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Discussion thread: Urcyonology (GREY FOXES) is published! (Patreon)

Published:
2025-05-28 20:43:08
Imported:
2026-06

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This episode is published and available to hear wherever you get podcasts. This is a thread to chat about it!

Absolutely LOVE this episode. I had wanted to interview Bill "The Fox Guy" Leikam for years and years and finally got a chance to have a great conversation all about little overlooked grey foxes -- ones that I previously knew nothing about.

He puts out a free monthly wildlife newsletter, which is lovely. You can subscribe here: https://urbanwildliferesearchproject.org/research/

Have you listened yet? Did you LOVE it? Also of course we still need a Vulpinology episode so feel free to suggest your favorite Vulpinologists!

Staring at pictures of pups,

Ol' Ward

Ps: and if you haven't heard the 2-part Salugenology episode with Julia Hotz from a few weeks ago, get that one in your ears to understand just how many boxes Bill's work ticks off.

Files

Urocynology (LITTLE GREY FOXES) with Bill Leikam - alie ward

Bushy tails! Stinky butts! Faces so cute you weep! Let's talk foxes - specifically the little grey ones you never knew you loved. Fox behavioral expert, researcher, conservationist, author of "The Road to Fox Hollow" and Urocynologist Bill Leikam chats about fuzzy foxes, baby names, parental strateg

Comments

Arami Farias

I haven't listened to this episode yet but just learning now about the existence of gray foxes is keeping from from starting to panick about an ecology exam

Daniella Napolitano

The neighborhood around my university is locally famous for their grey foxes! They sometimes hang out around school and one summer during Covid lockdown, one fell through the ceiling of an underground part of the library (apparently they like to hang out on the cool water pipes during the summer). He was ok though and safely relocated! They do look like cats if you see one cross the street at night. I love seeing them when I walk around campus. Apparently they like to hang around where people live because there’s less of a chance they’ll run into coyotes. At least that’s true here in AZ.

Alie Ward

You'll have to grab a post-it pad and take a pre-dawn walk and say hello to them for me! I've only seen one once -- and it was a tiny island fox when I was doing a talk on Catalina last summer. The most presh bb ever.

Alie Ward

The baby foxes are sending you only the best vibes.

Spencer Parks

Always great! The timing of this was funny because just yesterday I recorded the "fox" episode on my podcast "The Dictionary" and then this morning I see THIS Fox Episode!

JillyDoogs

Such a wonderful episode! We saw a few grey foxes on our hiking trips last year. Also… who can I ask for permission to get the Ologies logo tattooed on my body? Thanks!!

Alie Ward

In the episode we talk a lot about how Urocyon is **spoiler** a much older canid than Vulpes!

JillyDoogs

Ahhhhhh! Thank you so much Alie!!!! YAS!! (I am getting my wedding bouquet tattooed on my forearm this weekend so.. gonna add on Ologies somewhere else). YAS!!

Alie Ward

you trying to make me cry? I'm honored

JillyDoogs

Happy tears are lovely tears! Happy freaking birthday to me (today) thanks so much for saying yes!! I need to buy an Ologies mug as well!

Colby Evans

Two wombs to just turn on and off?

Andy Pepper

So super duper interesting to learn Urocyon is the basal canid. I love taxonomy, and I had no idea!

Carri Miller

Loved this episode! I can’t wait to read his book! Thank you for sharing!

Alie Ward

Like, what do you mean gray foxes predate the big red ones?!?! Right?

Alie Ward

I dated a guy whose parents had two dishwashers but that doesn't even compare

Colby Evans

Yeah, just a smidge different. Wouldn’t have been so surprised if we were talking a jelly or squid or something, but a fox!?!

Mark Condon

💚 LOVED this episode! Thank you! I want to be as engaged and passionate as Mr. Leikam when I’m 85! Throughout the episode, my mind kept going to George Saunders’ “Fox 8”. 😢. https://tinyurl.com/Fox8Saunders

Meg Curran

Such a fabulous episode! In every respect. And amazing!!

Pearl Ramone

I was so happy to hear that someone is studying the grey fox because the internet is full of red fox information, but not a lot of these guys. There are always grey foxes in our neighborhood at night. They walk around fearless as we check the mail at night and visit our backyard to climb our live oak to eat bird seed and drink out of the water pan. I love seeing them and I’ve been so curious about them. I’ve learned a lot, and now I want to study these guys here in the urban areas of San Antonio!

Emily Krieger

I didn't even know this was a thing, and that's why I listen💚

Jernelle

Um hi, this episode hit different!!! I think it’s because I have men in my family, particularly my dad, who would tell me animal observation stories while camping, hiking, walking around the yard, flipping over rocks, looking up in trees etc. This reminded me of sitting on the floor listening to my grandpa & dad tell stories about nature. He made me cry when he said that the foxes are like his “professors”! What a sweet gem of a man. 🥹

Ara Victor

after a year and a half of listening nearly every day ive finally caught up on every episode in the backlog! and what a great episode to top it off. I used to see grey foxes often in my local cemetery, and they really were so curious and interesting. more interesting now than I ever thought I guess!!

Melissa

It took me a second to realize that this episode was about actual foxes that are actually gray, and NOT about "attractive older men with gray hair." I'll see myself out.

Cynthia Cinnabar

I loved learning that they're un-domesticable (if that's a word) because in theory a cute little critter with dog hardware and cat software seems very cool but I'd rather know that they're living free. Is there an ology for the study of how animals (and plants?) are domesticated, or not?

Bird Nerd

What a wonderful man! I just love him. Great episode!

Between Dumplings

I URGE all my pod sibs to go to Bill's site and watch the video (he's in it and also going to meet the filmmakers). He is so open-hearted, he has a way of being connected to the natural world and very open minded and thoughtful. Really lovely human there and so grateful these creatures have such a champion! Thank you so much for this one!

Raja

I've only listed to half so far, but am lovin' it!

LesLee

I just listened, what a great episode! Thank you, Alie, for your interesting, entertaining and educational podcast!! You are helping me to walk more, because if I walk I also give myself a treat of listening to one of your episodes. :D

Bonnie Flint

I was driving from one field site to the next listing to this episode and was so excited to hear you mention the NY declaration! Also really glad to hear Bill talk about the emotional lives of the foxes. I'm in the new field of wild animal welfare science and love it when the emotional experience of wild animals is spoken about by scientists. Btw, Alie, the Ecological Society of America conference is in August in Baltimore, 1000s of ecologists for you to talk to 👀👀

Emily Krieger

loved hearing the grey foxes have shorter legs because they're hanging out in bushes unlike their long legged different genus having fox fellows. I also like the classic shitting on your food to keep other creatures away, effective.

Susan G

This was one of the most delightful episodes!