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The Expanse 5x2 Uncut Reaction (Patreon)

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The Expanse 5x2 Uncut Reaction

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Hans Engelen

[Comment = Obvious] Yep things are going off the deep end again. ps. we saw her grandson in pretty much the first episode ... The daughter was his mother.

Golladan

Changes in the opening this episode: -On the clip of Mars, an object is seen moving past the planet on the top left. -On the zoomed in section of Mars, the Razorback has landed. Also the convoy moving towards it has been removed. -On the clip of Tycho Station, the Lazy Songbird, the Chetzemoka, and the object that was moving past on the top left have all been removed.

Golladan

"I'm not here to take anything that belongs to you" says Amos, right before taking Erich's booze.

Gail Ferguson

I think having Amos' backstory expanded would be a delicate and even more depressing situation-- he was forced to be a child prostitute then when he was too 'old' for the men to want, they used him for violence. We learn that he had Erich and Lydia, that's it. That was the only family he had until Naomi and the Roci crew. It is why he understood how to talk to pedophiles and used that with the protomolecule scientist. Timothy took Amos Burton's name because leaving Earth is tightly controlled and having the money to leave would be easily explained with a credit check. I think it is symbolic for Timothy to become someone else because he would love to leave 'the churn' behind. As a child sexual abuse survivor, I can absolutely attest that many of us want to be someone else as we grow up and leave it all behind. Amos, Chrisjen, Bobbie and Drummer are my favorite characters in the show. They're powerful people and I didn't have that growing up, so I tend to trend towards those types of characters. I became impactful in my own way -- I'm a therapist for homeless teens at a non-profit. Amos' story is often on my mind when I work with these fantastic kids.

Golladan

Amos was used as a child prostitute, until he got too old for the "Johns". At which point he was used as hired muscle. A "John" is a slang term for the client of sex workers.

Mo

The Churn is also a short story based on Amos and will explain things about his & Erichs relationship and his and Lydia’s relationship in detail for you. So check it out when you start reading the books Spartan!

Shawn Anomaly

As others explained, Amos was a child prostitute so I'm not sure that would've been all that great to see live action wise. This ties to his statement to Wei in S4 when he said, "that's when THEY would come" The best thing would be "The Churn" short story!

Freja Corbinne

it's like taking a magazine from the doctor's office really

Varun Laks

As others have mentioned, we have gotten snippets of information through the show that already painted the picture that Amos grew up a child prostitute. From Amos warning the male prostitute on Tycho about a customer having a knife on him, to his conversation with Prax about pimps on Earth using young women and even their even young children as prostitutes, to him telling Alex that he has not felt fear since he was 5 years old, and to his conversation with Wei about living in a pitch black basement until he was 5 years old where all he could do was wait until the "clients" came in. This episode basically just ties that all together. Similarly to what you mentioned in the last episode about how in the books you don't know about Naomi's past until book 5 unlike in the show where they sprinkle her backstory through the seasons, with Amos we don't get those snippets in the books like we did in the show. You only find that all out in one of the short stories. Ty Franck, one of the authors, has often spoke about how he hates dramatizing backstory that the audience can already put together. Ty is one of the writers of the show and basically the main "Amos Writer." I think this episode was structured the way it was specifically, because that's the type of storytelling Ty likes. As good of a story as The Churn is, a lot of what makes it work is that in the books we never really knew what made Amos tick. While in the show, we have gotten more information about that. So adapting it on screen would have been a little redundant. Instead, with this episode we see how those moments of his past still affect him today and I think that works better for the show. It's some of Wes Chatham's best work in the series.

Sheri

For Spartan... "The Churn" is a novella in James S. A. Corey's The Expanse series which explores the criminal underworld of Baltimore and the early life of the character Amos Burton. I suggest you include it when you read the books.

Freja Corbinne

I relate a lot to Amos not wanting to return to where he grew up, and only doing so to settle affairs. I actually grew up about 40 miles west of Baltimore in rural Frederick county Maryland. I had a very different childhood with very different traumas, but the pain still manifests similarly. I don't talk to my family anymore. And I will never return to Maryland unless I have to.

Tony Camas

They've actually been giving you bits of Amos' backstory in dribs and drabs over the course of the series. The clues were all there, but they've done a good job of spreading it all out so that it only gradually becomes a cohesive story. Some of the things we've learned: * When Amos was speaking to Kenzo in the airlock in Season 1, he spoke of a "boss" he once had who told him about "the Churn," the periodic chaotic restructuring of the "jungle" of life that was to be taken in stride, because whether the little people (like Amos) survive or not doesn't really matter. So Amos grew up with a pretty fatalistic view of life. He's always been more practical than principled. He'd *like* to be more principled, but he's still learning how that works. * In Season 2, Amos recognizes something in Cortázar that reminds him of pedophiles, a subject he seems to have a more than passing familiarity with. * Later in Season 2, when that kid yells at Amos for hurting the kid's mother, Amos is deeply affected, later admitting to Cortázar that this reminded him of when "he was that kid" and someone hurt *his* mother. He further reveals that he "lost" his mother long ago and that someone named Lydia took him in. Later, we see Amos looking up a Lydia Maalouf in the City of Baltimore in some database. * By the second half of Season 2, it has become apparent that Amos has a special concern for children, particularly children at risk, something he reveals in several interactions with Prax. When defending himself to Prax for violently threatening Roma (the canned chicken guy) he talks about how where he grew up, there were "bullies" who forced women into prostitution, including through their pregnancies, and that they "used" the kids born of those pregnancies too. * Early in Season 3, Amos tells Prax that he killed a number of people in Baltimore, and that for many of them, he was actually "doing them a favor" because "dying is the only way" to get out of Baltimore. "How did you get out?" Prax asks. "I died," Amos replies. * Later in Season 3, Monica is trying to engage Amos in an interview, and she says that she couldn't find much history about Amos in Earth records, but that some local people spoke of someone named Amos Burton who was a mob boss. Monica pointed out that that couldn't have been OUR Amos, though, because he left the city at a fairly young age. So she asks Amos if that person was a relative or something. Amos says no, maybe it's just a common name. Monica seems skeptical (and so do we). * In Season 4, when his vision has been blocked by the green eye parasites, he tells Wei about how when he was growing up, he lived in a dark basement, and that in the pitch black, "they" would come in, and that in those moments, he felt like he was dead. * And finally, in this episode, a lot is revealed in his conversations with Charles (who notes that Amos was "born into that world," and that, in that world he was born into, he did whatever it was that his mother did until he got old enough that the "Johns didn't want him," at which point "they" started him "working muscle") and then Erich (who describes the "deal" that changed their lives - Timothy was tasked by the "OG" Amos Burton to kill Erich, but instead killed Burton as a favor to Erich, leaving Erich with the empire and Timmy with the name of Amos). So the gist was, as you more or less gathered, Timothy's death was faked in government records; meanwhile Erich set up Timothy with fake papers identifying him as Amos Burton (the now deceased mobster) and got him off the planet; meanwhile, Erich stayed and took over original Amos' criminal enterprises, which he is still running to this day. There's more to the story, a few more details which you'll continue to learn, but this episode gave you most of it, by tying together all of this past information with a little bit of new stuff. When you read the books, Spartan, make sure you read the novella "The Churn," part of The Expanse canon but not one of the main books. It is the full story of Timothy, Erich, and Lydia's lives in Baltimore and how all this stuff went down. Most people consider it among the best of the short stories/novellas that were published in between the releases of the main books. EDIT: Obviously, others also provided some of this info while I wrote this, so apologies for the duplication, but I'll leave it here for the detail, which hopefully will help.

Joel Quinn

Identities hold value on earth, I guess. I'm not a book reader, so I might be talking out of my a** here, but I always thought the old mob boss Amos Burton, whom Timothy killed, was just his ticket out of this world. Probably someone who had the freedom to go, to the stars, and start new. Timothy was a nobody, and with what little we know of his past, I think maybe he did not even truly exist in the system, and by that, he was not able to go anywhere but the streets of Baltimore. So he protected Eric and killed the old Amos Burton, and together they could take over. Eric becomes the mob boss, and Timothy takes his name to get off the planet to escape that life. This way, nobody even died - on paper. No crime and new opportunities ahead. Amos staying would have made this impossible as well; maybe there would have been backlash. This way only Eric and Amos knew that the real Amos died. All I'm saying, with the little we heard so far, that made sense for me. But again, no book reader nor anything here - just what I think happened.

Joel Quinn

True, a couple of scenes in S1, but usually not scenes that give the iconic Avasarala vibe. I can see how one can forget those. I only remember the roof scene and the water one. The grandson was in more, though, I think. With how much is happening in the Expanse through all the seasons, that is something I can see someone forgetting about.

Gail Ferguson

I appreciate all the time you spent putting that together for them!

Tony Camas

@Gail Ferguson Thanks. I appreciate *your* time and insight, and the important work you do with homeless teens, especially given the trauma in your own past.

Paul

Great episode and reaction! My favorite moment actually was just the funny, very fast bit about Holden seeing and pushing a button, and Fred going, that's really how you go through life! LOL. An exaggeration of course, but enough truth that I find it hilarious every time I see it (and Holden's always my favorite don't worry).

Mo

spot on

Etta Eskridge

In between the novels are the novellas. The novella The Churn gives you that back story that you are seeking. Even if you didn't read the books right away, you know enough about Amos/Timothy to read The Churn and get that information you seek. Clearly Amos was trafficked as a small boy. Pretty horrible. You were introduced to Timothy's friend Erich played by Jacob Mundell who was so thrilled to be on the show! And the little actor Cole Pollack who plays Timothy, he is adorable and very well chosen. I think if and when you rewatch some of this show, you will pick up on the references to Amos' childhood a little more.

Hans Engelen

So true, I didn't mention the roof scene. And the sad part is ... it's a scene that's about to take on a whole other level of relevance.

spartanandpudgey

wow thanks for sharing! very insightful. and sounds like you're doing amazing work now to help make a difference 🙏🏼❤️

PongPong31

There's also that scene from S3 when Amos is teaching Chrisjen how to walk with mag boots on. "There you go, now you just walk around like you're in pumps" "How do you know what it's like to walk in pumps?" "I didn't always work in space"

Golladan

She does hate shooting stars.

Jonathan

lmao so far just spartan dismissing "murder the inners" as "standard belter stuff" brilliant do you understand Amos was a forced child prostitute when he says that with the old guy? once they stopped repeatedly raping him as a child because he unfortunately started looking like a man they made him fight. i doubt any person should like a child pudgey.

Matthew Langley

"Who could not want Amos"... yeah you REALLY missed what that sentence meant.

David Seeholzer

The Churn is a heavy and brilliant episode. I feel it tells us everything we really need to know about Amos' childhood and the place where he grew up. It is heartbreaking not only because of what he went through but to imagine that is the way of life for the people in that place and time.

Jonathan

well i've watched you sweet summer children not understand harsh realities before so i thought the clarification was acceptable :P the scenes you've had are to infer both him and his mother are probably autistic psychopaths, they can fake being a good mom and a good son, and then perhaps thats good enough.

Beat Conductor

The Amos backstory doesn't bring you to tears until the second time you watch, knowing all the pieces that have been sprinkled through all the seasons. Especially the scene where he goes blind in S4 and swings on Holden. That shit hits deep knowing why he is so scared of the dark.

Chris07

Yeah, The Churn novella is pretty cool because it really gives you a lot of insight into Amos' childhood, and what he really means by the phrase "The Churn". I read it during my first time watching season 5. Worth a read.

erasure25

Also in early Season 1, Amos and Alex are in a club of sorts. A male prostitute asks if Amos is interested. Amos declines but tells the prostitute that the guy he was talking with earlier has a knife in his pocket and to basically watch out. Amos then tells Alex "he grew up in places like this".

Jonathan

comments like this are great because its a discussion without ridiculous spoilers. this episode can infer this logic and its so cool its never really said perse

Jonathan

king. what a list and no spoliers!

Robert

Love you guys but I think this was the first time I've seen you both miss the core reveal of an episode. There are hints leading up to this point that Amos's upbringing was incredibly rough (way more than just being muscle in a gang environment) and this episode spells it out. I don't think they can really show any more than they did without it being unsuitable content for TV.

Tony Leadholm

Have faith in the writers. If you're feeling a bit of a void, it's probably due to one of two scenarios. 1. The writers don't want you to know just yet - for any number of reasons. or 2. You may have missed something important. Either way, trust us when we advise you to trust in their storytelling. 😉☺️ 🥰

Freja Corbinne

"Autistic psychopaths?" neither of these characters ever shows signs of being psychotic. Amos's mother isn't implied to be autistic, she's just implied to be someone who struggles with being a good person, likely due to circumstances and trauma. Amos struggles with that as well, but the show has demonstrated by now that he's highly empathetic to children and other people he considers innocent or noble. There's some stuff he does that suggests he might be autistic, but autism isn't correlated with empathy.

Matthew Langley

This episode really hits harder normally, you guys missed some key but small bits that set up the context for it to be far more emotional. Previously we only ever saw Amos afraid of the dark, when he went blind on the planet. He said when he was young he would wake up and it would be dark and then said something along the lines of "and that's when they came in". Then in this episode when he talked to Charles he said he knew Amos was born into this life and then when he got too old for the "John's" to want him he went to muscle. I don't mean to be insulting, you clearly just didn't quite process those points, but it's clear he was essentially whored out sexually as a child until he was older then moved to muscle. This is also why on Ganymede station when they were looking for Prax's daughter and they ran into the guy taking chicken to find their children he told Prax about people like him. That when the girls they would whore out got pregnant they would still use them, then when the children were born, they used them too. He was one of those children. When you realize all those moments leading up to Charles confirming it about the John's (which is a term referring to the client of a sex worker) no longer wanting him this whole episode hits far more different and far more emotionally, always bringing me to tears. I'd HIGHLY recommend rewatching it with that context and it WILL hit different.

ElijahKovortu

Spartan I'm gonna need you to start trusting Pudgey more. So often she's correct in something and you always doubt her.