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Y’all I’m back! Last week was only the second time in 7 years we didn’t post a show and it’s because (little drumroll) I got hit with a double whammy of RSV and norovirus and yes, it WAS hellish. I tried recording for about 4 minutes, and had to lie down on the floor with my head in a dog bed.

However: I’m doing great now. All better and was able to finish up this week’s wonderful botanical romp with almost-doctor Leigh Joseph. She’s an ethnoecologist, ethnobotanist, and member of the Squamish First Nation in the Pacific Northwest. It's all about the what, where, and who of native plants

She chats medicinal and ceremonial plants, identifying and relating to flora around you, Latin vs. traditional naming, and uses for barks, berries, roots, shoots, saps, leaves and more. We also talk about the chilling family history that inspired her and how pharmaceuticals can be derived from Indigenous knowledge. Oh – and the dos and absolutely do-nots of harvesting certain species.

So I hope you enjoy this one, and attached are some photos of our native garden taken by the wonderful David Newsom of Wild Yards Project here in LA.

Anyone else thinking of planting native? And what apps or books do you like for identifying local plants? Also we talk about what to rub on your face.

Bon a-plant-if,

Your Plant Daddy PodWard

Some pictures taken by David of our native garden, including:

Calochortus plummerae, Plummer’s Mariposa Lily

Bloomeria crocea, aka: Golden Star”

Erigeron foliosus -a bee magnet

Bloomeria - short lived firework among the lupine

Eriogonum elongatum - single most valuable pollinator plant during late summer (see final slides)

Asclepius fascicularis- Narrowleaf milkweed, Monarch butterfly-essential host plant

Dichelostema capitatum- Blue Dicks, elegant and delicate-seeming survivor on baked, rocky slopes.

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Ethnoecology (ETHNOBOTANY/NATIVE PLANTS) with Leigh Joseph - alie ward

The what, where, and who of native plants is ... ethnobotany! Which is under the umbrella of Ethnoecology!

Comments

Matt Hirschl

Glad you’re okay! You totally could have called me to in to record. Or about any of us Ologites.

Rhiannon Williams

Amazing episode, so close to home for me here in unceded British Columbia. Leigh is such a great guest, such a wealth of knowledge. I knew of her company but had no idea she was a scientist too! (I have some scented candles from Sḵwálwen and they're amazing.)

Lorie B

oh. Can't wait to listen!

John Worster

Is there a natural way to keep my neighbor's cats out of my flower beds? They use them as a bathroom.

Between Dumplings

I do hope you’ll tend to the ol’ immune system. Also lungs hold grief so respiratory illnesses all around are a minefield for you. Now your gorgeous screenshots - can we tell if the bees pictured are native or invasive?

Lizzy Martinez

The thing she said that really got to my heart was about the settlers who robbed them of their land lying about them not farming. And also, the books/resources she was finding that were from a non-native POV. Ughh. So happy Leigh is on this planet doing what she is doing. Leigh for President?!? Idk if we're even that deserving tbh.

Lauren Ledesma

So excited! As soon as I bought my first house I went a little insane buying native plants! I think I purchased over 50 species. I am fascinated by ethnobotany and recommend Nicholas Hummingbird's classes on native California plants! My favorites are western columbine, lemonade berry, and CA Fuchsia!

Alie Ward

RIGHT? I need an immunology episode, stat. I usually get sick once every few years, so this is weeeeird for me! I hate it!

Alie Ward

Matt, where were you when my head was in a dog bed

Dave Cannon

Anyway to get Leigh's name written out in Squamish? Just curious.

Alie Ward

Oh wow! I've never been there but the photos are gorgeous. Wear thick socks!

Alie Ward

Good question, John! I'm guessing fencing, but that definitely changes the aesthetic and cats are good climbers...

Alie Ward

Her work is amazing -- I'm so glad you enjoyed the episode!

Alie Ward

Yes, he's local to us an amazing!

Rhiannon Williams

Come visit! Vancouver/Squamish/(skip Whistler)/Pemberton/Lillooet Lake are gorgeous (I recommend summer).

Between Dumplings

Yes, I bought the deck (I didn't realize it was West Coast specific and am looking forward to the East Coast version. My niece's wife works at a phenomenal therapeutic horticultural program outside of Baltimore where she runs the OT program. I am eager for her to get the East Coast version. They do amazing work and we got to bring my Mom to participate in flower wreath-making. Jamie's also becoming a fab gardener and won ribbons in her first show. I have a small container garden and was sad last summer that even though I had pollinator attractors planted, almost none came to visit.

Alie Ward

Aaaah, awesome! Thank you for this!

mariia k

glad that youre feeling better, gonna give it a listen this evening!

Kayfons

Okay okay special interest triggered!! Maybe immune and gut health ology with the guys at Zoe? Apparently our immune system is IN OUR GUT. Who knew?? Not me. Actually, following their advice turned my health around, super super grateful. I was a hot mess. And they just released a super interesting study, randomised double blind, with 100,000 participants in conjunction with King's College London and the Massachusetts General Hospital, Stanford and Harvard, and the results are fascinating.

Kayfons

Thanks Jenn!! Also I forgot to say 'Alie get better and we love you' but I'm chaotic 💜

Surisitee

Excited to finish listening!!

Badoopadoo!

Thank you for the wonderful episode! Glad to hear you’re feeling better 💖

TJ Mckenna

Loved the new episode, this episode is perfect timing for my Conservation Biology course this semester that has an emphasis on connections to indigenous practices. As a cis white man, so excited to learn and hear about something other than what more oldtime-y white men came up with for once! Now I’m sure you are but i hope you’re doing all of the necessities to get better! Be sure to practice what you preach about wellness dad ward! Need you in tip top shape! And certainly don’t forget we’re always here, your listeners aren’t going anywhere no matter when you post an episode!!!

Malia 🌀🩻

Alie are you in my walls?!?! This episode is literally everything I’ve been hoping for… youre so good at creating content that makes me excited it’s getting suspicious 😳 if you are in my walls, hi ❤️

Emma is Rosey

As a Vancouver girly I was very excited to hear from this expert. Glad you are feelin better Alie

choirqueer

LOVED this episode and I'm so glad Gremmie could join us ^_^

Emma is Rosey

Also - orange shirt day in Canada was also coined “truth and reconciliation day” about two years ago. Interesting tidbit.

Colby Evans

Glad you're on the mend, Alie.

Colby Evans

Heard a rumor you'll be attending the Oddities and Curiosities Expo in LA - True? Both days?

Peregrine

Glad you’re feeling better, Alie! I was excited to hear mentions of the University of Victoria! Small world :) The ecosystems of that area are so dear to my heart Thanks Leigh and all of you for the episode 💚

Peregrine

I’ve heard that they don’t like citrus so some people use that to deter. Haven’t tried it though

Alie Ward

thank you and I hope you dig it, and I did not realize that was a pun until after I typed it

Alie Ward

Thank you so much, YOU AND ME BOTH. That was a rough 8 days, whooo boy.

Alie Ward

Awww, thank you so so so much. I hope your class is even more exciting after having this context!

Alie Ward

I hear Vancouver is lovely AND there is a bug zoo there

Alie Ward

She is very unprofessional but good for corporate morale

Alie Ward

Ah, I hadn't realized that. I've heard of Orange Shirt Day for years but I loved learning the context via the survivor's personal story

Alie Ward

Thank you so so much. It was ROUGH. I need an immunology episode so badly

Alie Ward

Really? Where did you hear? I don't think I'm scheduled to but maybe I forgot, ha!

Alie Ward

Ohhhh, it must be gorgeous up there. and tough for a scientist to decide which of the abundance of critters and plants to study.

Colby Evans

Just a little bird who may be a gosh-darn liar.

choirqueer

She is beautiful and perfect in every way. The entire concept of professionalism must adapt to her ways.

GhoulNextDoor

So glad you’re doing better! I loved this episode so much! I listened while sitting in some dirt in my yard with some plants and got emotional and teary eyed many-a-time

Lindsay Malone

My heart grew (at least) three sizes listening to Leigh and your conversation. ❤️💜💚 I've long been grateful for Nancy Turner's work and so I especially delight in thinking Leigh is carrying on and deepening ethnobotanical knowledge in the Coast Salish region. Thank you so much for bringing up the topic of approaching non-native plants! I'm going to be putting some of the practices mentioned into my stewardship efforts next week. And OMG Pojar & Mackinnon's book is my absolute favorite and I'm stoked to know it is getting an update!!!!! May you feel better and better each day Alie, perhaps even with the help of some wonderful plant medicines.

Lindsay Malone

Oh, and for folks who have a copy of Plants of the PNW Coast is there a favorite nugget/jewel/berry of information? I think mine pertains to Fringecup/Tellima grandiflora, p. 167: "Fringecup was said to be eaten by woodland elves to improve night vision." The ethnobotanical notes in this guide are such gifts for deepening appreciation of plant peoples.

Hope J 🏳️‍🌈

Loved this episode and loved the photos of your native plant garden!

Shannon Burns

I live in QLD Australia and have just ordered seeds for my first native garden, do you have any advice for those just dipping their toes into the world of native gardening?

Nevena Georgieva

I live in an apt building, so I won't be planting a native plant garden any time soon, so sad.. but oh boy, this ep had all the vibes. Leigh is so smart and thoughtful and wise and gentle. 🫶🏼

Karyn Molines

I appreciated her statements on responsible foraging and role of native gardening for providing your home grown edibles. The discussions on invasives is so nuanced and needs a whole podcast for itself.

Alie Ward

Exactly the right way to listen

Alie Ward

So glad this episode spoke to you!

Alie Ward

Why thank you so much! My dad loved seeing pictures of the garden, so springtime is always bittersweet -- knowing how much he would love seeing pictures of the poppies in bloom. <3

Alie Ward

Oh that's great! I know that LA is pretty arid but the seedlings need regular water when they're getting started! Also learn about which weeds are invasive and keep weeding to give the native plants the best chance!

Alie Ward

If you have any outdoor space, a local milkweed in a pot is always appreciated by the monarchs on their northern-souther routes!

Alie Ward

Oh I'm glad that struck you! It was interesting for me to hear different Indigenous perspectives on that, too.

Nevena Georgieva

Awesome tip. Also, how did you know that my dream is to go to Mexico for the monarch butterfly migration? It was, of course, inspired by the butterfly episode.

Misty Bentz

This was a great episode, thank you! About the rose oil to slather on your face -- was that rose oil or rosehip oil? Both seem to be marketed for skin care. And does anyone have a brand to suggest? :)

NoraLouisa

Hi Shannon, awesome that you’re starting a native garden ! Hurray! As mentioned in the episode as well, I’d suggest to visit a native plant nursery, in case one is in the area, or message one as they’re usually super keen to assist wherever they can. Good luck!

NoraLouisa

What an absolute gem of an episode! I started working at a native plant nursery and also at a landcare organisation focusing on so called invasive plants, this episode filled my heart like so many others. It encouraged me to follow that path and to have a gentler mindset, while removing weeds. Thank you Leigh for all the wisdom shared, and thank you Alie for giving indigenous peoples a platform.

Cat Baklarz

I am lucky to have a balcony. But even if I didn't have that, I'd still find a window to put my hummingbird feeder (cleaned twice weekly.) Having them visit is quite magical. Might help?

Cat Baklarz

SO sad I can't make it to this one but... Ologies oddities fan club? Looking for spooky people in LA 🖤

Alie Ward

They said rose oil but I ended up getting Rose Hop Oil from the brand Ordinary -- which a lot of people like. I end up slathering my face with it at night

Alie Ward

Aww, that's great that it resonated with your work! Leigh is amazing.

Nevena Georgieva

Thanks, Cat! Love this cause I'm on the ground floor and the windows face a courtyard. It's closed to the residents but open to hummingbirds :)

Misty Bentz

Thank you for the recommendation!

Natasha Stroebl

I agree! Even a plant in a pot can spread joy to humans and critters! But, just to make planting milkweed more complicated, I'm going to add a small technicality. I learned through the Bug Banter podcast* that if you live near a monarch overwintering site it is actually not a good idea to plant milkweed. The butterflies should not be distracted from their rest by trying to propagate. Here is a map of overwintering sites: https://westernmonarchcount.org/map-of-overwintering-sites/ *https://www.xerces.org/bug-banter/potato-chips-leaves-or-butterflies-art-and-importance-of-counting-western-monarchs

Natasha Stroebl

So wonderful to see your garden Alie! Also I really appreciate the perspective on introduced plants and cultivars. I work in a native plant nursery in Minnesota and in my home garden I grow a lot of native plants. At the same time, there is also a lot of everything else, some plants that I want and some plants that were not invited.

Rosalee de la Foret

One of my favorite conversations so far! Thank you! And gratitude for asking my question! Gorgeous photos!

Mouse Paxton

I've never felt more seen than Leigh saying she also slows down hikes by IDing plants along the way. My parents eventually just kept walking each time I stopped to pull out my ID book and I'd have to jog to catch up lol

floraandthefaun

loved this episode! just a few days ago i stumbled upon a website with tips on how to help endangered native plants in germany - what a coincidence! they offer information on endangered species by region, tell you what conditions the plants need, if they are bee and/or butterfly friends, and even links for where to buy seeds (since they're not usually sold in common garden stores). i was so stoked when i found this! the researchers behind the project wanted to find out what folks with a lil outside space can do to help biodiversity and the conservation of endangered native plants, and so figured out which species on the red lists can be grown in gardens, on balconies or green roofs. i'm hoping to plant a few that are endangered in my region on my balcony come spring! :) 🌱🌱🌱 anyway, here's the link to the website for any other ologites in germany: https://conservation-gardening.shinyapps.io/app-de/

Kasey Carrick

Listening to this episode again to celebrate the start of spring 🌸🌻🌷🌼 Which in Michigan of course is still very crispy. BUT soon it will be my time to antihibernate, wherein i spend as much time as possible outside, and this year I want to plant things. https://miseedlibrary.org/ The state of Michigan has a seed library program which is overall just such a fascinating and lovely project, and I’m really geeked to utilize it now that I have a garden area!