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welllllll I didn't see that coming 😅 I went off on Chris in this episode so sorry about that. not really but you get me 🤣 he was so incredibly frustrating. not only was I not expecting the Rory and Logan stuff, I also wasn't expecting the lane and Zach stuff. like what do we mean 😅 I have thoughts.

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Yasemin

I get where Rory is coming from...yes they had had a fight, and yes they were not talking for a while, but it would have taken some sort of announcement regardless to clarify that they were, indeed, broken up. I also think that Logan really believed that they were broken up.

sandrinegeller

this is the classic rachel and ross "we were on a braak" thing. and i feel the same in both cases- they were on a break but it is up to her if she can accept/get over what he did during it. like he is not lying that he truly believed they were broken up because when he tried to get her back a few episodes ago she asked him if he meant it when he told his sister that they broke up and he said he did and he thought they were broken up. so i don't count it as cheating but i understand rory being hurt.

Yasemin

Regardless of the "were they broken up or not" question, I do feel that it would have hurt Rory regardless of who he slept with, just because they weren't apart for that long and then made up, and it does something to your intimacy if the other person goes off and sleeps with others, especially in such a short time frame and also given the dramatic way he fought to get back with her. (The fact that he slept with his sister's friends and trash-talked them before the wedding, and Rory then had to be in a room with them...intensified the pain, of course. Also not a great look for Logan that he trash-talked women he had sex with.)

Yasemin

Zach's proposal to Lane does come a bit out of left field indeed.

Luna

Someone please insert the Phoebe “MY EYES MY EYES” gif from Friends because Doyle kissing Rory’s neck was so disgusting 😭😭😭

Luna

LANE I’M SO SORRY FOR WHAT THEY’RE DOING TO YOU NOOO WHY IS EVERY PROBLEM TRYING TO BE SOLVED THROUGH A MARRIAGE PROPOSAL IN THIS TOWN 😭😭😭

Luna

Welp… the cat’s out of the bag 😭 The thing with Rory and Logan is just like the Ross and Rachel thing, imo, but it’s even more complicated here because it was an even bigger misunderstanding. Rory thought it was just a BREAK, not a breakup, while Logan thought it was an actual breakup. And Rory had to find out from Honor about how he saw all of it go down that night when Jess was there. Logan was already drinking way too much, so maybe that’s why it was harder for him to grasp. Still, it was a very shitty thing for him to do because it made him look like he didn’t care about Rory anymore and had reverted back to his old ways. I felt so bad for Rory here, though. She didn’t deserve that at all. She clearly felt betrayed somehow, which is why I do think she got cheated on… indirectly, at least. Either way, before they got back together or whatever (because it still looks fuzzy in my eyes), Logan should’ve told her about what he’d done. Rory deserved to know because she didn’t think he’d do any of that, and to her, they were still together. I do wish she found a way to reach out to him after she found out through his sister about it because she just went along with the breakup at the time for reasons I still don’t understand. I don’t hate Logan, but it does make me root less for him during this part of the show because yikes. It’s just not a good look on him 😬

brianhitzone37

Gill & Brian performance of Gwen Stefani, I need a full length version of that. Lol 🤣

Luna

Chris leaving his daughter with Lorelai, a grown woman with her own life and responsibilities, who’s also in a committed relationship, is just ugh. Don’t even get me started. Why does he keep doing this? No wonder Gigi’s awful BECAUSE LOOK AT HIM. HE’S THE ABSOLUTE WORST 😭😭😭

TheLoungingPotato

Thank you, Gigi, for reminding me that I would rather die than ever become a parent. Watching kids around Gigi's age throw tantrums, as they are prone to do, is all the evidence I need that I would not know how to handle being in charge of a child's upbringing and well-being

TheLoungingPotato

I agree that Logan didn't cheat on Rory. It should have been discussed at some point what had happened in that time, though. Although I understand why Logan wouldn't want to have that conversation, it was still a conversation that needed to be had I just also feel like Logan and Rory have two very different perspectives on what they were for that month and that I'm not really sure it's something they can see eye-to-eye on. I hope they can move past it, though, because I still stand by what I said about them together--it's the happiest and most mature relationship Rory has ever been in. I just hope they can work together to resolve things because I really do believe that they are great for each other

Nana

think you missed Rory's side cause you were speaking over her, but Rory is right on this. They did not say they were breaking up, they had an argument when Jess was there and he left. They didn't talk for some period and in no way that is called a breakup in my books cause the other person has to know of the breakup lol which Rory didn't. So for Logan to go off and sleep around after a fight is crazy to me. And then coming back and pretending nothing is wrong and showering her with those flowers and coffee cart etc and writing a letter to Lorelai is all because he knew what he did was wrong.

Ryann Rodkey

Oh no, I’m very aware of Rory’s point and feelings, I did hear her. I just don’t agree with her. If you don’t speak to your partner at all for at least a month, maybe longer, in no world are you still together. That is no longer ‘taking time’. If it had been a few days and he did this, I’d feel differently. You don’t not speak to someone after a fight for over a month and still proceed as if you’re in a relationship. Should Logan have slept with those girls? No, probably not. And he should’ve told Rory when they got back together. But he believed them to be broken up since they hadn’t spoken in a month. Rory could’ve also reached out to him to see if they were taking time or breaking up and she didn’t either. So it makes sense that after a month of no contact, you would proceed as single. At least I think so. In no universe would I go a month after a fight without speaking to my boyfriend and then get mad that he thought he was single. That’s insane.

Ryann Rodkey

Ehhh I would think so if it was within a few days or a week, but over a month of no speaking after a fight? At that point, you’re no longer together. I do understand her feelings being hurt. He should’ve told her when they got back together for sure!

Nana

well I could never recover from this lol. that would be the final end of that relationship it would be so insane to me even if he thought it was a breakup and went around sleeping with multiple women as if the relationship meant nothing, a month is not a long time to get over a relationship if you truly cared for that person. Breakup or not, what he did was wrong, he doesn't get off on a "technicality".

Nana

also a month they didn't have contact so it means he slept around WITHIN a month meaning possibly 1-2 weeks after the fight? crazy.

Ryann Rodkey

Yeah I agree it would’ve hurt her regardless which is understandable, she has feelings. but I don’t think that he’s wrong or bad for sleeping with someone when he was under the impression they were broken up. I don’t think he should’ve slept with his sisters friends though, very much no

Nana

AGREE!

Ryann Rodkey

Totally agree with everything here! Understandable that she would be hurt but it’s up to her if she can get past it or not bc he was under the impression they were not together. 🩶

Ryann Rodkey

Listen, I totally agree, I also would be hurt by this. I’m not saying what he did was right. I probably wouldn’t get back with someone after finding this out either. It’s up to the individual on if they can get over it or not. Sex means different things for different people and holds different weight for different people. Some would be able to get past it, some wouldn’t. I’m just saying if he believed them to be broken up, then he wasn’t proceeding as if he was cheating on her and I could see how one would think they were broken up in that situation. But I also do understand Rory being hurt. But saying he cheated on her, I feel, isn’t true.

Nana

i'm not hung up on the "cheating" part, more so about how he can go on to do all that slutty stuff and come back to Rory and say he loves her and wants her back lol.

Yasemin

Oh definitely, if they were broken up, they were free to do whatever, but it feels like a bit of a gray zone here, and it's also just so very soon after the so-called breakup :).

MarkusR

For me the problem is less about whether what Logan did was cheating and more about the fact that after such a short time of not being together with his first girlfriend, he sleeps with multiple people and then comes back to Rory telling her he loves her for the first time, making all these grand gestures. It's like the stereotypical rich husband coming home with diamonds for the wife because he cheated and Rory bought the whole thing because she was too naive. And the second he's been caught, he trash talks all the women he slept with who happen to be his sister's best friends.

MarkusR

I think that Lorelai was so immensely desperate to have any kind of contact with Luke's daughter that when the opportunity with Gigi presented itself, she was like "Well, might as well get closer to Gigi instead and at least have *something*." She was dying in that short conversation with Lane, I think she was insanely (and justifiably) jealous that Lane got to hang out and play games with her.

Ryann Rodkey

now this I totally agree with. gross behavior. I just disagree with the statement that he cheated on her. he shouldn't have done it if he still was interested in Rory, which he clearly was. and he should've told her about it when they started talking again, especially given who it was with. just a bad look. but for her to immediately say 'you cheated on me', I do disagree with at that point. I also don't like the way he talked about the women either!

Ryann Rodkey

omg I didn't even think about it like that but that makes total sense. idk how I didn't put that together that that is why she kind of threw herself into offering to watch Gigi!

Ryann Rodkey

I 100000% agree with you here. I think Rory would've been hurt regardless but if he had been open and honest with it upfront, they maybe would've had a better chance. but leaving her to find out about it like that? I wouldn't be able to get over it, even if I don't view it as cheating, my feelings would still be hurt for sure!

Ryann Rodkey

see this is kind of my point though. I totally understand she thought they were on a break and not a breakup. but the moment that honor called her and said something about them being broken up and she still didn't call? that solidified that they were broken up and therefore, further indicates that he didn't cheat imo. yeah it sucks, but if I was in her situation and found out he was telling people we were broken up, I'd be on that phone so fast. I mean I also wouldn't have gone that long without speaking either so I wouldn't be in this situation to begin with but I just don't think it's fair. communication goes both ways and she also didn't reach out to him either. when they got back together or were in the talks of getting back together, he absolutely should've told her at that point though and he gets negative points for that for sure!

Lindsey Metcalfe

Girl. When I tell you I am SAT for every single one of your remaining GG reactions.... (adding after writing the rest of this - sorry for the full fucking dissertation, apparently I had a lot to say about this episode) Anywho. Break v breakup drama aside, I feel like Rory and Logan's arc was actually the least interesting thing happening in this episode. Very bog standard and, frankly, overdone-in-fiction misunderstanding, imo. I interpret Luke's resistance to Lorelai and April meeting as him being at least partially in freeze-mode still after the shock of finding out about April. Like, once Lorelai starts getting to know her and April is in his whole life (instead of confined mostly to the diner, as their interactions have been thus far), it'll become actually real. That said, I totally get Lorelai being hurt and frustrated by the situation because obviously she wants to get to know her fiance's kid, and it's been multiple months at this point, which is beyond ridiculous. Luke has known Rory nearly Rory's whole life; it has to feel unfair to Lorelai even if she understands why and is trying to respect his wishes. Then the Lorelai and Chris of it all makes sense because even though Chris has never done anything but disappoint her, we tend to gravitate towards the familiar for comfort, even if the familiar is unpleasant and ends badly. So her leaning into helping him with GG as a reaction to being iced out of the Luke/April situation tracks, even if she knows it's probably going to end weirdly, at best. Aside from that whole cluster, we have Lane and Zack being young and dumb and rash because that's what young people do. I have no doubt that they love each other, but marriage is probably not going to fix their communication issues. But they have no way of knowing that because they're both in their very-early-20's and it's the first serious relationship either of them have been in, as far as we've seen. Finally, the Paris and Doyle stuff. Paris can't get out of her own way, and Doyle is trying to get through to her, but there's really no *right* way to do that so he keeps screwing it up, which has to be a helpless-feeling place to be in. TBH, Doyle is the person I feel the most sympathy for in all of these situations. He's the only one that seems to be genuinely trying his best and doing everything he reasonably can to salvage the situation he's in. Paris knows she does better with professional help (remember her life coach that was around for the first couple years at Yale? during the time she seemed actually happy and was actively working on getting over her self-sabotaging behaviors?) but has decided she's above it and refuses to admit she's struggling with anything. Lorelai could be more assertive of her needs and boundaries with Luke, Luke could be more understanding and flexible. Rory/Logan and Lane/Zack could just sit down and fucking talk about their feelings instead of deflecting. Chris could realize he's a fully grown nearly-40-year-old man and get the professional help he clearly needs instead of running to the high school sweetheart he refuses to let go of. And these are all things that have now been ongoing for multiple seasons. Some only a couple, but some have been recurring issues throughout literally the entire series. Like, all of their behavior and choices are understandable and realistic and great for dramedy TV, but it does sometimes make it hard to continue feeling bad for them when it's 6 and a half seasons later and Lorelai is *still* running to Chris when anything starts going remotely badly in her current romantic relationship.