrow that predators aren't spooked by being jumped at and nearly killed with weapons. Frankly, even by Hemlock standards, this is a really stupid and downright suicidal decision. We know Hemlock is fanatical, but she's never demonstrated being full on willingly suicidal.

SJ

Dude

Uzuri

Heh, she pivoted on Pivot XD

Rovel Renard

Wait, this could be a trap. Maybe there's more bunnies.

BritishRabbit

It was only bad luck she didn't actually add to her killcount and she clearly had a plan of escape in mind already. It's an entirely functional hit-and-run attack where she knows the terrain and they don't so her odds of escape are pretty solid. Plus she had reason to think it'd connect and kill given her previous attack did just that. Taking down another wolf would demoralize the pack and take down an opponent that is, in a straight up fight, profoundly dangerous.

teagangavet

I'll be frank, the 'over-analysis' borders more on needlessly hyper-critical territory than actual character analysis. I am tired of hearing "this is stupid; this character is making stupid choices." I don't need approval but I also don't want to hear "Well, if *I* was Ahab, I'd just *kill* the whale!" every week. Analysis is asking why someone behaves the way they do, not about assigning your opinion to a character's actions-- especially not when you have no idea what is on the next page.

SJ

I agree with you! I was trying to be charitable when I called it over analyzing. I’ve been holding in complaints for weeks now, and I’m merely a reader. Thank you for giving us all something to look forward to on Mondays 💖!

teagangavet

Thanks— you get it. Obviously, Hemlock would employ guerilla tactics when outnumbered by stronger foes. I don’t think people really appreciate how shocking it would be to have the guy next to you get run through suddenly from above. All Hemlock has to do then is run, and there is one less wolf in the world. It saddens me that Hemlock rarely gets described as brave or tenacious, she’s always ‘stupid’ or ‘suicidal’ or ‘mean.’

teagangavet

to SJ - Sorry, to be perfectly clear, Patreon does a TERRIBLE job distinguishing comments/comment trees, so my comment about over-analyzing was a reply to treefiddy, not for you! (the way comments work here is honestly one reason I don't chime in often.)

treefiddy

Y'all are right, I'm doing it again. Ughhhh Sometimes I'm really not the best at saying what I'm thinking without sounding super confrontational or standoffish. There's always a lot more context I want to add in when I say these things, but I also don't want to sit here for 5 hours writing an entire book over what can easily be explained by "this character made a rash decision without thinking, that didn't go how they planned, and looks *really* bad if you assume they had thought it through" So before anyone reads the full "this guy desperately needs to touch grass, or talk to a therapist" exposé below, let me ask this: is this another situation that has that easy explanation of "x character (Hemlock) definitely didn't think this one all the way through"? And look, I wasn't going to say anything about what I was thinking on this page and just chok it up to "stupid rash decision", but the whole passive aggressive comment about "this is a perfect example of why you shouldn't over-analyze a page" really rubbed me the wrong way and got me annoyed. Because it sets this precident that people aren't allowed to have opinions or voice those opinions based on what's presented in front of them (even if some future unknown even will render them null and void). Yes, I need to do better in voicing said opinions (I will fully admit), but nobody ever admits and sets the ground rule that yes, this character is just simply acting stupid in this moment or even someone with authority just saying "shut up and wait". It's all radio silence on that front until things get so bad and out of hand that comments have to be turned off. So don't read below (or take it seriously) if the above "this character made a rash decision" scenario is true: I guess my point in assuming Hemlock thought about this, is that there is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, and they often times aren't mutually exclusive. Hemlock standing her ground to Yarrow is brave, her not slinking back to the Hollow and staying out alone after the wolves attacked Baneberry is brave. Her taking down Seral is brave. You can see her the emotions and fear in her eyes in all of those, but also the determination to overcome that fear. and that is what bravery is, stoicism in the face of fear. Yes, she is brave in all those scenes, but those aren't the current scenes in front of me (as an analogy) MLK standing at the Lincoln memorial giving the "I have a dream" speech is bravery, but if he had gone completely alone in front of a certain white-robe "rally" in the Appalachian mountains and tried to give the same speech, people wouldn't call that bravery, they'd call it stupidity. Even though it 'technically' would also be a form of bravery. Likewise, I really don't think it's outside the realm of probability of Hemlock to do this, but I'm still within my right to call it for what it is. Yes, having someone being run through right in front of you would no doubt be shocking. But at the same time, in Hemlocks own experience, that shock factor isn't something you can rely on to save your ass even if you just skedadle immediately. Rask was, for all intents and purposes, ran through from Yarrow's point of view. I don't think it would have mattered if Rask was fully skewered vs lightly grazed in that exact moment. Yarrow didn't sit there and logically reason out what just happened, he reacted instinctively and leapt right back at her. Even if Hemlock had run instead of standing her ground, Yarrow likely would have given chase and caught her. That is the information Hemlock current has to base her decisions off of. She has zero reason to believe that the wolves wouldn't give her chase after taking one out. Which is where the confusion comes from with her decisions, because they just don't make sense if you assume she is playing with a full deck at the moment.

Gale Tazzin

Singer has learned a thing or two about when to walk away from a fight

Sarah

I love how calm and matter of fact Hap and Pivot are being here. Despite the brush with death they aren’t flustered, they’ve seen the spears before and having one in the hands of a rabbit is no more intimidating than the pronghorns were. Bless Ramble he’s got no idea of the potential danger, for all he knows there are 5 more Hemlocks waiting along her escape route

Bog-rez

I really like how inquisitive Hap seems. And pretty open to new information, as we've seen with ravens. I quess that's a part of what made her the Moon in the first place. I can't wait to find out and simultaneously fear what way to deal with sharp animals she found.

Tomcat

I wonder if her spear being stolen will be a reason why Hemlock returns to the Hollow: She needs another one.

BritishRabbit

I stick by what I said when I first started reading Hems is my favourite, she's flawed definitely but I think you do a good job of highlighting her virtues too. Bravery and tenacity are definitely major virtues of hers but people miss that she cares deeply about her people and the denizens of the hollow. You see it when she's interacting with her group when the wounded Rabbit is being helped to safety and they're all shaken up. Or when she flipped out on Rask for being too close to the kits. When she couldn't bring herself to attack two pups even though cold logic might say she ought to. All the characters are fun, complicated individuals but Hems is #1 for me. I'm so glad we're seeing more of her.

Lilybug-02

Gosh I love Hemlocks character and hope she continues to protect the hollow in whatever way she can. But man I’m worried about her leaving her spear. There’s only so much good metal in the world.

Lord ryven

Yeah, im hoping we findout there is a family of hares or something nearby that she did this crazy move to protect. Or there is an actual ambush set and hemlock runs past rows of spears and a 600lb deadfall trap to crush a wolf.

Lord ryven

That is a good point, and maybe the point of this scene. Or maybe the point is to disarm hemlock so she can’t just kill swift when they meet. Although I do not think hemlock would win that fight,

Lord ryven

I wonder if hemlocks dirty dozen have the training and confidence to ambush wolves. Any 1 of these wolves could kill the whole defense of hallow. 4 of them are insurmountable,

BC

It saddens me that years of defending Hemlock to the point where even I feel it's unhealthy has gone unnoticed.

XanderK31

@treefiddy You say you realize that you're "doing it again", and then proceed to continue doing it..

Grey

You can state opinions on a body of work without insulting the author who reads the comments every week by saying that the characters are written as stupid. There’s no additional context needed to what you said. Like, you comment this sort of stuff a lot. Maybe chill a bit. You can provide analysis and theories without being abrasive.

Grey

Ohh good point

Lord ryven

Everyone should calm down or step back for a minute, we’re all furries here, or furry adjacent, we all love the same stuff. sometimes when people are real passionate about a subject they very much analyze it and like to talk about it. Sometimes that’s more negative than it needs to be. I don’t think threefiddy is tryin to be caustic or abrasive. And many of us are autistic on some level, and even the neurotypical in the community sometimes have a tough time appropriately expressing themselves.

Lord ryven

Sure she did. Kill one and run away. But I think if her spear had landed, pivot would have grabbed hemlock instead of a spear haft. Also, we need to show some respect for pivots hand paw coordination. You know how hard it is to catch something like that? She spotted it, reached out and caught a spear less then a foot from impaling someone and stopped its momentum dead. With what must be a 40lb rabbit behind it. Super bad ass.

Lord ryven

That’s what she said, I mean hemlock when she is telling this tail;p

Lord ryven

I’m not sure what you mean. Also it’s important to note that these are animals with not even a single generation of martial knowledge. There is no training, no wisdom to pass down from previous battles. So it’s very possible these characters make mistakes we think are dumb, because we have the benefit of watching tons of movies that have made all of us comparative experts in tactics and combat. Would I do this? Absolutely not, but to be honest, I’d be disappointed in the story if hemlock starts executing dynamic ambushes and creating sophisticated traps it took humanity generations to learn and pass down. If the next scene has hemlock trapping the forest like Dutch in predator. I’d question Teagan’s writing far more than ignorant characters doing ignorant things. That’s my two cents

Lord ryven

I’m sure at least 3 poop nuggets hit the ground simultaneously.

Wyn Bird

I absolutely love the "flow" of this page. So many different expressions and reactions but they all work together to establish that surprise and define the characters!