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The Forum - How Should We Judge The Past? (Patreon)

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2023-09-19 06:01:00
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Martyn goes back to the perennial question of history and how we do it as he is joined by fellow Rangers author David Herd to discuss how best to assess the achievements and failures of yesteryear and what is at stake if we get it wrong.

Comments

David Herd

Thanks for inviting me on to the show Martyn, really enjoyed it.

Chris Scott

There's potential here, boys. I would be really interested to hear the pair of you going back and forward regularly on the network.

Allan Osborne

I really enjoyed that guys and look forward to more from you both in the future 👍

David Kiltie

Martyn and Davie, well done on a great pod. You covered some of the ground Davie discussed with David Best on the recent Reading Rangers pod on the 1977/78 season, which was my second season of following the Bears closely. The stereotype of Jock Wallace as simply a disciplinarian who frightened players into running through brick walls and whose teams simply overpowered opponents is questioned. Davie pointed out that the 1977/78 team was a prototype of the modern 4-2-3-1, with Doddie and Russell in the engine room, McLean and Cooper wide and Smith as a number 10 (or should I say, an enganche!) behind DJ. You also reference the 8 in a row season. That was my last season living in Scotland before returning to London and I recall the constant fawning praise by the media for Tommy Burns’ side and the belittling of Rangers as a side who could only grind out results whilst Celtic played amazing football. When that season reached the “business end“ it was not often pointed out that Rangers had the better goal difference, a fact which did not fit the narrative. Another comical media line spun back then was that whilst Rangers flopped dismally in Europe (sadly true), Celtic’s sophisticated passing game meant they would do far better. Early round duntings by PSG in 1995 and by HSV Hamburg the following year didn’t seem to register. Davie mentions that teams of the Struth era would win titles despite losing or drawing a large chunk of games. In more recent times this has been the case. When the Sheep won their first title under Ferguson they won only 19 of 36 games. Our grind of a 6 in a row season saw us win exactly half of our matches. A younger generation is used to the polarized world of the Old Firm way ahead of everyone else. Easy to forget that it was often so different in the past. You refer to the dip in Richard Gough’s form 1993-1995. In the second of those seasons he was not helped by being paired with Basile Boli, a similar type of defender who was also right footed and had very little pace, and also who was used to playing in a back 3. The move to 3 at the back in summer 1995 was a step forward. Looking forward to the next edition of The Forum - so many interesting topics covered.

Steve23

Martin my friend, where the phuck do you get the intro music for your pods? All a very similar genre and wonderfully weird :) My personal favorite Is the intro to the brilliant show, Murray and Me!. Taken from the intro to a quiz show if I remember correctly? That pod is a brilliant piece of work. Anyway, this is another great show, I Love his stuff, thank you lads.

Gary Brown

Always enjoy The Forum, variety is the spice of life and a brilliant format for a pod series. Thanks Martyn and thanks to special guest David Herd, always enjoy hearing him talk about The Rangers and his books.