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Unedited Tortured Poets Reaction Part 1 (Patreon)

Published:
2024-04-23 04:58:50
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2025-07-31 01:42:26
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Here you go, divas...the anthology coming later this week!

Comments

Sara woods

Omg! 😭🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍

kyla

you cranked this out so fast we’re so fed thank you !!

Marsha

I loved this so much, and laughed with you so hard!! Thank you.

Hannah

Thank you!!

Chloie 😝

Okay but do you ever take your boots off the ground? Kick your feet up and relax, perhaps??? 🧐Nodaysoffologist!!!!!

lily

the complete reaction for fortnight was fucking hilarious 😭 is this fucking record about matty healy

marie

is there subtitles for this video? love you!

Shay Aragundi

You’re too good to us snakes🐍🤍😭

Aliza Lieb

you are a legitimately precious specimen on this earth

violetta

Oh thank you Zach. Looking forward for your insights once all this new music sinks in!

Autumn

Alright, this reaction is the closest I'll get to hearing the album again myself for the first time ☺️🤍 you're the best, thank you!!!

V

I think if Joe DIDN’T cheat she would’ve made that clear… I doubt we will get overt and dramatic declarations of what happened like in The moment I knew or Babe, simply because she has grown up as a writer and I think prefers subtlety now. Let people read into it and understand if they’re interested. She’s a bit more refined and sophisticated in her writing now. Like I doubt 34 year old Taylor post folkevermore would write “Since you ADMITTED IT, I keep IMAGINING her lips ON YOUR NECK” or whatever the lyrics are in babe

Bnans

i love that you pointed out the cursive singing in loml, i thought i was going crazy

Erin S

I’m not sure either of them straight up cheated in the traditional sense, but I think they were both so unhappy that there probably were thoughts being had of others by both parties, or time spent confiding in others rather than each other, which fueled fears/suspicion in both of them that the other was cheating. I knew a couple who had been married over 20 years, raised two adult sons, were faithful members of our church and faithful to each other… except that at some point the husband developed a friendship with a woman that the wife eventually felt had crossed the line into emotional adultery because he was opening up to this other woman and discussing things with her that should have been discussed with the wife. If he’d been speaking to a licensed counselor, it wouldn’t have been considered cheating in her mind… but since it was with this other woman (who I think they had both been friends with), she saw it as infidelity. Ultimately, the friendship with this other person wasn’t the thing that broke them up… there were underlying cracks and that friendship was just the pressure under which the whole thing broke apart. They had been a growing apart over those decades in ways that hadn’t been obvious in the daily habit of being married to one another.

Lyndsey

Can't stop laughing at the Labyrinth hate "pop pop!"

Figment

As much as, “I Can Fix Him (No Really I Can)” is a snooze, it’s so necessary for the story

Vanessa Vieites

He avoids ME like the plague lol I can do it with a broken heart is giving more Matty than Joe

Vanessa Vieites

Loml sounds like a Matty song. “Should’ve let it stay buried” (they had their thing in 2014). Sounds like someone you had a thing with and went back to later on but it didn’t work out and you regret it

Erin S

It’s going to take several more re-listenings of TTPD and revisiting some older albums to mine all the clues (collect all the bones 😉), but I think why it’s been so hard to “paternity test” these songs is because several of them seem to be about both relationships simultaneously, which seems to kind of echo how the Matty relationship was always kind of simmering on the side while she was committed to Joe. That every time she and Joe were in a fight or on a break, Matty was there as a friend who was keen for something more should she ever be really available. There are songs where one verse seems to be mainly about Joe then the next mainly about Matty and then the references to each seem to intertwine in choruses and bridges. I think both hurt her the same and differently… both seemed to promise her forever, then break those promises. With one, it took 6 years, the other just 2 weeks. Some songs even seem to weave in how an individual love interest and the music industry and her fans and the media all have broken her heart. She’s really gone from writing songs about singular moments and events in her early years to writing songs that are woven from multiple experiences… like a braid. All in all, I don’t actually care that much about which song is about which person for the purposes of gossip or judgment. But I am fascinated with her songwriting and the motifs she uses that point to specific individuals or events and how those “artifacts” were present in past songs but we needed the reference points of newer songs to connect the dots. I like the additional understanding it gives me of the songs as I am then better able to relate to them. And the thing is, she trained us to do this! So ultimately, I think it’s what people do with the clues they collect and the dots they connect that’s potentially problematic… not the act of doing it at all. (As some seem to be criticizing in their articles.)

Jade

Watching Zach slowly realize there songs on the album about the rat is so funny (also same, Zach, same.)

Jackie Lehman 💅🏼

I dont know how y'all keep composure listening to these... you truely can do it with a broken heart! Pro-fesh-onal!!! 😘

Jade

Zach, if you ever wanna talk more about Taylor's (bizarre and confusing) choices for singles I'd love to hear! Both you and Madline mentioned that Down Bad could have been the first single (I agree) and like, Fortnight is fine but it's not the strongest song on the album, so I'm kinda confused as to why she picked that one over others. But also, it's kind of a pattern with her, so yeah I was wondering if you had thoughts on why she tends to pick lead singles that are technically weaker than other songs on the album? I'd love to hear you talk about it in a vid sometime, if you want!

Keller, Janna

I loved watching your reaction. I have to imagine my facial expressions were something similar to yours my first listen. You always make me enjoy Taylor's music even more.

Jade

Also, just wanted to say I really appreciate your reactions and song analysis! Your reactio vids helped me connect with and understand the album more, and you always have such thoughtful and insightful takes. So, thanks!

Jade

"Are we dancing, or are we having a mental breakdown" MOOD

amy c

Not lyric related, but....I just got the pre-ordered CD in the mail. I thought it was supposed to come with little tickets, ephemera, etc? But it's just the standard CD. If I'd known it was that I would have picked up a CD at Target last Friday and saved myself the shipping cost! Kind of disappointed.

amy c

I have the digital Anthology....love this album overall. So sad though!😔

Emily M

Yesss been waiting for this!! Thanks Zach!

Lyndsey

I never knew a man could be smaller than Joe Alwin but Matty Healy said "actually....I can!"

madfem

the limited collector edition CDs were only available for a short period of time back when she was announcing the diff variants in the months before the release. if you purchased it recently it was not that.

amy c

Thanks, yes I ordered it as soon as it was announced

Tia

I just love how Zach had this entire album figured out 1 song in

Arrow Sparrow

I know you don't think The Alchemy is about Travis which is fair and it doesn't matter that much to me lol but I did just want to offer the perspective that the "that child's play back in school / is forgiven under my rule" doesn't necessarily have to refer to a return to a lover, but can also refer to childish games - such as Kiss/Marry/Kill. That was my interpretation of that line! Just figured I'd suggest it still as a possibility :)

Kay Wolfy

Thank you Zach! My fav reaction of yours to "but daddy I love him" Taylor's breaking the fourth wall so much like she's in her Flea Bag era

Laurel

The more I listen the more I love it. I also love the Anthology though there are a few skips like Peter/Robin that just make me too sad in ways I don’t want rn. The Black Dog, The Prophecy and So High School are highlights for me. So High School should be a single, it gives off happy summer vibes.

maryna

even though he did not want it to be true :-P

Susannah Wallace

Someone said that the beat in ‘I can do it with a broken heart’ sounds like the count in in ear monitors that keeps singers on beat if they’re dancing 🥹🥹

@heyitsmekirstie

Zach going “OKAY. well.” after 🎶 “the jokes were revolting and far too loud.” 🎶 killed me 🤣🤣

LH

Did it occur to you all that Taylor called herself an idiot in TTPD? Now who else has ever done that?

Mia Mar

This album confused me so much because I just couldn’t fathom it was ab matty. I was even like joe and pills?!? Joe and Marcus!?!? But nooooooo it was about the RAT Also the way the Lucy mentioned is prob Lucy dacus has me screaming

amandasoul

zackkk! i am so happy i joined😂😂😂 the unedited version is where it’s at

Mary beth

i know right! he 100% got it in the first song. This video is proof Zach is the MASTER Swiftologist and parseltongue translator. All others must bend the knee

Michelle M.

“I don’t think Matty Healy has the arm strength to lift a pistol” 🤣

V

The “August” interview in longpond haunts me to this day. I’m so serious. When Jack says “What I love about August is that it’s not a dream. The situation feels very close to me”. And Taylor talks about how Augustine isn’t a villain and was blindsided by James going back to Betty. That’s what made me feel like Taylor is maybe both Betty and Augustine to different guys. And maybe James is a composite sketch of matty and Joe. That would explain how she said cardigan is about Matty but also gave the vibe that is was about Joe when writing Betty with him and other things, and kinda referencing Joe and the invisible string in the cardigan video that turns into willow (which is all about the invisible string). it would just explain how James can feel like both of those guys. I just doubt that she would be masochistic enough to write august about the perspective of a different girl if she was indeed hurt by Joe at some point, in whatever way. Also how Jack says that his entire view of the song is forever changed when Taylor says that august isn’t only referring to the month, but that it’s the girls name. I think Jack reacts like that bc it then turns into Augustine feeling “sipped away like a bottle of wine” in the situation. And then it’s less about a dreamy shimmering august fading into time and much more sinister - feeling used. And Taylor did refer to herself as a bottle of priceless wine lost in a current on willow. I could be totally delusional about this but it’s just something I can’t stop thinking about. Like is she Betty to Joe and August to Matty? Idk… Matty is referenced so heavily on folkevermore

Aidan

“Okay elephant vocoder” at the start of ‘down bad’ LMFAOOOO

Miranda Roberts

Zack’s reaction to but daddy I love him should be the official music video.

Rachel_Jennette

I looove your unedited versions 😭 same notes babe same notes

V

Also, I agree that speculating who the songs are about is getting tiring. It’s kinda sad that it has to come to this, but I will actually shut down speculation once and for all, and reveal that she actually wrote this album about my ex in my last situationship. So guys, let it go (meant to be a joke haha)

Eden McFadden

This is an interesting read! That makes sense to me. I also do think it’s about Travis. People might be reading into it too much. All the football references and where it’s placed on the album makes me think it’s like smallest man is the last fuck you and then alchemy is her falling back in love again

Sydney

The gag is that Gaylors were on to something but the ruse was really for the rat😭

V

Wait what did the Gaylors say? That she was being suspiciously quiet before the drop or something? 🤣

Marla Stecki

"IT wasn't sexy once it wasn't forbidden ". God help me!

Marla Stecki

Zach, ty for telling me I need to DM you for the Dischord link but I can't figure out HOW to DM u from this page? I really would like to talk to some fellow "non delusional " fans who also get it.

Marla Stecki

Absolutely, it's about MUSES not necessarily Individuals.

Marla Stecki

Every time I listen to this Record, I'm MORE astounded! This girl,I mean this girl..." best living song writer" PERIOD.

Marla Stecki

I think the Charlie Puth line was definitely from ACTUAL events and was SUPPOSED to be absurd, not serious. They were HIGH.

Emily

Lol I thought the same thing! All these theories about harboring a secret forbidden love and it’s like…. well, yes!

Lauren B

Love love love this perspective

Sydney

Basically what that other comment said^^ but the gaylors said that recurrent theme of a forbidden love folklore/evermore/midnights just had to be in reference to a secret lesbian relationship

Annabel Freer

Ok so what I've been thinking about today is the idea that Matty has been 'swirled into her poems' in 'lowercase' - do we think 'this is me trying' was inspired by her friendship with matty? There are a few lyrical parallels with this song and what she's saying about the rat in ttpd...idk mind blown to be honest

Abby

Really love this take and 100% agree!

AP

Narcotic Turkey 😭😭😭😭

h

I think so! I also think Right Where You Left Me, Illicit Affairs, and Cowboy Like Me are about him too.

Lia Russo

I love how you address Taylor as if she’s your friend that you’ve known forever… there’s the scary parasocial side of that but you’re relating to her in a more healthy and relatable way. I don’t know if that makes sense, but I feel like it’s what draws me to your & Madeline’s content. Like you love her and celebrate her but will also call her out or be like “girl”

V

I really do think cowboy like me is about Matty. it is, at its core, a song about two people that have a way with words. She basically predicted the entire relationship there as well, forever is the sweetest con

Angela H

Watching you go into your T expecting Joe and slowly having the matty realization is so validating. I went into it with the Joe glasses so firmly affixed to my face that I could not see the album clearly at all on the first listen. Wish I had read the epilogue first but it’s also kind of fun to be messed with and have your mind blown when you realize.

Aidan

Where can we watch this madeline reaction to cruel summer ?? I need it NEOW😭

Lain Pierce

I most definitely was not expecting this album. Took me days to get over it.

V

Coney Island kinda reads like Taylor’s apology to Joe. “Sorry for not making you my centerfold” makes sense if she meant that she was dreaming of Matty way more than we ever realized, and also caught up in her “merry go round” of a life. She says “Were you standing in the hallway with a big cake?” And we know she refers to Joe that way a lot. Exile: left me standing holding all this love out here in the hall. Maroon: you were standing hollow eyed in the hallway

V

Wait my theory about Taylor being Betty and Augustine at different times could have something to it if people think right were you left me is about matty. If he left her way back in 2014 to focus on someone else, then it does kinda makes sense that august is about Matty. Especially bc of what she said in the longpond interview about it. That or I’m just a broken solider. Oh and Matty said in his song about T that he felt he could get better when they were together. And august says back when we were still changing for the better. Like her feeling hope that matty could get better and herself pre snake gate when people didn’t say she was changing for the worse

SitOnYourFace

I am having such a hard time deciding why there are very little Joe tracks on this album. Either it was not a great relationship, but there had to be something good in it and she doesn't want to roast him, or there's way too much to unpack and she was already writing this about Matty and we would need another 30 tracks to add Joe to the mix, OR, not talking about him is a bigger roast than talking about him. Also, Joe seems too fucking lame to bother roasting, Matty is much more fun to burn down. Either way I have been euphoric since it released, someone needs to study this woman's brain after she dies.

V

Also in honour of Van Gogh being with Madeline on her TTPD journey I feel like I have to recommend Vincent (starry starry night) by Don McLean to anyone who hasn’t heard it. (“I could’ve told you Vincent, this world was never meant for one as beautiful as you”) dedicated to all our tortured poets here! And to Taylor (“Eyes that know the darkness in my soul. Weathered faces lined in pain, are soothed beneath the artists loving hand)

🌷Elle🌷

I need her to stop giving ugly men chances because they get bragging rights and she only gets regret lmao

🌷Elle🌷

I have a theory. It seems as if her and Ratty had been in contact for years before this album dropped, while she was still with Joe. As a fellow hopeless romantic, sometimes our minds are one track. I wouldn't doubt it if her main muse at the moment was the love and heartbreak of the rat rather than Joe. He already inspired many songs and two whole albums. There is a possibility of her decompressing everything that happened during the relationship in more detail at a later time when she's more settled, though that would depend on Travis and how much he inspires her. I feel like the love bombing and love creeping from Matt took over her mind and it explains why this album is basically mostly him, because she had been enchanted and in love with the IDEA she had of him. People can be anything they want in words (and she was so desperate for love and a family that she believed every single one he fed her), but only their actions speak.

Annabel Freer

Yessss I was thinking about cowboy like me !!

V

Oh… oh that’s… oh no…. I am actually in disbelief. This is… this is worse than I ever could’ve imagined

V

And someone said End Game is about Matty too. Bc they both had negative/big reputations at the time. And Ed’s verse is about reconnecting with someone when older, I know it’s about his gf but still. “You’re so dope, don’t overdose”

Jessa Jayne

I think she already wrote the Joe songs.

Krista Dabel

So High School sounds like it should be on the soundtrack of She’s All That. 😍

Krista Dabel

Zaaaachhhh, the maniacal laughing after “is this whole f’king record about Matty Healy” is all of us. 🤣🤣🤣 So (im)patiently waiting for the Anthology reaction! 🙏🏼 Can’t wait!

Krista Dabel

Omg how far do we have to go back to reexamine!? 😫 im questioning everything!

Zahra Khan

love this. is the anthology reaction from Zach already out? Do i need to move up tiers to see it?

maryna

32:08-32:09 is my favorite zack moment (well, second) of all time! 😅

Nicole Ouimette

I think the first four songs are a foreword and then track 5 begins the first chapter of this whole debacle. I’ve listened to this album 10 times at least and each time I come away with new insights.

V

“You’re so dope, don’t overdose”🫠😫 starting to think he’s always been there to some extent

SitOnYourFace

The more I think about it, the more I agree. Also, how big of a burn is it to end a 6 year long relationship, then write 30 songs and half of them are talking about how you thought someone else was the one the entire time you were in that relationship? The turkey is piping hot.

Ash

Her Instagram story highlights!

Jessica

If that’s true the chorus would make way more sense! Cuz it never matched Joe for obvious reasons lol

Al

Guilty As Sin seems to about being about being… attracted to someone but not being able to act on it. “am I allowed to cry?” = is it ok that I’M sad about wanting someone else when I’m taken. Then later - “it wasn’t sexy once it wasn’t forbidden”. Even tho the record isn’t much about her long term relationship I feel like there is a semblance of unease and regret in how it all played out and feeling manipulated.

Tasha

Well… is Maroon actually about Matty? With the new “scarlet maroon” reference I’m re thinking everything!

V

Oh right I forgot about that! So much new stuff to analyze😵‍💫 Really good point. I guess it makes sense that maroon would be about matty as well. Also why does it feel like she would describe matty as maroon and not Joe… and the rubies that I gave up…. It’s giving matty

V

Yeah I agree… it’s the one song that I even back then was like… wait a second… this can’t be about Joe

Pamela F

Your reaction to But Daddy I love him and the baby line is as priceless as the song itself 🤣☠️ Absolute gag

Katie

That was my reaction as well 😂 heard the line over and over and didn’t get it until the LAST TIME and I was shook until the “no i’m not”. Girl had me!

Katie

I love that some of my fav songs were written by JUST Taylor! Who’s Afraid, The Black Dog, The Manuscript, and more… I mean I love all of them tbh, but I love to see some just by her on this record cause it’s been awhile I feel like since we’ve so many solely written by her!

Katie

when i'm having a bad day i watch you react to but daddy i love him and my mood instantly improves

maryna

haha, same!!

Christina Guzman

Christmas Day and I needed a Zach reaction video.

Ally ❤️

Not Zack immediately reading the Matty tea leaves! 🤓

Ally ❤️

Not the prescient comment about space ships during MBOBHFT!

Cindy C

Also, while listening to The Alchemy- "next time? Fight it" lmaooo

AnaSofia Meyer

this one needed a rewatch and when the realization that it’s about ratty hit you…. I cackled

AnaSofia Meyer

omg clocked 15:15 “i feel like i’m on a spaceship” right before down bad

Teresa Salas

I come back and rewatch this reaction all the time because you crack me up the whole time.

Lexi

this is my comfort video 🫶🏼cleaning my apartment to this lol🧹🫧

Katrina Kauffman

zach not hearing the baby line until the very last chorus of bdilh bc he’s too busy gagging kills me every time

James

SAMEEEE

Tom Roque

omgggg rewatching this and the way you clocked that it was about the rat at 1:43 seconds in… okay katyologist

Matt

Hi Zach. Firstly, you are incredible. Enjoy your and Madeline’s videos and analysis so much. Only new to the channel. Also. I am certain Taylor would watch your videos. There is just no way that she doesn’t. Stay awesome. Cheers

Maxine Carter

Love a good Zach reaction, where can I see Maddies reaction?

Angelo David

rewatching this after showgirl for a palette cleanse

Sarah

YES!!! same!

Matteo

LMAOOOO SAME

Belleoftheball

Can any one point me to where to rewatch Madeline’s reaction to TTPD. I want to rewatch her BDILH reaction. 🥹

Belleoftheball

I found it! It’s not categorised. But if you scroll back to April 2024 she awaits.

Lisa M

Me today 🥳

Hattie

Me today hehe

Nikita Sharma

Finally joined the Patreon . TTPD is my favorite TS album and I have listed to your TTPD reaction videos numerous times just to have that feeling of hearing it for the first time . Recently I thought about how Whose Afraid of Little old me is also could apply to Britney Spears.... "they caged me ...and they called me crazy" . in an alternate universe Taylor and Britney perform this together .

Nikita Sharma

Also I really appreciate you and Madeline's takes because they are thoughtful, eloquent , creative .. not fawning , . As a 40+ swiftie with a 12 yr old daughter I truly appreciate the use of full sentences , proper grammar and discussion on the meaning of lyrics vs the the mindless nonsense that populates the internet trying to ruin the brains and vocabulary of 12 year olds.

Sarah Risley

Had to come back and rewatch after the last episode of the docu-series... perfect pairing

Paige Evans

I can't tell you how funny this is to watch in 2026

Lepu Zhou

When the album first came out I did not have an credit card to join the patreon to watch this reaction so I wanted to ask my parents but somehow I forgot and 2 hours ago I remembered that I now have free will and a credit card so first thing I did it rewatching that reaction.

Renée Whittaker

The “But Daddy I Love Him” reaction is such a pick me up! 31:14 makes me laugh so much! Thank you Zac!

Christine

Wait, is this about Ratty Healy?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

callista

Watching this in 2026 when “my boy only breaks his favorite toys “ and Zach said “oh Joe ended it???” Is so funny to me right now

JaneyB93

Love coming back to this. Petition to hang in the Louvre? Here in 2026 and just clocking the Cowboy Like Me reference via saloon intro for Fresh Out The Slammer.

Tess

love Zach saying "you need Jesus" exactly as Taylor says "you dont gotta pray for me"

Bailey_Ann

Happy TTPD anniversary 🤍🤍

Aleatha T

Watching in 2026 to relive the greatest moment of my Taylor Swift loving life. 🤍🩶

Nefelibata

Watching in 2026 to remember this epic moment

Kelly O'Halleran

Putting my groceries away to this piece of comfort cinema😇

Marie

Lmfaooooo I love watching your BDILH reaction. the random scott borschetta lashings kafsdjhfkdsh

DietDrFetus

This is my favorite video of all time lol

DietDrFetus

It's so entertaining I keep can't stop coming back

SwiftieMoonie

This is the best reaction of all time. I think I watch it once a month lol

Amy Falls

rewatching this in 2026 just to feel like its the first time <3 this album is peak

VictoriaReadsss

Me patiently waiting for him to realize this is about the rat… but like I’ve watched this already and it’s 2 years later😭

Astrid Galetto

needed a palette cleanser after the encore, i love this video so much