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The Expanse 2x7 Uncut Reaction | 'The Seventh Man'

The Expanse 2x7 Uncut Reaction | 'The Seventh Man'

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The Expanse 2x7 Uncut Reaction

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Hans Engelen

And the plot thickens! The scars on Dawes neck are from early models of EVA suits. They would burn the wearer at the seals. The tattoos are a tribute belters (younger ones) have made to remember those times and a sign of belter solidarity.

Lindsay Mathieson

You are correct - S02E05 is where book one ends, so yes, its kinda a mid season finale. Additionally - Book 2 ends on S03E06 and you may want to do another dual episode drop (S3, Ep 5 & 6). Book 3 ends with the S3 finale. So yeah, the pace for S2 and S3 is pretty crazy. After that, the season endings match the books - S4, S5 and S6.

Golladan

I don't think it's necessary for season 3/book 2 end. It's not as big of a cliffhanger.

Brandon

Mid-season episodes for The Expanse do go crazy

Golladan

Setara = Star

Golladan

Subtitles in the episode are a bit off. Dawes does say Hat, not Heart. Earlier Chrisjen says Eros but the subtitles said Earth. When Dawes says he needs a ship like the Roci defending the docks on Ceres, the subtitles say dogs instead of docks.

Lindsay Mathieson

I thought it was "sister" Edit: Looked up the wiki, yes you're right, "Star"

Golladan

Sister is sesata. Setara is used like a term of endearment but it does mean star. In season 1, in the Anderson Station flashback, the guy calls his daughter "setara mali" "little star".

Golladan

I am in favor of watching season 5 episodes 3 and 4 together, but that's mostly because I love Gaugamela.

PNWKyle

Holden is a long way from hauling ice on the Canterbury now! He didn't even want to be Exec, and now he's at the middle of deciding the fate of Earth, Mars and Belt. fyi Draper's superiors keep calling her 'Gunny' because she's a Marine Gunnery Sergeant, old term.

Sheri

A few name clarifications: Gunnery Sergeant ("Gunny") Roberta ("Bobbie") Draper - She is most often called Gunny or Bobbie. And Fred's right hand woman's name is Camina Drummer.

Amber A

Yeah, they established late S1 that Mao's group blew up the Cant to raise tensions between the UN and Mars due to water rationing and predicted unrest at Ceres, and the resulting unrest belt-wide. This paranoia would get the UN focused on Mars, and Mars focused on the UN. If any focus on the belt would happen, it'd be on Ceres, not Eros, where they would be running their second wide-scale test.

Amber A

Dawes is more or less the Belt equivalent of Avasarala, though with a more grounded perspective given his lived history. He's the kind of person willing to be ruthless when necessary to advance the interests of the Belt, and he doesn't entertain idealism or naivete, which is why he focused hard on Naomi during his visit to the Roci, he knows Holden's an idealist and unwilling to bend his personal principles to serve a greater goal, whereas Naomi is less of an open book in comparison. His hunt for Fred's "Secret weapon" calls back to that group conversation from earlier in the episode, where he indirectly warned Fred that "Earthers cannot look upon a thing but wonder who it belongs to", whereas with belters, he states "the more you share, the more your bowl will be plentiful". The belt just saw a whole station of their people wiped out because they were considered disposable. Ganymede, which is effectively the bread basket of the belt, and the main center for reproductive health in the belt, was devastated by the UN/Mars conflict, one in a long line of belter homes where the inner planets have fought their proxy wars/battles. Some new technology drove Eros into Venus. They're scared and looking for answers. It's Fred's instinct to withhold that information. Dawes (and arguably most belters) clearly believe it should be shared. Folks can argue which is the better path to take, but at the end of the day, the belters are the ones suffering, the belters are the ones made vulnerable, they have no leverage and no way to defend themselves against the whims of the inners who are throwing their weight around while belters are effectively blindfolded. Dawes has the pull to try to do something, and he's not about to sit on his hands and do nothing when he could try to shine a light on their collective situation.

Lyn Hurst

Bobbie is a Gunny Sargeant, that is why the man interrogating her kept calling her gunny. A purple heart is given to people wounded in battle. My great grandfather was shot in battle in France in World War I and received one. Another clarification, they were on Ganymede when they were attacked. Ganymede is a moon of Jupiter. They were nowhere near Venus. I definitely agree with you guys S&P, Naomi keeping the protomolecule and not telling anyone on their crew,especially Holden was a mistake. I am loving Dawes. Very compelling character.

Freja Corbinne

The subtitle is wrong, Dawes does say "just missing the hat" He's talking about Miller, but Holden doesn't get the reference because Miller left the hat behind before they met.

Paul

Yup exactly! Nice little detail that Holden doesn't have a clue what Dawes is referencing. He's thinking, wait what, you don't like my hair? 😮

Paul

I literally said the same exact thing verbatim in this episode years and years ago on my first viewer, "I freaking love space battles!" Ha. And of course you've seen NOTHING yet. I feel like exploding knowing what's to come.

Tony Camas

The captions in this episode are awful, absolutely awful. Over and over again, they got things wrong. And it's a shame, because this episode has some of the best written scenes of political intrigue in the series. Basically, guys, just pay attention to what you heard. Don't worry so much about what it says on the screen. That stuff is often right and helpful, but not always, and in this episode, definitely not.

AnastasiyaK

This episode is basically just Dawes making rounds and gathering info, and he is such an intriguing and interesting character that the episode is engaging the whole way through. And I love how it furthers the plot of the whole show as well. And of course Bobby’s storyline too. My heart aches for her every time I see her having to relive the pain of what she went through on Ganymede. Spartan, it makes me laugh whenever you say you love space battles cause this is literally nothing compared to what’s coming! Oh and I also cannot wait until you get to see Amos’s backstory!

Paul

Right! Must be AI generated. Not up to scruff. Wouldn't cost much to hire a human to correct errors...

Jua

Wow, excellent summary without including spoilers! See folks, it can be done!

wp3

It's actually Gunnery Sergeant which is a rank. And the nickname is Gunny.

wp3

Yes, this was a great pickup by them. I was hesitant to mention it because I think there might be a mention of what it means later. Not a big reveal in the scheme of things tho.

Hans Engelen

Nah Dawes already explained that in a previous episode in season one (I think in the scene where Dawes is talking to Miller after he was grabbed by Dawes's people). But it was a brief offhand reference that is easily missed. He also briefly notes them on Naomi's neck when he meets her if memory serves. So no reveal really.

Beat Conductor

Pudgey is right about the use of "Inners". Belters use that as a racist pejorative in regards to people from Earth and Mars. You'll notice that Holden, Amos, Alex, and Fred don't go around calling Belters "Skinnies". Belters are openly racist and that racism guides a lot of their actions.

Lyn Hurst

Yes, I have a friend who was one in the marines. Thanks for mentioning Gunnery. I was trying not to flood S&P with too many more things to remember.

Lyn Hurst

My caption said hat from the English not English cc.

Trepanation21

Hard disagree here. There's no racism involved, because belter beliefs aren't isolating anything about anyones DNA or skin color or "ethnic features", etc, whatsoever. The tension is often *classist*, but racist? Nah. These are nations with an entirely different history of peoples, and their problems and conflicts are distinctly system-relevant (literally *about* the context of their environments and politics across MASSIVE distances from each other - literally planets apart). Classism and tribalism are prevalent. Nobody of any importance from any faction makes any notable conflict about anybody's DNA, skin color, etc. Except when people say "skinnies". That probably qualifies as racist, because it's actually *about* the physiology of the Belters, and *about* whether it makes them superior or inferior. I assert that humanity at the stage of The Expanse would require an alternate definition for "racism" if we're going to include the ethnic melting pots of Earth, Mars, and The Belt as "racist" against the other over the socio-political tensions as described in the show & books. Because I don't qualify them as equal to the "racism" and its history as *we* know racism. So, I strongly disagree about that take. I understand why people may qualify it at first pass, but I don't think our definition of that is adequate for what they're all experiencing because humanity as *we* know it literally has never had to grapple with the scale, distance, and issues of mankind that they are in The Expanse. There's entirely different implications and nuance to their context. Our "racism" isn't it. Classism, tribalism are more useful terms to characterize their conflicts. And helpfully, they're already overtly wielded in the writing and framing of the stories.

Trepanation21

Dawes also gestures as much. Tilt of the head, motion of the hand. Hat. I appreciate that Holden doesn't understand it.

Trepanation21

On the subject of Dawes, IMO, nobody (actor-wise) wields the Belter language and slang better than Jared Harris. Many were good, some were great, most are bad-to-passable. Jared Harris was stellar. He made it feel truly natural and immersive.

Freja Corbinne

Beat Conductor you're forgetting that the inners have been oppressing the Belters for generations. "Inner" isn't a slur and Belters have legitimate grievances. You somehow watched this show and took all the wrong lessons from it

Lyn Hurst

The US Marines still use the term Gunnery Sargeant.

Lyn Hurst

Yes I remember that

TimTakDoh

Exactly Freja, when one set of people are oppressed and the other set aren't this isn't a tit for tat situation. Trepanation also explains it well

Beat Conductor

Nah, you guys are blind. Racism is racism.

Beat Conductor

How about xenophobia, does that work better for you? Also, lets not forget what the belters do next episode to people they consider "inners". Any word can be a slur. Intent is what matters. Belters use it to dehumanize people from earth and mars. Therefore its a slur the way they use it.

Tork Penderloin

The scar on the neck of Dawes is from the old helmets that belters used in the earlier years. They would cause burns from being poor quality. The tattoos that the belters get are in memorium to those that came before them.

Tork Penderloin

From my understanding, Holden was on his way to kill Cortazar. Similar to why Miller killed Dresden. After his conversation with Dawes, Fred mentioning that Cortazar found a potential other sample, and seeing how the belters were so eager to use the missiles, he couldn’t let them get their hands on the protomolecule.

Beat Conductor

Also, your definition of racism is wrong. From oxford. Racism - prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group

Trepanation21

Now give me the definition from Oxford starting in the year 2250 so we have a better idea of how these ideas have evolved in parallel with mankind's generational (and privatized) expansion through the system. By and large, the community of The Expanse (as novels and a show) seem to reject "racism" as we know it to be particularly applicable to the tensions between all these people. Colonialism, imperialism, classism, tribalism, planetism? All simultaneously relevant, and likely more useful terms, basically wielded clearly and overtly by the creators and the characters. "Racism" isn't adequate, and too colored (pun not intended?) by *our* history to adequately address what everyone is experiencing and perpetrating. Each civilization is clearly multi-ethnic, and none of them seem to care or conflict about someone being too /insert ethnic feature here/. They are in conflict about privatization, lawlessness, terrorism, authoritarian governments, living and working conditions, so on and so forth. Like I said before, if anything, "racism" is more clearly perpetrated on the Belters for their physiology, perceived as being weaker and [systemically] prone to ideological radicalization... *By* the nations of the inner planets. "Inners" is not analogous to "skinnies", and if someone thinks it is, they may have a... particularly topical sort of bias. That said, this isn't an uncommon sentiment (yours) over the years in this community. It never seems to gain much traction, and most of the audience (novels, show) seem to reject it in favor of more adequate nuances in the writing/production and character behaviors. This is my take, and you can feel however you want. There's plenty of discussion already out there among the community to pour over and see where you ultimately land.

Freja Corbinne

"nah you guys are blind" lol buddy I've experienced a tremendous amount of discrimination. you have not. don't turn this into a pissing match about who knows more about bigotry and oppression because I promise you I'll win. "Any word can be a slur. Intent is what matters." No. Slurs are words that have histories of usage by people against marginalized groups at the same time as committing violence against them. The N word isn't just a slur because it's an insult to black people, it is because for centuries that's been the epithet hurled at the victims of lynchings, sexual assaults, murders, and other extreme violence.