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Discussion Thread about new episode: Sucidology (SUICIDE AWARENESS & PREVENTION) (Patreon)

Published:
2024-09-11 22:54:10
Edited:
2024-09-11 22:57:57
Imported:
2026-06

Content

This is not a call for questions -- the episode is up and published, ready to listen to!

September is Suicide Prevention Month and renowned Suicidologist Dr. DeQuincy Meiffren-Lézine helps us understand the risk factors for suicide, prevention strategies, socio-economic factors, gender statistics, trigger and content warnings, LGBTQ+ suicide prevention, what happens if you call a hotline, thoughts on hospitalization, how to support loved ones who have ideation, mourning those lost, learning to take care of yourself and your mental health and how living through the worst means by definition, shit gets better. 

This one is very personal to me, and a lot of you, and I hope we can spread the word this month to better understand the whys of suicide and how to help prevent it.

Hugs to you all,

Your Internet Dad Ward, Alie

** IF YOU ARE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING A CRISIS, PLEASE CONNECT WITH THE 988 SUICIDE AND CRISIS LIFELINE. CALL OR TEXT 988 OR VISIT 988LIFELINE.ORG FOR MORE INFORMATION. OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES, CONSULT WITH FINDAHELPLINE.COM **

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Suicidology (SUICIDE PREVENTION & AWARENESS) with Dr. DeQuincy Meiffren-Lézine - alie ward

Give yourself a hug and take a deep breath and let's chat with renowned Suicidologist Dr. DeQuincy Meiffren-Lézine. He is an absolute wonder and helps us understand the risk factors for suicide, prevention strategies, socio-economic factors, gender statistics, LGBTQ+ suicide prevention, what happens

Comments

Brittany Shafis

Alie, thank you so much for this episode. This episode answered a lot of really hard questions and gave me more resources than I ever knew were out there. I’m so glad I get to learn with you!

Ree McPee

Thank you for going to this difficult place for us. Hugs to everyone who has struggled or is currently struggling. My favorite line from this episode is something I need to keep in the front of my mind right now “your people are out there, and your presence is welcome” 💜

Alie Ward

Thank you so so much for saying that; I'm glad it may have helped spread the word on resources.

Alie Ward

Thank you so much for listening. And yes it's true. <3

Maria Armero

Thank you so much for this episode and taking risks on tackling sensitive subjects like this one. I am recommending Ologies all the time but I took the time to pass this episode on to all my friends. This subject should be talked about to be understood so we can prevent more lives from being lost and erase the stigma from those thinking about it and those who sadly departed by their own hand. Thank you so much again, Alie.

Eric R. Eaton

This is something I struggle with, having known people who have taken their lives, and knowing other people who have had loved ones take their own lives. Why the struggle? In cases where the individual has clinical depression, I have a hard time justifying the suffering of someone who has done all the "right" things, sought counseling, taken the meds, done everything, to no avail. Asking them to continue to endure torment because I love them seems incredibly selfish to me. They owe me nothing. On the other hand, I wouldn't wish the collateral damage on anyone. That's all I have. Much love to you all.

Sugarpuffdaddykins

I haven’t gotten to listen to this episode yet, but as someone who has been institutionalized twice just this year because of it, I’m really glad we’re at least talking about it. So thank you for asking the hard questions to people who have at least some answers 💕

Connor they them

Thank you. This is something I struggled with for a very long time so of course I have lots of feelings on it, but ultimately I just want to say thank you for covering it.

Waylo

Thank you for covering this topic! This touches everyone! We need to have more open discussion on mental health and more focus and funding in the health care arena! Thank you!!!!!!

SusanM

Big thanks Alie for your bravery to explore the tough Ologies. It would be easy not to.

Shannon Patterson

Thanks for this one. It was handled with great care and I appreciate your openness. That effexor sure is a beast to come off of. Glad you shared your experience

DeWaine Tollefsrud

I have not listened to this episode yet, but I know it will speak to me in positive ways. My brother took his life two weeks after my dad died peacefully of natural causes in the comfort of his home with me and a loved one at his side. It was a good passing for my dad. My brother’s reasons were unrelated to our father’s death. He was about to be arrested for an awful crime against a minor for which he attested to be true to me on the phone before he ended his life. This was a huge blow to me in the wake of my father’s death. I never got to properly grieve for my father’s passing. However, I have a fantastic therapist who has helped me navigate through this minefield of emotional feelings of sorrow, rage, anger, betrayal, and grief. I guess the reason I am writing this is to encourage all who have been affected by a suicide of someone close, to seek the assistance of a professional who really can help process the fallout of this emotional act. Thank you for this.

Erin Burbidge

Thank you, Alie, for covering such an important topic so thoughtfully (and with a welcome dash of humor). I wish I had had this episode to reference when a loved one called me up saying they wanted to die. I called one of the suicide hotlines in Canada, and I was really disappointed with what seemed like a rote response without a lot of empathy or guidance. But this episode covered all of the things I wanted to learn on that call about how to be supportive, what signs to look for in terms of whether the loved one might act on their intention...so glad it's out there now to help others. And thanks for trusting Team Ologite with your story. I've suffered in silence, too. Reaching out is so, so hard, and hearing how much it helped you is a good reminder that shame really does lead us to believing the worst about ourselves and the people we're afraid to reach out to...

Alli B

Alie, thanks for sharing your story. 💜 It’s important to normalize that things can get dark for anyone. Thank you also for mentioning my friend. She left ten years ago this year which is so weird to think it’s been that long. I’m sorry for the loss of your friend as well. 💔 This episode was so, so well done and so necessary.

Anna Thompson

Thank you so much for this episode and for being so open with your own struggles! Every little bit of positive/thoughtful discussion of the topic destigmatizes it just a little bit more. I was worried this would be heavy and sad but you balanced it so well !

Yuri

Alie, different topic but this guy's breakdown of the debate and what was happening as far as strategy and structure, is absolutely fascinating. I learned so much from a really short tiktok. Would you be interested and possibly doing an episode on this? He would be an amazing guest but anyone that could really speak to these sort of things https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8e1Kbxd/

Amber McIntyre

Allie, I didn’t know if I could listen to this episode (hi, postpartum depression…I remember you) but I’m *SO* glad I did. Beautifully done. And as an aside - I’m so thankful for your analogy on trigger stacking. I’m gonna put that one in my toolbox.

Tim Curry

Usually I avoid suicide discussions because *ahem* but because this is Ologies and I trust Dad Ward, I'm going to listen. It really means so much to me to have this place. Thanks Ologies.

Kleb

Thinking about it now, we didn't touch on the semicolon campaign, or did I miss it?

Kleb

Hey Dad Ward, thanks for bribing this topic. Can't say I didn't cry hearing it. As someone who has been flirting with the idea for years, it made me want to go to a meeting of survivors and listen from them why it is clear now that it is a bad idea... I kind of missed a more scientific/structured reasoning on it in the episode.

Kleb

You are not alone Tim S2

Tania Magic Fingers

Oh thank you Ali. I waited until the weekend to listen to this episode, as I knew it would be a tough one. As always you are an amazing interviewer and what a great person Dr. DeQuincy is. Full of compassion and understanding. I’m so sorry what you went through and thank you for being so open about it, even though it was clearly tough to talk about it. It’s so good to that you let others know that even successful people, who are amazing at their jobs and doing things they love can have crises. Sending virtual hugs out to Ali and any other Ologists how needs or would like one.

MRow

Maybe I Missed it Alie but I don’t recall much discussion of soldier suicide. A recent study published by America’s Warrior Partnership (the findings of which are rejected by the VA) documents suicide as the #1 cause of death among both active duty and retired warriors. As a country, we need to acknowledge this reality and do a better job of caring for those who put their lives in jeopardy to protect our freedoms

Devon Naples

Something I'd love to learn more about is the efficacy of asking someone you're worried about whether they are considering hurting themselves or ending their own lives. I have a vague memory of hearing that you have to ask when you are really worried about someone and it's going unspoken. But it is so so hard, and I don't think I would know what to do with either answer really. Any thoughts on this from anyone? I have someone very close to me whom I am deeply worried about and I need to figure out how to talk to them. It is helpful to know that having or not having means is a huge indicator, so that seems like a good place to try and take the conversation. Would take any and all thoughts and advice on this from folks who have been on either side of this. Thank you for a really informative and vulnerable episode, Alie. Could not be more timely for me.

Dantooine

This episode really got to me. A few years back I had an experience where, as Dr. DeQuincy Meiffren-Lézine described in the episode, I felt like things would never get better. Throughout that time, my sole source of happiness was this podcast. Everyday I would listen to an episode or two or three, and every Thursday I would refresh my Spotify every 20 minutes waiting for that week’s episode. Thank you Alie and Ologies team for being that source of happiness for me during a very hard time.

jellywhisperer

It’s an important question to ask! And often recommended to ask the question as plainly and direct as possible. Depending on your relationship with the person, you can change how you ask, but an example would be : I know you have been struggling. I care about you and your safety is important to me. Are you having suicidal thoughts (thoughts of suicide)? The best advice I can give is to call your local suicide provention center as someone who is concerned their friend/family member/partner etc may be suicidal and how to have that conversation. Or visite their website for ressources. They often have guides with steps on how to have the conversation and information so you feel you can better support the person and be prepared for their answer. And then like they said in the podcast, offer to contact those resources with the person and they will be able to do the appropriate risk evaluations and determine if other measures need to be taken. That’s what the experts are for!

Off to a Good Start

I was going to skip this episode because I didn't want to deal with the intensity I was expecting. But I was driving and it was the next one to play in the queue. So glad. I did cry twice just a bit from being moved, not from tragedy. I recommend giving yourself the gift of this episode. It is a very authentic, vulnerable conversation dealing with the reality of suicidal thoughts, myths, and things that can be helpful. If you are struggling and feel that you have to do it alone, know that allowing someone to listen to you and make a difference for you can be one of the greatest gifts you can give. I treasure the times I have been given that gift.

Ariana Rose

Oof, I've been holding off on this episode until I was ready. It was beautiful in so many ways, but unfortunately left me feeling unfilled as a loved one of someone who completed suicide. I love all the resources shared for those in crisis and those supporting those in crisis. But I feel it left out such a huge community of folks who are left to pick up the pieces of our lives post the loss of someone to suicide. Is that just a separate topic that didn't fit within the bounds of this discussion? Or is there risk in discussing the experiences connected with completion in the same space as a piece like this that is focusing on prevention? I don't want to muddy the waters of what is clearly a beautifully executed and thoughtful piece of literature, but am hoping to gain a better understanding of where my lived experience fits in with the ones covered here. All of the love to dad ward and her guest ❤️

Iris Clover

I'm a little late to the party but I'm listening to this episode right now and I really appreciate how they talk about all the feels that suicidal people and their loved ones go through. There's no victim blaming or anything

Cheryl

As someone who collects the deceased for a living, the situations surrounding a suicide are never the same. I appreciate the honesty of this episode, it's respectful, thoughtful and educational. Thank you for covering a subject that may feel 'tabboo' and so eloquently delivering it 🤝