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Climate Fervorology: how to help the planet without crying as much. Featuring: a PhD in Humanitarian Law and a professor in sustainability from Columbia who is also an indie pop star from the band AJR.

We'll skip to the good part: this episode is all about how to up the impact with climate advocacy and the gymnastics it takes to really get shit done. We have no choice but to try.

Have you listened yet? What did you think?

Ecologically yours,

Alie Von Dadward

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Climate Fervorology (ECO-ADVOCACY WITHOUT IT BEING A BUMMER) with AJR's Dr. Adam Met - alie ward

Cleaner energy! Reasoning with climate deniers! Using fandom to pass policy! And not burning out. Adam Met, of the colossal indie pop band AJR is also a career climate activist, an International Human Rights Law PhD, adjunct professor at Columbia University, and the author of the upcoming

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Devon

First off he is really pretty. Second I truly appreciate his and your approach of positivity during such a hard topic. Gave me hope.

Scott Hanley

New crush for all eyes here. As Trump is enemy number 1 against climate control, how can we summon a bolt of lightning to just the right place to have maximum effect in climate relief?

Keely Rivas

It was refreshing that someone with such a large platform is making positive change. I loved his approach of finding a way to get people on your side using language they’re more familiar with. It gave me hope in these sucky times!

Krysta

I have listened to AJR for 8-9 years now, but haven’t been to one of their concerts since 2019. I loved getting to hear about the other side of Adam’s life, and very proud that they are now using their concert spaces (and he is using his tour schedule) to make a difference.

Rob Morgan

It was enlightening hearing how everyday individuals can make positive environmental change that is more impactful than the small changes we make in our personal lifestyle.

Mini Minnie

Excellent episode. Very positive.

Ted Vician

Short version for the 80s kids, Alie just interviewed Buckaroo Banzai - musician, scientist, and political activist.

redheadedscientist

this was exactly what i needed, thank you dadward & adam!

Susanne Collins

Ok ok now a fervorology episode for every other bummer topic please!!!

Susan G

This was really great. I was ready to feel bad about not being able to do as much as I should be as an individual, but this gave me a whole new perspective! I was already really interested about how he brings activism to concerts! I don't think I've ever seen anything like that at one I've been to, I'd love to see it spread.

Bet Smith

This was great. He talked about so many things that were super relevant to my own work as a singer-songwriter and climate activist. I’ve also been dreaming of going back to school to study the topics discussed so thoroughly in this episode. It was enlightening and inspiring. 🤩

Organic Free-Range Lily

Interesting episode, and a great guest. :) I do have a few callouts, though, especially since Adam said he likes to use tricks during his outreach. ;) 1. He said that AI is great for finding solutions and new strategies to fight global warming, to the extent where the benefits outweigh the AI's energy consumption. But what are those groundbreaking findings that were made with AI?.. Name three. :) Adam didn't mention even a single one, which seemed really odd to me. (It wasn't in the show notes, either.) Either those AI-only (i.e., we mere humans wouldn't have found them on our own) breakthroughs exist and Adam forgot to mention them (which doesn't seen likely...), or they don't exist at all, or they exist but they're not that great on their own. Which is it? 2. The question "Electric cars or gas cars?: is a false dichotomy. Public transit is *much* more efficient than either of those - by far. Any transportation-related discussion that doesn't even mention public transit is a *huge* red flag. Will that require big changes? Yes. Are there folks in the car-only suburbs? Also yes - but there are ways. It was *incredibly* weird to me that transit wasn't mentioned at all. 3. What's the source for the claim that 250 million Americans go to concerts each year? It's not in show notes. When I googled, the closest figure I found was 140 million. 250 million means that 5 out of 7 Americans (including babies, prisoners, and retirement home folks) attend a concert each year. That stat doesn't quite pass my sniff test. :P Is it possible that this is the sum total of sold tickets instead?.. Because it really sounds like some overlap got overlooked. 4. To end the comment on the positive note, :) Adam's point about adapting your language to your audience reminded me of the funny-but-sad skit from "I think you should leave" - google "You expect me to believe that?!?" It's about a dumb jock influencer who coaches a mild-mannered climate scientist on the best way to share his message. 😅 Sorry this comment is so long - this episode was even more thought-provoking than usual! :)

Anna

This guy has the most upsetting face

GhoulNextDoor

What a wonderful episode! It’s so encouraging hearing all that Dr. Adam Met and AJR has been able to do and learn about mobilizing people! I’ve been advocating for climate action since I was a kid and it’s so so easy especially now to get burnt out and angry but content like this is such a good motivator. I can’t wait to read tips and tricks in his new book!

Joe Lewis

Thanks to you for the episode and to Adam for his work. Thanks for passing on my question about fossil fuel subsidies. In my conversations with climate change deniers, some of my few successes scoring lightbulb moments have come from bringing up fossil fuel subsidies. While Adam is correct to say that our Foreign Policy is too tangled to end the subsidies, I am surprised how seldom people suggest that gas taxes should cover those expenses. Last study I saw suggested $2 per gallon wouldn’t be enough. Which means that a Silverado costs taxpayers more over its life than a Rivian. Other point that I sometimes “win” is that long-chain hydrocarbons form the basis for most modern medicines and plastics. You could argue that petroleum is essential to modern civilization, and it is a terrible waste to just burn it when other technologies exist for transportation. Certainly a waste for taxpayer money to help burn such a valuable, limited resource.

Laura Tatum

Listened to this while exploring the Houston Zoo, such a great, yet frustrating time... This administration is truly unqualified. Thank you for everything you do and giving me some sanity during insane times.

izzy bee

i wish i would’ve thought to ask this- so if anyone reads and has any advice it would be appreciated! Any tips on how stay up to date on news and/or protests, petitions, local ways to get involved (i don’t want to be ignorant and i want to stay involved!) for someone who doesn’t use social media? yes- i do realize and understand that this is what the news is for. but tips on staying informed and not spiraling into a rabbit hole//where to find trusted information sources or local groups looking to make a difference?

TB33

Would've loved a part 2 talk with climate organizers/orgs who are on the ground and have been around for a long time exercising our civil liberties to move the needle (beyond groups who primarily do lobbying-type work), but maybe I'm biased because I work for one of those orgs :)

Caelan Rathke

I really appreciated the fresh perspective that Dr Met provides. It makes a molehill out of the insurmountable mountain that is climate change. Thanks Alie and Adam for giving me a wee morsel of hope :)

Cypress Wylde

On #3, I also want to know how the numbers are tallied considering more dedicated fans will attend multiple concerts in a year (speaking as someone who, when my favorite band tours, I go to all shows that are in my state and that is on the low end compared to many others in the community that actively follow them around the country).

Cypress Wylde

These are great points. Especially with the current hot topic of AI going around, I would have liked to actually know what the breakthroughs have been. // As far as public transit - my kingdom for a reliable rail system. I'm in Austin and we have a "Metrorail" that's basically a joke. I would exclusively use public transit if it actually brought me where I needed to go in a timely manner.

Cypress Wylde

My primary takeaway from this episode looks to have been different from others, but I think that's because I'm already steeped in local environmental activism (primarily revolving around aquifers and creek conservancies) -- and my takeaway was "Collective Effervescence." What a beautiful way to describe the interconnectedness we feel in certain spaces. It really is addicting and life changing, especially in a society where we have been described as being in the midst of a loneliness epidemic. I always feel more powerful and positive when around large groups working toward a common goal or sharing a common interest, whether that be volunteering at a nonprofit or singing at a concert, or yes even doing something spiritual like going to church or dancing in a moonlit circle deep in the woods. I am enjoying having a term for it that I can explore.

Clemens V

Sorry to not probide ‘the’ single place, but I feel like most times it doesn’t really matter where you start, but getting on a newsletter/digital or physical group/whatsoever - and then following up on anything that is mentioned or featured, will get you into being informed and likely staying in the channels that inform. If you feel overwhelmed by options and sources, I’d also tend to stick with what is local and practical. Physical pinboards at e.g. the local community garden or district help desk are a great source here in Berlin Germany. Also making it into a habit to ask your very question to everyone around like ‘stumbled about anything inspiring recently?’ . For more general and international pieces, I currently dip into the bluesky and substack communities by starting with public figures that are related and matter to me (hi there A W and your guests!) and then go through people they follow and suggest. I find substack to be quite interesting and in momentum! For the part about trusted sources: searching for a meta(!) paper and posting it into chatgpt with ‘explain me like I’m five’ helps me a lot in fact checking 😅 Maybe this speaks to you 🤷 all the best for your quest.