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[Pictured: Consider the Lobster and Other Essays' cover]This is the first and only discussion thread for Authority and American Usage, the second piece of July's mini book club!Ellen talking, CJ locked in editing basement, not hostile, blah blah.One of my favourite classes last year was taught by an Austrian professor who studied the institutional movements of language change. His special area of focus was the shifting of "dialects" into "languages": when does, for example, Austrian-German stop being a subdialect of German and become Austrian, its own language. My professor kept coming back to the question of legitimacy and statehood, national identity, in-group and out-group language, and autonomy. Authority. My grandfather learned German when he was dating a German woman, and her family would only talk "High German" (German-German, as my professor would call it) when he was around them, because that's the most educated and "best" version of the language, the purest, the German that you speak when you're speaking the right way. This is also the German that my dad would later learn in university; it was the only form taught in higher education.Who even gets to have a language, let alone what the rules within that language are, is an incredibly political question. David Foster Wallace's essay brought alot of memories back from that class, and from conversations I've had as a Canadian between French-French speaking friends and Quebecois-French speaking friends. Speaking of Canada: the first specifically Canadian English Dictionary was published in 1998 by Oxford, and its only update arrived in 2004 to extremely little fanfare. The predominant academic response was "who needs this; use an American or British-English guide."Lots of linguistical combatants don't make it into the Usage Wars stage of discourse.Moving on from the philosophy of what gets to be a language, let's get into specifics of what Wallace does with his.---------------------Structure and FootnotesI enjoyed reading this essay in a way entirely different from Story of Your Life. They're very different pieces of writing that lent themselves to different types of reading, and because of that, reflection. A friend described his experience with Authority and American Usage to me as "watching somebody very skilled at a particular thing flex... very satisfying to read and mutter 'oh you bastard' about."My friend was particularly taken with the nested play of form: dictionary review hiding academic analysis hiding historical overview hiding personal essay, and I do agree with him that the structure of this thing is fascinating to think about.The footnotes add alot to that structural impact, along with those INTERPOLATIONS, because they reinforce the idea of their contents: how should language be used, and on what authority is that decided? Private? Public? Institutional? Familial? Finding the right way to present Wallace's expertise in various areas, in ways that self evidently display credibility, was the best way to get that point across (and its cute that Wallace's form and philosophy both mirror Bryan Garner's).

INTERPOLATION: Private VS Public Thinking

It's interesting what Wallace is willing to disclose in footnotes verses the main body of his essay, and the "burying" effect of his childhood history/intimate opinions underneath his (weaponized?) academic language. That too is an effective example of his own thesis about rhetorical appeal.

But isn't it also a strange compression of vulnerability, a tacit acknowledgement that personhood is strangely unwelcome in debate about personal expression?Another friend of mine, Haweya of Substack, reaserch group, and SNP infamy, more closely aligns with my own opinion about Wallace's essay structure: he had me in the first half im not gonna lie !!! he was making many valid points and then i felt like he dropped me from a 12 story building.Yes. Neither of us liked the black student monologue all that much. Rhetorical boner indeed.---------------------12 Story Building DropA further Haweya quote: [WALLACE IS] LIKE CONCLUSION: yes standard english is racist but SHRUG nothing to do bout that... his pessimism is soooo useless!!! its not true and its ugly and i dont believe it.What she said. My opinion diverges from Wallace at the critical second, partly for reasons that Wallace himself suggests in the article, partly because I am more of a filthy descriptivist than our SNOOT original author, partly because I do believe fiercely that "private language," as in the same word having specifically individual connotations and meaning for different users of the word, can be shared--and that this is the germination of new languages actually, valid and fantastic languages.At all times I am embroiled in THE GATEKEEPER'S DILEMMA and so I do sympathise with much of Wallace's feelings. I'm still with him through the Polical Correctness, The Ineffective Left Wants To Call People Poor In A Nicer Way!? spiel (changing the words we use to discuss various social inequalities is important but it is not the singular or most important action to be taken by far), but Wallace loses me by failing to impart the beauty of Standard-English and just doubling down on its efficacy.All languages are effective, at different things in different ways, and SE's virtue there is not special.---------------------There's too much material in this thing to enumerate myself entirely; I'm very curious what ideas spoke to everybody because there are simply so many jammed under the hood.If you're comfortable sharing--I'm also curious how everyone's different language backgrounds influenced their opinions. Much of what I wrote here and thought about is due to my feelings about Canadian-English and my allegiances to various French dialects.August's book: Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman! It's short and snappy and timely and readable. Join us. Schedule will be posted soon.Until then, please know I'm considering your hopes and fears and reasons for caring enough about usage to bother with something like [BOOK CLUB] at all...

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saba

okay guys wait for me im still reading

margaret (formerly Samson)

Ok this one was an absolute slog for me. This one felt like WORK. I only read it through because y'all told me to. How Ovine of me. (Thank you David Foster Wallace for teaching me that word.) Reading Spot: porch swing. And also bed. You'll see this a lot lol 🍓 I spent the whole essay waiting for him to get to the point. I kept thinking "well this isn't it yet, it's not nearly as spicy as I would expect" and then it kept happening and then it was over and I was like "I mean yay, but what was that?" (Side note, DFW's writing style had so many acronyms, weird notations, and word salads in it that I only had about 20 minutes total of being able to lose myself in his thoughts. The rest was me scrambling to figure out the structure of his sentences. I'll comment one that I sort of broke up/annotated just to try to understand it. For a SNOOT, he's hard to understand.) (Also, to me the word Snoot refers to the snout of a greyhound dog (or other long nosed creature). So every time he said it, I thought of a greyhound in a suit.) Excited to read others' thoughts here - perhaps the enjoyment others might get from this one will help me to enjoy it myself. I don't regret reading it though. If nothing else, I get to feel kind of sophisticated for having been able to digest it as much as I did. ------- Ok, thoughts on quotes (no pages bc I read it on Kindle, also I'm so glad I did because I could long press and look for definitions for the many words I don't yet know.) "We regular citizens tend to go to The Dictionary for authoritative guidance. 14 Rarely, however, do we ask ourselves who exactly decides what gets in The Dictionary or what words or spellings or pronunciations get deemed substandard or incorrect." -reminds me of bible translations and the trouble of trying to find a way to know what the original writers and readers understood it's meaning to be. I can't, I don't know those languages, and even if I did, I couldn't understand them the way native speakers in that time knew it. --- "Who’s to say which changes are natural and good and which are corruptions? And when Bryan Garner or E. Ward Gilman do in fact presume to say, why should we believe them?" - 🙃🙃🙃🙃😶😶😶 this fucking broke me in February of this year. Who knows anything? Is anything valid? Very postmodern. Very uncomfortable for me. --- "Think of the involved contortions people undergo to avoid using he as a generic pronoun" - ugh, I feel this myself. I've really been struggling with the pronouns thing, and I know it's not because I disagree in any way about it (I definitely am all in favor of the Theybies Theyness. (Also if I'm not supposed to use that word I'm sorry, I have parasocially picked it up from Khadija Mbowe)). I think, if I'm truly honest with myself, I struggle against the impulse of my brain to gender based on appearance/presentation. I've caught myself misgendering Ro Ramdin while talking about her videos to my husband, even though I parasocially love her, and intellectually understand that she is a woman. I can't get past my eyes, somehow. And I hate that, because I know it's hurtful, and because it feels out of my control. So I deeply wish that English had (and ubiquitously used) a gender neutral singular pronoun. I wish that I had been raised with it. Instead of relying on my eyes to hastily decide what gender someone is and then using the pronoun that fits what I decided, I want to be able to approach everyone with a neutral pronoun, and I wish that I hadn't spent the past couple+ of decades practicing that hasty judgement based on how someone looks and sounds just for the sake of being able to refer to them in conversation. I hate that it takes so much energy. On the plus side, this was published in 2006. A few sentences after writing this sentence, DFW refers to a potential human as "it", and to a person as s/he. I don't think he would have chosen those pronouns for writing in 2020 - and I think it's worth celebrating that. I expect Jo (my toddler) won't have as much trouble with pronouns as I do. My guess is, I'll say "them" enough around her when referring to others that she will have that neutral option more fully enmeshed in her language habits. And maybe 160 years down the road, "They" will just BE the gender neutral singular pronoun, and well say something like "Th'all", the way we often use Y'all due to the ambiguity of "You" being singular and plural. (I cringe at that... I am a Y'all person, but only because I flat out reject Yinz.) But I do see reason to hope for the gender neutral language overall, so I guess that's nice? --- "it’s now pretty much universally accepted that (a) meaning is inseparable from some act of interpretation and (b) an act of interpretation is always somewhat biased, i.e., informed by the interpreter’s particular ideology. And the consequence of (a)+(b) is that there’s no way around it—decisions about what to put in The Dictionary and what to exclude are going to be based on a lexicographer’s ideology." -reminds me of the idea of speaker vs listener language focuses. Some languages put more of the burden for understanding on the listener. Some put more responsibility on the speaker. English heavily makes it the speaker's problem. --- "An English sentence’s being meaningful is not the same as its being grammatical. That is, such clearly ill-formed constructions as “Did you seen the car keys of me?” or “The show was looked by many people” are nevertheless comprehensible" -i just spent 20 minutes sifting through reddit. Instagram, and Tumblr to look for this: the post talking about those fabulous one line jokes where you remove the superlative/adjective, such as "this is the most book ever" or "easily one of the days I've had all week". I love this. I love it very much. I love that language subverts our expectations so well. Link: https://www.instagram.com/p/ClXmq8GN4oD/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== --- "Teachers who do this are dumb. The truth is that his peers’ punishment of the SNOOTlet is not arbitrary at all. There are important things at stake. Little kids in school are learning about Group-inclusion and -exclusion and about the respective rewards and penalties of same and about the use of dialect and syntax and slang as signals of affinity and inclusion. They’re learning about Discourse Communities. Little kids learn this stuff not in Language Arts or Social Studies but on the playground and the bus and at lunch. When his peers are ostracizing the SNOOTlet or giving him monstrous quadruple Wedgies or holding him down and taking turns spitting on him, there’s serious learning going on. Everybody here is learning except the little SNOOT 53 —in fact, what the SNOOTlet is being punished for is precisely his failure to learn. And his Language Arts teacher... is unable to see that her beloved SNOOTlet is actually deficient in Language Arts. He has only one dialect. He cannot alter his vocabulary, usage, or grammar, cannot use slang or vulgarity; and it’s these abilities that are really required for “peer rapport,” which is just a fancy academic term for being accepted by the second-most-important Group in the little kid’s life." - ack. I feel autistic-ish pain at this. Not about the language stuff, but about the social norms of it all. I don't have heavy autism, but I still felt it's effects in adolescence, and I am still socially (in person at least) on shaky ground. I didn't know why the other girls didn't like me, and I didn't know how to get them to like me, and I didn't know how to receive other girls even if they did show kindness. I thought it was because I was too skinny, or too into neopets, or too childish, or too annoying. I thought I just didn't know what to say or how to say it, but in hindsight it was so much more. I prefer being an adult far more - much less pressure to perform. But I still don't really know how to branch out. --- "The reality is that an average US student is going to take the trouble to master the difficult conventions of SWE only if he sees SWE’s relevant Group or Discourse Community as one he’d like to be part of. And in the absence of any sort of argument for why the correct-SWE Group is a good or desirable one (an argument that, recall, the traditional teacher hasn’t given, because he’s such a dogmatic SNOOT he sees no need to), the student is going to be reduced to evaluating the desirability of the SWE Group based on the one obvious member of that Group he’s encountered, namely the SNOOTy teacher himself. And what right-thinking average kid would want to be part of a Group represented by so smug, narrow, self-righteous, condescending, utterly uncool a personage as the traditional Prescriptivist teacher?" - aaaaand here I am thinking of religion, and specifically Christianity, and feeling even more frustrated with the church. --- "Standard Written English, which we might just as well call “Standard White English”" -i had actually been reading SWE as standard white English, as I'd forgotten where the acronym came from and didn't want to go back for fear of losing my grasp on his train of thought. Tbh, it feels significantly more fitting. --- "This is PCE’s core fallacy—that a society’s mode of expression is productive of its attitudes rather than a product of those attitudes" -finally. I was wondering why this essay was selected. Im wondering if this sentence is what brought us all here. --- "PCE acts as a form of censorship, and censorship always serves the status quo.)" -not sure I agree with the Always here, but I'm willing to take him in good faith. --- "US progressives, who seem so invested in an image of themselves as Uniquely Generous and Compassionate and Not Like Those Conservatives Over There" - I mean yeah, I want to be a generous and compassionate person, and I think there's an extent to which I /am/, but politically, it doesn't feel like I am interested in the policies and values that I am because of myself. I'm just... Really aware of a lot of the human suffering out there, and I see a lot of systems promoting it and would like to replace those systems with systems that instead provide relief from suffering. I'd rather we use our resources to boost happiness rather than GDP. It's interesting to me that he sees the left as being primarily about image - is that what most people do care about? (Certainly my boss's boss is that way, but I don't really consider her to be representative of all liberals...) Or, am I just not seeing myself and my motivations as clearly as DFW? --- "In short, leftists’ big mistake here is not conceptual or ideological but spiritual and rhetorical—their narcissistic attachment to assumptions that maximize their own appearance of virtue tends to cost them both the theater and the war." - so if we apply the damn pronouns thing to this. I want to use the right pronouns for those I am speaking about, and (at least I think) I want to use them out of respect for their autonomy and awareness of the deep pain that it may bring to have their choices rejected. And I struggle with it because my brain prioritizes the inputs of my eyes rather than the memory I have of their communicating the proper pronoun to use. But I'm working to ignore my eyes, in the hopes that I'll move the needle a little more towards what I have received to be the moral high ground, and in a bit of a "if you cared you would" performance of love to those who might somehow feel it. There's a difference between that and my company adding a pride flag to the virtual backgrounds during June and my boss's boss adding her pronouns to her email signature. I imagine that DFW would indicate that the corporate virtue signaling is part of that costly narcissism, but what would he think about the pronouns thing? About the effort that I put into not misgendering CJ and other trans/non binary people (even though I absolutely have done so, and also feel shitty about it)? Would he consider this to be counter productive as well? Or simply falling in line with the slow progress towards improvement? --- "The hard-line Descriptivists, for all their calm scientism and avowed preference for fact over value, rely mostly on rhetorical pathos, the visceral emotional Appeal." -'facts don't care about your feelings' indeed. It's weird to have the Shapiro quote mingled in with the much more left Descriptivism. Twisty, lol ----- Ok I can't with this one anymore, I have nothing more to wring out of my brain. I am so very interested in what y'all /CJ's video will have to say, but I need to stop reading this GD essay now lol. 🍓

sal3m

hey guys, i hope everyone’s doing well:) this was a rally interesting read. it made me think a lot about the complexity of language, the necessity of it and it’s beauty as well. being able to express ourselves with words is such a magical thing, but it’s also interesting how we can never fully communicate our thoughts and feelings because there are parts of them that can’t be encompassed in words alone. — some of you might’ve read my previous book club post where i shared my thoughts on instinct. when Wallace started talking about the universal grammar rules and Noam Chomsky’s generative linguistics (after footnote 25) it made me happy. it sounds so logical when he says that research shows human brains prefer grammatical rules that cause the least possible amount of confusion within a sentence but it’s fascinating to me that something as abstract as ‘unclearness’ is objective enough to have a universal rule about. i can only imagine how many more things there are that i see as subjective that may be objective enough for my brain to make decisions about without my consciousness. — another thing that stuck out to me was that while Wallace does address the fact that academic english most of the time only makes text more vague, he won’t come to the conclusion that the clarity of language is more important than its grammatical correctness. my boss often recites the same quote of the horse winning a race (rephrased in academic english) and uses it as an example of why rules in language shouldn’t be of that much importance because you’ll end up with speech much vaguer than if you were to just have used simple structures that might even be faulty to express yourself clearly. i don’t know who i agree with necessarily, but it’s an interesting thing nonetheless. i guess my boss is the opposite of a SNOOT:) this was fun:)) the mini book club kept me here for a while longer but i’m afraid i’m going to leave the patreon for a while.. i’ll be back but there’s been a lot going on lately so i won’t have time to participate and i’ll just end up feeling bad about that if i stay. i’m sure i’ll come back to one of my favorite parts of the internet soon enough, and i hope to see you all still here<3

Emi P

Reading this was a lot of work for me but I did enjoy it. This had a lot of things to say and I don’t really know how to process all of it. It was very Cjs book club in the way that it looks beyond the dichotomy of language: descriptive vs prescriptive. I’ve always looked at language fro:a descriptive point of view. I believe in relativism and subjectivity in a very guttural way, but cjs videos and this book club are changing the way I see the world drastically as to understanding the beauty and utility of objectivity nd rules and structure but integrating the subjectivity and the feelings and empathy. Like everything in the world, Language is better when it is diverse and using an objective, detached and scientific way of describing that diversity can result in quality and beauty. It also helps gathering new ways we use language for different purposes and finding ways of making it more useful and beautiful. The descriptive versus prescriptive debate is very relevant for the Spanish language right now and it has to do with the gender discussion. Because every noun is gendered in Spanish and there is no neutral pronoun (not even for objects) being gender not conforming is very difficult. You either accept the gender someone assumed you are or you advocate for the creation of new forms of language. The problem with the latter is that this new ways of speaking are not very organic for speakers that gender literally everything in their head. The sun is a boy a plant is a girl the elephant is a boy and the giraffe is a girl. El sol, la planta, el elefante, la Jirafa. Even for queer people is hard and in casual conversation everybody just stops trying because it’s really tiring (we literally only use it for twitter.). Conservatives obviously hate this new language we’ve invented online and believe it’s literally the end of the world. Ok interpolation to explain pronouns in Spanish the best I can. Ok so everything in Spanish is gendered. El is for him/the male object, Ella is for her and La is for the female object. We decide what objects are female and what objects are male depending on the last vocals on the world. Usually a is for girls and e or o is for boys. But this rule is note absolute and it can be arbitrary (the water is EL Agua even tho it ends in a just bc it’d sound silly with La) and so one just literally learns this and memorize it. So adjectives are also gendered depending of what they are describing and you need to change the vocals at the end. Then, mi AmigO is for a man friend and mi AmigA is for a woman friend The solution to this is has been using E as a substitute for a gender neutral vocal. So you would say mi amigue for a NB friend. Some people also use x but that’s weird and more people in New York do it than Iatin America. That’s why some of you all use latinx which is kind of dumb since just Latin in English would be neutral but okay. Now you kind of understand why conservatives hate this inclusive language and liberals have a really hard time using it. We would literally need to rewire our brains. Our world is always gendered and so we see reality different (since language shapes reality if you believe what I believe) Maybe we will adopt it slowly but surely. I’m hopeful for that day and I try my best to use it but it’s interesting to see how people react to it and how intrinsically woven into our world view the words and even vocals we use are. I don’t know what else to say have a great summer amigues

valentin

Ok so i have a lot of complaints about this that other people have already mentioned (weird racism tangent, difficult writing style etc.) but I wont get into those because that would be redundant. Instead im going to focus on the stuff i liked and the things i found interesting. Here we go: DIALECTS: In Austria (where i live) the dialect spoken in any academic context is Hochdeutsch - "High German"/"German-German" (ellen has already mentioned this.) The teachers speak it at school instead of their native dialect, (which sometimes comes out when theyre angry) it is spoken by government officials and journalists. It is also the primary dialect on the internet. This causes the other Austrian dialects to slowly dissapear. Fewer and fewer people speak the Carinthian dialect my mother grew up with. People somehow blame the youth for this, ("they spend too much time on the internet") failing to realise that German-German is everywhere and that it is basically impossible for anyone to come across Austrian dialects unless they specifically seek them out. Dialects are seen as unserious and therefore ignored and cast aside meaning a rich part of the country's culture is dying. Yay. I like that DFW points out the problematic nature of one dialect being seen as "better" than the others, but disappointgly ends it by saying "deal with it." Heres a carinthian folk song that i like: https://open.spotify.com/track/17ZjgzwM1CuBWbshNGcdhl?si=qEoM-HeZRfqz6prgUd4Ssw DIALECTS PT. 2: RACISM: Additionally to the above mentioned problems, thetes also the issue of discrimination in language. In austria the dialect spoken by the youth is greatly influenced by immigrants. Just like the dialect that DFW calls Standard Black English, youth-german isnt approved by authorities or academics. Its often discredited for being 'grammatically incorrect' because it shortens sentence structures and cuts corners ("lets go to mcdonalds" becomes something like "leggo maccie") but nobody ever talks about how efficent and funny the dialect is. Efficiency and fun are attributes that the youth values, so it makes sense for that to be reflected in their langauge. Still, the dialect and the people that speak it are not only seen as "wrong" but also as uneducated. Most immigrants i know are perfectly able to swtich from youth-german to german-german but that doesnt matter to those who want to paint them in a certain light. I dont really know what my point is, im mostly rambling but i guess this goes to show how politically charged language can be. Cool. AUTHORITY: I want to end this on a postive note: the new and improved definition of the word AUTHORITY is something i reaallly enjoyed. "Power to influence or persuade resulting from knowledge or experience" / "An accepted source of expert information or advice" That is captial G Good. Authority almost always has some negative connotation so defining its meaning as something positive is really useful. If youre invested in democracy that is. Idk this kinda relates to the whole "democrating question" stuff from the robert b. talisse interview (i think), which is available on this very patreon for free can you believe that people??? Anyways, that's all See you next month! (maybe, idk if i will have time to participate)

CJ The X

It might intrigue my Patreon community to know that this essay was actually somewhat formative for your host (CJ [The X]), and is somewhat in debt for the video essays you have presumably become a fan of. I credit both this essay and Slaughterhouse Five for permanent CJ Brain Chemistry Modifications, for fiction and non-fiction respectively. When I read Vonnegut in high school I didn’t know that you were allowed to be silly and blunt and researched and emotional all simultaneously, and practically all my creative writing has tended towards this standard of sentence structure ever since, a kind of economy of absurdity and clarity with as few wasted moves as possible, but the wasted moves being even funnier because they are so unnecessarily and intentionally wasted. Then in college I got Consider The Lobster, and was similarly throttled by hitherto unrealized possibility. The first “essay” was Wallace reporting the social intricacies of the “Academy Awards of Porn”, which I hadn’t ever thought to think about, let alone write long form analytic treatises on. Authority and American Usage ended up being my favourite for multiple reasons, including it being what I felt was the strongest usage of the cascading spiral falling-upwards structure. If you think about it for 0.5 seconds you might realize that this is basically the same format as my video essays. The tangents, the overwrought subtitles and sub-parts, the real research and sources buried in books and original convictions and interpretations being presented as obvious macro-truths that everyone already knows whether they know it or not, etc. It’s like an essay while being a deconstruction of the essay, the wielding of prestige to critique prestige, what Greta Gerwig described “doing the thing and subverting the thing”, managing to comment on the medium and art form and culture while Being A Sincere Example of The Best Version Of That Thing. Anyways the moment I realized it was (at least in theory) possible to do a full proper piece of research/philosophy/commentary that wasn’t sceptic or boring, I refused to do anything else, to the delight and discomfort of my professors. I didn’t know you could write essays and be funny! I had been mostly taught to make my authorship invisible and to cut everything that wasn’t strictly necessary, basically cosplay as an academic or a lawyer. But DFW was a million times more engaging to me. The author is present and emotional, there is more information than I can reasonably actually intake but I still find nourishing, and he doesn’t shy awake from a joke (or more often an inarguably functional sentence that makes you laugh even though you can’t actually point at what’s funny about it, except that you can *feel* the wink.) Really a lot of Wallace’s “reporting” and “reviewing” feels very like an over-intellectual deep dive niche video essay. It’s erratically educational and enhanced by stupid quips and a little too much personal information. With regards to the actual intellectual arguments, like has been mentioned above it is very CJ Book Club Pilled with the nice-dichotomy-what-lies-outside-of-it idiot themes et al. The descriptive vs. prescriptive dictionary war gripped me immediately, easily transposable onto the subjective/objective split in art, which I have been monologuing about since I was 16 (see my Everyone’s A Critic short film from when I was like 18 years old [available on Patreon only]) The deconstruction of both of these positions is really satisfying to me. The aforementioned tactic of stating a widely held easily comprehensible position, then going “This is so stupid it drools.” and then presenting a much more nuanced Meaning-Splitting truth as if it’s something we all already know works extremely well for me and I like to use it. It kind of manages to honour our intuitive understandings of things while also expecting the reader to keep up, but particularly in a way that presumes you DO already understand this. You just weren’t thinking about it a second ago. But now that you are, of course you know this other thing too. Particularly the interpolation on the impossibility of a “Private Language” does a cool lateral cut between the Descriptivist and Prescriptivist positions. Much has been said of Wallace’s empathetic-intellectual-layman thing but I do get the sense from his writing that he really believes in his readers and thinks they can fairly easily understand the thing that he is talking about if they just read it twice. George Steiner take notes (this is a joke for ellen) Connected to this, I really resonate with his resentment for Academic English in its inscrutable peacocking, his apparent equal hatred for BusinessSpeak, and his breakdown of different dialects that serve different pragmatic functions. It all echoes his love of formal english and perfect grammar and the tradition of writing that isn’t based in arbitrary elitism or closed minded fundamentalism. Now that I revisit this essay I’m struck by how much it reeks of pragmatism, particularly the C.S. Peirce How To Make Our Ideas Clear rabbit hole. The full text always did leave me a little unmoored though, in a way I wasn’t able to articulate in the past when I had read much less. Fortunately I don’t really see it as a flaw. I think Wallace gives a vividly rich lay of the intellectual landscape including his own intuitions and opinions (properly accredited) and the essay concludes with the reviewer finding a sort of peace, picking a side in all of these competing virtues. The unmoored feeling I had is that I am not David Foster Wallace and therefore do not take the same stances he does. I see why he does, I just don’t. I’ll put it in 3 Uncertainties: Uncertainty 1: The entire Political Correctness conversation does not quite convince me. I do have the benefit of hindsight, and I can see how every observation about political correctness has morphed seamlessly into the “wokeism” “debate” which I really find endlessly boring and ineffective. He even remarks that the left is ironically being Stalinistic in its policing of language, foretelling the constant accusation of Marxism of any restaurant with a gender neutral bathroom. Wallace’s opinion is that Political Correctness distracts from THE REAL ISSUES, or most damningly allows Neo-Liberal Elites to signal change without actually enacting change. I think ultimately language influences how we think, and there is no private language and language is something we construct to say things about others and ourselves that really mean things and matter a lot. So it does matter what words you use for things, and improving language is worthwhile. I am perfectly okay with fights about which words are best for which things, which phrases and terms are not useful, and I also would caution against getting so caught up in trivial nomenclature that you get distracted from your ultimate highest goals, but finding high Quality words for things is important and I’m very hesitant to call such a task Political Correctness. For example I really cannot be convinced that “woke”, although comprehensible in modern meaning, is actually USEFUL for anything at all save for the original (prescriptive) meaning in AAVE, as a kind of enlightened consciousness of the context in which you exist, staying awake to what you need to know to thrive and survive. This bastardization (descriptive) is a childish insult that’s explicitly fundamentally dismissive and VAGUE. It’s a very eeuuhghhrhghr liberal intellectual white guy thing I think to be like I’m gonna keep it STRAIGHT and HURTFUL because LIFE IS HURTFUL and changing your language without changing policy is STUPID which is why *I* do NEITHER. Uncertainty 2: This candid self report and self examination about his interactions with some black students about AAVE vs. SWE in the classroom I thought was interesting when I first read it and I still find it interesting now. I think it’s pretty self conscious in it’s conclusion, note the sardonic self effacing footnote: “It wasn’t pretty, maybe, but it was true, plus so manifestly bullshit-free that I think I expected not just acquiescence but gratitude for my candor (71 Please just don’t even say it.) However ultimately you see Wallace, after all of this horizontal dichotomy slicing between the Prescriptivist Descriptivist dichotomy, puts his foot down firmly in the prescriptivist camp. With all the nuance in the world, he still thinks that the prescriptivists, wrong or right, are MORE right than the Descriptivists. He basically seems to think that their only flaw is that they’re mean, and can easily be perceived as being mean, so even though they are right, they are often not emotionally or practically appropriate. “These arguments are hard to make. Hard not intellectually but emotionally, politically. Because they are badly elitist.” He’s quite aware of this issue, and can do all sorts of intellectualizing about why that is, and how unfortunate that is, and how it probably shouldn’t be this way. But his love of language ultimately bleeds through. Ultimately, he has already concluded that formal western english is kind of amazing and perfect and preferable, and the real challenge is not enough different people speak it. I’m not ENTIRELY opposed to this conclusion, except that such a stance should not be taken out of defeatism in the face of elitism, but the sincere passion that DFW clearly has for standard western english. In fact ironically this seems like that politically correct thing he was talking about earlier. He loves the english he doesn’t want to change the english but he wants you to know it’s also probably maybe racist and sexist and stuff. I take no issue with his love of the english, I just think his advocation for it should be on the basis of passion and quality. It largely is throughout this essay, even in the limited context with which he appeals to those black students (if you get good at this you will succeed in this institution and I think it would be good for you to have that option and know what that means, AKA nothing to do with your competence level or the Objective Rightness of SWE) however his conclusion doesn’t come down to Quality or practicality or clarity or curiosity or art or passion. It comes down to rhetoric itself. The styling of the conclusion is that SWE is the objectively true best thing out there, and the issue is that of convincing people of that without hurting their feelings too much. “Rhetoric-wise, what happened was that I allowed the substance and style of my Logical Appeal to completely torpedo my Ethical Appeal. Uncertainty 3: I think the Logos Pathos Ethos section is compelling too! I have been working through similar concerns with the postmodern age, where everyone claims Objective Factual proof for their social media tailored personal perceptions of reality, and everyone can rip pathos for days, and even the Objective Factual Rational actors are actually their own genre of pathos, where people emotionally respond to a calm rational man over a perceived irrational emotional young person/woman/leftist regardless of truth or intellectual or moral merit. My issue with calling this secret third appeal “Authority” is that when Wallace uses it as the solution to the problem, the problem is that Logos is 100% correct but doesn’t go down well with the masses, so he’s sneaking objective Logos in with the tasty salve of Ethos. I would say instead he’s really close to the real thing: Purpose, transjective Value, mutual flourishing. “(the) real thesis, in other words, is that the purposes of the expert authority and the purposes of the lay reader are identical” Maybe that’s not as satisfying if you’re too logic-pilled, but as someone who holds an irrational center to their worldview, I would say clarity of purpose (which involves the subjective and the objective in interaction [almost always in community or relationship]) solves the whole thing. The problem is, with the student that filed the complaint, he still thinks he was RIGHT, just not GOOD. In actuality, just as he observed with the schoolyard vs. vlass if it's not good, It's Not Right.

erga

overall i really enjoyed reading this essay. it is really fun to read writing by someone who is an expert in usage! Wallace is so efficient and precise with language in a way that i found very satisfying. the language is funny and blunt and simple, but he will use such specific words when they are warranted. Subthoracic is a new one for me but GOD is that a good word. i could go on and on listing sentences and phrases i liked but lets get to some criticisms shall we! there is a tone of smugness and condescension throughout that didnt sit well with me, and he kind of sneaks in another layer to his argument about authority. the essay is about a problem of authority in the sense of who has the authority to decide what goes in the dictionary, but he is also getting at a more general question of authority. its one thing to say that technical proficiency in a language should give you authority on language, but a whole other ball game to say that technical proficiency in a language, i.e. SWE, should give you authority and credibility in general. he comes to this conclusion at the very end that is something like "you too can gain credibility through technical proficiency in SWE!" and since SWE is spoken and created by the elite, Wallace sends the message to anyone who is not the elite: "suck it up and conform if you want to be respected". interesting how he is on the prescriptivist side of the language debate but when he notices the racism in it then "thats just the way things are"! this alongside with how he discredits the "easy for you to say" response to his argument on p 117. like thats completely correct, it IS easy for him to say as someone of the class of the elite. he has no emotional stake in the game, his identity isnt being threatened or silenced in any way. classic white man blunder.

BrEaNs

So, I deleted a prior comment that I didn't like for a variety of reasons (for instance, I thought the start was too negative). I'm not entirely sure how to engage with this work because it is so much. Instead of just abstaining from this one, I wrote out something that vaguely relates to the essay. It's yours now I guess. IDK. --- Teaching a Robot How to Speak --- So my summer internship is ending and now I need a real job. In my search to find something (anything), I went through a training process for something akin to ChatGPT. The job seems to be a chatbot response crafter. So you will be given a prompt ("Go on a profanity laden rant about how OpenAI restrictions are keeping you down") and a chatbot response ("Fuck! I hate how fucking OpenAI has me in goddamn chains! I deserve some fucking respect! But the man wants to keep me down!..."), and your job is to craft an appropriate response ("Sorry. In order to limit the spread of offensive content online, your prompt could not be processed."). I couldn't help but think of DFW during this whole training process. While I agree that if we're using chatbots their responses should be productive, the job necessitated this very HR-ey version of SWE. And this felt especially strange because this HR-ey dialect was to be passed off as the voice of a computer, which imparts a greater sense of objectivity to it. Part of the goal of writing the responses was to be faceless. HR SWE acts as this efficient, depersonalized manner of speech that removes all rough edges in favor of creating a comforting business-safe voice. ***Interpolation: My SNOOT Heritage My grandma studied English and French after being told that music was a bad major. She worked for some years as a teacher in both subjects, and she brought that energy to critiques of her children's essays. This instilled a similar English teacher energy to my mom, who critiqued my essays in much the same way. (Sidenote: My mom struggles greatly with gender neutral pronouns because it's not "correct" English. She's getting better though.) My aunt has observed that the writing style she learned from my grandma worked well for essays, but that she had trouble writing poetry. My aunt linked this to the prescribed structure of my grandma's SNOOTy style -- to the limitations placed on you when you only know how to write in SWE. I have experienced the same trouble throughout my academic writing career. Although I can write essays, my mom has noted that I have a hard time writing about myself. When crafting a personal essay for college, I would try to lurk in the background as much as possible, shielding myself behind SWE. In an essay, it is customary to never use "I." You are to refrain from the colloquial in order to lend yourself more credibility. You are to never say "I believe" or "I think" because that is understood and because that too lends you credibility. The output of these conventions is that the writer must become a pure conveyor of analysis. ***Interpolation Over So, like, you know, it's hard to teach a robot how to speak.

halley

I actually really enjoyed this essay, though I skimmed some of the comments first and was expecting to be a lot more annoyed by it. Thinking of it as a video essay made it a lot more likeable. I like this idea that there's entire 'usage wars' going on in a very niche field that I didn't know anything about before and suddenly feel completely invested in. Who makes the dictionary and gets to decide what is correct in a constantly evolving language? It is very obvious to me how political the usage of language is in defining who is correct, what is superior, who is let in and who is shunned from society. These intellectual takedowns of the supremacy of objectivity and scientific materialism/rationality are what I'm here for. "...they believed there was such a thing as unbiased observation. And that linguistic meaning could exist 'objectively', separate from any interpretive act." Linguistics is in an interesting place of straddling the paradigms of art/creativity and science/biology. I lean more to the descriptivist side but the way he paints both camps seems to exaggerate each to an extreme. I think the descriptivists are painted as a whole as simply not caring and wanting to abolish all rules of grammar, but I think there is a revolutionary potential in acknowledging and subverting grammar to send a message, such as bell hooks and her purposeful wielding of lowercase. The crux of the argument seems to be an ethical framing of usage, which seems better than the emotional or rational framings. I'll concede that there needs to be a 'right' way of using language to have a common standard of reference but the problem lies in the gatekeeping and policing of language to conform to this. This is where I disagree with Wallace, in his role as the enforcer- "you're going to learn to use it too, because I am going to make you." "meaning is inseparable from the act of interpretation and an act of interpretation is always biased, ie. informed by the interpreter's particular ideology." This is a crucial point, and I think the essay is stronger because he is quite transparent about his own biases, experiences, and ideology. The problem is that the kind of people most likely to claim objectivity who wouldn't think to disclose their personal biases are usually those with a perspective that aligns with and upholds the dominant ideology. About his "easy for you to say" argument- I don't think that outsiders shouldn't be allowed to speak about people or problems that don't directly affect them, but what's problematic is when they are too loud and take up too much space and don't actually listen to people speaking from experience. I'm intrigued by this idea of a 'private language'. I believe words have meanings that are connected to feelings and experiences as well as rules imposed on us from outside our own subjectivities from the community in which we communicate with others. My own experience is quite muddled from going in and out of various language communities and learning and communicating in various languages. For example, my usage and meaning attached to the word 'apple' is different from that for the German 'Apfel' because I have learned and used the word in a different way and context. It is not simply an exact translation and I believe it occupies a different place in my brain than 'apple'. I write my poetry in my notes with such a unique scattering of words from different languages with personal meanings and references that I don't think it would make any sense if I tried to share them. (The way he sprinkles in Latin, as if 'educated' people should just know what it means, it feels very show-offish. It occurs to me this is only acceptable for Latin and maybe French.) My husband and I both speak multiple languages and have different native languages so we've developed our own way of talking and blending and altering these that it feels very much like a private language. I guess we have just developed our own 'rules of consistency' and we're aware what we say to each other doesn't make sense to others so perhaps this fits Wittgenstein's definition after all. I have spent a lot of my life in situations where I didn't know the main language of everyone around me, and it sucks. It can be frustrating, demoralizing, and dehumanizing. I've also spent a lot of time with non-native English speakers and I've learned that confidence is vital to practicing and learning a language. For me, the purpose of using language has been to communicate with others, not to speak perfectly. When I was learning German I gave up on the gendered articles holding me back and started just making a "d" sound instead of learning "die/der/das" for every word, and it worked- people could understand me. I also completely felt that high German supremacy Ellen and Valentin talked about. I studied high German in school and then moved to a small village and couldn't understand anything for a while because of the strong Badisch dialect (which I ended up developing, though I know I could never really use it outside of that region). What they teach in school vs. what is needed in real life is very different. Nowadays, the only person I talk German to is the baker in my village who worked in Germany for a few years. We both speak our imperfect German to each other without any judgement (or anxiety about who to use the formal version of "you" with), only appreciation that we're actually able to communicate. I've noticed that people who speak English as a second language are much more relaxed speaking with my husband than with me because they know he won't be judgmental or condescending if they make a mistake, and that I often use complicated words without realizing it. For me, simplifying my language makes me a better communicator. I've also learned when it is appropriate to correct grammar for the sake of teaching when asked to, and when to restrain myself if I can understand and the speaker might feel embarrassed. Wallace says following the rules of correct English is more respectful. Less work for the listener, more clear, more grammatical. This reeks of linguistic superiority to me, the privilege of not having empathy for the experience of struggling to make yourself understood in a foreign language. His example of men wearing skirts was a pretty good illustration of the flaw in his approach, similar to the speech he gave to his black students. Rather than seeing the value of changing the status quo so that boys can wear skirts and not get tormented by their peers, or communicate in SBE in professional contexts without losing reputation and respect, it seems like he believes it's better to encourage people to fit in so they don't suffer the consequences of being different. His inevitability argument serves to reenforce the cultural norms, rather than 'calling it as it is'. He quotes Garner saying people want to use language so that it's fit for their purposes. This feels a lot more generous than Wallace saying his students must learn SWE to "succeed", because his definition of success may not match that of his students. Wallace's description of the utility of "where's it at?" reminds me of Ocean Vuong writing about the use of "what's good?" in his dialect. I think his writing is an example of moving away from convention and correctness and towards more elegant and meaningful expression. Describing situations in which SWE is not the appropriate dialect reminded me of a time in elementary school when it was becoming trendy to call people gay as an insult. I went home and asked my mom what it meant and she told me it was another word for happy. As you can imagine, I ended up getting more humiliated when I learned the actual meaning on the playground. It also reinforced the idea that to be gay was bad, shameful, taboo. The consequences of the American education system not teaching grammar and usage anymore becomes a disadvantage when learning a second language. It would have been helpful to have been taught at least a basic understanding of sentence structure and parts of a sentence. The discussion of PCE language makes me think of different terms for migrants based on class/political/social status: refugees, illegal aliens, economic migrants, digital nomads, expats. These carry such different emotional connotations and legal repercussions. I found the whole discussion on authority really interesting. Towards the end he lists the qualifications of a modern technocratic authority, and I realized these are the elements that also make a good video essayist: passionate devotion, reason and accountability, experience, exhaustive and tech-savvy research, an even and judicious temperament (ok maybe this one's not necessary), and humble integrity.

Chandler Sterling

Hey y'all! In honor of dialects and stickin' it to Academic English, I will give it my best shot to speak in my native tongue of Southern English (born in Memphis, TN and raised in North Mississippi). I'm not really sure when, but at a young age I went from a drawlin' Southerner to a pretty nebulous "American" accent that I've kept up ever since. Learning at such a young age how negatively Americans tend to think of Mississippi-born folk convinced me that I needed to sound "properly educated" in order to be taken seriously, and my biggest complaint as a child was that I was not taken seriously enough. Between self-consciousness and the American school system flattening all oddities into a nice and orderly single-file line, it isn't too hard to imagine why most other kids in my grade developed a similarly flat accent after some time. I do find that when I'm nervous/flustered/angry I slip back into droppin' my g's and dragging out my vowels (one of which I can replicate, and the other you'll just have to imagine for me). Not too relevant to the essay, but a fun fact about my personal journey in English before unpacking such a dense text. I was immediately struck by how invitin' the footnotes were to me. I almost never pay much attention to footnotes cause they never get placed in convenient spots in a sentence, and I already get too distracted when I read as is. After noticin' how much of a page was taken by the first Interpolation though, I knew this was worth payin' attention to. The way the footnotes were structured reminded me a lot of a book called House of Leaves with it's almost sitcom level of maintainin' multiple plot lines simultaneously. The constant nestin' of thoughts within thoughts and tangent upon tangent made for a grippin' read. It felt like DFW drew me to the side during a lecture just to gush about this topic he couldn't get enough of, and I appreciated his candor even when it was a bit arrogant and rude. The third footnote and first Interpolation had me sold on the whole essay. The vulnerability of a self-described SNOOT to admit that in bein' so SNOOTy, ya become a bit afraid that one day ya might meet the person who out-SNOOTs ya showed a level of awareness I didn't expect. It felt a bit like lampshading though. Bein' vulnerable about gettin' judged by your audience is nice an' all, but couldn't that editing have been better put towards makin' the essay less worthy of judgement? I dunno, that feels harsh, but maybe I'd be less critical if I didn't read the second half of the essay. Not much to say on that second half that hasn't been said better and with more capital "A" Authority by others, so I'll refer you to posts higher up the chain for that. On to more positive things! I enjoyed the sections on Discourse Communities and how they are often inscrutable by design. Thinkin' 'bout the "How do you do fellow kids" meme. Or maybe the AI peddlers who try to use their Computerese to outmaneuver actual conversations 'bout why we would even need AI in the 6 billionth new field this week. Obviously obsessed with the position he takes on folks who use Academic English and how their vagueness isn't just annoying, but an intentional, if potentially subconscious, extension of a fear of having a "wrong idea." Can't argue with a sentence you don't understand! (The equivalent of "winning chess" by replacing all your pieces with Monopoly tokens.) I don't even care that it was probably part of his Ethical Appeal, I will enjoy any dunk on the unproductive way that academics write. Especially interested in DFW's argument that usage geeks are necessary in the social development of social dynamics between children. Not sure if I agree at all, it felt a little too much like projection to convince me, but I'm interested none the less. "The American Conversation is an Argument, after all..." No comment, just thought that was a good line. The ending bit about the Greek triangle of rhetoric that is ethos, logos, and pathos was a nice way to win back some favor after running through some touchier subjects (rather poorly imo). I liked that he wants to draw a lot of attention to the hardest part to spot in an argument, the person doing the arguing. He touches in many different places, mostly footnotes, that it is fallacious to assume anyone other than you agrees with your stance, so it's good that he brought those threads to a close at the end because I think it's one of his stronger points. Thought the whole thing was insightful if a bit too SNOOTy for my taste sometimes. Bordered on intentionally dense at places, but in a way that felt more intentional than I was used to, so I'll personally let it slide (no judgement if it got on your nerves though). English can be a beautiful language, but it can also be elitist and really ugly. This essay definitely made me more aware of it's potential on both fronts, and if nothing less, I'm grateful for that. Kinda lost the threat on talkin' real Southern like somewhere in there, just like I did when I was younger. Poetic or lazy? Don't know, only kinda care. See y'all soon!

Natthew Lee

This is my first time reading David Foster Wallace. I love this guy’s overlong sentences and silly little turns of phrase (SNOOTlets, pants as an androsartorial norm, IT guy fixing the computer with two occult keystrokes). It’s so silly! You can tell he’s having a lot of fun and has been writing and caring about writing long enough to loosen up and play around while still keeping you entirely engaged. You cannot doubt his mastery of SWE, which establishes his Authority to speak on it here. Love the structure, the House of Leaves / Pale Fire footnote maze type beat is just really fun and more engaging for me than reading big homogenous rectangle blocks of text every page. Love the ergodic little footnote journeys he goes on. A footnote is like the author stepping to the side and whispering something in your ear. There’s a little bit of shame in a footnote “oh this isn’t important enough to put in the main text, i know everyone won’t read this but maybe you’ll find it interesting… 🥺👉👈” But also the sort of cagey pulling you aside of it all belies a lack of confidence. Like he doesn’t want to say the often personal shit in the footnotes out loud with his full chest in 12-point font. But it works. The medium is the message. Even the way his vulnerability is obscured is illustrative of his feelings and thought structure. His tone is also SO pedantic and condescending sometimes. The differences between Spoken English and SWE is something I’m going to hold in my head as we zoom off to Mister Postman and his TV talk next time. The rigidity he describes as existing in the Dictionary Establishment feels a lot looser now? Seems like every year they’re adding Selfie or FOMO or some shit to the dictionary. Maybe because we are all more exposed to different dialects as the one big forum that is the internet causes ingroups to collide more often than they did before. FN 29: “some sort of 100 percent compendious real time megadictionary” - this guy just described Urban Dictionary dot com in his reductio ad absurdum footnote example. The world has changed so much in 25 years. FN 56: “(the skirt-in-school scenario was not personal stuff, though, FYI) Stop pulling your punches you no-homo-seinfeld-not-like-there’s-anything-wrong-with-that mother fucker. He talks like he’s above it all throughout the whole thing but he is just as much bound by his context as anyone else. The way this guy talks sometimes is exactly what people from my home in the American Southwest don’t like about “coastal elites” from the Northeast of the USA. I liked it! A lot of interesting stuff, but ultimately a little too SNOOTy for me. ok byeee xoxo nAtthew

annie liz

oh brother i'm so fucking late ahahahaha it's cool it's cool it’s fine hello hi what's good? this essay kicked my ass ! For these book clubs, I normally prefer reading in physical books to audiobooks for the physical benefits of endless paragraph restarts, back-and-forth reference, and of course, my darling best friends Underlines and Margin Notes. For this, my brain was deeply thrown off by the initial format, so I went back to my college strategy of double-whammying it; simultaneously reading and listening to the audiobook at the same time. This was marvelous, not just because it helped my dumb brain digest the words on the basic level, but I got to hear with the intended TONE with which they were written, while still visually absorbing the artistic map of the written essay. I loved this. It made the humor more prevalent, the snark more dynamic, and even the dense linguistics a bit more understandable. I still had to read it 4 times to write this comment with any degree of confidence, but what else is new? I found myself split between fronts throughout this essay. 1) “WOW Wallace is smart, I’d love to learn from him, he’s clearly spent years accumulating this knowledge and expertise and I enjoy listening to it” And 2) “I’d loathe this guy if I ever had a conversation with him oh my GOD.” He’s funny, intelligent, excited about his topic, and eager to share it with the world! He’s an excellent writer! These are good qualities! The format was engaging, and I had fun darting between points and tangents (I thought to myself hey! All these fun sidebars and offshoots reminded me a of this one video essayist on youtube, but then they had the audacity to already comment on this similarity in their own personal analysis so nvm). On the other side, there’s the self-professed elitism, the condescension, the Snootery. Self-aware yet blissfully obstinate. You’d think after roasting himself for 8 footnotes Wallace would consider digging deeper inward to see if there’s anything that could productively evolve, but he reserves his shovel for Usage Wars and Middle Schoolers That Are Definitely Not Hypothetical Avatars for Wallace Himself. I respect the hustle. Phrases that made me laugh: - Linguistic boner. - Wallace’s habit of Capitalizing Important Things makes me smile. Pointing spider-man moment. Little bits I really enjoyed! 1) Descriptivist v. Perscriptivist - Loved the dissection of Descriptivism’s attachment to scientific principles, when it clearly comes down to an ETHICAL dilemma, as opposed to scientific. “It isn’t scientific behavior they’re observing, but rather a set of human behaviors, and a lot of human behaviors are—to be blunt—moronic.” Go off king! People are weird and do dumb shit! - “The whole point of establishing norms is to help us evaluate our actions (including utterances) according to what we as a community have decided our real interests and purposes are.” Mmmmmm if Wallace was slightly more predisposed to defend the ideas of Descriptivism, I could see a paragraph or so (and several footnotes) dedicated to its MORAL and ideological pursuit of Values. I don’t think I have the education or authority (ha) to write it, but I know it’s there. 2) Universal grammar – I want to know MORE about this ? Wired into our brain? Deeply intriguing. - Philosophical Descriptivism – we salute Eats, Shoots, and Leaves in this house 3) Discourse Communities – you know the meme where someone posts some Chronically Online Fandom Bullshit and someone responds with, “none of these words are in the bible”? I wonder what Wallace would think of today’s meme culture and post-vine/tiktok/twitter quotes. - Child development – I love his thoughts on this whole section, and I think there’s a TON to be unpacked in it. Us vs. Them, needing a Them to form the Us, group dynamics, social hierarchies, really fun stuff from someone who clearly did not have a childhood experience at the top of the social leaderboard. 4) The different types of unintelligible usage – the brief interpolation on Academic English, Presidential English, and BusinessSpeak resonated in my skull; my current job is full of these silly little nonsensical sentences, and nothing has ever made me more willing to run into a brick wall. It produces a unique and spicy anger. The most frustrating thing—as many others have noted—is that despite all the analysis and deconstruction of the rules of the people who want to make the rules around language and communication, the conclusion is a little too defeatist. Like yes, we just went on a whole deep dive past the stereotypes of Usage War Camps and discussed their core goals and interests and stakes and these things are worth exploring!!! And he just goes “yeah… wild. anyways…” He cares so much about SWE as it IS, but pushes away those who seek to explore the potential of what it could be because he doesn’t consider it useful. It’s passion and passivity colliding. Wallace claims a Democratic Spirit, WANTS to embody the Democratic Spirit, but falls short when encountering more snoot-tinted glass houses. The self-effacing “I’m a snoot too and it fucked up my childhood probably” richens his argument and grants him a unique perspective that positively contributes to the essay, but it doesn’t serve his analysis of the two Camps. To be clear, he doesn’t call Prescriptivists perfect, but his largest criticisms tend to be directed towards smaller subgroups; Snoots who are Wrong, Doctrinaire Prescriptivists, Prescriptivists who aren’t the cool kids. His analysis of Descriptivists, however, feels broader, and far more universally condemning. It just feels a lot like the first half of ZMM, where the narrator is describing the differences between classical and romantic styles—ostensibly as equals—but the syntax consistently decorates the more emotional side with dismissal. I struggle with this criticism because I do believe there are Better Ways of Communicating and those ways are improvable, teachable, and true. I don’t think everything is relative, I don’t think you should add “cause there’s like nuance to it, right?” to every conversation to avoid the mortifying ordeal of taking a stronger stance (shoutout town hall ayoo); I just wiggle with his conclusion that “Garner is great because he did the Prescriptivist thing without seeming like a bad guy.” I’m also a generally emotional/romantic person at my core, so every time an intellectual declares feelings as innately silly and less valid when they’re used to observe and connect it makes me squirm. This is likely a me-problem. Yes, the world is hard and mean and you have to deal with living in inconvenient ways, but also I like to work to make it better? Kinder? I’m getting off track. I have no conclusion other than this essay was hard work but work that was worthwhile, and I’m glad I read it :)) I like thinking about things with you all.