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2024-05-28 18:57:12
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what started as me just being like Idk maybe some songs on Foklevermore could've been inspired by Matty spiraled into me thinking about it WAYYY too much...also at the end I share my Evermore/Anthology as one album combo playlist and share some thoughts on why The Anthology feels kinda disjointed...spoiler : it's because some songs shouldn't be there!!

You'll note Thank You Aimee is not on ANY of these playlists and to me it does not exist...thanks.

Comments

Rachel Bullock

Not y'all referring to the song as COSOSOM 😭

Swiftologist

I love calling it that I think Chloe Et Al is definitely cuter and more concise but COSOSOM makes it sound like an ancient Latin curse...which it sort of is

Abby

the high line in chelsea… hmm… wowwww

Leslie

I love how much you love COSOSOM because it's my favorite too and my initial reaction to hearing it was very much like yours (read: mental breakdown) I've also been a "cardigan and several other folkmore songs are about Matty" truther since last year but no one wants to hear it so I bite my tongue lmao!

Nikola

Let me cook… the line “leaving like a father” could be about HIS father who in fact LEFT

Erik P.

gagging at work..

Nikola

You know the greatest films of all time were never made…. You cinephile…. Oh it’s clicking (this is just me realising things while listening)

ryan

queendom

courtney

Had to pause the episode because a vision came to me unbidden when you started reading the lyrics to ivy and it's setting me on a path I don't like.. "your touch brought forth an incandescent glow" // "I've felt a glow like this never before and ever since"

Lisaboo

To me IGGYB sounds like it could have been on Reputation

Tyler

Your lizard review episode about Chloe etc is what made me go back and listen with fresh ears and appreciate it more. The anthology was kind of too overwhelming to process originally

Nikola

MEDELINE… about exile, there’s literal footage of Taylor and Matty interacting at the NME awards in 2019 and his hands are around her. I repeat, his hands, are around her. “I can see you standing darling with his hands around your body” LET ME COOK

Natalia

chasing shadows in the grocery line = Guess who we ran into at the shops? Walking in circles like she was lost

Domi Solo

I mean Cardigan as part of the freaking teenage love triangle… men apologizing… James…

Swiftologist

OHHHHH ….. THAT MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE THAN IT BEING ABOUT HER OWN BC SCOTT LEGIT HAS NEVER LEFT 😭

Leslie

"Chase two girls, lose the one" the other girl is drugs IMO (Matty often personifies heroin in his songs)

Nikola

I am currently having the worst time and it’s all thanks to you

Lachlan

Why is there a bar called “Porchlight” just a few block from the High Line? “that porch light gleam, wearing imaginary rings”. Maybe it’s all always been in Chelsea, maybe I need to go to the asylum

Domi Solo

The NME Awards were in Feb 2020. Last event before lockdown and she stumbles upon the freaking Matty Healy. With Joe there! She writes Cardigan as the first song with Dessner a week into the pandemic.

Nikola

Yeah…. Yeah…………………

Nikola

Thinking about in folklore long pond studio session Taylor said that in her mind Betty (her) and James (Matty) ended up together, cut to a couple years later on the eras tour after Joever and starting to date Matty again she says “my life finally feels like it makes sense, and it’s not just the tour”………. I am sobbing.

Domi Solo

And the “Bus Stop” bar in Chelsea…

V

40 seconds in and smiling and laughing🤣👏

Zach V

Matty referred to himself as a cowboy at the NME awards in 2020 when Taylor was in attendance

Nikola

Guys check out the first draft lyrics of Cardigan… they click

Laine Wagner

go rewatch the lavender haze music video…you will lose it.

Natalia

takes one to know one = like i lost my twin?! wtf….

Zach V

Matty also referred to himself as a cowboy in his speech there

Julissa J

Anyone else have “ I Can See You” as a Matty song, I know it’s a Speak Now song but she definitely messes with the “vault songs” timeline so I definitely feel like she could have wrote it recently and just threw it on that album.

Haoua Cisse

Willow relating to ratty is actually interesting not in the total comprehension of the lyrics but the link in the music video with Cardigan and the kids part + why the man is not here all the way (they found and lost each other) and when she arrived at the end of the thread of gold they are finally together. It would be really insane tho 💀💀

Leslie

Also at that same event, Matty gave a speech about "being a cowboy." I invite everyone to look it up and watch it and then think about cowboy like me and the cowboy imagery on TTPD (e.g. I Can Fix Him)

sophia

“if you never bleed you’re never gonna grow” it never clicked to me until hearing that just now that that is a mfcking 1975 lyric from Robbers…. and then they used it again in Roadkill on their album that came out around when folklore did ….. hold on ….. EDIT: actually ellen that’s not true you flop on Robbers they only say “if you never shoot you’ll never know- and if you never eat you’ll never grow” …. but,… he says both in Roadkill so….

JJ

What’s interesting is that Cardigan was written on April 28, 2020. And there’s a video of Taylor and matty running into each other on 12 February 2020 at the NME awards, which was one of their first interactions in years. Taylor seemed extremely excited. A quote from Beabadoobee from the event: “Taylor’s so ethereal, So badass, I was like ‘Holy shit!’ She was walking towards me and I’m like, ‘She’s going to Matty [The 1975] not me.’ And then she comes up to me and I’m like… I vomited in my mouth. I couldn’t believe it.” One could say the NME are the reason for half of the songs on folklevermore

Nicole Ouimette

“Swirled you into all of my poems” I meannnnn folklore evermore being pure poetry

Jordan

This is a lot for a Tuesday Madeline

Greg

There’s an interesting idea about cowboy like me if it’s about her & Matty. The idea of being a “cowboy like me” could allude to them being songwriters. The idea of exploiting different people for money maybe alludes to using other people as muses-to make music, make a career, get money. Idkkkk this is kinda delululu but I could see this song being, on some level, a fanfic about her & matty 😭

Drose

Matty made a speech at an award show they were both at in 2020 about how artists should try to be cowboys as in innovators

Zach V

I was listening to Roadkill the other day and noticed ‘touch down and run to my connection’. ‘Touch down call the amateurs and cut em from the team’

Leslie

"the old widow goes to the stone every day, but I don't, I just sit here and wait" / "still alive, killing time at the cemetery"

Aiden Smith

“I think Ivy could be about Matty Healy…” I just vomited

Gianna

Sorry but Gold Rush… “I can’t dare to dream about you anymore…” “At dinner parties I call you out on your CONTRARIAN SHIT” “it fades into the gray of my day old tea CAUSE IT COULD NEVER BE” it fits too well for the rat……

Leslie

"It can never be" "It just never happened" I mean...

Rachel Bullock

And that's completely valid!! I see a way it can be heard in a more aesthetic way. I just have a stroke reading it through as it's spelled every single time without fail 😭

Rachel Bullock

^^never related to anything more lol

Alicia

The porch light refrences is what first struck me from both albums. But 'cowboy like me' - that opened my mind yo

Marianna D

Oh wow what a ride for an episode. I’ve been wondering lately how TTPD changes perception of folkevermore and you delivered 👏

Rachel Bullock

This is either meth math (...almost literally lol) or genius and I'm too busy to go check on you bc I need a refresher on context or the ability to sit and recontectualize because this is a fascinating read...

G

Girrrrrl yes ur cookin and I’ve been prepping/preheating/marinating etc .

G

But I make them all about my life when I listen so it’s okay

Yasmin

YES FINALLY MY PRAYERS FOR THIS EP HAVE BEEN ANSWERED! And tbh it went exactly how I expected...ending in a mental breakdown. Me too girl, me too. This is why I simply cannot face any other album than TTPD right now! EVERYTHING IS CHANGINGGGGGGG !!!!!!! It's not ok. I'm frowning

Erika Fern 🌿

She literally told us folkevermore are about Matty in Guilty As Sin? “I keep my longings locked in lowercase…” I mean cmon! It was right there for all of us!!

Erika Fern 🌿

In TTPD she says she lost her “twin” so I agree that she thinks about Matty as someone very similar to her

Katie Prinkey

… so he jokes that it’s heroin but this time with an E …

Natalia

yes! I had this thought too

Natalia

i listened to this at work this morning and i am still thinking about it! you really cooked, madeline… wish i could unrecall how ivy is now about matty 🥲

Leslie

"I keep these longings locked in lower case inside a vault" which albums have track titles in lower case?

Meredith Mettetal

I completely think her 3 albums leading to TTPD have Matty and of course heirloom turkey

Leslie

"this happens once every few lifetimes" "once in twenty lifetimes" Just thought about this one lol

G

yes ivy is guilty as sin with a wig but let’s just leave ivy and cowboy like me out of the matty timeline

teklok

"takes one to know one, you're a cowboy like me" "like i lost my twin" .... i'm not saying anything

Ari

And all the film references in Exhile...understudy, seen this film before, etc. But didn't she say Joe came up with the whole first lyric? Not that I'm certain I ever believed that...lol.

Laine Wagner

I now read “sensual politics” as her not being allowed/recommended to be with Matty in 2014 because it’s bad for PR. it’s about them meeting in private because she knows he will ruin her image.

April Brookshire

The first album that can have Matty songs is Rep. I always thought Dancing With Our Hands Tied wasn’t really about Joe because it doesn’t make sense for him. Now I think it’s about 25 year old Matty. She may have emphasized in secret sessions that the love songs were all about Joe, but I think she was doing it out of respect for him.

MM

Do we have 100% confirmation on exactly when they met? Because now I’m even thinking that Endgame makes more sense about Matty vs Joe. “You like the bad ones too”…”tried to forget but we just couldn’t” “hand prints on my soul” “calling my bluff on all my usual tricks (cut to I’ve got some tricks up my sleeve) Idk could be HS as well obvs

Cynthia

Madeleine needs to see this one - could it possibly be Matty is in on a lot of this he’s aware of many of the songs - was he involved in writing any? Just a question-

Cynthia

Madeline has to see this too Was she using lines from his songs with his consent? He has to be aware of some of this…

Mari

Ooohh my God!

Sara Sweet

You really cooked here. Also, I think anyone saying these songs are about Harry just don’t want them to be about Matty cause they are in denial (and I’m a Haylor….).

hannah

chase 2 girls, lose the 1!!!!! pack it up boys!!!!!!!

Mari

Also: “And they're playing your song on the radio station mugging me off all across the nation” I’m not American but did Halsey or FKA Twigs have had a hit song to be playing and “mugging him off all across the nation”? lol

Mari

“Collapse my veins wearing beautiful shoes” 😵‍💫

Leslie

They met in November 2014 when the 1975 played at the Palladium in LA right before the AMAs.

Leslie

Something about this is that there are a LOT of neon boxes (the 1975 symbol) in the I Can See You music video, and also at some point in the video the date 5/22/20 appears which is the release date of their album Notes on a Conditional Form. I have no idea what to make of that lol, could be a coincidence but I made note of it last year and was like hmmm

Leslie

That date 5/22/20 isn't significant in the swiftieverse that I know of

Liz A

I think it was an Easter egg for slut ft 1975 collab on 1989 that got scrapped

Liz A

Also him mentioning cowboy in his speech.. although tbh I don’t know if I buy cowboy like me being about matty

Domi Solo

My mind turns your life into folklore….

Domi Solo

Apparently she asked them in 2013 to tour with her??

Erika Fern 🌿

Has anyone gone back to the grief playlists she made with this new context?? We thought the grief was all about joe but I wonder what the sacred texts would tell us now! 👀

Megan

MADELINE!!!!!! I need to log off now. Go touch grass. Breathe fresh air. Goodbye!

Erika Fern 🌿

This would also make so much sense for TTPD the song “whose gonna know you/whose gonna troll you” and “who else decodes you”

Erika Fern 🌿

Also “How's one to know? I'd meet you where the spirit meets the bones” is basically alluding to a cemetery

lily

The real fucked up thing is if he “came up with it” as in he said that to her in a fight and she romanticized it to us and put it in exile

Erika Fern 🌿

She also says in TTPD title track “I’ve seen this episode and still love the show” !!!!

Erika Fern 🌿

Also also….is Mastermind about her masterminding the relationship with Matty??! 🤯

Lindsay

This was INCREDIBLE

Liz A

Omg intelligence.. ‘You needed me but you needed drugs more’

Liz A

Ok it looks like ppl already knew this lol

Liz A

Also I look in peoples windows also mentions trains

Liz A

It’s interesting to me that she took off the 1 from the setlist

Liz A

The weirdest thing about those playlists is that Peter is the only one not on it

Clara

and you would think that one would be on the acceptance playlist right? why isn’t it there…..

“Stars, do u like dem?” Becky? 👀 🦗 🐳

Speculation 😔 💯 for everything but what is Joe cheated? She makes mild allusions to this several times - is it possible he did something first and then she felt like reconnecting with Matty felt “okay”

Aloha Record Sargent

Wild speculation: What if "chase 2 girls, lose the 1" = reference to Halsey? Because didn't Matty date Halsey right after the situationship with Taylor? I love Halsey and I love Taylor and Halsey's friendship, by the way. Just complete speculation here.

Clara

another thing to add to the lore is that in sept 2019 when matty was interviewed he said he wanted to produce an acoustic album for taylor, “an intimate return to country.” there’s an article somewhere if you google it. he also tweeted about it saying he wanted her to make an album like blue by joni (which lol cause red exists but anyways) and then after the NME awards in 2020 he was interviewed again and said that he wanted to pitch this idea to her but didn’t since he hadn’t seen her in a long time. it’s interesting to me with cardigan and all that she kinda took his advice if she saw him talking about her making an acoustic album and then made folklore. this could explain why she started writing about him during this time too because maybe she got inspired by his ideas from then and one thing led to another. (not trying to take credit away from taylor btw ofc she’s the one who wrote the album and made it amazing, just a thought i’ve had for awhile) we know he worked on midnights but their stuff didn’t make the final version. slut collab was probably real too. and i think ts11 was gonna be a collab album between them but obviously that changed after the breakup. there are songs in the vault for sure and i personally need jack antonoff to be messy and leak them!

Kayla

suing for emotional damage

Kayla

When did that Halsey/Chainsmokers song come out? Only thing I can think of that would be remotely close

K

Same! End Game makes the most sense when Matty is the subject, “big reputations”cannot be Joe… also didn’t a producer say that they created that song post-1989, but pre-Calvin break-up?

K

Also, I’m a The Alchemy is about Matty truther and they both use similar sports metaphors..

A

"Here, at the park where we used to sit on children's swings... Wearing imaginary rings......"

Ty Eldridge

the fact that every. single. lyric. in cardigan is a reference to tortured poets lyrics is insane to me and i cant handle it

Em💫

rosé flowing with your chosen family/your roommates cheap-ass screw-top rosé

Domi Solo

So it goes was recorded in 2015… confirmed by the producer.

Rose

I think a LOT of folklore/evermore, including maroon etc are about Matty Healy

Michaela Wagner

I always think he came back on her radar when he said that STUPID thing about her needing to make a jodi mitchell-esque album. was that in 2019??

Michaela Wagner

do we think there's a lens wheere TAYLOR is the James, Joe the Betty and Matty the August

Michaela Wagner

Matty's eyes are brown, NOT opal!!!!!!!!!! ivy is made up i'll die on this hill

Ally ❤️

I think Zack is spot on about Ivy.

Ally ❤️

Please do the episode about your thoughts about Midnights

Eva

“Swirled you into all of my poems” - that’s what folklevermore is to me! I think her personal life is interwoven with these fictional stories to varying degrees. I think Taylor said “it’s not autobiographical” to protect herself and also because she hadn’t fully figured out what she was going to do in her relationship yet. I also think that maybe sometimes she wrote something and told herself that it was fictional only to realize later that it was actually about herself. I think pretending that it was made up allowed her to be much more honest. I mean, look at how vague Midnights is haha

Yasmin

Guysssssss!!!!!!

Stav

I'm gagged. The Matty role in Taylor's romantic story gags me. Did not see it coming. THANK YOU for making sense of songs that MADE NO SENSE BEFORE.

Yasmin

Wtf is this thread. I'm ill.

Nichole

Yo what is IGGYB

Hattie

Truly gagged that my fave tracks off of Evermore could be about the rat… but it’s oh so juicy at the same time… much to ponder!!!

WhiteWalker68

I love this!! I've been thinking this too. I keep looking for references to 'smoke' - I think his chain smoking sort of pissed her off - he stank. Might have had to use 'peppermint candy' to cover the smell when kissing. But lots of Matty songs seem to have smoke refs. I think the fiction of Folklevermore could be a 'smokescreen'. Also agree about the 2020 timing. I keep looking at Florida as writing about lockdown, meeting or dreaming of meeting up with Matty. "little did you know your home's (London) really only a town you're just a guest in" because you're not a resident for lockdown purposes. If you leave you can't come back. I think we all got it wrong calling it 'Folkmore'. Its should be 'EverLore". Just on the Joe reaction to the Matty situation, I'm wondering if the hurricane with my name was Joe finding out. I'm seeing this play out in my imagination. Maybe she locked herself in the bathroom - 'Barricaded in the bathroom'. She hadn't expected Joe to find out/care - 'I didn't know you were keeping count'. In a fit of rage he kicks in the door - 'Lock broken, slur spoken' screams at her, and then goes off to listen to music Total fantasy, of course

Zach V

Y’all look at the lyric parallels between ‘Me & You Together Song’ and ‘Death By a Thousand Cuts’

Jenny Jenny

I also think most of Folklore, Evermore are about MH. And So much of Midnights. Labyrinth (the 'hedge maze' in Guilty As Sin could be a maze), Bigger than the Whole Sky, Question, Snow on the Beach, Maroon, Question.

Lexi

YES the 1 and cardigan are soooo matty coded now that we have ttpd…

Erin S

I’ve always thought the first verse referred to her albums… “Vintage tee, brand new phone” (hipster vibes) = RED era; “High heels on cobblestones” (Model Taylor & the Squad in NYC) = 1989 era; “Sequin smile, black lipstick” (Reminds me of IDWLF music video and Bleachella at the Met Gala) => REP era; “Sensual politics” (Only the Young, YNTCD, and a bunch of songs on Lover) = LOVER era. Even if parts of Cardigan were inspired by or about Matty, I still hold that I think the song is largely a love letter to the fans who stuck by her through changes in music genre and being canceled by clowns… the real fans who gave up their weekends to attend her concerts and played along with her Easter egg games, not the fake Swifties and the tabloid media who overly invade her personal life to the point of judgment and gossip. That said, I kind of think – given the new info from TTPD – there are a number of songs on Folklore and Evermore and Midnights that are influenced by him and a past situationship they had that she was left with a lot of “what ifs” about… especially when things with Joe went through rocky patches. I’m also inclined to go back to Rep and see Matty in some of those songs. There was an assumption that Joe was the primary inspiration for those songs, but that assumes she was completely uninspired to write anything but a handful of songs between the end of the 1989 production in 2014 and May 2016. In retrospect, I think “Call It What You Want” is about Matty and their “situationship” back in 2014. I think it was convenient for her for people to think it was about Joe… just like it was convenient for her to say the songs on folklore and evermore were all fictional when we didn’t know things with Joe wasn’t all sunshine and rainbows and she had this torch still burning for Matty.

Erin S

Details were changed to protect the innocent.

Figment

To me she could’ve done an EP of songs reflecting on relationships past and including WCS, The Manuscript, You’re Losing Me. They’re important songs that are written so well, but they don’t belong on any themed eras album.

Kikki

why did I just read that as "moron is about Matty Healy" 😂

mindyrose

Sorry, but nothing anyone says is going to change the fact that Ivy is about a princess in love with a night when she is forced to marry a foreign king. I refuse to let the rat change my impressions of FolkEvermore

Dorothy Vaccaro

I will be rewatching the Long Pond Sessions with new eyes next 😭 …

Abby

I love all this theorising and it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the songs at all. It's just fun! However. Cowboy like me??? I would very much like to be excluded from this narrative 😭 (it makes so much sense but it just pains me lol)

Abby

Ohhh...intriguing!

CyrusNomadix

And to think I made a timeline playlist and I too used "Ivy" to suggest a thing. What I appreciate about you both is that while I don't always agree/align with your opinions, there are the occasional overlaps that keep me engaged. I feel pretty good that Zach and I shared a thought lol

Jaiden McDaniel

It’d be insane for Gold Rush to be about Matty Healy lmao but “at dinner parties I call you out on your contrarian shit” makes me question… also on Illicit affairs “you taught me a secret language I can’t speak with anyone else” is kinda like “who else decodes you” and “you showed me colors you know I can’t see with anyone else” is like “I don’t remember who I was before you painted all my nights a color I’ve searched for since”

Kristina Frost

Hot take: Taylor and Matty’s tryst started before 1989 and some of those songs are about him and not about Harry.

Ash

"are you hearing this? Are you hearing? Are you HEARING?!" 🤣 Oh I heard, and now I need a "the 1 × Guilty as Sin" mashup STAT! 🤩

Ash

Yesssss! I've been pondering this too. Altho then the Peter/Wendy thing doesn't totally make sense. Unless she is calling herself or Joe Peter? 🤔

Erika Fern 🌿

Brings a whole new meaning to the rep prologue about the slideshows of men that will all be wrong 😱

Tay Tay

This information is rocking my world

Joanna

Omggg look for the sides eyes Jack is shamelessly throwing towards Joe (to those who know what to look for) . I know we’ve all moved on to the Matty of it all but I noticed this the last time I rewatched it and I can’t unsee it

Joanna

Ummm I’m so sorry I’m saying this with love and light but remember that video in Miss Americana where she’s literally singing “Call it What You Want” TO Joe (we can assume, as this is the part when she’s talking about how she was falling in love with him) ..🤔 🦗……… … I mean she’s crazy but I don’t think she’s THAT crazy

Joanna

Umm…… 🦗.. explain pls?

Joanna

Keep in mind I’m tipsy at a bar reading these comments lmaooo but the fact that this has 4 likes is concerning to me cause either you’re all in fantasy world or I’m stupid and totally missing something

Erin S

I appreciate your perspective… that’s not exactly damning evidence though, IMO. Taylor frequently finds new feelings in old songs. It’s also possible CIWYW was drafted under the influence of one muse, then reworked under the influence of another before it was recorded for rep. It’s the reference to starry eyes in the song that had me questioning it as every other reference to starry eyes in songs after that seems to point to Matty. At least the way I’m interpreting things they do. But it’s all just still an idea I’m formulating… that this almost 18 month period between meeting Matty and meeting Joe was not a barren wasteland of just a couple songs from her (I Don’t Wanna Live Forever and This Is What You Came For).

Mari

But if the story's over Why am I still writing pages? 🎶 ………. I think the story needs more pageeeees I've been in love with her for ageees 🎶 I think that’s what they mean lol I’m not sure about either tbh, but it’s kind of a crazy coincidence!!

Michaela Wagner

Haha yeah I was mostly kidding. I don’t think she touched matty once since 2014. And I think matty is Peter

Erin S

Ivy and Guilty as Sin? have a lot of touch points! I have thought this for weeks! Cowboy like me and Down Bad… “like I lost my twin”! Gold Rush… yeah, no… that’s about Joe. See “Lover” … “I’m highly suspicious that everyone who see you wants you” —> “everybody wants you”.

Rachel

This felt like a therapy session and I am living for the real-time unpacking lmaoooo

Kylee

I just started listening to this and THANK YOU (cardigan) SOMEONE had to say it. Healy is all over Folklore.

🌷Elle🌷

You better fckng NOT 😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩

Bailey

Also, Matty’s speech when they won an award at the NME Awards this year (feb 2020) the same awards show this video of them reconnecting happened - the speech says artists fall into category of farmers (who cultivate their work and keep it the same) and cowboys (who go out and find new pastures) and to be a cowboy. Cowboy Like Me

Kylee

I think there’s been something in the era (he he) and thank you the content! I’ve been having an epiphany (aka manic episode) about the timeline that actually runs through anthology and I think we might have one straight through (minus aimee because she’s been dead to me since rep) It started with me swapping Fortnight & TTPD in the track list. There is definitely a running theme that involves geography (America, UK, Florida) there is a running theme I am working on with that, but it’s not full clicked, and I’m not ready to put that in writing. Then I had a realization that Alchemy isn’t as Travis coded as we think, but he is there. After she swapped YOYOK for Alchemy at Eras, Im seeing it more as a homecoming song, and really centered around her (not the relationship.) That makes So High School the one true Travis song, which is needed in order to create the timeline through anthology. Im a Chloe or Marcus Truther, that is the true ‘closure but it will never be closure’ song, if you will. Then she’s really in the shit when we get to How did it End? And as I am a thirty something girly who has long term relationships that have never ended in marriage, the sentiment of this song is that despair (same can be found in the prophecy) And then we get to So High School where she’s Travie official. Yeah we’re definitely all starting to get hive mind because I had absolutely no idea you were talking about any of this today, I was really cooking in TTPD in discord. We’ve made some further collab theories there, feel free to join….we’re really onto something. What? Not sure. But it’s something. 🫠

Emily

1000% agree! Also (and I’m cooking with a microwave here so the dinner might be cold in the middle) but I can’t help but feel like her randomly covering Can’t Stop Loving You during her BBC Live Lounge in 2019 was a Matty nod as well?? Like all the transit imagery of leaving on a train, in a taxi, etc in that song and that she never wanted to say goodbye and that she’ll be here if he changes his mind… idk idk but it feels so in the headspace of what she was going for with Cardigan and a recurring motif of her songs that are likely about him. Maybe she just wanted to cover a great 80s song and she was knee-deep in the Lover era so idt she was pining over him all that much then but... it's just a question.

grace jensen

i’ve unfortunately been pondering the idea that tis the damn season is matty-coded but like masked in another fucking school metaphor

Lea

I have been waiting for thisssssss! As soon as i heard some of the songs on TTPD I knew her other stuff especially on the last few albums needed to be listened to carefully.

Forty2times

The first draft lyric voice memo --I thought it was all hogwash but they fit on TP with the Matty songs 🤨

Syd

Is there a link to the playlist? 👀

Lana

That hotel reference sealed the deal for me 🔍

Lana

You know we say it's crazy for her to write/put out these song while still with Joe but we also know that the turkey never would've really LISTENED to them. "A pathological people pleaser Who only wanted you to see her"

Kylee

Now we just have to figure out the when & where of the tennis court with some tent like thing, and I think we’ve got that rat with the cowboy hat cornered.

Sandra

madeline the way you process ttpd and taylor’s songs in general is the exact same way I do, it’s actually insane. I try to rant about ALL of this on twitter but no one else can ever comprehend. thank you for making me feel so seen lmao truly

Aleesha Hunter

THIS is what Midnights *should* have been IMO!

Aleesha Hunter

I hate it here. Also, please continue.

Hannah Landry

I just adore you Madeline! The excitement/doom/eureka I’ve got it! In your voice when you make your little connections are so cute to hear! Also I totally started off hearing the album and denying that it was about Matty mainly and nowwwwww diva is so on this page. These coincidences are so interesting and whether they are real or not is so YUMMY!!!!!

Gracie Day

MADELINE! “chase two girls, lose the one” - maybe the other girl is heroine. I’m also a diehard for Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus… it is the skeleton key!

Augustin

« The greatest films of all time were never made » / « You cinephile, in back and white, all those plot twists, and dynamite »

Dani

you're a cowboy like me...you're a bandit like me...meanwhile in Down Bad: like I lost my twin...

Roxy

I think you just opened a massive can of worms lol

Hannah Ramirez

Okay the Ivy connection fucked me up. I hadn’t gone back to reconsider folklore songs just yet because I guess I wasn’t ready but wow wow wow. That is deranged and I’m offended and also kinda eating it up. 🤡

EverNora

I think the lesson in this lunacy is that when Taylor Swift is bored, lonely and on her “I hate it here” shit she turns into a chaos demon. She probably just needs to be on the Eras tour forever for everyone’s mental health

LadyQ

It just occurred to me, I'm sure I'm not the first, but roaring 20's could also mean they were in the 20's when all this happened.

Ally ❤️

It’s not just that they were corresponding with inbox song exchanges… They were working on Midnights tracks together (vaulted), they were working on at least Slut! From 1989 TV… Who’s gonna stop them from waltzing into rekindled flames Madeline??? Who??? Certainly not boring-ass yb!

Ally ❤️

Especially when girl was feeling the Tolerate It of it all… all that clover, all that Ivy just seems so much more desirable. Particularly with the love bombing she describes on the part of Matty.

Hannah Ramirez

Oh absolutely. It’s so easy to fall into that when we’re in a relationship that isn’t right but we don’t feel like we can leave it for whatever reason.

Xavier

DBATC MAYBE ABOUT MATTY ????

Monika

Madeline although the content will haunt me forever, I was giggling like a school girl during the entire thing! You are a national treasure!

V

I don’t wanna live forever about Matty? wondering if I dodged a bullet or just lost the “loml”… You told Lucy you’d KYS if I ever leave or whatever the lyrics are, and that she said she’d do the same etc… and “I see you around all these empty faces” - chasing shadows in the grocery line, I thought I saw you at the bus stop - the list goes on

🌷Elle🌷

This is my take: while I personally don't care who the songs are about, I do firmly believe she doesn't always write in black and white. As a writer, I too take inspiration from my own work, I use my own words and expand on them beyond what they were originally. Yeah, some of it is likely truly about Matty or Joe or whoever, but I think most of it is just connected to other songs because that's interesting to her and it continues a storyline she might not be completely done with. I don't think it's that cut and dry. I think she likes to use similar metaphors, phrases, likes to create certain images because it's what resonates with her and it's something she might be attached to. Her life is so... limited in many ways, I don't doubt there are times when inspiration comes from her same experiences over and over.

Daisy

In cardigan he'd be standing in her front porch light, the way Wendy keeps on the light waiting for Peter, and in Peter the woman turns out the light.

Raphaëlle

Oh we have grounds for a class action 😭

Sarah

This is me trying is about matty. The references to the rental car and the continued movie reel references juxtaposed with the line “you cinephile” throughout this album… Folklore and midnights is inspired by matttttyyyyyy

Stroop(wafel)

I'm not scrolling the entire thing, but the highline is an elevated park in chelsea/meat packing district

Stroop(wafel)

It's still same implication tho tbh

Stroop(wafel)

Nah, the whole tumblr timeliness between them doesn't make sense if they met before 1989.

Stroop(wafel)

It's not that kind of park, it's an elevated train line turned into a walking park but there's no childrens thing on the highline. Nearby perhaps

Stroop(wafel)

Yes this is the correct analysis. I'm taking it as canon.

Terry B

Hi Madeline, thanks for the deep dive. As fans, we just want her to be happy. But media needs a tagline-label: is she a victim? is she crazy? is she a cold-blooded snake? Well, I have a pet gecko, and reptiles are smart AND affectionate. I don't think they're LOST TWINS though. SHE'S OUTGROWN HIM AS A PERSON AND AN ARTIST. If she behaved 1/2 as badly as he, or Yezee did, she'd 've been finished. Queen Bey and she STILL have to dress up for their concerts. We don't ever ponder "hm, what's [male artist, except fashionable ones like David Bowie, Harry Styles] wearing on stage?" I think an ideal romance for her: Act I -- encounter, the intrigue(!) Act II -- rendezvous, the passion, the (mis)adventure(!)... Act III -- conflict, the drama, separation, mishaps, the asylum... Act IV -- plot twist / climax -- her true love has an evil twin! Act V -- reunited fairy tale ending -- love you for a 1,000 years. Any relationships that skip an act would be unfulfilling, sad, and unworthy of a princess. In her heart, she still feels like a princess in a tale / dream, but her mind has matured to a business-wise Queen, thus the internal conflict and seemingly a paradox of behaviour. What do you think? I hope she recovers each time she's disappointed, as a person. Every individual is complete and nobody can rescue us from unhappiness / loneliness. Lyrics from "Never Grow Up" and "I hate it here -- only the gentle survived" hit me harder than the break up songs. I think Queen Tay no longer needs to break records. She's irreplaceable in her own class and has changed the music landscape. She's turned the tables on media, movie and music execs, who are used to putting down young artists (esp. women, Amy Winehouse, Britney). Which producers / songwriters / duet artists would you like to see on future albums / projects? Cheers.

Carla

I’m not sure if someone has mentioned this but COSOSOM and cowboy like me have similar guitar riffs in the same key. Maybe i think they’re just spiritually similar in their musical motifs. I know mashups are controversial in the snake nation but if she wanted to slay, she would do “too impaired by youth to know what to do …now you hang from my lips like the gardens of babylon etc etc”

treesap

The High Line is a city walk through the Chelsea neighborhood in NYC. Its a really lovely spot to walk and see the city! Notably, The Bus Stop is a Cafe near one end of The High Line. 👀👀👀 I visited both in NYC a few years ago because I am unhinged. Thank you for this incredible episode! You were cooking and we are eating!!!

Stephany Perez

girlie, you are in denial!... but its ok I was also flaberghasted while putting together this puzzle, because idk I dont think poor joe deserved all this deceit

Stephany Perez

IDWLF is so about Matty... it was also written after they met

Starsonscars

Cannot believe you skip over Peter and Seven! To me those are obviously linked and both about Matty. Perhaps Matty is Peter and Peter is the other character in Seven.

Sam

How can anyone think "The Alchemy" is about anyone other than Travis? - She said in the Times POTY interview that the Travis shout-out was “metal as hell.” Metal -> Alchemy - Heroine line: His stats playing better when she’s there versus not, and probably a dig at Matty. - “Child’s play back in school”: Travis getting kicked out of football during college, his cringe-worthy reality show, his cringe-worthy tweets, etc. - When has anyone thought Matty was the greatest in his league? Or when has that debate even surrounded him? - Cut the clowns: Literally, his publicist put a clown emoji on Taylor’s face after her first appearance at his games. - "Where’s the trophy, he just comes running over to me": How would this relate to Matty? - Circled you on a map: The viral jokes about Taylor putting him on the map. It’s pretty obvious Travis talked about that joke on NH. - Him literally saying it’s about him: Would Taylor really be cruel enough to tell him a song that isn’t about him is, letting him go around telling everyone while deep down she knows it isn’t? The fact that you both are in denial about this is crazy.

Finn

That’s mental illness right there why is it so important that you had to do a whole lyric analysis in the EOAS PATREON!!!??? 💀💀💀

Courtney Adams

But wait… what was it that occurred to her at the end? I need to know!

Sam

Because if they can’t acknowledge something so obvious it makes all of their other analysis sus

nicole

This is such a good pick up! It also reminds me of FOTS - “To the house where you still wait up and the porch light gleams”.

nicole

I’m sure someone has pointed it out already, but the original Cardigan lyrics from the voice memo are a dead giveaway that it was rewritten to fit in with the whole “teenage live triangle” and was always autobiographical. She says: “laughing like a damn fool, breaking every damn rule” - I mean, it sounds a lot like Matty to me 😬 She also replaces “knew you’d be standing in my front porch light”, etc. with “I knew I’d wish you would’ve changed your mind, I knew you’d miss me once the moment died, I knew to love would be to lose my mind”. Ooph. I love the original lyrics!

nicole

Yes! And her performance of IDWLF after the breakup with Matty is heartbreaking, she literally sounds like she’s going by to cry singing the line about losing the love of her life.

Chas

I still can’t bring myself to listen to Midnights 😭

Yasmin

Literally same

Chas

Where else can you get such fun lyrical analysis with “I’m out” after every new realization? Only on EoS 🐍

Ashley

Hey Snakes! This is a late comment but has anyone brought up the line in Exile “And it took you five whole minutes to pack us up and leave me with it” and the line in the TTPD Summary Poem “And in one conversation, I tore down the whole sky” Anyways I’m a long time listener who has recently joined the Patreon and am catching up on all of this delightful content. Love you guys! 💕

Canoe

also - “Cause the sign on your heart said it's still reserved for me” could be about the fact Taylor has always been Travis' celebrity crush.

Canoe

SKDJDSKJ you can‘t make this shit up😭

Canoe

gold rush and Labyrinth are definitely about matty. contrarian and hedge maze link back to guilty as sin? also the “illicit affair - ivy - high infidelity - guilty as sin” series is truly deranged…...

Teresa Salas

I’m late listening to this recording but as you were going through songs that relate and could possibly be about Matty, I started thinking about lyrics that correlate between ‘Cardigan’ and ‘I Look in People’s Windows’: “Steppin’ on the last train” to “As you boarded your train” and “Chasing shadows in the grocery line” to “I tried searching faces on streets”. Made me think bc I’ve wondered which person she was looking for.

PK

This is one of my favorite episodes of all time