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***Update! Part 2 is now up and in it we chat about archaeology ethics, animal mummies, eating mummified remains (!!!!), Egyptian tourism, the worst temple gift shop in history, the debate over human sacrifice, and what happens if you’re late to your own funeral.

Also: is all religion magic? And sexy hippos.

Chime in with your thoughts about the episodes! These two guests are just wonderful, and even better together. ***

Part 1: New episode is up and ready to listen to! Spooktober is in full swing and so we talked to two of the world’s leading experts on mummification in Ancient Egypt: Cairo-based Dr. Salima Ikram and returning guest Dr. Kara Cooney. They are good friends, and hilarious.

We chatted about everything from linen strips to animal mummies to archaeological ethics to coffin re-use and next week you’ll hear Part 2 with all of your questions.

Let me know what you think! I love chatting about the episodes with you.

Falling in love with autumn,

Your Father of Pod, Alie Dadward

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Momiology (MUMMIFICATION) with Dr. Kara Cooney & Dr. Salima Ikram - alie ward

Part 1: Linen wrapping. Expensive resins. Sarcophagi. Preserving for eternity - or until someone raids their tomb. It's a brand-new Spooktober episode with not one but two guests: Dr. Salima Ikram is a professor of Egyptology and expert on mummification of both people and animals, and is joined by

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Charlotte Parkinson

Dr Salima is my absolute favourite! I thought it would just be with Dr Kara so a wonderful surprise

Alli B

Something about that bugs me. 🐞

Brittany Shafis

I carapace about that fact *finger guns* metal af

Zo3_3

Gassssss thanks Ali :)

Nicole Robb

These two experts NEED their own podcast!! I’d love to have a weekly Egyptology podcast in my playlist!!

Seán Thomas Kane

Thank you for this episode! It makes me curious to visit the Egyptian rooms at my local art museum again soon. There is a mummy in there with her coffins in one of the rooms. I like how both guests talk to the mummies when they're studying them or their coffins.

Felipe Jimenez

I never thought about the smell! I’m so intrigued now for next weeks comments… Also, deciding career path at 8 years old? Amazing!

Susan G

I LOVED this episode, it was fascinating. I also loved the banter and camaraderie between the two guests. Can't wait for next week.

Kyla C (KAI-luh, rhymes with Myra or Lyla)

I can't tell you how excited I was to hear this morning that they will answer the question I asked. Like, fist pumping, yelling "YES!!!" in the car on the way to work excited. I await next week's episode with bated breath :) (Maybe also because I'm feeling a little trepidation about imagining said smell...)

Nick A

Yeah I feel so called out recording things horizontally. And reminding people that they can turn their phone sideways watching landscape videos (rather than watching on only like 40% of the phone screen)

Amy Johnson

It’s a different kind of mummy, but my friend and former colleague has done a lot of work with mummies recovered from iron coffins in the United States.

Saira (‘Sarah’) Manns

Alie I just needed to let you know how much I loved your tangent about amulets and Amulet as a name! When I heard you go on to eventually mention black axolotls and their melanin I have to admit the thought crossed my mind that Melanin could be/probably already is a name, too 😅

Tiana Chrystal

Amazing, thank you Father Alie! I enjoy all of Dr. Kara Cooney’s books and lectures. Egyptology is incredibly fascinating. My home decor is dedicated entirely to Ancient Egypt, along with my body art! I am totally down with being mummified, when the time comes! 😄

Miren Carredano

I literally squealed out loud when you said Salima Ikram, podDad. I LOVE her! Great episode!

Sarah Jo

Good news: I had less than a 24 hour turnaround on being able to pull out “the pyramids smell like piss”

Athina Anastasiou

First time question-asker: Did archeologists really drink mummy juice? Also, thank you for existing! Not the mummy juice though - that stuff haunted me in my dreams once.

Alie Ward

These episodes are published! But we of course address this. Ooooof!

Alie Ward

Perfect. What was the occasion?

Alie Ward

I hope you enjoy TWO episodes with her then. This Part 2 has some spirited debates that just tickled me.

Alie Ward

She has a new book out about coffin re-use! And Salima has one about leather goods! Follow the link above to our webpage where they're both linked.

Alie Ward

Oh thank you so so much. Sometime sI wonder: "Do people need to hear my thoughts on this?" and I appreciate the confirmation that yes: we needed to know if people name their kids amulet. I personally kinda like it?

Alie Ward

Let me know what you thought about part 2!

Alie Ward

The banter is even better in Part 2. Trust me. Amazing.

Alie Ward

We get into it. Like, INTO IT, in Part 2, Felipe.

Alie Ward

What museums are nearby? We discuss ethics of display in this one and it's such a murky issue with so many opinions...

Alie Ward

Just wait until you hear this week's. They are in TOP form.

Alie Ward

Baaahahaha! Part 2 discusses the few animals they did NOT mummify.

Alie Ward

They are hilarious in Part 2. Such a great debate to be had. Enjoy!

Charlotte Parkinson

I was about to say "then hurry up and release it!" and you have ❤️ thank you for all your hard work Alie

gg

Munch "The Scream" source was an unwrapped mummy in a Paris exhibition.

Hannah Gorrie

Are you KIDDING me?! *The* Kara Cooney heard my name and answered my question AND Ali made a pun about my name??? I'm thrilled XD

Nicole Robb

Just finished! SO GOOD!!

Seán Thomas Kane

The big one here in Kansas City is the Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art. The mummy here was acquired by the museum in 2007. They use the name of the person who was mummified and buried in the coffin, Meret-it-es, who lived during the early Ptolemaic period. She is in the gallery behind a central glass display that has her outer coffin in what looks like a burial niche. It seems like a good way to teach visitors about Egyptian tombs and such.

Sarah Jo

My poor partner was just trying to show me the video going around of the dog on top of the pyramid

Chrysalis Ashton

This was SUCH a good 2 parter and I am SO EXCITED that you asked my question AND did an aside about it! 😍😍

Alie Ward

Ooooh I have to look into this!

Alie Ward

The show wouldn’t be half as cool without Patron questions, fr

Alyssa Berg

LOL when you were describing the girl being late to her own funeral I was already thinking “okay honestly i really relate to her because that would 100% be me………” and then you referred people to the ADHD episode to learn more and I have never felt so simultaneously SEEN AND ALSO CALLED OUT all at once 😂 Really though, I was an Egypt kid in the way that some kids are Horse Girls and this two parter brought me back to my inner child. Thank you for that! ❤️

The Other Maya

Thank you so much for including the moment between minutes 8 and 10. Thank you for standing by the Witchology episode in the aside. Thank you for doing this podcast your way. Thank you for the discussion threads. Thank you for bringing Scicom in a casual format that moves discussion forward and brings good feels. You da best. Bless. 🖤🙏🙌

Lee Wang

If you're like me and thought Alie said (re: the genetic makeup of modern Egyptians) that modern Egyptians have 68% North African (ancient Egyptian?) ancestry and 70% Arab ancestry, the latter number is actually 17%.

Miren Carredano

I absolutely LOVED IT!! I want a whole episode for the religion/magic debate! haha Thank you so much!

Keerat Singh

I loved how you handled the moments where the two experts had different things to say on the topic. Thoughtful handling of moments like that is why i recommend this podcast to all my friends

Olga Kolesnikova

Omg! I can't believe eating mummies was a thing. I literally asked about it as a joke because of futurama! I should have known they were referencing a thing lol

Lindsay Beardall

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE more mummy episodes! It makes sense to start here as they are the most familiar to people, but a huge misconception is that Egyptian culture is the only one with mummies, which is definitely not true. They aren't even the oldest culture to intentionally mummify, that was the Chinchorro people, native to northern Chile (starting around 5450 BCE). Specifically, other kinds are bog mummies (the most perfectly preserved bodies - look up the Tollund Man), Peruvian bundle mummies, Siberian ice mummies, Tarim Basin mummies, among many others! I am pretty sure they exist on every continent besides Antarctica (that we know of at least lol). It would be very interesting to hear from some additional experts about some of these other cultures and types. Maybe a future Spooktober :)

Lindsay Beardall

Oh also I had to laugh when Zahi Hawass was mentioned / quoted. My anthro professor absolutely despised him and I would have loved to hear how your guests feel about him, though that would probably not be in the spirit of Ologies 😂 He's a pretty controversial guy

Yuri

Alie I have an idea for another podcast. That feels silly to say. BUT I was trying to fall asleep, thinking about Fancy Nancy game, and that I wanted to listen to something sciencey but it couldn’t be TOO interesting, and I thought what about an ologies remix with just Alie’s voice which can be really soothing (I mean, it’s always good, but when you’re talking softly, it’s very soothing). Like you reading the script of the ologies episodes but in a bedtime story kind of way? It would be the best thing to fall asleep to ever, and it would be a podcast that would be low spoons for you and doesn’t create a lot more work, but could still be another revenue stream if it was done through a different Patreon, or this Patreon and a higher tier. Anyway, I don’t know if this is at all appealing to you, but I thought I would mention it because I think it would be absolutely amazing!

Jeanette-o-saur

I saw crocodile mummies and a few other critters when I visited Egypt. So cool! Also so shrivelly and strange! I don't recall the tombs in the valley of the Kings smelling like piss so they must have cleaned things up 😅 I second the request to do more types of mummies from other places

EmmaB

This episode was AMAZING! I loved the discussions about Christianity and religion. More episodes on the history of religion please!!