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Peter S

You have no idea how much I’m waiting for this! 🔥🔥😘🤣

Peter S

Hopefully this red icon on the screen finds a use! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🤣

DaReal Truf

You are on another level, keep doing what you are doing. Your progression throughout development is apparent. This is by far my favorite VN, it's not even close.

N2bbc

Have to agree. Best story, best art, timeliness, best communication... it goes on.

StrykerNL

He whispered into her ear: "Some things in life are beautiful, the harder they are to obtain..." She didn't reply, trying to give the impression she was focused on the job, but her body flared up in heat and found her thoughts going into a direction her former self would have never dreamt of. "How much longer can I wear "this mask""? Was it the new city, job or finding herself in between the entanglement of snakes that was changing the core of her beliefs?

jojo

Eh c est pour quand ?

Bea

The greatest illusion in the universe is the belief that men “conquer” women. It’s a sweet misunderstanding, really. The historical record — or Edenic gossip column — suggests otherwise. Eve reached for the apple with quiet certainty; Adam simply wandered into the consequences. Women choose, men cope — and somehow they still call it victory. ;)

Bea

From the few hints we have about Emma’s past, it’s hard to imagine she was ever any different. Perhaps she only flirted with the idea to be different for a moment?

Chris Sterner

The argument can be made that eve didn't make a choice, she simply gave into desire. Surrendered to temptation. Accepting the consequences for the actions of another could at least be seen as virtuous. So women "choose" and men "cope" sounds more like an argument of why women "ought" to be conquered.

StrykerNL

Adam and Eve were perfect/complete humans, without sin, which is why their (deliberate) choice weighed so hard. There was no "giving in" or "surrendering to".

Gene

One of the best VNs that I have ever played. 😁

Bea

An interesting take. As far as I recall, Eve had quite a thorough conversation with the serpent - hardly an impulsive moment. It reads more like a rational choice, really. And the desire for wisdom is a rather virtuous motive, if we’re being honest. As for responsibility… well, you remember how that went. He blamed her, she blamed the serpent, and neither of them emerged looking particularly noble. They both gained something, of course -the sudden awareness of their own nakedness. And without that little revelation, none of us would be here; the whole “nakedness” theme would be far too dull to bother with. 😉 As for the notion of being “ought to be conquered” - pleasant consequences for both parties, I won’t deny it, but still an illusion.

StrykerNL

[the desire for wisdom is a rather virtuous motive]Technically, yes... But she and her husband were already masters/keepers of the garden. All the known available trees/fruit/food in the world was theirs. The only thing they had to honor, was not taking fruit from that one tree, which "overrides" the snake's argument for gaining true wisdom.

Chris Sterner

There is alot to unpack in that one event in Genesis. How can a person really make a "free will" choice without already having the knowledge of good and evil? Or like in the US justice system, can you hold someone accountable for their actions if they have no understanding of right and wrong? The argument can also be made that at that moment God was no longer "all knowing". Otherwise he knew the choice she was going to make and held them responsible for a choice they didn't really make. Or they had free will and God is no longer all knowing and nothing is "according to God's plan. This and many other paradoxes and hypocrisie is why I'm not a theist. Although I was raised and baptized Lutheran. I've never agreed with blaming women for original sin. I'm a practicing stoic and I find I lean toward the Kantian camp and utilitarianism for my morality. I like all these arguments strictly for my own search for wisdom.

Bea

I was raised as a Catholic, though I’ve been an atheist for so long I can’t even remember when it started. You’re right – in that scene, the author clearly suggests that YHWH Elohim is not omniscient. He even asks, “Where are you? Who told you that you were naked?” As for free will – does it actually exist? After all, Sapolsky, in his own way, argues that it doesn’t. His argument is brutal in its simplicity: if every decision is the product of biology + environment + prior causes, then “free will” is a story we tell ourselves. On the other hand, Adam and Eve were created in the image and likeness of God from the start, so I suppose they had it. StrykerNL writes above that they were perfect. Unless even the Lord doesn’t have it? Anyway, thanks lads for another chat in the PWWP series (philosophising while watching porn) – honestly, a very human combination of depth and chaos. I like it. The phrase has even made it into the game. Chris - come join us on Discord; it happens quite often there, on various occasions. PS: StrykerNL, there were at least two forbidden trees there (the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life). They never got the chance to taste the latter. That would have been quite a ride. So the story isn’t about disobedience. It’s about preventing humans from becoming divine. That’s the real tension: not sin, but limitation.

Rythan25

Why that terrible hair ? Emma's hair is perfect in her normal style. Even the Paris hairstyle was a downgrade, but this one is just bad.

Novel-games

Because this was coordinated with the person who commissioned the event.