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The Future of the Carry-over Effect (Patreon)

Published:
2024-04-17 17:49:33
Imported:
2026-06

Poll

The Future of the Carry-over Effect

  • I don’t like it at all. Just let the rotation keep stories updating regularly and let the more popular stories keep on going! 36
  • I like seeing less popular stories getting some love, so the carry over effect works for me! 262
  • Get rid of it in the Ranma only poll. Three stories and removing a poll winner the next month will let the Ranma fic winner rotate enough. 61
  • Just give yourself more votes! That way you can work on what you want one poll out of three every month. 79
  • Maybe remove some of the less popular stories? If they aren’t popular enough to win on their own… 21
  • 2024-04-17
  • 459 votes
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Content

Happy hump day, all. 

This is a numbers only poll about the future of the carry over effect.  This means that everyone gets just one vote, and unlike the weighted polls which I routinely use, what you see is what the poll is.

Anyway, I have noticed this year that the carry-over effect is having… well the effect I want it to.  It lets stories that have gone a long time between updates get some love.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.  In the Ranma poll, which only has three choices, it seems to just keep the winner rotating.  But I know that occasionally the carry-over effect (1/2 of the votes the story that has gone the longest time without updates from last month carried over into the new poll) bothers some people.  I am also a bit thrown off by how much it has mattered in the Ranma poll. I mean, I know Stallion is my most popular Ranma fic, but it lost once recently because of the carry-over effect.

Occasionally it has even thrown things off in the patron only poll.  It feels as if it is a bit too much sometimes, and at other times, too little.  Bhaalson Remodel for example, and even Heroes of the High Seas, need even more help than the carry-over effect can give. Magic of the Force  also doesn’t do so well when paired against Fate and FILFy.  Even combined with my own votes it isn’t enough at times. Yet at the same time, it occasionally throws up shockers, as it did in this month’s poll.  Now, I’m not complaining about that, but I know it sometimes irritates some of you. So here is a numbers only poll to let you all tell me what you think about it. 

 

1.      I don’t like it at all.  Just let the rotation keep stories updating regularly and let the more popular stories keep on going!

This would mean removing the carry over effect entirely.  I don’t like the idea, but it might let me push FILFy at least even faster to it’s conclusion, so it’s got something going for it.  My Magic, Bhaalson and Climbing fans though might disagree.

2.      I like seeing less popular stories getting some love, so the carry over effect works for me!

Everything stays the same.

3.      Get rid of it in the Ranma only poll.  Three stories and removing a poll winner the next month will keep your Ranma fics rotating through on its own.

This year, of the three Ranma polls, the carry-over effect propelled the winner to victory twice, and made a victory become overwhelming once.  So in that manner, it seems to be working, but it has also thrown off the results at least one, back in January when Stallion was beaten out because of the carry-over effect and a few of my larger patrons liking to shift their votes. I will be interested to see if people have enjoyed seeing it used here.

4.      Just give yourself more votes! That way you can work on what you want one poll out of three every month. 

Here again it feels like if I give myself more than the 400 votes I have already I would be stealing the poll away from the voters. Something I want to avoid. Yet I also want to update all the stories I am currently working on…

Seriously, folks.  Just one little clone… just one.  It would make things so much easier.

5.      Maybe remove some of the less popular stories? If they aren’t popular enough to win on their own…

Self-explanatory.  Magic has very rarely won against Fate, let alone FILFy.  Climbing Together is popular, but takes time and votes from Making Waves, which means the more votes allow HP to carry the day one way or another. Heroes and Bhaalson needed my votes and the carry over effect and a patron raising his donation to win.  If I remove a few of these, we streamline the whole process. But in so doing we leave fics behind that I enjoy writing a lot, and I would infuriate the fans of those specific fics. 

 

I will be very interested in seeing everyone’s opinion here.  Mind you, I am making no promises on following anyone suggestion, but I will certainly read any opinions offered.  It seems to me the carry-over effect is the best solution on so far, but I might need some tweaking, and maybe you all have better ideas that will still me, only one man folks, update all the stories so everyone is, if not satisfied, then at least understanding.

Comments

Primordial Vortex

As far as I'm concerned, a writer should be able to write what they want. That's why I do zero votes at all. I would only let the fans choose what I write if I was hard stuck and floundering. My muse would scream if I wanted to work on something and couldn't. As such, I voted for giving yourself more votes. Staying as is would be my second choice.

B3ast5200

I normally like to wait several chapters before I even check out a new story of yours. So I definitely don't vote for several. But if they never get chapters then id never read them. I like a few chapters to get into the core of a story to see if I will keep with it for the long haul. I just started climbing together and In the middle of chapter 4. It will definitely be catching my vote when Stallion is off the rotation.

Hiryo

For me this carry over effect I really really love!

Jeffrey Smith

Write what you want for 1 of the 3 stories every month. I would estimate you publish 100,00 to 200,000 words every month not even counting rewrites. I know we pay for Patreon but this is still a creative process and 1 you should enjoy doing. The only thing I would change would be not starting a new story until an ongoing 1 is finished.

Pyrohelix

Had a thought while reading this and figured might as well share it. In the event several stories aren't getting the votes they need, be it coming in last each time or just not winning, why not throw them into a "Dealer's Choice" poll that substitutes one of the other polls on a given month. This could either be a voted on substitution where a 'you pick' option is added to a poll or certain conditions could be set that would trigger it. That way, if there's a story being neglected that you *Really* want to write, there is a way to have that happen.

Slick458

You can do what you want really but I’m a fan of Bhaalson remodel and I’m afraid without the carry over it wouldn’t get updated

Phyr

Drop it to only 1/4 votes carry over as opposed to 1/2? I read quite a few of your stories so I would like even the unpopular stories to get something every so often.

Darkwingedeagle

I like the concept and I can see why it’s needed. But I can also understand how it sometimes feels like too much or not enough. One way that might help it is to have it do a bit more for stories that haven’t updated in a significant enough a,Lu t of time while dropping the initial amount. So for example maybe 25% at first with an extra 10% for every month the story hasn’t been updated. It would help lessen the impact on the Ranma poll while helping something like remodel that goes quite a while between updates.

Jay Emberhowl

Maybe halve the effect that way some stories still have a chance and others arent blown out the water with no chance

Gune

i like the new system of carry over but i would like to see on the polls which fic has the carry over so you dont need t go looking thru past posts to see whos getting them for the next poll

W1lliam

i would like to add the idea of, instead of carry over votes, each month also has a "author's choice" story whichh the author want to work on, so you can push stories that are almost done, or are in a critical phase that doesnt benefit from multimonth breaks between them, or to write the stories you feel like writing at that moment, to compensate, maybe remove a Poll (probably either the HP or Ranma Polls alternating?) each month. so we'd have the Patty Vote, the Ranma or HP vote and the author's choice. And i guess the FF net votes/small story poll? is that still a thing?

Real Civil Architect

I feel like you should get to pick a story yourself each month that you want to focus on. Particularly if you actually have a bit of drive to work on a story you like, even if it's not the most voted for story. You are the author here and it should be fun for you to write these stories not a chore.

Cormag81

Honestly I think it's a great way to give "unpopular" stories a chance to be updated more often while still allowing the majority of the polls to go to more "popular" stories. I do think it's a little overbearing in the ranma poll since sometimes in that poll knowing the carry over will push a particular story has effected how I personally have voted in that poll. Though in that case I still think that it should be in effect needs some adjustment maybe a smaller fraction then 1/2 of the votes Carrington over or another story added to that pool to spread the votes out a little more would do?

Andrew Yip

I think rotating through each poll with a writer's choice would be good. Each month a different poll is set aside and you can choose which project you work on, not necessarily from that poll even. This is your passion and you should have the option to work on what your muse tells you. Other than that I like the carryover effect, and just stating that you are going to work on one passion project per month removes the uncertainty and ambiguity of giving yourself more votes, which may not even help depending on the story you want to write.

Arkos Sloth

Perhaps a combination of carry over effect and removal of poll winners from rotation that next month.

Aragorn93

I enjoy all of your stories, but I will always vote for the two one piece stories. I can't deny that I'm disappointed whenever stallion isn't getting an update. I'm up for anything that will see those two get updated more often.

vimesenthusiast

FF poll is still a thing, I just tend to forget it sometimes, and other times, don't bother putting it up because I can't put two polls up there at the same time, and this month it would have been HP, which is going to be FILFy.

Justin Gremminger

Magic is one of my favorites it’s just I love fate even more so I definitely want it to continue and like getting the occasional updates

lostone2

I'm on the same boat.

W1lliam

thanks for clearing that up n a related note whats your thoughts on doing a "Vime's Choice" fic each month (or at least regularly,) possibly instead of your 400 votes?

A V

The fics that made me become a patreon are already out of the queue due to low popularity and most of the popular choices are the ones I lack interest in. If the carry-over is removed what hope do I have to see something I want to read get a new chapter?

vimesenthusiast

Funny thing is, it seems to have worked out the past few months that at least one is in the polls every month, so that's good.

vimesenthusiast

It is a thought. It would definitely be Bhaalson, Heroes, and... hmm... tough choice for the third. Problem is, I would probably want to use that instead as a way to push FILFy and Making Waves... which would defeat the purpose for most of the year... hmm...

Treant Balewood

I'm fine with the current set up, I mean it is kinda annoying when my choice losses to a carryover but not that big a deal. Alternatives you could lower carry over to 1/3 or expand it to all losing fics or both.

bill71

while this system is not perfect, it allow a certain variety of story. Without this it would be always the sames story updated. Or you could make a system of automatic fic update if not updated since a certain time but it is also not without default. No system is perfect.

vimesenthusiast

You're the second person to mention changing the amount. Interesting.

vimesenthusiast

Yeah. I love Star Wars. But I kind of loathe Disney star wars and the changes to canon they have tried to make. SW has its own politics aplenty, thank you, you can't introduce our world's concepts of social mores, politics, anything else.

Zachrey Mueller

I actually find your carry over effect, Works the best with Harry potter fix, But as you only have three ranma posts Removing the carry over effect on that 1.Until you have more ranma storyes make sense to me

Arkos Sloth

True, but more aggressively. As in stick firmly to certain stories that you know are gonna end soon, so you can free up time and effort for other projects. And don't debut new story concepts until you can lighten the rotation. That way you have a chance to work on what your muse wants instead of just what is most popular.

W1lliam

maybe just give yoursef a rule to not do the same fic as your choice twice in a row or something like that?

vimesenthusiast

Yeah, that's something I've noticed. I have been surprised twice now by the carry over effect deciding the winner in the Ranma poll rather than the voting. Kind of... off.

vimesenthusiast

Can I ask which fics? I realize that might be adding salt to the wound... sorry...

vimesenthusiast

Agreed on new stories. Being more agressive... we will see.

Steve-ho

I actually only came because I wanted magic and bhaalson. I'm wiling to put my money where my mouth is, in order to see the story continue. Now, the rest won't hold me for long, not threatening you or anything lol just saying that the other stories updated would appease your (minority?) Fans and the rest would obviously still get their popular stories. I'd love to see a minimum update for a story. Like once every 3 months no matter what the vote is. Or a regular rotation of stories and the poll would be for an extra chapter here or there. Sorry for the novel! That's your job