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Call for questions: CREEPINESS (Patreon)

Published:
2025-08-03 15:05:01
Imported:
2026-06

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Coming up: an interview with the professor of psychology who published the first empirical study of "creepiness" -- the uncertainty of a possible threat. Since then, he's spent the last decade continuing his research. Who and what is considered creepy. The physical characteristics and behaviors of creeps. The mental and emotional reactions to creepiness.

What questions do you have on creepiness?

Deadline: Wednesday, August 6 at noon PST

Comments

Sohja Howen

FTQA why do some creepy things disgust us?

Alyx Rose

Does he hate the song creep?!

con

Where does that skin crawling sensation come from? Why do I get goosebumps from just a sound or something I THINK I saw?

JC

Is there any way that the expert can talk about how true crime can be so unsettling and yet bring in so many people in terms of videos, podcasts, etc?

Lizzie R

Does our evolutionary ancestors' need to survive a much more dangerous environment lead to the "hyperawareness" that causes anxiety/puts teeth on edge in some circumstances?

Ree McPee

Is the uncanny valley feeling innate and does it possibly come from our ancestors interacting with other human species?

Bahdi_Phat

Are there racial, class, geographical differences or tendencies in what people think is creepy?

Adam Foote

How much are we taught to think things are creepy? Are there things that we instinctually think are creepy?

Cyntia B

Yes! And what is universally creepy?!

Rachael Lemont

Why do some people (like me) love all that is creepy? Does it stem from some psychological need to ignite our fight/flight reflex? Does it mean we have issues lol

Samantha Axtman

Why do some people cause a physical/intuitional uncomfortableness upon first meeting despite not having said or done anything abnormal during that meeting? Are “gut” instincts usually correct when it comes to the subconscious “creep” factor?

JillyDoogs

That feeling… creepy… had an issue the other day at the library with my kiddo. A grown man tried to sit with him and play blocks, asking him all sorts of questions. That feeling on the back of my neck… the pit of my stomach… creepy, off… it was immediate. It must be a primal reaction? This guy was easily 6 feet and 200lbs and I bodily put myself between this stranger and my kiddo. I had no fear at all, it was an immediate reaction to his… creepiness.

Cyntia B

How should we act in the face of creepiness?

Josephine Murdoch

Is the feeling of being creeped out part of the fear emotion (in the same way that anxiety is actually fear) or is it something else?

Lauren N.

Do scientists know what we’re reacting to when we get creeped out by someone? Is it smell, body language, something else?

Channon Koty

What chemicals are created when we get the creepy feeling? Are those chemicals the reason we seek out creepy things like haunted houses?

Charlotte Parkinson

Is there any history to the starting points of stereotyping creepy people?

Eating dog hair for a living

Why are there people that think it's ok to prey on ppl they see as weaker than themselves? Or on children?

Reuben Eadon

FTQA - When did we start pursuing things that creep us out and make us uncomfortable? Have we always considered creepy things strangely alluring?

Greg Walloch

Why do we react to creepiness and feel it in such a primal gut way? And why do others seemly not sense it?

SoManyQuestions

Is there a helpful way to parse when feeling creeped out might be coming from biases against someone different from us, vs when we’re intuitively identifying something unsafe? As a 90s kid taught stranger danger and to trust any gut feeling someone could be bad, the instinct to label a situation or person creepy feels somewhat unreliable but maybe that’s how it always is?

Sophia Ackerson

Are there any specific facial or bodily features that we consider more “creepy”?

Adam Foote

I have a diagnosed anxiety disorder, so I think that means I view situations and things as threatening when most would not see them that way. Does that also mean I am more prone to this sort of creepy unease? What about depression and obsessive compulsive disorder sufferers? And, of course, other mental health issues like bipolar and explosive personalities?

Sophia Ackerson

Are things universally creepy (nature) or does creepiness perception vary across cultures (nurture)?

Regina Muth

What is it we're "seeing" when we consider someone creepy? Are all people seeing the same thing or do we consider various traits creepy based on culture and lived experience? Is what we're picking up on different between creepy men vs creepy women or are they creepy in the same way? Why are some people better creep detectors than others? Is it a matter of willingness to ignore it or genuinely can't see it? Are creepy people vibes related to creepy critter vibes? Why are spiders creepy but crabs aren't?

Emily MacLeod

I came in this thread to ask about uncanny valley!

Joy Kotheimer

Has there been research on the interaction of senses that intensifies “creepiness?” So that maybe-visually it might be creepy but then add sound effects/music to ge the absolute F— THAT effect!

Joy Kotheimer

Is there less kinesthetic creepy feeling associated bc if it’s creepy visually you just stay away? Or rare to be not creepy visual but creepy touch? (Oh I totally just went to those creepy handshakes!! EWW!)

Annabelle

As a woman I can’t wait to hear about this study. As adult women and even as young girls, we often rely on vibes when determining if a man is a threat. So many times I’ve gotten an unspecific, inexplicable creepy vibe from a man, and I find out that other women who know him feel the same way about him. Even if he hasn’t done anything bad yet. Do they emit some hormone or chemical? What is the science behind bad vibes?

Wandering Wyatt

Is there a different physiological reaction to things we find mentally creepy (horror movies) vs physically creepy (physical phobias like snakes etc) (no I haven’t listening to the rattlesnake episode yet and there is a reason for that lol)

Melanie Ang

This! I’m wondering what specifically is it about those horror/thriller movie music that creeps people out and why is that so effective!

Annabelle

Ive heard true crime stories of when someone unknowingly meets a murderer and shakes the murderer’s hand, their hair stands up. How do our bodies know when we should be creeped out?

Sara Crocker

What is the correlation between feeling creepy and feeling fear?

Cooper Michael

How much of our perception of creepiness is tied into instinct and how much is due to socialization(both negative and positive) and stereotypes?

Melanie Ang

Will someone being good looking objectively reduce their creepiness scale even if they’re a creep? Case in point, ted bundy who is a creep and worse but managed to charm so many of his victims

Kai Tone Rossow

Me too. I need to know about uncanny valley. I seem to get it a lot from modern video games, for example, while my friends don't????

Michael Paul

I'm curious about this as well. In my experience, if I have a negative reaction to a man it is confirmed separately by other women. Confirmation bias or science?

protect_trans_lives

How does it work when you are alone and suddenly creep yourself out by worrying someone is with you and suddenly you are very scared of everything? Or like when you hear a probably normal noise in your house and suddenly your brain enters “everything is scary” mode?

RG

Is there a spectrum of creepy? How does context fit into feelings of creepiness (e.g. finding out more information about someone/something that is creepy that enhances or detracts from the initial reaction or feelings)? Also, why does creepiness persist? For example, I was very unsettled by an actor’s portrayal in a movie once. To this day have a hard time watching that actor in any movie they’re in. Another one: the uncanny valley, a universal creep out for evolutionary survival, or do some people not experience this phenomenon?

Adam Weaver

Can we talk about the Uncanny Valley effect? Is there any evidence that it's rooted in humans evolving to be wary of other Homo species?

protect_trans_lives

Some studies have found that people are more likely to rate autistic people as creepy because of some mannerisms, can you speak on that?

Annabelle

I’m curious about how blind/deaf people interpret creepiness. As a woman, I look at a man’s body language and into his eyes to determine if he’s creepy. I wonder if a blind person would pick up on non-visual cues that I wouldn’t get

Nathan Faulkner

Why do people have a physical reaction to creepiness? Like when you see a shape in the dark and your skin crawls or you make a weird face inadvertently.

Shelby Bossler

Is there an aspect to sensing creepiness that we can’t control? I’ve met numerous people in my life where normally I wouldn’t think twice about being around them, but something suddenly hits me and I realize there’s something not right and I need to immediately leave the situation. Maybe it’s just my subconscious randomly deciding my social battery is drained and it’s time to leave? Maybe it’s something more?!?

Susan Lin

Where does the term heebie geebies come from??

ValBeListening

How many different emotions are associated with creepiness?

Twenty Three Skidoo

Perfect timing! We were just discussing the song “Sweet Caroline” this morning during breakfast.

Pretty Bird

As a forensic psychologist (who works with people society might deem “creepy”), I often wonder how we understand creepy culturally and if different cultures view different aspects / appearances as creepy. Also, in graduate school, we were taught that you’ll know psychopathy because the hair on the back of your neck will stand up (and we should still use psychometric tests of course), but should I be trusting this or is it culturally dictated?

ValBeListening

How much is sustained eye contact associated with creepiness?

Kathleen Regovich

Why do some people think bugs are creepy and other people think they’re cute? Is there anything that basically all humans agree is creepy?

Ara Victor

Im sure everyone will ask about the uncanny valley, but what in our evolutionary history gave us the instinct to fear things that fall within it? Is it true that is stems from people with rabies or other diseases?

Sarah king

Is there an evolutionary development to it? When we were cavewomen did we get “creeped out” by a solo cave man in the woods?

Key Kiani

How do you combat creepiness? OR... What is the most appropriate way of letting someone know they are being creepy?

Sarah king

Do we find a difference in the sense between women and men? Have we as women developed a better sense due to eons of violence against us?

Susan Conbere

When something is creepy, why does it make our skin crawl? What is the biology behind that?

Felipe Jimenez

To your knowledge, are there any dangers or social consequences in labeling someone as “creepy”? Could this be used unfairly or reinforce biases or discrimination? It’s just a gut feeling but I imagine that school sh**ters might have been labeled creepy and there on bullied..

ValBeListening

Thinking of the Epstein files, how does someone's position of power (whether in society or as an adult) embolden them to act more creepy?

Anna Guzman

How much of what we think is creepy taught/cultural? And how much of it is instinctual?

Vera Axelrod

What responsibility do public servants like police officers have to understand and alter their own perception of “creepiness”? I imagine it could help them in their jobs, but could also lead to bias and harm.

Kim Greiner

Can you explain the “Uncanny Valley” Phenomenon? Why are we so creeped out by human looking but non human faces?

ValBeListening

Is one gender considered more creepy than another? Thinking of how some of these questions focus on men being more creepy and maybe that's associated with the world leaning more patriarchal?

Sean

Why is it that when we think something is creepy or is a threat our hair stands on end but when there is an acknowledged threat (like you know you're going to get in a fight or are in one) our hair doesn't stand on end? Thank you much!

CrickArt

Can one be "coached/coaxed" (by others/an environment) or "train" themselves out of feeling creeped out the way some people can be coached/coaxed/trained to mitigate fears?

Emily Staw-fur

I'm not sure if this is related, but how is it that we can tell when someone is watching us? Is there actually science that supports this or is it flim flam?

Twenty Three Skidoo

I’d love to hear about how gaslighting plays into this, especially how it turns the tables and makes the gaslighted feel like the creep for feeling creeped out in the first place.

Elise Kaplan

hopping on this - how can we distinguish between a sense of creepiness or unease in response to something or someone as opposed to a sense of unease from something like anxiety that doesn’t always have a true source?

Matt Ceccato

Why is it that we can’t seem to shake some things we found creepy as children and other things that we can? I saw something on Siskel & Ebert when I was nine that is still creepy 43 years later

Anastasia Press

How much of what we find "creepy" is innate versus learned?

Anastasia Press

Are there personality traits that correlate to someone being more prone to feeling creeped out?

Jenna Congdon

I was coming here to ask something similar. How much of what we define as "creepy" is cultural vs universal? Do different cultures get creeped out (or not) over different things?

Anastasia Press

What differentiates a "creepy feeling" from fear or disgust?

Anastasia Press

Yes! You articulated my thoughts better than I could lol

Feylin

What role does the creep factor play when we meet someone and they just seem off? Is it in our heads or primal warning systems?

ariel.vanzandt

Are there different categories of creepy things? Ex: people, paranormal, critters, sounds

Nicky G

What is it about the "uncanny valley" that is so creepy?

ariel.vanzandt

If a person is perceived as "creepy" by others, how often do they realize they are being creepy? How often is creepy behavior intentional?

Between Dumplings

There's a distinct type of creepiness that comes at the intersection of sexism and racism. It's more significant than a creepy feeling in a movie or in discovering a dead animal. Is dread different from creepiness?

Nancy Kay Clark

As a Cult survivor, I wonder why do some people clearly see a person as creepy, even dangerous, yet others would follow them blindly? This occurs in all areas of influence: religion, politics, business, families, and more.

Between Dumplings

Are we talking about a survival instinct? Are there reactions that kept us safe from eating the wrong plants or not avoiding dangerous creatures?

Between Dumplings

How is creepiness different from horror, real or imagined?

Isabelle Leclerc

Has there been any research on why we sometimes get a bad gut feelings (I.e. this person is creepy AF) before we consciously perceive any behaviors that are creepy? Is the subconscious perceiving subtle cues we're missing? Is it instinct?

Mollogies

Omg how can we just FEEL the creepiness from someone? Do we have a sixth sense about possible threats to stay safe? Once I got a creepy feeling from hearing someone laugh (not a creepy laugh, just a normal laugh), before I had properly met that person, and weeks later they turned out to be one of the worst people I have ever met. Pure evil.

Ellen

Is creepiness in the eye of the beholder? My experiences with certain people in my past give me an “ick” when I encounter those behaviors elsewhere (possessive, controlling) which I have attributed to being “creeped out” reactively. But there are definitely other people who creep me out proactively just based on their presence apropos of nothing. Is there a difference between reactive/proactive Ick and/or creepiness?

Meagan Walker

Can someone/something just be straight-up creepy, or are there always other elements like gross, weird, scary, etc.?

Meagan Walker

Are there different physical responses to different kinds of creepy? Like being in the dark woods alone vs. noticing that someone is watching you at a gym.

Meagan Walker

Are creepy triggers taught or are some nature?

Deviancy

To build on this, how much of creepiness is built on perceptions of what is “normal” for neurotypical people. As an autistic person, I can see that I creep people out by notions of person space as I’m going about my life (e.g. Americans seem to need a huge personal bubble from strangers), but other parts of the world no one bats an eye.

MagpieLaughs

Is there an element of our perception of creepiness that is confirmation bias? For example, are we are more likely to remember that we initially thought someone was creepy when we discover later that they are dangerous?

Melody B

Could you compare the modern day “creepy” to what would have been creepy in ancient times? And how different cultures view what is creepy and what’s not? Also, how has the language around that feeling has changed over time?

Keerat Singh

How do you account for differences in regional culture when you study “creepiness”?

Euan Munro

Can we have a section on trypophobia please? Why does it have this direct creepy reaction?

Matt Hirschl

Can you please explain the “ick” and how it relates to creepiness?

rowantree

Could you tell us your thoughts on how creepiness and gender studies intersect? I find most of my women friends able to identify creepiness very quickly and wonder how sexism and misogyny have contributed to that survival technique.

spiderbeetlebee

What do some people like to be creeped out? Seeking out scary media and stuff

Meagan Walker

Are some personality types more likely to creep themselves out?

Meagan Walker

Does our tendency toward the creeps or our definition of it change as we get older?

e-rennebee

first time question asker!!! i’m curious if the feeling of being creeped out changes culture to culture or by geography? like are australians less creeped out by snakes and spiders because they live around these kinds of creatures, compared to those of us who don’t?? is exposure a big part of feeling/not feeling creeped out???

Cat

Are we referring to: creepy paranormal type or “ewww. Get away from me” type?

e-rennebee

first time question asker!! what’s the distinction between being scared and creeped out? can you be curious and creeped out at the same time or are they totally different concepts? is feeling creeped out always in a venn diagram of others feelings?

Tim Pfarr

How does science fiction influence your perception of creepiness? I think of 2001 a space odyssey and how that forecast an AI model that posed a threat to humanity when it developed an uncanny resemblance to humanity, developing human flaws. Does this impact your understanding of the subject?

SustainableSirenian

What is the feeling that someone is watching you? How do we know? I unfortunately was stalked but able to get away due to correctly having this feeling? What causes those alarm bells?

SustainableSirenian

Also is creepy a fear of different, a concern of unhealth, and/or a concern of danger? Is something inherently supposed to be creepy to a human versus learned from our environment, culture, role models,etc? I’m thinking about “ugly” villains in Disney movies possibly contributing to the idea of old lonely “ugly” people are creepy. Thank you

Tim Pfarr

How does this intersect with the study of the uncanny? Is it the same? Is it different? Is it some sort of venn diagram of terror?

Amy Arugula

What elements would you combine to create to creepiest thing or situation possible? Something that would creep out the most people, regardless of culture. I promise not to use this information for evil.

Amy Arugula

How can you make a smile more or less creepy?

Christina Pfaff

What are the most universally creepy things? Transcending time, culture, gender, etc. Alternatively, if there aren't any, why do you think that is?

mish the fish

why are men so good at being creepy?

Fuzzgoddess

Is there a biological reason some people are better at sensing creepitude?

Fuzzgoddess

How do you tell someone to stop being creepy without being rude? Or worse, being a creep yourself! 😱

honeybear

The association is so strong for me that when I hear "creepy" I immediately think "men". And even after giving it a lot more thought, I can think of only one women who I'd describe as having been creepy... and zero creepy non-binary people. Meanwhile, I've encountered farrrrr too many creepy men to count.

AB

Why do some people like horror movies more than others?

Anna Wolf

why is gooey-ness creepy? What kind of costuming evokes the most creepy sensation in the viewer? also could you discuss creepiness via auditory media (ie magnus archives, et) that makes your skin crawl. why are bugs so creepy from our perception? is it the legs? why do people think snakes are creepy? (first time question asker Ahnuh Wolf)

honeybear

Genuinely curious... do you love creepy things that are actual threats (ie. someone stalking you) or just safe but creepy stuff like Halloween festivities, etc? I personally love what I'd call "fun creepy" stuff that doesn't actual present any real danger... but things like creepy men absolutely do not fall into that category.

also_ally

How often should we listen to ourselves when we begin to feel creeped out by a person/place? Is it a pretty reliable feeling that we should gtfo or away from whatever is creeping us out?

Brennan Hicks

Why do some people, without really doing anything, give me the creeps? Am I subconsciously picking up on real warning signs, or is it all made up in my head?

also_ally

What is the connection of being creeped out to anxiety? Both feel like they’re in the same realm or feed into each other

Ara Victor

Why do some people gravitate towards "creepy" things as a form of entertainment? even as a child ive always loved creepy stories, images, videos, feelings, the works. I can often go really far out of my way to get that creeped out feeling, yet I know people who hate anything even slightly unsettling. Why am I like this lol.

Ara Victor

Oh! What are your thoughts on infrasound?

Meagan Walker

When I consider creepy humans, there’s often an image of an unkempt man that comes into my head, without knowing anything about the person. What kinds of ideas about creepiness do you see that are unfairly directed at certain groups?

Sage Scarberry

why do things that are almost-human or uncannily human scare us so much?

Bennett Vanderbosch

Why do different people think different things are creepy, and what is true about things we mostly agree are creepy?

Rachael Lemont

Yes, fun creepy only! Halloween, ghosties, old abandoned houses; anything spooky except actual people!! Creepy people can stay far away from me unless they’re actors in a haunted house & they don’t touch me (or follow me home!!)

Ann Eby

Watching people sleep! Creepy! But why?

CARLOS L DE LA ROSA

Throughout my life as a biologist I have had the tendency to love and be curious about creatures (insects and other invertebrates mostly) that many, if not most, people find creepy. Is this sense that “bugs are creepy” the result of upbringing, negative childhood experiences, bad press, or a combination of these and other cultural biases?

TheCole

How much influence do social factors such as pop culture and religion have on what we consider creepy?

Timmy H.

I need their opinion on the song “Creep”

Will Clark

Can you think of examples were the/a culture has unfairly defined "creep" or a person as such?

Irene Jenna

What purpose does our hair have reacting to creepiness? Like our hair stands on end. You can feel it like a wave going down your body.

Reilly

Is there any research into why when someone becomes too friendly it starts to feel a little creepy? How does that work and why does it happen?

hegular

ftqa!! why do we get goosebumps when we’re creeped out? what even are goosebumps? (and linguistically, why do we call them goosebumps?)

Pseudonym Jones IV

IRL, I put effort into making people feel comfortable, but I also have a strong desire to engage in obviously creepy behaviors, such as appearing threatening, but actually delivering sincere compliments. What 'sane' reason could I have for these transgressively benevolent urges?

Pseudonym Jones IV

Does it make us appear oh-so-slightly larger so we are less of a target?

Reese Perini

Is the feeling of being creeped out just a subset of our fear response? Or is it a unique human-specific feeling we have developed due to the complex actions of other humans?

Marianne Keller

Why do some people (like me) find clowns so creepy? My feelings on this predate the inclusion of clowns in horror films and, as a child, I seemed to be the only one who was creeped out by them.

Sara Rocero

Psychologically, how does someone’s present environment make something creepier? Is this part of the evolution of our survival instinct?

Sara Rocero

Is it something about the eyes that can make a smile creepy, like in the movie Smile. Or can we just read the intent and that’s what makes it creepy?

Miranda Buckley

How much do our personal biases and stereotypes influence what/who we feel is potentially threatening (creepy). If it’s a lot, and it’s not rational, how do you overcome it? Also, why is eye contact from strangers so unnerving?

Pseudonym Jones IV

I've been told that it is related to the flatness of the bottom eyelid (flatter is less creepy) and angle of the outer corner of the eye (angling up is friendlier).

Amanda Lask

What is the physiological/psychological reason that humans are so creeped out by certain frequencies of sound? I read that horror movies put certain frequencies to scare watchers even more!

Amy

I've been creeped out by them since I was 3 and went to the circus.

Gordon Haas

Is there a correlation between feeling creeped out and belief in scientifically unsubstantiated phenomena, such as "ghosts" or "spirits"? What about belief in cryptids? Also, what about religious beliefs?

Emily Krieger

is there a difference between creepy and scary?

Michael Breyette

Is there a line between what one considers creepy vs. a phobia. Drains creep me out, I avoid looking at open drains, and I try not to think too much about what is down them. Is that a phobia... Yet?

Alie Ward

The ologist has studied both of those types of creepiness!

Cat

Awesome!!!!!!!!

Kate Timms

I am absolutely hate horror films, but I love horror games. For me horror games are not scary or even creepy. But horror films would give me nightmares. Is there a reason why me playing it rather than watching it makes such a difference?

Kate Timms

Anything to do with possession of the wrong voice coming out of the wrong body (like an adult man’s voice from a little girl’s body) freaks me out so much. Has there been any research on why that might is so abhorrent to us?

Kate Timms

Why do household noises seem so much louder when I’m home alone at nighttime?

Olivier Calas

Did you say creepy Alie? How about considering the term the very definition of the current US administration? A collection of incompetent ignoramus with a convicted rapist for a leader. That is as creepy as it ever gets…

Jonathan Auyer

Is creepiness a biological or cognitive reaction? When we see something creepy out there in the world, is our response grounded in biological reactions or is it a mental reaction? (And if it is a mental reaction, is it socially constructed?)

Annalise De Young

Is there variation across cultures in what is considered creepy? How much overlap is there in the venn diagrams between different cultural definitions? When it comes to thinking other people are creepy, how much of it is actually just racism and/or lack of cultural understanding?

Katie Hammond

Thoughts on the book Creepology: Self Defense for your Social Life?

Pavka34

A question might be how different ideas of corruption or “the other” impact what different people will look over or look past in a leader.

Pavka34

Why does the hair on the back of your neck stand up when you feel threatened?

Pavka34

Discuss the “uncanny valley”. Why do things that look human but aren’t human (zombies, talking robots) creep us out? Does racism enter into this?

Elinor Wahl

I asked a pretty heavy and deeply personal audio question related to 'creepiness' and the perception of mental illness and disability - is it okay for an audio clip to go on for about 45 seconds?

Midori Leibovitz

Why is it that some people love scary creepy things and others hate it?

Kieran H

When I think about my middle and high school years, I've realized that a lot of the people that I deemed to be "creepy" actually just had a disability or were neurodivergent. Has the ologist found an association between disability/neurodivergence and creepiness? I feel bad looking back on it!

Honeybee

FTQA: Is there any research about having a gut feeling that someone is creepy? Especially if they are widely perceived as not?

Jasmine Tsai

Oooh yes!! Liminal spaces! Why so creepy?!

Jasmine Tsai

And my husband wants to know: is it learned behaviour to find things like monsters creepy? Just through story telling and fables that essentially threaten people with an adverse consequence? Is that what makes things creepy?

Genesis

What's the association between creepiness and otherness when it comes to cross-cultural relationships? Is it simply about our inherent fear of the "unknown"? Also, why do I feel like "creepiness" is so much worse than "scary"? Is it that scary things can be so much more unavoidable? It's haunted house Vs walking alone when it's dark

Saira (‘Sarah’) Manns

What is it about a person that makes them creepy? Why can we tell in just a split second look?? Especially kids - why are some kids just so dang creepy???

Marissa Jacobsen

Why are we creeped out when we feel like people/creatures are too CLOSE (physically or overly familiar)?

Saira (‘Sarah’) Manns

Are we born with an innate sense of what is creepy, or is it learned over time? (I guess nature v nurture)

bizanthymum

I agree — it feels similar to the difference between someone who is an avowed clan member vs. someone who is quietly, rabidly racist. At least the clan member has announced and identified themselves, whereas the other is more insidious and therefore more potentially harmful (both awful, just in different ways). To be scary is to be forthright, to be creepy is to be unable to identify precisely why (someone, something) feels like a threat. . . . I creeped myself out writing this.

bizanthymum

Wow y’all totally called out my implicit bias in this — yes, totally agree that “creepy” and “male” are nearly inextricable in my head. While I have met creepy women / enbys, it almost feels like a male trait I’m ascribing to them. I had never noticed that before.

bizanthymum

Interesting question although the cops are quite aware of, and very much wield their creepiness as a weapon. It’s why innocent people get arrested and beaten all the time — Cop: “They were behaving suspiciously.” Civilian: “— because you were following me and harassing me for no reason, dude.” Cops are also trained to view the public as being inherently dangerous / suspicious / creepy, and so bring that bias into their every interaction on the job. Violence toward police is incredibly rare during routine traffic stops, but police are trained as though they are the most potentially dangerous interactions they can have with the public — so who is often on the receiving end of that violence during traffic stops? Civilians. Idk what my follow-up question (FTQA) would be here, but I guess I’d be interested to hear the ologist’s commentary about police brutality and how that relates to creepiness.

bizanthymum

I keep thinking of the Fearology episode (“stress” = fear) as I’m reading thru this comment thread!

bizanthymum

I think this is such an interesting way to frame this question! Like how people who have endured hardship or trauma are often quite darkly funny.

bizanthymum

Yes. I almost feel like “disgust” is requisite to the feeling of creepiness.

Bea Hagen

Where do you think the line is of defending someone who is a so called “creep” from a bully and an actual creep who could cause harm to you and others?

bizanthymum

I feel the same way about styrofoam.

bizanthymum

FTQA - Salad Fingers. Would love to know if the ologist’s origin story began from the collective trauma a generation endured from the creation and virality of that truly unsettling video. Or any other thoughts / commentary they may have. How is everything about that awful cartoon the absolute fucking worst??

Katie Biardi

Why are some things creepy to some people and not to others? E.g., dolls, clowns, Marty the robot at Stop and Shop? (I find him super creepy but my partner doesn't)

Katie Biardi

What's the weirdest thing you've heard someone be creeped out by?

Lisa Gorman

Do we all have an innate creepiness radar, or is this a learned response? And why are things that seem abandoned so creepy?

James Orsatti

How do different cultures interpret and respond to creepiness? Are there behaviors or traits considered creepy in one society but completely normal,or even endearing, in another?”

Erin White

How does one know if you are being creepy to others? I assume that I am not, but then again people who act towards me in ways that I find deeply off-putting don't seem to realise that they are- or maybe don't care? Do creepy people know that they're creepy? Is there a way to check if you are?

Emily Krieger

YESSSSSSSSSSS to all that! does creepiness hold more uncertainty than scariness? Thus making it worse than scary? i'm thinking of uncanny valley. maybe creepiness is a combination of being scared and uncertain, which is the worst for a human lol

it’s just sarah

I guess it’s technically a fear but as someone with trypophobia what is it about the little holes that is so creepy? I’m not afraid of them but it gives me the heebie jeebies

Teresa Gleason

What are the physiological things that happen when ones feels the “creepiness”? Are they different for different types of creepiness (feeling of being watched vs strange person being “too close” or “familiar” vs entering an uncomfortable setting? I always feel it’s better to trust “those” feelings than not and be sorry.

Dawn and Eric Easton

Why is it one can spend hours enjoying music and relaxing in the basement, but when the lights at the bottom of the stairs are turned off, one must run up the stairs before the hounds of hell grab you?

Raja

Struggling with how to phrase this question, but how much of "creepiness" as an emotion is based on societal norms and how much is based on on inherent creepiness of a "thing" or situation? Very vague question, I know. I'm thinking of how humans view other humans and also how humans view other organisms (spiders = not creepy to me, but surely to others). Oh - maybe phrasing it this way: how much is creepiness objective vs subjective?

Ranger France

Are there any backed theories on why we feel disturbed by "uncanny valley" type depictions. I remember seeing a "not-so-fun fact" photo explaining that humans would have had something threatening them in order for us all to develop a fear of things that look kinda like humans, but with off features like larger eyes, deeper smiles, etc. This was a few years before the thought of AI and human looking robots.

Ranger France

For people being perceived as creepy, I read a short research paper in which subjects ranked what makes a person creepy, some examples- licking their lips too often, had greasy hair, had a peculiar smile, had long fingers, wore dirty clothes, and very pale skin. There were 15 in total named but I won't go on. Anywho, what biological reasonings could there be to explain why we as a population have determined these factors to be creepy, weird, and all around a person to avoid?

Coreen “the climate communicator” Weilminster

Creepy food? Jello with meat in it. Badly formed lamb cakes, bologna olive mayonnaise cake…foods of the 60’s and 70’s were creepy!!! Also goes for odd cultural delicacies— like balut, and Hákarl.

honeybear

Hmm yeah... maybe the "trait" is toxic masculinity/patriarchy? :/

Liz Smith

I am tuned in to this all the time and it seems most men might not be. To me it’s the details of certain behaviors that I see/feel make someone a potential threat. I’m recently divorced and I notice men staring at me and my clothes at the laundromat. Come to think of it this used to happen in the 90s and why I HATED not having a washer and dryer. At first I thought maybe they were spying on my lingerie which I always wash in a bag, but now I think it’s the absence of big man pants, shirts, underwear. The same behaviors did not occur when it was obvious there was a large male at home. I have many many other examples of behaviors. The type of vehicle is a thing too though. I think white panel vans and old mini pickups almost always hold creepy creepin’ creepers who are up to nooo good in the neighborhood.

Tiedyeislife

Why are there some people who like creepy or scary things like going into a creepy old house or haunted places. Could it be the lack of survival instincts or is just for a little thrill the way adrenaline works ?

Ross Weckesser

First time question asker here! How does the sense that you’re being watched work? Especially if you can’t see who/what is watching you!

Person

You know how sometimes you just KNOW somebody is creepy? How can we tell? What are the creepy little things they’re subtly giving off that we subconsciously pick up on?

pearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Never been in a basement where the hounds of hell weren’t just waiting for me

Sam Acker

Sam Acker (acre): Are we actually good at sensing when people are watching us, even if it's behind our backs? Or is that all in our heads? Hopefully not the case right now..

Mouse Paxton

Thoughts on Creep by Radiohead? What horror media do you think does a good job of portraying creepiness?

Andrew McVay

In first hand experience how often is a creepy reaction short term and dismissed after getting beyond a superficial understanding of the “creep”?

Andrew McVay

Check out Awkward by Tye Tashiro. It’s a great book to understand how cultures often reject what’s not traditional/cultural/learned traits. And how what’s beyond “normal”, the awkward (creepy) experiences can be great.

Atlas They-Them

Similarly, what physiological and/or intuitive processes are involved in *sensing* (picking up on) creepiness in others? How much can we "trust our guts" vs. not wanting to judge someone based on a first impression?

Atlas They-Them

For what it's worth, I think long fingers look elegant! I wish I had piano hands.

Atlas They-Them

Came here to ask this question! And agreed, spiders are friends. 🕸️

Atlas They-Them

Expanding on this, as someone who has strong negative reactions to certain creepy-crawlies, how much of the "creepy" vibe involves disgust vs. fear? For instance, I know logically that an earw*g cannot hurt me but I will FREAK OUT if I even see one and cannot handle even the NOTION of any physical contact. I don't even like saying "bad bug" names aloud for fear of invoking them... 🥴

Milady Moody

I wonder how much overlap this has with the subject covered in the book Gift of Fear. Like we recognize patterns of strangeness and of people who want to violate boundaries of public/personal space, social decency and norms, and in general want to have a power dynamic the benefits them. After a while things that follow similar patterns get stereotyped as creepy. And then we call that pattern recognition - intuition, right?

Atlas They-Them

Related book recommendation! Disfigured: On Fairy Tales, Disability, and Making Space by Amanda Leduc

Atlas They-Them

Yesssss please ask about curiosity as a possible antidote to creepy things/experiences!

Atlas They-Them

And yet some of those same people will go in for a hug when they first meet someone without asking?? Flabbergasting. (I'm AuDHD.)

Atlas They-Them

Good call re: gaslighting! The issue/uncertainty of whether or not we should trust our own feelings and experiences around "creepiness" seems to be a theme through a lot of these questions, too...

Atlas They-Them

Thinking of the systemic abuse rampant in the Catholic Church, too. Adding to this inquiry, why do some people pick up on such figures' abuse-of-power creepiness but others are oblivious (and thus more at risk, disbelieve others, etc.)?

Atlas They-Them

Add it to the Creepiness playlist, along with Every Breath You Take.

Atlas They-Them

Totally get the once-this-character, always-this-character experience!

Atlas They-Them

Please speak to the sexy-creepy (in art, pop culture, etc.) vs. ew-creepy paradox and how that works? 😅

Ennifer Jelly Tot

FTQA! Being creeped out is a really unpleasant sensation (no one wants to walk down a dark street at night and get that feeling of creepiness). So why do so many of us seek it out for entertainment? I'm thinking everything from old school ghost stories through to Creepy Pasta - why do we love creeping ourselves out?

Nicole Kleinman

Why / when did we start celebrating creepiness during “spooky season” or Halloween?

Nicole Kleinman

Why are some people creeped out by somethings, but others are not? For example, I am creeped out by spiders, but my husband is not.

Nicole Kleinman

Why do we sense a creepy vibe from some people? Is that real or in our heads?

Alie Ward

Yeah no problem! I believe the cutoff is 60 or 90 seconds.

Nancy Ax

First time questioner. Is “hair raising creepiness” really hair raising? Can skin really “crawl?”

Courtney Stogsdill

Why does children singing sound so freaking creepy to me? A children’s choir can absolutely creep me out.

Kait

With human intuition, where is the line between evolution and magical thinking?

Kait

Curious about unconscious bias and perceiving creepiness

Kait

Ok but the people need to know: does the ologist believe in ghosts?????

Twenty Three Skidoo

Same! I collect creepy dolls (some say haunted..I say misunderstood), but creepy men send me into fight/flight.

Philipp Meder

Does something being generally considered creepy have cultural influences? I can imagine certain things that were considered creepy a century ago aren't anymore today.

Allison Clark

How has what is considered 'creepy' been influenced by place/time/culture? My brain jumps to spiders and skeletons when I hear the word - do folks from other places have other immediate associations when they think about creepiness?

Jeremy

For me, trypophobia triggers feel creepy, not fear-inducing. (I have a fear of heights, and that feels completely different.) What is the evolutionary origin of trypophobia? Is it due to avoiding skin infected by parasites?

Amelia Díaz Ettinger

How much is our sense of "creepiness" due to nurture vs nature? I always thought it was the way you raise children. As a mom, I tried to make sure my kids loved all of nature and got their hands dirty with all kinds of creepy-crawlers. But my grandkids tend to be in the "ugh" category when it comes to a lot of weird and wonderful critters.

Mini Minnie

Is creepiness in reaction to potential danger, rather than fear which is for imminent danger?

Hester Mallonee Jenkins

Why is darkness so creepy? For example, my normal neighborhood becomes creepy after dark. Or the woods, when I'm out camping. Is there a way to overcome that inherent after-dark creepiness?

Flora

Are there cultural differences what is considered creepy? European Question asker ;-)

Jeremy Green

As a man who avoids most interactions with women for fear of being labeled creepy, how common is this these days and is that an irrational fest?

Flora

I am Dutch and we do not have a word for creepy, we do know scary but it feels it means something different. Is that correct? Also, what are other words for creepiness in other languages/cultures?

LesLee

Why are some people not creeped out at all by things others are? I love and appreciate snakes, spiders, insects, worms, bats, cats, the dark, extreme quiet, etc… and I get creeped out, instead, by people. Just a regular person that I don’t know says hi to me in a grocery store, or some other innocuous place, and I get the feeling that I need to run. Do I have opposite creepy feelings? :D

Jani Rounds

Oooooh fascinating topic! I have heard that horror movies, scary stories, etc are a way of “practicing” so we know how to deal with scary things when we encounter them. Is there any scientific validity to that? How does the feeling of creepiness play into that?

The Deal with Animals- Podcast

What causes that visceral feeling where your hair stands up when you kind of get shivers up your spine. This might be a bit of a weird one, but I have a physical reaction of shivering every time I drive my car over roadkill.

Amelia DeHoff

What’s up with uncanny valley? I heard somewhere that this could be an evolutionary response to slightly “off” human corpses — does that idea hold up in terms of how feeling creeped out might protect us?

Han the Bee

What is the relationship between the Verb "Creep" and the adjective "Creepy? Do we "creep" cautiously to avoid the threat of possible threat (something creepy?). Or do slow moving things that "Creep" make us feel creepy because their danger is present but is vaguely threatening? Thank you!

rosalieeee3

Why does the undetectable music that they use in haunted houses creep people out?

Jessie Crawford

I am a very rational, scientific person. But I absolutely love scary movies, ghost stories, and general creepiness. Why do people who are "non-believers" still feel creeped out by these fictional fears and the stories people tell. Thank you!

Chelsea Wilck

Why is it that some of us who are obsessed with "creepy" things (i.e. horror films, haunted houses, spooky home decor year round) are otherwise the most jumpy, anxious people around even the tiniest of real creepy circumstances (I sprint to the bathroom in the middle of the night just in case Art The Clown is on the loose in my house) - is it some sort of coping mechanism for being like severely anxious at all times?? PS SO HAPPY WE ARE ENTERING SPOOKTOBER EPISODE TERRITORY!!

Andy Pepper

As a snake person, I have two questions: 1) are snakes the OG creepy thing for humans, and 2) I find when I push through my reservations about creepy things, they’re suddenly and completely demystified—and sometimes I might find I love them (see: snakes). Does that happen consistently for people?

Erin Dewberry

What is the correlation between being creeped out and mental health? Do those who's brains work different respond to creepy stimulants differently?

Kurt Swanson

Is the "creepy doll" type of creepy related to "creepy guy at the bar" type of creepy?

Andy Pepper

And I’m wondering if the expert is a David Lynch fan! Why are his movies so deliciously creepy?

Kiki’s Delivery Service

This! I immediately think of the rampant fear (slash obsession with) the idea of live burial that pervaded early Gothic literature, especially in the 19th century. (Think: Nearly anything written by Edgar Allen Poe.) That was such a thing! And now it's a lesser-used trope in popular media. So interesting.

TB33

Why do some of us LOVE "creepiness" and others hate it? What is it that we get (physically or psychologically) out of being creeped out that we enjoy?

TB33

How do we (collectively as humans) determine what's creepy or not? Individual differences and preferences aside, there are certain things that seem to be more universally creepy than others. Is that evolutionary?

bizanthymum

Hell yeah love this question

GhoulNextDoor

What cues are people picking up on in situations that cause them to feel creepy? How quickly do people tend to become habituated to situations that were once considered creepy? And does that change culturally?

GhoulNextDoor

I have noticed a lot of old children’s toys and decor like dolls and plush toys that were once sought after by and for kids are now more than a little off putting. Why does that happen and why are my grandma’s childhood dolls so eerie now?

Rachel Robinson

Are more attractive people seen as less creepy with the same behaviors as less attractive people?

Taters Schmitty

Are the same things considered "creepy" by most humans, or is there a strong personal or cultural component to creepiness? Has Hollywood taught us all that clowns are creepy, or are clowns just inherently creepy and so that made it into movies? Is there a transitive property to creepiness? Thinking of my dog- does she react to things because she can tell I'm creeped out, or is she just creeped out in her own right?

Rachael Swenson

What % of creepy things are inate vs learned vs taught?

Mr. Weevil

Is there a relationship between creepiness and the verb “creeping”?

Rachael Swenson

Why do people tend to feel unease around certain people and then they end up being predators. What are we picking up on. I'm thinking of multiple teachers who seemed "off" but nothing obviously harmful but then later they'd get convicted for sexual abuse/assault

Fiona Dolphin

What’s up with attractive people doing/saying creepy shit and getting away with it? While less attractive people are instantly considered creepy doing the same thing? I’m thinking about Edward Cullen watching Bella sleep in Twilight LOL would Bella have thought he was a creep if he were ugly??? Idk

Anna Elizabeth

autistic people being perceived as creepy by neurotypicals when they don’t know the autistic person is autistic. what’s up with that?

Evelyn Uyemura

Are women ever creepy, or is it a male trait?

a-dongle's-dongle

What are your thoughts on the cause of trytophobia? Condensed holes seen to be generally creepy, even to people without the disorder... Which is why I think monsters are often depicted with clustered eyes. Also, are pencil thin mustaches creepy because of someone with one who creeped out forefathers or because they are innately creepy?

Bevearlea

Is creepy the same as squicky or even icky? When you say creepy I immediately think of people but I’m noticing a lot of people are mentioning animals or insects. Can we differentiate between the cause of creepiness and apply it to different situations equally or are these unrelated by our brains?

Claire Jost

Is there an evolutionary explanation for some of the common but not obvious things that creep people out? I understand why it can be a protective mechanism in some cases but (for example) can’t figure out why I find holes so creepy!

Jordan

How do our brains react to creepy things? Is it like being scared, where we might seek out controlled encounters with scary things via haunted houses or ghost tours? Do we seek out controlled encounters with creepiness? Asking as someone whose phone’s photos app has tagged antique dolls as a person

Jordan

Are there examples of people who leverage their own creepiness as a tool? Also, is there a psychological effect for people who are perceived as creepy?

Jordan

How does gender/gender expression influence creepiness, if at all?

Anton Kleynscheldt

How common is it as an effect of Neurodiversity? I think it may be my OCD, but I'm convinced that I'm creepy to be around, especially for women, and I'm convinced that any amount of time a child spends near me heightens the chance of me causing irreparable damage to them. I KNOW none of these are true, but I can't help thinking that way.

Kim

FTQA Why do we perceive some people as creepy?

Timbo

FTQA Why is intense eye contact so damn close to erotic intimacy and serial killer vibes at the same time??

Gina H

Im flirty & i can make infinite eye contact am i creepy???

Spencer Parks

Starting Spooktober early? ;) I'm down for it any time of the year!

Rae Press

1. Can you talk about the 'uncanny valley' as an element of creepiness? Dolls, robots, doppelgangers can call have this feature to them. 2. Is there a cultural element to what is creepy? Does it relate to what we're often exposed to? I'm an Irish person living in Canada now, and I often notice my Canadian partner tends to find buildings creepy if they're old for the city we live in whereas Ireland has a lot more visible history in buildings, castle ruins, graveyards etc and I'm much less bothered by most of them. Same with forests - some people find them creepy while others find them welcoming. I'm curious to know what makes an environment more generally foreboding beyond a personal negative experience of one.

Rae Press

Ooh! As an Irish person, the roots of Halloween are from Samhain. The Celts believed that the veil between the living and the dead was thin on the eve of Oct 31st (into Nov 1) and that the dead could walk among the living. A lot of the traditions were around leaving offerings for dead relatives to find their way home while tricking or persuading more malevolent spirits to pass you by. Curious when a celebration of more general creepiness became the mainstream focus!

Rae Press

I feel that way about sinkholes. And drains.

Erin Dewberry

Is there something in your field of study that we don't know yet? What big mysteries are unsolved?

Wiets Howl

Is creepiness in the eye of the beholder or is it an objective truth?

Wiets Howl

How come dogs can tell who is creepy before we can

Chelsea and her dog Charlie

Is there anything probably biological about the creepy feeling you get when you feel like you’re being watched?

Chelsea and her dog Charlie

What sense is most likely to make something creepy? A film professor posited that scenes without sound aren’t scary - is it only visual things that are creepy?

Ranger France

Me too, but I think it is all in the context! Queen Elizabeth the first was obsessed with making her fingers appear as long as possible. Long fingers on ballerinas are a physical attribute that is praised. And for musicians it is just an added benefit. But at the same time, a lot "monster" depictions in film shows them having super long fingers in relation to humans. Now I am wondering what the appropriate finger to palm length ratio is considered to be 😂

D.J. Brenner

I've heard that "things that slither" and "things with too many legs" are phobias that get stuck in people's minds more than other things to be afraid of/find creepy. Is this true, and are there others? Side note: it is worth looking up videos of dogs dressed like giant spiders scaring people in public.

floraandthefaun

historical entanglements between what's perceived as creepy and racism, classism, and non-normative bodies?

floraandthefaun

and how is creepiness used today as a political tool? thinking about how whole groups of people (e.g. queer and trans people, immigrants) are made out to be creepy (potential threats, in disguise) in order to vilify them and deny them rights?

Sara Swank

i came here to say something similar!

Sara Swank

hi! FTQA! how does ableism affect people’s creepy-meter? i feel like it’s obvious that many elements of “creepy” in old media are either taboo or rejected from society. my mind goes to sloth from the goonies or quasimodo from hunchback of notre dame (and i’m sure countless other distasteful depictions). why are “creepy insane asylums” where thousands of people were tortured, popular around halloween? i get that the act of torture is scary but i feel like there’s something bigger here

Sara Swank

goes along with the uncanny valley questions i’m sure— but why do AI images (of people) make my hair stand up

Sara Swank

how does our body know we are creeped before our brain does 🤨

Sara Swank

how come songs (even ones that aren’t like supposed to be spooky) give us the creeps ?

Sara Swank

why do people like to be creeped out?

Sara Swank

if being scared is a form of self protection, what are we creeped out by things that aren’t dangerous? what’s the difference between being scared and being creeped out?

Sara Swank

like scary movies and haunted houses

JawsThemeSwimming

As a kid I used to live in the woods with a long drive way. And it would get dark and creepy. I would take the trash out at night and I actually enjoyed the feeling of being creeped out. Why do some people like that feeling and what causes us to seek it out sometimes?

Andrew McVay

Also, those dog videos are a great example of how something creepy might be super friendly/fun beneath the exterior

Daphne

What is it that makes the way a person is looking at you creepy? Is it something about their eyes? Their body language? Their face?

Mindy Corcoran Turley

What is the difference psychologically or neurologically between when you get like a primal sense that something or someone is wrong or you shouldn’t get in an elevator or walk down a certain street, etc. and that feeling of creepiness where something just feels eerie and spooky, and for lack of a better word, creepy? They definitely are different, but I can’t quite pinpoint exactly what that difference is.

Lil Kitfox

Being on the receiving end of an extended non-blinking stare is super creepy, anxiety inducing and intimidating. Is this feeling of creepiness and self-protection related to a predator/prey dynamic?

Raja

How has "creepiness" evolved since the concept was first documented? Are there examples of what was considered creepy at one point in time that are no longer generally considered creepy? And vice-versa?

The Other Maya

Bump! The only thing that makes me more angry/sad than this question is how important it is.

The Other Maya

I'm usually like catnip for kids, but I caused a full on meltdown in a toddler at the taylor the other day. I think it was my "outfit". Very bad: high-viz bike shorts and a very frilly very red very silky blouse. It was truly awful. The kid nearly toppled the stroller clawing at his mom and crying. It was traumatic. I never had that worry before but now I kinda think about it sometimes and I'm like "was the kid already broken or did I break them just by being there?". Not a good feeling, cuz like - I literally just walked out of a dressing room, there was no "thing" that happened. I sympathize.

The Other Maya

Super interested in this. Also cultural takes.

The Other Maya

Is the dress blue or gold? Why do some folks pick up on certain creep factors and others never recognize them? I'm thinking about politics right now and how the figures in the current administration give me the absolute "Nope"s but, clearly, somehow, other folks don't see that something just isn't right. How. What. How?

RestingLaurelFace

Ahh, so sad I missed the deadline for the questions on this! I wanna know why walking up stairs in the dark is literally the creepiest/scariest thing ever lmfao

Gordon Haas

If you love David Lynch's movies, I recommend watching a new independent film called "I Know Catherine, The Log Lady". It's documentary about the life (and death of actress Catherine Coulson, who played Margaret Lanternman, the Log Lady in Twin Peaks. Lynch appears in the film, which includes behind-the camera scenes from the Twin Peaks second series, which Catherine filmed from her deathbed, as she was dying of cancer. https://iknowcatherine.com/ Also, I actually did know her, She came through the line I was checking groceries at several times as a customer. She and my daughter both graduated from Scripps College in Claremont, California.

Stephanie McCleery

I'd love to understand why creepiness isn't universal. Like we all see a mountain lion as an existential threat but why do some people look at the DJT/Vance ticket and go, "that's my jam" while others of us get the absolute willies just hearing them speak?

Kim G

I was listening to the episode and thought I heard Allie say my name connected to a question I didn’t remember asking. I scrolled through to see what question I asked and it turns out there’s two of us!

Kim Greiner

No way!!!! I thought I heard my name on an episode a while back that I didn’t ask on. Hi twin!!! Mine is pronounced the German way - Gri - ner :)