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Let's. Talk. Turkey.

Nope -- not an encore episode. A brand new one because turkeys deserve your attention for the 51 weeks out of the year that they are not on the dinner menu Dr. Cyler Conrad is a Zooarchaeologist who studies thousands of years of turkey behavior and domestication and my whole narrative about turkeys has been broken down and rebuilt from this.

Wattles. Snoods. Struts. Vibes. Audacity, mirrors, rainstorms, the deep connections between Indigenous cultures and North American turkeys, creepy turkeys, and alternate universes.

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Meleagrology (TURKEYS) with Dr. Cyler Conrad - alie ward

Wattles. Snoods. Struts. Vibes. It's not November, which is exactly why we're putting this episode out. All day every day, turkeys are out there like beanbags with stick legs. Let's take a moment, or 90 minutes, with Archaeologist, Meleagrologist, and turkey researcher, Dr. Cyler Conrad. We'll find

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Jim

When we get the “Meat Paradox” episode, it will be interesting to explore the use of Old English vs French: cow/beef, sheep/mutton, pig/pork, etc.

Alie Ward

Oh for real! Also I'm adding a little addendum to that that yes, any reduction in animal products helps and it's not an all-or-nothing. But the psychology of that cognitive dissonance is such a huge topic. I have a dear friend who roasts a suckling pig at Christmas, but also cries over posts about dogs rescued from meat slaughterouses and loves animals. No shade to her; as the paper stated: most people love animals WHILE being meat eaters (myself included.) So discussions on protein needs and acquisition, a check in on out Entomophagy Anthropology episode (insect consumption) etc. is one I'd love to do. I keep threatening to make a spin-off called Isms and this would be a great first one.

Jim

I love the idea of Isms! The world needs more suffix podcasts!

Alie Ward

No, I hadn't heard of it until now!!

Emily Krieger

dang!! i shoulda asked! it is a pretty dreamy lil film, a scientist lives with/like turkeys for a year. same deal with mule deer in mt too i think. highly rec watching it!

Whole Ed

Wamba and Gurth discussed this in Ivanhoe.

frondsbecomelavers

I saw a wild Tom while picking morels the day before I listened to this episode!

frondsbecomelavers

I usually find a bunch of them standing in the road in Washington. 😂 I also saw a grouse trying to court a female while crossing the street this week.

DCDC

Tis the season! A few years ago I used to see a regular group, Tom, mom and babies, always kept distance…. never have I ever had to run until that one day when we were too close accidentally, they popped out about 20ft away, above us and behind a mulberry tree… I ran faster than my encounter with a black bear and her cubs! Grateful for this episode 🙏

frondsbecomelavers

Phew! My dog was very intrigued, but I'm glad I stopped him before he got close after hearing about the spurs.

Alyssa Berg

I'm like 1 minute into this but just wanted to say that I saw the title and went "Oh nice, such a timely episode" because our neighborhood flock of like 15-20 enormous wild turkeys have been very About Town lately as it starts to warm up! They frequently stop traffic on my regular route to the gym, and they are a beloved fixture of our St. Paul, Minnesota neighborhood!

Alie Ward

Oh good! I wanted to highlight them alive moreso than dead!

Jen Rigney

Re the secret: Alie, I am totally with you on the ultrasonic toothbrush. I HATED it, made my whole head buzz. Even the rotating OralB is pushing it. I too have been using retro toothbrushes (but I live by myself so I don’t have to hide it 🙂)

Lindsay Mixer

I had forgotten I asked about Thankskilling 💀 delighted that you asked about it, it's a truly terrible movie so I hope you didn't waste your time actually watching it 😅

Moth

The comment about ‘no one can be truly vegan’ is off base. Most people that are vegan go by the principle of ‘as far as is practical and possible’. Quoted by the Vegan Society as the definition of veganism ‘"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practical—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing, or any other purpose..." If you don’t want to be vegan, don’t throw actual vegans under the bus as fakes. Also having listened to ‘every single episode’ of Ologies’s, it’s a bit of a cop out at this point to say ‘oh I wanna try be vegan but haven’t got around to it’ it’s been years. Try or don’t. It’s not hard for someone in LA that’s employed/runs an award winning podcast to give it a go.

Mere

I used to work in state parks and often would came across flocks of turkeys hanging out with deer while grazing. Was told it was to have extra eyes out for predators while they’re grazing/sleeping. I always just thought it was super cute haha

wickeddavey

I had a turkey pet when i was 6- my parents had an incubator and hatched eggs. they really do imprint. mine lived till I was like 13/14. if my brother was chasing me turkey became an attack turkey to my defense lol

Kendall

Lowkey agreed, I didn’t see the point of that aside besides making lame excuses.. I also thought it was weird that she acknowledged she would not be able to kill the animals herself. Do you think the people who work in slaughterhouses enjoy it?? Often they’re minimum wage, highly exploited workers and get PTSD from it. Even if you’re not going to go vegan for the animals, I think doing it to avoid the downstream human harms from your consumption is a good reason too

Moth

Absolutely!

Fernando López Haro

I came here to make exactly the same point. Veganism is a philosophy that attempts to minimize suffering where it is not needed. Crop deaths is not an argument against veganism because the majority of plants grown by humans end up being fed to animals that humans then eat. By not eating livestock, you are not only sparing that life but also avoiding all the crop deaths involved in growing food for the cow, or pig, or chicken, or turkey... #GoVegan

Elizabeth

I listened to this while hiking and seeing lots of turkeys, and I really love it when I get to feel like I'm on a field trip like that

Sarah with an h

Minneapolis has tons of turkeys. There was a single guy who used to roam our neighborhood. We named him and everyone warned each other when Kenny was around the corner so nobody (people, dogs, or Kenny) was startled. He roosted on neighbors roofs. One day, tragedy struck when Kenny was in an accident with the mail truck. He didn't make it. The mourning neighbors set a small roadside memorial with flowers and balloons, turkey related memorabilia. Minneapolis: come for the revolution, stay for the turkeys.

Anna Freitas

Literally came here to say this!!! Seriously my whole dang head. I actually tried my BF's OralB when I was thinking of getting my own and I'm so glad I did. I did ok with the Quip, but they're much better than "retro" as you call them, so I'm back to retro too

Alli B

I’m here to request a full length version of Kiss While We’re Fighting. Nice job, podmom.

Alli B

It was like why try if you can’t be perfect. Meanwhile, go on eating animals while we study them. I love the idea of an episode on the meat paradox.

Sage Hardy

Same! I find it helps to pace around the apartment or wander over to the window and stare at the trees while brushing with the electric one

Sage Hardy

We always had turkeys on the farm growing up and the babies would take dust baths in the soil. Even had a lil albino poult one time 😊

Priyal

I really regret not asking how turkeys got to Australia! I live in Sydney and we are just overrun with brush turkeys. They are a native species, so obviously arrived here a long time ago. But when? How? On a little vegetation raft? They are also sassy and enjoy chasing and trying to peck (at times successfully) my overly chill dog. We have some great footage of him being stalked by turkeys, completely unbothered.

Leila

Omg! As someone from spokane, it makes SO much sense that this ologist is from here. The south hill turkeys here are infamous!!

Mads

This episode is everything I love about Ologies. An ologies talking seriously about their passion, sharing interesting facts, giving cultural insight, and admitting that they wind down their car window to gobblegobblegobble at passing turkeys

Melissa Hart

Oh, I love this documentary--especially the quote, "Don't betray the moment."

Melissa Hart

I'm in the south hills of Eugene, Oregohn, and our turkeys are infamous for stopping traffic. :)

That Iowa Ginger

Finally getting to listening to this. Your call at the beginning cracked me up because I was recently camping and got a wake up call from one maybe 50 to 100 feet from me. Good imitation!

Emotional-Support-Human

I may have tried to convince my friend to get a pet turkey for the back yard by using facts from this episode...

Toni Vernelli

The Meat Paradox is incredibly complex and would be a fascinating episode for Oolgies fans cause we're all animal lovers here! You should check out Dr Melanie Joy and her book Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs and Wear Cows https://www.amazon.com/Love-Dogs-Pigs-Wear-Cows/dp/1590035011 where she explores the psychological processes underlying this paradox.

Martha my dear

Hey there, just coming in to comment on the turkeys drowning in the rain question. I’ve kept multiple kinds turkeys at my place in New Mexico over the years- the double breasted whites (aka frankenturkeys), bronze, Rio Grande wild turkeys, etc. So I can tell you that one morning, when we had the double breasted white frankenturkeys, after an especially strong monsoon downpour, my husband and I went out to the yard to find the big tom as dead as a doornail. My guy was flat out under the side of the shed roof, neck craned upward. And when we picked him up, water poured out of him. There is no question that the guy did, indeed, drown in the rain. No flimflam. In this episode, y’all got close to what I believe to be the answer- the super over-bred double breasted white turkeys are definitely dumb enough to drown in the rain. I never had this happen with any of the other breeds and don’t think it would happen with the others- they seem to have retained some capacity and instincts for survival.