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Game of Thrones 5x6 Reaction & Review (Patreon)

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Game of Thrones Reaction & Review S5 E6 'Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken'

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Introduction: 0:00 - 10:00
Love/Like/Hate List: 10:01
Reaction: 14:31 - 44:38
Discussion/Review:  44:39 - 54:01

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SuddenImpulse

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Tml826

It’s wild because you assume pudgey is more empathetic but empathy also comes with understanding so when Arya was having to explain herself spartan was like oh no why and feeling empathy and sorrow for Arya and pudgey understood why it was happening and that it would finish with a solution.

Tml826

It’s hilarious that people who are overtly empathetic.. feel sorry in moments where normal people don’t lol but they get it later.

Katie Thomas

The scene with Sansa, Theon and Ramsay sparked tons of fan outrage and led to calls for a boycott of the show. It doesn't get any easier to watch, even after all these years.

kelly
>>105517072

By far one of my least favorite scenes in the series up to this point and as a whole. Wholly unnecessary. And if SA was something they absolutely HAD to do (they didn't) for Sansa's arc, there are other ways to let the audience know. For personal reasons especially, that scene is difficult for me. And it sucks because overall it's not a bad episode. Just really gets old watching Sansa and Theon both just suffer endlessly 😢

SuddenImpulse
>>105517072

@Katie Which is interesting considering this is actually not as bad as the book chapter for this event, but I'll not go into details.

kelly
>>105517072

Right. Which is frightening if you think about it. It's wild how graphic people say the show is and it's like honey....if you read the books, you ain't seen nothing yet lol

MeanAngel
>>105517072

I do agree that it is horrible to watch but sadly it does reflect the negative aspects of our reality. Especially in Got realm (or in the middle ages) where SA was / is normalised.

Amber Mary

My question is who is worse? Joffrey vs. Ramsey. Who do you have more hatred for?? It’s a hard one, but I’d have to say Ramsey.

HDN

Cersei's ''grey area'' doesn't appear with the typical ''good deeds vs bad deeds'' comparison. It's more about the way she thinks and works. She was the first person to make you understand what's going on: This is the game of thrones, you play and you either win or die. We all know who pushed this whole reasoning into her head, it was Tywin. She was the only daughter and yet the only child whose personality was build upon his way of thinking (not that she's anywhere near his level of cleverness). And people usually see the bright side of being in the ''elite'', while it can be more of an unbearable burden that's fallen on her shoulders since the day she was sold to Robert, and yet she can't free herself from it cause all she knows is that there are no rules when it comes to winning the game, otherwise you die. She's basically Tywin's ''finest product'' and his biggest victim. That's just an opinion. That said, your hatred towards her doesn't annoy me at all, in fact i like the devotion lmao

Tayyib Majumder

I and pretty much all hate the direction the story went for sansa just when you think she is comfortable and safe they fuck with her again. It’s honestly horrible to watch and totally unnecessary

MeanAngel
>>105516652

What the hell is wrong with you? The fact that you're making a joke / light situation out of a SA scene says alot about you.

Nick Wright

That last scene is still hard to watch.

James K
>>105517072

I think part of the reason people really disliked this scene was because Sansa was finally taking control of her situation after seasons of being used by other people, and then this happens which feels like a regression for the character. But I guess this is the nature of marriage in this world, and Sansa knew this when she decided to marry Ramsay, but she wouldn't have expected Ramsay to be such a monster. Really hard to watch.

Mzuka
>>105517072

Yeah this scene definitely felt unnecessary for Sansa given all she's went through, especially because this plotline belonged to another character in the book. I've never watched it again, still hate it 😭

SuddenImpulse
>>105517072

Yeah I don't really think its a character regression. She was never really safe in that situation. It was illusory at best. Its a reality of the messed up world they live in, especially for women.

AG

Even by GoT standards, that was such a rough ending of an episode :( Also, not sure if you caught this after but when Arya was playing the game/training with Jakka Hakka, she was telling truth mixed with lies. Every time she lied was when he would smack her with the stick because he could sense the lie. That’s why she was getting so mad when he kept hitting her when she was saying she hated The Hound and wanted him to die.

BloodyBen

I've seen that apparently during Ramsey's wedding, Theon was wearing the clothes that Rob was killed in during the red wedding, which would have been done by Ramsey purposefully

Phillip

This episode to me is one of the worst in the whole season, Because of what happens to Sansa.

HDN
>>105517072

@James Even with all of what she has learnt throughout the years, she still kind of trusted Littlefinger and was again another piece on his chessboard. She isn't as much in control as she thinks she is. So you can't really see it as a character regression.

Christopher

I think through these first 46 episodes, this one is my least favorite, this one is a slog to get through imo

I❤️movies&tvshows

The face Arya stared at so long looked like her mother’s, Catelyn. But I don’t think it could be. Was it just someone who resembled her mother, possibly?

Chris C

The Sansa scene makes me sick, but it allows us to also feel for Theon during the scene (What a great actor by the way). I can't remember but I hope there was some sort of "sexual violence trigger" warning for this episode though :/ With Game of Thrones I never think about the author making characters do anything unnecessary, or trying to shock the reader, or the audience. I love this story and its world so much that for me, he is barely a maester telling us exactly what happened. And sadely, in troubled times good guys can die, helpless maiden can get hurt, and some evil people manage to seamingly dodge all the bullets. You just have to accept that it is just how the story went.

SuddenImpulse
>>105522029

Interesting. I thought it pretty excellent. The political back and forth with Cersei and Olenna, with Littlefinger and Cersei. The House of Black and White reveal, the game of faces, the coreography for the water garden fight wasn't very good admittedly. The tense elements of the hearing, the humorous dialogue with Tyrion, Bronn, Jorah, Olenna. The horror of the end of the episode I could've done without obviously but thats part and parcel with GoT. Not knocking your opinion though, I can certainly understand this being low on peoples list, especially with so much top notch competition within the show.

SuddenImpulse
>>105522768

Yeah it wasn't her. It was an old, motherly face, so I am sure what you said was part of it, and they also just needed a face to focus on, and show her intrigue by touching it etc.

SuddenImpulse
>>105523063

I think this was before trigger warnings were really a thing, or around the time they were just becoming a thing. Not to come off as insensitive to be clear, but anyone that has violence or sexual violence triggers, this is not a good show to be watching and that's made clear quite a few season back so hopefully most people knew such potentialities while watching at this point.

Gummybear

I feel so bad for tommen. He was JUST crowned king and is so young and inexperienced and has no one left to guide him since tywin is dead and Tyrion and Varys left. His only advisors are cerci and Margery and now cerci has taken her from him too and singlehandedly created all this strife for Tommen.

Jenny Tolls
>>105523063

The book version is even worse. Spoiler alert incase anyone wants to read the book: In the book, Ramsay marries who he thinks is Arya but is actually someone else pretending to be Arya. Let's just say that he uses the dogs on her and its not to kill. It's scary to think that sick people like this actually exist.

Daryl

You both are far more aware of everything than I was. Really enjoyable watching. 👍

Jared

Love how Cersei tried to be like Tywin by making Olenna wait on her to write her letter. Then Olenna shuts it down and goes on about how Tywin commanded respect and wasn't a fool. Also calls back to Tywin telling Cersei she's not as smart as she thinks she is after making her wait on him to write his letter.

James McDowell

I think you guys have missed the whole point of cersies character. You’re literally pulling for the family that wants to take her last son from her, replace her family in the realm and who also KILLED her other son. Knowing the prophecy, and the fact that she is 100% on her own now that her dad is gone…..how can you not support her at least over the tyrells? She’s playing the game of thrones and she’s outsmarted everyone in her path so far. Why does her smugness, arrogance and pomposity allow you to miss her intentions. She’s holding onto what she has in this world. Just like her father would have. The Tyrells are not here to be friends with everyone. They want to replace her and her family. And you choose them? SMH!!

Mzuka
>>105528223

The smart way to play the game would have been to leverage her relationship with the Tyrells because she needs them to survive. The Lannisters have many enemies. If she was smart, she wouldn't have confronted the Tyrells directly, isntead she would have been kind and friendly to Margaery (as Margaery tried to be to her) and tried to win her over. Meanwhile, she could have gotten colser to Tommen. Started treating him like a man and continuing the lessons Tywin had begun to instil him. Doing this could subtlely reinforce his mother as his closest confidante, without undermining his relationship with his wife or jeopardising the alliance that is holding the Lannister regime in place. The point of the prophecy is that it is self-fulfilling; it has shaped Cersei's character and it informs her decisions, and as result she is her own worst enemy. Margaery is not her preordained rival - the prophecy could refer to Dany or Sansa or any number of younger women throughout her life. It's because Cersei is afraid that it refers to Margaery that she sets herself up in opposition to her and enters conflict with the Tyrells. Everything that happens is the consequence of that foolish decision, and the only person she manages to outsmart is herself. Yes, the Tyrells killed Joffrey. Absolutely heroic. His character was Cersei's fault for indulging and encouraging his cruelty. Olenna orchestrated his death and, fool that she is, Cersei played right into her hands and accused Tyrion. Who exactly has she outsmarted? I do really enjoy Cersei as a villain, she's charismatic and entertaining and it's a joy to watch her self-destruct. Even her apparent victories so far have an air stupidity. As Spartan pointed out, she's armed and empowered the Faith to arrest royals on the grounds of sins in a city in which she is the most gossiped-about sinner. As Tywin said, she thinks she's smarter than she is.Tywin understood the need to work with your enemies, that's why he arranged the entire alliance in the first place. The fact that she manages to tank it in 6 episodes after his death shows just how unworthy she is to be his heir.

Katie Thomas
>>105517072

I didn’t mention the books for a reason (see post rules), which is part of why I agree it was wholly unnecessary for this to happen to Sansa. That was part of the outrage at the time - the character this happened to. This scene did cause a lot of discussion, and I suppose still does on how this show (though, very true of middle age society) glorifies in a sense, sexual violence against women. It’s a hard scene to watch whether you agree with that or not because it’s hard to watch someone we’ve grown to care for go through that - especially when she’s finally back in her home after all she’s gone through elsewhere. I don’t view that as character regression, I just view it as tragic.

JohnnyTitan

the outfit Theon is wearing at the wedding is Robbs outfit that he died in at the Red Wedding

James McDowell
>>105528223

Incorrect….1.- the Tyrells sense weakness and are currently praying on what remains of the lannisters. Which is why your first 2 points don’t make sense. Second she is not as smart as she thinks she is. Yet she’s playing the game the best she can basically alone. And the only thing she really wants is to beat the prophecy and save her children. She plays the cards she has to do this. She’s playing chess big picture. You’re seeing it as checkers. The moves she has to make on her own to preserve her family’s position is just as impressive and honorable as anyone else doing the same in this world. Conspiring with Lil finger to kill Joff regardless of what you think of him, is far worse than anything cersie has done at this point. You root against her and see her as evil, and root for her enemies that killed her child, and are taking another from her. Are you watching the same show I am?

JohnnyTitan
>>105532494

it wasnt my discovery, i did come across it awhile back, it can be googled and there are screenshots he has a slightly different cape

Farbod

Had to join your Patreon to watch the full version of these. I enjoy you guys so much.

Dani

One of my favorite episodes of this season. Cannot wait for the remaining episodes.

Julien
>>105518935

It's not. The whole reason this scene sucks is that it's Sansa.

Julien
>>105528223

Yes, they chose the Tyrells because Cersei is awful. And framing things as them "missing the whole point of Cersei" is quite arrogant. The whole point according to who? Most people hate Cersei, bro. And rightly so. It's odd to be so pressed about the vast consensus for a character and act like it's a weird opinion. I understand you see things differently and that's great! But this whole "are we watching the same show" thing is bizarre considering the consensus.

Rainbow

I don't know if this is a spoiler (please delete if not appropriate) but I believe this episode is one of the lowest rated episodes in the series.

Lyons
>>105528223

"Conspiring with Lil finger to kill Joff regardless of what you think of him, is far worse than anything cersie has done at this point." Never heard such waffle😂 so having numerous innocent dwarfs killed, beheaded and brought to her in attemp to find Tyrion is somehow better than killing Joffrey? The Tyrells did the realm a favour, saved many people from his cruelty. To say that is far worse than anything Cersie has done at this point is hilarious. "The moves she has to make on her own to preserve her family’s position is just as impressive and 'honorable' as anyone else doing the same in this world" the fact you just used honorable to describe her🤦‍♂️ I think it's YOU who has missed the whole point of Cersies character. Are you watching the same show I am?

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

You said you were hoping Sansa would be stronger. She *is* being strong by not getting herself killed. Think about it—if she used one of her pins to stab Ramsey, she probably wouldn’t kill him (Tyrion said Sansa is not a killer, but we know Ramsey absolutely is a killer—and he would fight back). If she did manage to kill him, where is she? In a castle held by his father, who murdered her brother and mother. And it’s snowing cold outside. Maybe she could make it to the tower to light a candle before she was stopped, and maybe not. But remember her conversation with Little Finger—the plan was for her to stay in Winterfell long enough for Stannis to take the castle from the Boltons and name her wardeness of the North. She can’t keep to that plan if she’s dead or somehow escapes. She’s allowed herself to be left in Winterfell with her family’s murderers, hoping she can help her people in the end. That’s strength. That’s bravery. And her thinking ahead about what the heck might happen AFTER she attacked Ramsey, and how that is likely to go badly, is smart. Edited to add: I hate that this happens to her, and it’s not forgivable. She deserves happiness and peace, but no one gets that in this show. Her wedding night has some similarities to Danny’s, actually—she also married a barbarian she was afraid of, and on their wedding night she was scared of having sex with him. He forced her clothes off, bent her over, and…. And now Sansa mirrors that origin story.

Joseph

I feel you guys address the viewers comments and criticisms too often. It's totally OK too have your own opinions on subjective storytelling; in fact, it's more enjoyable to watch. Great job.

Hayden King

I've got a pretty iron gut when it comes to nasty shit (acted/simulated/ performed, etc) and irl to a lesser extent but even I had to skip the ending of this episode.

James McDowell
>>105528223

I saw the introduction of the prophecy as a way to show that there was more to this charachter than most of the others. I see her as a cruel asshole, and spoiled. But I see her also pulled into everything by lil finger, who conspired to set up the lannisters. And also for Ned snooping around. Her prophecy said she’d lose three kids. And Ned was about to tell Bobby b, what should she have done? I think she plays the game of thrones because power is the only possible way she can beat the prophecy. And I think the prophecy has driven her and is the reason behind everything she does. The other part of the prophecy is something we can discuss when snp get through with the show. But she wanted him dead for killing Joff (she literally thinks he killed her son), and idiots killed dwarfs not her. The hit on Tyrion is justified IMO because she believes he’s responsible for Joff.

James McDowell
>>105528223

If I were her lawyer she’d get 3 months in the black cells, a year probation and no access the Lannister summer homes throughout the westerlands for 3 maybe 4 weeks. Everything would be expunged within 3 years. Nothing she’s done is unjustifiable. Nothing that is 100% her doing.

Pharoess

Hey guys can't wait for the next one and the rest of this season omg brace yourselves.

Shay
>>105517072

I agree. We as the audience knew that even though Littlefinger told her to make Ramsay her own, that was never going to happen. We always knew Ramsay would be horrible to her—it was just a matter of time. Frankly, I was just grateful at the time that they didn’t literally show any of it.

Jenny Tolls
>>105556665

You don’t even see anything tho. And it’s a very short scene. Like yeah I feel for Sansa but I would say watching people get tortured or seeing Theon get his dick chopped off is way worse

heygoditsme

45:57 that was pretty cool :)

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol
>>105528223

Nothing? Not pinching her baby brother in his crib until her twin had to make her stop? Or hey, remember the time she literally stopped starving people in her city from being fed leftovers from the wedding feast and made that food go to the dogs? What was justifiable about that, she was in a petty mood so it’s fine? I love to hate her. I understand her. But saying she’s not selfish or some of this isn’t her fault is insane. To me, her being a mother makes her lack of empathy to others so much worse, because she ONLY cares about her own kids, doesn’t give a damn if everyone else’s die. It’s disgusting. Edited to add: Rooting for the Tyrells after they had Joffrey killed is like rooting for someone to go back in time to kill Hitler. Murder is wrong, except when it isn’t (you’ve admitted as much yourself in your defense of Cersei).

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol
>>105556665

Someone saying they skipped a rape scene—even if you don’t consider it an especially violent one—is legit. We all have different triggers, and I wish you would think of any potential rape victims in the comment sections before you “lmao” about the “exaggerating.” Violence is terrible, period. That’s one of the main themes of this show/book.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Like they did with Danny in Season 1? Edit: this was in response to a deleted comment, sorry it no longer makes sense.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol
>>105518935

Honest, non-snarky question here that’s coming from an open mind: don’t they do that with all the characters on this show?

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol
>>105518170

Joffrey would have become as violent as Ramsey if he’d had more time, but since he died young, hands-down Ramsey DOES worse than Joffrey THREATENED to do. Even when Joffrey killed/had someone killed, it was beheading (Ned) or a crossbow to the heart (Ross)… not skinning someone alive.

James McDowell
>>105528223

You’re accurate about everything and prove my point 100%. All the reasons you stated are shitty and ugly and not nice at all. But to be fair, Spartan suggested setting her on fire. Is what she’s done that bad? I can see doing that to Ramsey for sure. But to Cersei? Lil much IMO. But it’s cool to disagree. It’s just my way of seeing things. Nobody gets less sympathy than a rich, beautiful, blonde woman. And nobody likes to see anyone fail or suffer more. At least it looks like that to me in this case

Jenny Tolls
>>105556665

There are lots of victims of violence, domestic abuse, and many people grieving over the lost of a loved one. Yet none of them say they are triggered. Why does Sansa’s scene hold more value than others?? Ramsay literally fed a woman to a bunch of hounds and I just can’t understand how people see this as worse. I’m not saying what happened to Sansa isn’t disgusting and foul because it is but me personally I’d rather be in her shoes than the woman who got eaten by dogs.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol
>>105556665

Maybe it’s easier for real people in modern times to remember a time that someone forced themself on you and someone else stood by and did nothing, than it is for you to remember a time you or a loved one were fed to a dog? Like I said, we all have different triggers. Somebody didn’t want to rewatch a rape scene. That’s ok, just let them be.

spartanandpudgey
>>105555958

we just find it a way to interact with you all and keep that personalised experience there. its all a bit of fun, we aren't too fussed by the criticisms

Hayden King
>>105556665

I never said I was triggered by the scene and nor would I, this scene carries more weight than some others because we know Sansa, we like Sansa, we've watched her grow, physically, emotionally and mentally, over many years from a silly little girl into hardened young woman, who, contradicting what I've just said, is still a child. Same goes for Ramsay's torture of Theon, we'd seen horrible torture before that, the Tickler at Harrenhall, the singer who had his tongue ripped out by Joffrey and so on and so on, but we didn't know them and we just put it down as another atrocity in this horrible world and carried on. The girl Ramsay fed to the dogs, the masters Daenerys burned, crucified and fed to her dragons, the villages that the wildlings slaughtered and cannibalised, we don't know them, we're not invested in them and subsequently we don't care as much, that's the sad truth.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol
>>105528223

LMAO @ “Nobody gets less sympathy than a rich, beautiful, blonde woman.” Tell that to the hundreds of murder victims of color who don’t make the news because the media was too busy obsessing over how tragic one rich, beautiful, blonde victim was. I don’t “hate” Cersei (I love to “hate” her character because, as I said, the writing and acting is amazing) because she’s beautiful and rich, I hate her because she has a lot of power and influence she uses for selfish purposes and never to help anyone if it doesn’t help her first. I hate that she only feels humanity towards her offspring and not towards any other humans. I hate that she has yet to show any signs of remorse for her entitlement and cruelty. (I hated her father for the same reason, but I don’t consider him a beautiful blonde woman.) I can’t speak for people wanting to burn her alive, but I absolutely agree she’s unlikable. As for nobody likes to see anyone fail or suffer more, I think Cersei gets a huge amount of pleasure on multiple occasions watching others fail and suffer (and yes, that’s also true of other characters, but we’re talking about Cersei right now). For that matter, if you’re campaigning for rich beautiful women, why not champion Marjorie? She helped the poor, even if it was for PR purposes, and she was genuinely shocked when she found out her grandmother had a role in Jeffrey’s death. If I lived in King’s Landing, I’d rather her be whispering in the king’s ear about how to rule than for him to be listening to his selfish mother who would rather feed a feast to kept dogs than to suffering humans. But I honestly love your point that it’s cool to disagree, and btw, I dig your MCR pic. :)

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol
>>105556665

That IS the sad truth! 100% agreed. And if some scenes are harder to watch than others for some viewers, for whatever reason, that is ok.

k
>>105556665

the scene doesnt have to show the explicit act to trigger people. ramsey ripping sansa’s dress and forcing her down and the sound of her screams is actually more than enough. also you might want to consider that this scene is a more realistic and possible fear (and trauma) for those watching than a woman getting eaten by hounds or the more vicious things we see in the show—so it makes sense that a lot of ppl are more affected by it.

TallTyrionLannister
>>105528223

dude what?! The Tyrell's are actually decent people. I don't count killing Joffrey as a bad thing given how terrible he was. He deserved to die. And Tommen has to marry at some point, and the Tyrell's are the best options. I wouldn't call that stealing him away from Cersei. Just because Cersei might be better at playing the game, doesn't mean anyone should root for her. Almost every scene she's in reminds the viewers why they shouldn't root for her lol.

TallTyrionLannister
>>105550602

In terms of Rotten Tomatoes score and IMDb, you are correct. But a lot of it was review bombing because of the ending scene. I understand if someone dislikes the scene, but imo it still does serve the purpose of showing how horrific Ramsay is (in Sansa's eyes. We the viewers obviously already know), how disturbed Theon is, and puts into motion Sansa's relationship with both characters moving forward

TallTyrionLannister
>>105518935

I disagree Tayyib. I'm a book reader as well and I think it still does serve a purpose to the story. Even though it's an absolutely horrible thing and hard to watch. I understand if someone dislikes the scene, but imo it still does serve the purpose of showing how horrific Ramsay is (in Sansa's eyes. obviously we the viewers already know), how disturbed Theon is, and puts into motion Sansa's relationship with both characters moving forward

James McDowell
>>105528223

Will is it?…….well, will……if it were your kid you’d hate the tyrells. C’mon man!!! XD

Storm
>>105517072

It also kind of visually centered Theon’s pain, which was better than a lot of things they could have shown, but I remember people were pissed that such a moment for Sansa became just as much (if not more) about Theon and his pain.

Jenny Tolls
>>105556665

All of y'all made some good points. Especially about how this scene is more relatable to us who are living in modern times. Most of us are never gonna be in a position to get eaten by dogs or get their dicks chopped up. And we've grown with Sansa and seeing her escape abuse to fall into the arms of another abuser is rough in itself and it totally relatable. I wish I had realized that before but I'm glad I brought it up because now I can learn from this. My original comment was very brash and insensitive. I wish I would have worded it better. Like I said, I will learn from this and do better in the future.

Katie Thomas
>>105517072

@ Storm yea I remember that too. I remember reading an interview where Iwan Rheon said that shooting that scene was the worst day he’s ever had in his career as an actor, he felt so bad.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol
>>105517072

I am sorry that particular presentation was difficult for you to watch. I want to toss out a personal theory about the SA relevance, but I’m waiting for future episodes.

Tayyib Majumder
>>105518935

We already know Ramsay is bad but to substitute a whole different characters story from the books to Sansa is just stupid this was when I knew the writing took a turn for the worse

Katie Thomas
>>105517072

Totally, these comments will still be here when you’re ready to theorize out loud. Having read the books and seen the show many times, I know there’s a reason for just about each and every moment in the show (with a few exceptions). I’m glad most of us agree though that Sansa didn’t deserve that. There’s a lot to be said about how the film and television industry frequently uses SA as a way to boost character development in female characters. Knowing how things turn out, I can’t help but wonder if there wasn’t another way for them to go about that with her character.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol
>>105517072

I will be WILDLY unpopular and say I thought the decision to include Theon personalized it for a male audience who may have their own PTSD from having witnessed (perhaps as a child or while immobile) a loved one getting assaulted and feeling (for any literal or psychological reason) powerless to stop it. I felt that including him in that scene made MEN think about how terrible SA is, and honestly isn’t that who needs to be thinking about how terrible it is?? What are we all screaming at the screen? For Theon, the man with more physical strength than the one being attacked, to stop the other man from being violent towards a woman. That’s a good message in real life! Women need allies, men, please help if and when you can, whether that’s by literally intervening in a moment like this or just modeling in your life that you are not ok with women being abused. I accept any rotten fruit or veggies you guys have to throw at me now. I’ll just compost it. :)

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol
>>105555958

Don’t be fussed, we are all literally paying money hanging on your every new post! You do you with the content, that’s why we’re here!

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol
>>105556665

I am so happy you saw our point and changed your mind. That is good enough, please don’t beat yourself up! I was not trying to beat you up. I hope it did not feel that way.

Jenny Tolls
>>105556665

Nah it didn’t feel like that. You explained it in a very nice way that gave me a different perspective. I appreciate that you took the time to explain it to me rather than just tell me I’m being stupid or just attacking me. I also appreciate everyone else for being nice about it. A lot of people can be mean and unforgiving online so thanks 🙏🏻

Sasha

It's not Cersei's ego that pushed her to attack the Tyrells but the prophecy of her children dying. Everything she does is to protect her children. She sees Maraerys influence on Tommen as a threat to his life because the Witch mentionned a younger, prettier Queen

SuddenImpulse
>>105550602

It's not really a spoiler but I don't really see the point in mentioning it I suppose? They seemed to enjoy the episode and that's just suggesting that a certain cross-section of reviewers of the total show population felt differently than them. It doesn't really add anything beyond that. (To be clear I am relaying this in a nice, neutral way and not in a rude or aggressive way, since text can be misinterpreted).

SuddenImpulse
>>105550602

@Will You also make a good point that certain episodes got review bombed for content in them so isn't necessarily objectively representative of the quality of the content. Though that also gets into the whole discussion that reviews by their nature are subjective.

SuddenImpulse
>>105528223

I think anyone siding heavily with Cersei or the Tyrells is a bit biased here because neither are perfect or blamess. That having been said the Tyrells engaged in this alliance to further their own goals and benefit their own House, just like the Lannisters did and every other House has done through marriage, political, military, and economic compacts. As far as escalation beyond that, well, Joffrey was a psychotic maniac that was causing all kinds of problems and would have abused Margaery, and Cersei threatened her life before anything similar had happened from the other direction.

AG
>>105592111

Yeah true but she still is petty and power hungry. she loves her kids but still has her flaws.

Izattyi
>>105592111

Every character on this show has their flaws. Some are loved for them, some despite them. And the women as always are held to a higher standard. For “reasons.” Always reasons.

Daniel

This episode is still very hard to watch but still it's very very good.

TallTyrionLannister
>>105518935

So you’re saying it would have been better writing and more faithful to the books if they just left out Ramsay’s marriage in general? Idk…

Kyle Thompson
>>105592111

All she does is to protect her power not her children. Every time she becomes powerless she lashes out to get that power back and it hurts and eventually kills her children

Rainbow
>>105550602

I find it still interesting to talk about. The same way I’d comment on reviews for good episodes (for example - red wedding is one of the best episodes in GoT). For this episode, it’s the ending content but also Dorne. But I feel like if I found the episode interesting, the fact that other people rated it low would mean it just gets even better! Thinking about it positively, it sets a path forward for things to get better not be negative for negative’s sake. :)

Zeek
>>105555958

Thats the fun part. The world spent 8 seasons arguing and debating these things too lol .🤷🏿‍♂️

Stannis loves grammar.

A very tough episode to watch. Does well to hit a lot of story lines.a very mid season episode that moves the plot forward.

Hi There
>>105618458

The Dorne stuff is really fucking bad, but elsewise the episode is not as distinctly bad as many make it out to be. Worse than how the books handled it all, to be sure, but that's not unique to this particular episode.

connie

There really wasn't anything Sansa could do in that moment. She isn't a fighter, and Ramsay is. Even if she managed to get a good hit in, that wouldn't do much. Theon would have to basically sneak up on him, but Theon is deeply traumatized. It's depressing and disgusting, Ramsay had the power in this moment. This episode was deeply uncomfortable to watch at the end. Sansa is my favorite, and it was horrifying to see what happens to her.

Julien
>>105580351

"Nobody gets less sympathy than a rich, beautiful, blonde woman" - Yeah ok, we're obviously getting trolled.

Maurice Jamian Cupido

I got bronquitus an Spartan made me laugh with all the pain when he said the " i wanna watch Cerci burn at the stake with every Bolton manover possible,,🤣🤣🤣🤣

Simone Cherie

Every season Sansa narrowly escapes sexual assault. She isn’t happy to be with Ramsey, but she consents. And the very day she finally accepts her fate and knows she has no choice and works up the nerve to consent - she's not even allowed to. Any form of consent is taken from her.

Blackeyedlily

Definitely a hard to watch difficult episode. This one actually had a lot of people leaving the show afterwards, if only for a temporary time. And my biggest problem with it is that the worst aspects of this particular episode are deviations from the storylines in the books.