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Dominant - A Joy To Behold (1988/89): Part 4 (Patreon)

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As the modernisation at Rangers often ran contrary to other events throughout Britain in 1988/89, David and Alan are here with Martyn to go through the conclusion to the season which had ups and downs on the pitch and a sensational transfer story brewing off of it. 

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John Myles

Thank you for talking about the st johnstone semi final because when ever hillsborough is mentioned I tell the story that it was sheer luck that there weren’t 2 tragedies that day, this is the 1st time I’ve heard anyone else talk about this. I was in the jungle and don’t remember anything too bad during the game maybe it was a blessing that Rangers didn’t score but when leaving I was genuinely fearful of my life, growing up hearing my dad talk about his experience in the Ibrox disaster and all of a sudden I was getting crushed , feet not touching the ground and no control of the direction I wanted to go, I’ve never need so relieved when I eventually got out , I never went back to the jungle, I never had a problem swapping any tickets I got for there for a Celtic end one in semis or finals or I would have missed out

Fraser Martin

Fortunately I was in the main stand at the semi. People go on about health and safety gone mad but I’m so thankful we don’t have the volume and regularity of tragedy that we did in the 80s.

Scott Watson

Another superb episode, thank you all very much. Quite apart from being fascinating, it was a welcome tonic from the disappointment of the weekend I must admit, rather shamefully, that I had never even heard of the semi final incident before this, so I am very thankful to you all for expanding my knowledge I have plenty of recollections of Archie MacPherson's commentary from the early part of my football memory and listening to the show has reminded me that my overwhelming impression of his archetypal coverage of a goal is always "[Player Name]....[long pause]...[cheer]...[more pause]... IT'S THERE!!" which seems, shall we say politely, a little bit lacking in comparison certainly to more modern commentators. Was this more typical of TV of a certain vintage or was he always a bit of a one off?

Lewis Wardrope

This series has been superb. My dad was going week in and week out as part of the Kinross Loyal in this period. So it’s good to hear other perspectives of the games he’s told me about hundreds of times. Also good to take your mind off the turgid domestic performances this season. Even if it’s only for an hour or so a week

Gordon Smith

Do you remember Whateveries getting a massive supply of the Rangers Admiral shell suits ? Everyone has one that summer (‘91 ?). Also Scotland 1990 white shell suit is the best piece of clothing ever made. Fact.

Martyn Ramsay
>>81288141

The changing art of commentary is something I’m having a wee look at too. Archie will have taken that lead from Coleman I think. He loved the pause and the simple “1-0”. Today is manic as is the general football coverage. The comms are too often caught up in the drama instead of being the controlled voice that narrates and shapes it. Guy Mowbray during Eng v Ger in the summer felt such an exception. There first goal he just stopped and let the noise of the crowd do the job. There was nothing he could add or needed to add for a few seconds. Compared to Matterface et al who would have been rabbiting on at great speed

Johnnie Mitchell
>>81285543

As you say John, it’s down to pure luck there wasn’t a tragedy at Parkhead that day also. As a 14yo at the time, I didn’t realise how spoiled I was attending Ibrox and the safeness of it.

Scott Watson
>>81288141

Great points - more is definitely not always better and, for that matter, neither is more recent. All very interesting and I shall look forward to the Ramsay treatment of the subject in due course Maybe you should write a book on it 😀

Steve Clark

A couple of weeks before mo johnstone signed the Sunday post had a picture of him in a Rangers jersey with the headline “crazy transfer rumours”

Martin Boyd

Was at the Hearts game when Sterland did his thing but I have no memory at all of the Aberdeen game , must have been the drink 🤷‍♂️

Gary Shaw

Martyn,I had to chuckle at your Mark Walters story about the cycling shorts because I was the exact same as you(similar age)…I loved Walters that much that I can remember him in the Skol Cup Final with the white markings from the lines down his leg and with him being a black man,it looked so cool…not quite the same effect on a wee peely wally 8yr old trying to re-enact with the white gravel on my Primary School pitch 😂

Callum Dinnen

Tried to make this point for last week's show; if in an alternate universe it's Davie Dodds who scores the late winner in October 88 to give Aberdeen the League Cup, but it's Chris Morris who sclaffs the ball to McCoist to score the winning goal to give Rangers a league and Scottish Cup double that this side would stand out a bit more from their contemporaries due to winning the Scottish Cup rather than the League Cup?

Martyn Ramsay
>>81299895

Yes, I think so to an extent. There’s also just so much the memory can keep alive and the Souness introduction is unforgettable but there’s just so much to come after 89 that it gets lost. Hopefully we’ve shed a bit of light back on a great team.

Gary Brown

Thanks for this amazing series. I'm waaay back at the beginning 'binge-listening' the boxset to catch up. Looking forward to the book in due course.

John Johnston

The main reason we lost the cup final is that we had no natural playmaker in the middle of the park why Souness was on the bench. I think we put Stuart Munroe in a man marking role on McStay when it should have been bomber as he mainly played there for Dundee.

Samuel Campbell

I too used to go to games when I was younger in full kit including boots sometimes

Craig

One of the best shows on the network! Great to hear about matches that I was too young to appreciate being only 4 at the time!

Christopher Doak

It's funny things that stay in your mind. Aitken blootering the ball out the stadium in the dying minutes when they got a free kick near our corner flag.

Steven

Another great show guys. I remember listening in on my dad and uncle talking as my uncle had been told that rangers were interested in Maurice Johnstone. Neither were impressed!

John Myles

I’m with Alan that cup final loss was one of the worst feelings I’ve felt watching Rangers

John Myles

The title win against Hearts , does anyone remember Hearts getting the top of the broamloan and at half time the Hearts fans throwing chairs down to the Rangers fans, I got a old work mate 2 tickets my supporters bus had and watching from the east enclosure these seats dropping like envelopes and thankfully missing the bears

Alan Bradley
>>81357406

I can’t remember the chairs John, but recall that at that game and others around that period Hearts would bring a large away support. Also remember being in that end v Aberdeen previously when they were at their peak, definitely bother that day too John. Clearly I was well behaved as usual. 😉

Gordon Smith

I am sure Bill Mcmurdo dismissed the tax story as nonsense while being interviewed by Steven Harrigan on this network ?

Martyn Ramsay
>>81359792

Like many stories of the era, the protagonist’s accounts are varied even amongst themselves!

Raymond Paxton

Great listening again, thank you. With regard to the cup semi final, I was behind the goal at the home end, after the game I heard brief snippets of the "aggro" at Hillsborough. I assumed , going by what little I heard, that their had been a pitch invasion, both sets of fans had been fighting, leading to the game abandonment. Obviously, this was before instant media and news, no radio on the corporation buses or trains, so I was not aware of the full horror of Sheffield until later that evening. Younger fans may struggle to believe how much of crumbling hovel Parkhead was at the time, a terrible stadium that was an accident waiting to happen

Raymond Paxton

On a lighter note, I was in the pitch side stand for the replay against St J, the respect paid to the deceased at Hillsborough by the Rangers support was impeccable. But what I also remember was the constant songs/banter towards the Police on the track.

Dougie

A central midfield of Munro and Ferguson in that cup final. 😦

Alan Byers

Brilliant listen again, love this pod! PS I was in section J of the Rangers end chanting “we want the Rangers “ long after the final whistle.

Alan Byers

That would’ve been me as well Alan but I used public transport!!

Gary Shaw
>>81371619

I’m the same as you,Alan….I remember crying my eyes out as a 7 year old after this game….Now a seasoned campaigner at 39 and I still don’t take defeat any better…

Scott Christian
>>81364779

I was in the Rangers end. My first trip to parkhead (what a dump and I don’t even say that with the blue tinted specs; Somerset Park where I used to go regularly was of a better standard). This was definitely the rumour at the start going round where I was; “the Liverpool fans are rioting again”. I don’t think it was until the end of the game and listening to the radio that we finally understood the extent of that horrific event. We went to my step-brother’s gran’s afterwards. She hugged us both and was very upset, clearly some memories of 71 resurfacing there on reflection.

Ross Adair

Brings back memories as always and here’s one I don’t believe I’ve heard mentioned on the pods or seen in the comms. I have a recollection of Ally being interviewed I think the night before, or morning of the Cup Final in the build up saying when the teams came out the first thing he’d do was wave to his ‘wee pal Mo’ in the Main Stand. Never heard about it since but later thought it obviously implied he knew about the deal. Would imagine if anyone told Ally it would have been Johnston himself & not Souness. Thinking was a wee secret Ally was enjoying to himself but if anyone else knew, Gough springs to mind as a Scotland colleague, maybe it affected their mindset on the day as they knew how big a GIRUY it was about to be. Does anyone else mind that seemingly throwaway comment from Ally? or had I had too many frozen kwenchy cups and imagined the whole thing 😅

Scott Christian

Another fabulous trawl through that season chaps. So many small occurrences that I wasn’t aware of previously. I certainly remember Ferguson’s shoulder issues but I couldn’t remember him not playing that final. It really was a time of transition. The 80s was littered with tragic events; in addition to those mentioned there was King’s Cross & Bradford fires as well as the Clapham Junction rail crash. I like the allegory around Rangers being a vanguard in shifting attitudes and embracing (or even influencing) what was to come in the 90s. And I agree about the team, they were a genuine joy to watch this season. (And Martyn, I picked up on the shell-suit/November reference so it wasn’t wasted!) Man City fans will claim to have started the inflatables craze (the bananas were the mainstay at Maine Road but there was no malicious connotation with those). I’m not sure if they were the original source but they certainly embraced more than most- you could buy inflatable bananas in the club shop!). And one last point, people wore cycling shorts as a fashion accessory too; they were extremely popular with girls on the rave scene!

Martyn Ramsay
>>81387309

Don’t remember the comment mate but no Rangers players knew then. McCoist talks about that Souness comment in the dressing room afterwards and not really giving it any thought. Johnston told him at the Scotland camp the week after the cup final.

Gary Shaw
>>81387309

Too many quenches I think ,Ross😂….Super said the first he heard was on Scotland duty when Mo was his roommate the week later for the England game…Seem to remember Coisty saying he just buried his head under the covers when he told him and that it was the hardest secret that he had ever kept

Ross Adair
>>81387309

🤷‍♂️ Scotland camp stuff rings a bell but if I can find that footage it’ll prove Ally was ITK 😅 Will press the Skipper on it at NARSA too. Last resort, Steven Harrigan probably has MoJo’s digits in his little black book.

Martyn Ramsay
>>81387309

He’ll have just been winding him up because he was coming back to Celtic and that was the big story at the time. Definitely first told during the following week

Gary Shaw
>>81387309

I remember when Mo signed that Souness asked Ally to do a press conference to say that he and the rest of the squad were all in support of the move but Ally told him to F off because he was scared someone would put his Mums windows in 😂

Gary Shaw
>>81387309

One of my best memories of Mo (apart from the goals against them) was the game against Arsenal in that British Champions game around Christmas time and he wore they wee Rangers magic gloves that everybody had….That’s when I knew he had bought in to being a bear 😂

Scott Christian

Wasn’t there blue mesh fences across both enclosures at Ibrox during the previous season? I have a vague recollection they were installed with the excuse of the minor pitch invasions v St Mirren on the last day of 86/87 & were in place for the following season?

Paul Dunnachie

Great coverage of a team that did play a great blend of technical football with some savvy & a bit of physical presence. The treble would have seen this team held in much higher esteem - no doubt about it. They were very much of the time but I think an team with that blend could hold their own in today’s football. It was all about building now though - how do you make the team just a bit better? The foundations were there and I think most folk could see it.

Eric Stewart

The bananas craze definitely was from Manchester City fans. It all stemmed from the then City striker Imre Varadi, at an away game somewhere there were for whatever reason I don’t know people on the pitch before kick off dressed as bananas and the City fans were chanting ‘bananas, bananas’ and Varadi thought they were chanting his name so he started applauding the City fans. He became known as Imre Banana after that.

Callum Dinnen

Binging my way back through the series and now we've moved on to Walter's era, a question I have is what you guys would pick as a 'Souness XI', and do you think Souness' XI beats Smith's XI? I have a sneaking suspicion that how solid we were at the back under Souness might give his team the edge.