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An Emotional Chronology of Matty Healy & Taylor Swift (Patreon)

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2024-06-15 09:34:08
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2026-06

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Hi divas!! There will be no episode next week as we, the snakes will be galavanting around London preparing for our FIRST EVER LIVE SHOW and two nights at Eras in Wembley. We're pumped to meet you all next week and give you a night you'll never forget. In any event, please be patient w us as our response times here on discord may vary as Madeline enjoys the UK for the first time w Mason Review, and I explore Barcelona for a tru holiday pre my next 24 hour swiftie shift.

As promised ... me walking you through my ratty relationship timeline!! Here's the playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7yRZZDNaps3970tYm7QyzW?si=6c6c5d93c4784f6c 

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Heather

I can not wait to listen to this tonight! Thank you and have the time of your lives in the UK!

rosie

Thank you so much both for all you do and enjoy your time off!!!!

Tayla

I wish you would get into the Tayvis of it all🤭 for the lols

Fatima

As Madeline said, as a woman, as a swiftie, I am hurt that ivy could be about Matty 😭 so i’m living in delulu. It’s MY song and mine alone ✌🏽🫶 hope you guys have the best time over here!!! It’s been raining all week so you’ll have the true english experience 😂

maryna

Barcelona! 😍 used to live there.

Tayla

At the end when you said 'I could get into the tayvis of it all but you guys would yell at me' when talking about the prophecy

Joan Chan

I hope your granny recovers quickly and your laptop is fixed soon!!!

Sarah

1 star Google review era. Lmao

S.

As another unfortunate fan of the 1975 this was so beautiful

Lana

Thank you Zack! I hope you enjoy your vacation before your alwaysworkingologist. Can't wait for snakes to take over London 🫶🏽

Priya More

How does Taylor keep on going without therapy is beyond me! Love has brought her so much heartache yet that is one thing she doesn't give up on, where does she get so much strength? Is it the bread crumbs of love she has received from friends, family, and her ex-lovers? I cannot fathom her reality. I need a book, I need answers. Anyways, all the best for the show divas! ❤️

Aleesha Hunter

SNAKES WIN! 🐍🕯️🙏 #karmaismyboyfriend Keep your eyes peeled for reclusive but potentially vengeful turkeys while in their native habitat! 👀 🦃 🇬🇧

KT_p

Confession: I’ve actually watched your Matty video 3 times lol but I caught new things with each rewatch! Always thrilled to get new content but developments have been particularly interesting as of late, and I know our Snakes are busy this week, so it’s much appreciated! Safe travels and wishing both of you a spectacular time!

Amanda Carriker Moore

I posted a Matty TT video that went viral (viral for me) after his engagement and people went insane in the comments! Like, my skin wasn't thick enough for it; I'll never talk about that dude again. I had to block so many that were just too awful, but many remain. (MandyMoore_1984 if anyone is interested) I NEVER want to land on The 1975Tok again! 🤯

Renata Faustina

Hi Zac! I live in Barcelona, I'd love a lil meet and greet the snake time!! hope you have a lovely trip and I get to see you at Olivia's!

Amanda Carriker Moore

But most importantly, I'm so glad your grandmother is okay!🫶🏻

mindyrose

Love the video, hate to hear that my faves are about the rat 🐀🔫

Ally ❤️

Jesus… she really did swirl him into all of her poems…

Abby

The way she talked about this is me trying in lpss always gave me pause and made me think it was about a very real experience she had had with someone, but I just couldn't work out who...until this year 😶

Ally ❤️

You did not realize how prophetic this was. London Boy whines in the press right on cue.

Allie Po - Gillette rainshow

Did you guys see that “Today” just posted a story that Joe Alwyn opened up the breakup? I did not read it yet. Lol

Elizabeth

yeah I just saw an article about it! he apparently lowkey confirmed that he’s not the subject of the black dog

Ally ❤️

Oh Swiftologist!!! We need another turkey roast… He’s out here slandering our queen in print like the craven, arrogant, unemployed man purse he is.

Alicia

Thank you!!!! 💜

Milque

every time mason is referred to as Mason Review it KILLS ME

Amy Versprille

If I wanted to check out some of the rat’s visionary song writing of which you speak…can you give me few to check out? I am curious to see - I have never listened to them before

Sean

Thank you for this bonus! I always enjoy hearing you guys talk about the playlists you make and the songs reasons for being there

V

Side note, the turkey’s getting chatty. Gobbling about all over town. His one interview is him sitting on the grass in true turkey fashion. He’s clearly been told to do damage control😂😂

Kylee

Weirdly fucking beautiful = Matty Healy 💯. All your Matty content is great, the lore builder video you put out right before TTPD was when you really started to cook. I’ve gone back to a couple more than once to fill in gaps for my own lore emotional madness timeline playlists. On a more serious note, I appreciate you addressing Taylor’s takes on addiction. Ive always been a little turned off by ‘Taylor does addiction’ but only because I have had very real experiences with it, and have lost people from it. I love Smallest Man, but something feels too far about her call out on him looking for pills. That’s going to hurt and not in a ‘he’ll get over it,’ or ‘serves him right,’ kind of way. Thats some pretty personal shit + his business to share (in my humble opinion). It’s cringe levels of contrived, it screams naivety, it didn’t need to be said. She makes the same point + just as effective with ‘You crashed my party and your rental car.’ If she was looking for the shock value, she got it from me. Just not in a cook his rat ass kind of way, but more of a girl……speak less.🤫 Thanks London Boy, we will see you on the other side of so long 😘

Kylee

P.S. would love to hear more about your studies on addiction and grief… Freudologist 🫶

ellie

Hey I’m dumb, I got a ticket for the show and don’t know how to access it again, help me out

Meagan

This was awesome. Thanks

Kate!!!

I am so sorry your grandmother hasn’t been well! Can’t wait to hear yours and Madeline’s reactions to the Eras Tour in London!! I feel like she’s going to make those shows super special and it’ll be so fun to watch y’all’s reactions (if that’s something y’all plan to do:))

caroline

Not Granny’s magnetic hairpin 😩

Evgeniya Kuzmina

Love it! Thank you Zach! Still think “Gold rush” is about Joe though, no way “grow up that beautiful/ hair falling into place like dominos” is about ratty lol

Lain Pierce

DAMMIT I listened to the playlist and now... I think I love the 1975.

Lisa

Zach! You almost have 100 K followers on your YouTube channel! I am rooting for you! Also, I just spent 6 weeks in Ireland… I love it there! But I commiserate with your laptop issue because I cracked the screen on my iPhone while I was in Dublin and could not find an Apple Store or a place to take it where someone could fix it on Apple Care! I spent six weeks traveling all over Ireland with a cracked screen🤨😡 Glad to hear that your granny is going to be OK! I stayed in a bed-and-breakfasts that had Irish Grannies as hosts. I concluded that Irish Grannies are the best.😂

Sara Sweet

“So long London and you’re losing me are very linked” right after she played it as a mashup🤭

Morgan Palmer

Hear me out, folklore sounds like a response to notes on a contempory form

Joanna

Idk what Zach would recommend but as a big 1975 fan these are some of my top faves: “She’s American” “If I Believe You” “This Must Be My Dream” “Love It If We Made It (with the music video)” “I Like America and America Likes Me” “Jesus Christ 2005 God Bless America” “Tonight (I Wish I Was Your Boy” “If You’re Too Shy (Let Me Know)” “Happiness” “Looking For Somebody (To Love” “All I Need To Hear”

Joanna

I feel like these show the breadth of their musical capabilities/genre bending and the songwriting chops

Swiftologist

That song is very patently about Joe ,.. and I have the session receipts to back it up !!

Lila

For Cowboy Like Me, lookup the 1975’s speech at the NME awards where Matty talks about farmers vs cowboys and says “be a cowboy.”

nicole

Unfortunately you’d be surprised by the amount of women that would think this 🙃 He wasn’t incredibly popular on Tumblr for nothing

Swiftlennial

As I recall, you said she was emphatic about the entire album being about Joe in the SS. Now, was she actually being truthful or was she being "DBATC was inspired by a movie" truthful? 😉

daisy

Incredible, as always❤️

h

That's my thought. She really wanted people to think of that as a Joe song but that doesn't necessarily mean it was. It's yet another song about reminiscing about dancing with someone and it all being doomed, being 25, secret love, etc. It all fits imo

Swiftlennial

Thank you for getting it, Liz. All one has to do is listen to DWOHT with Matty in mind, and … all the pieces fall … right into place …

h

Thank you too! It's nice to see I'm not alone. And yes, especially "if I could dance with you again, I'd kiss you as the lights went out.. I'd hold you as the water rushes in if I could dance with you again" It makes no sense that she would write that about Joe when she was actually *with* him and *could* dance with him anytime she wanted. And the world would never have tried to "divide" her and Joe because the world had no freaking clue who Joe was anyway 😂 why would it be a scandal for her to be with him, in the eyes of the world? But being with a controversial man who's an addict? That checks out....

Swiftlennial

Exactly, Liz. EXACTLY. The stakes in this song are too high to be about the turkey. Period. People will say it has to be about Joe because of the “25 years old” line. Okay, Joe was 25 when they met. And so was Matty when they first met in 2014! Not only that, but the song has an air of reflection, like time has passed. It doesn’t even sound like a song about a new relationship. It’s a song about a past relationship that wasn’t allowed to happen. Like … are we the dogs seeing everything in color, Liz? 😭

Cynthia

This is such a great discussion!! And I loved both of your Matty youtube chronologies -- and this was just an amazing discussion! Fascinating listening to you (and Madeline) now go back and look at other works and see new meaning...must be mind blowing for the snakes. Playlist with Matty songs amazing too. Thank you!

Pamela F

Can we talk about how the guitar on About You and Ivy are sooo similar!? That little About You guitar immediately reminded me of the Folklore era when I first heard it and is also the song Matty mouthed ‘this is about you’ to Taylor last year… seems like Matty clocked that certain songs on Folkevermore were about him and responded to her in Funny in a Foreign Language…

Katherine Kelly

Yay I'm glad this ended up being a bonus kiki!!

Katherine Kelly

Oh I forgot to say, this was some excellent context you dug up for us, thanks!

Kate Ayers

I also think Peter is the key to the Matty scenario and it also kinda signifies the end of the situationship especially when she says "But the woman who sits by the window has turned out the [porch] light"...

Aliza Lieb

so like.... i do agree generally with what you're saying. it does feel a bit unfair of her to air out his dirty laundry like that. HOWEVER.... i don't think she would have done that if it wasn't for how he treated her. madeline analyzed the lyrics of loml on the lizard reviews and talks about how a relationship in a way is like an unspoken contract you both sign.... but a con man sold a fool a get love quick scheme here. once someone breaks that "contract" in the most heart wrenching and devastating ways, it is null and void. it means nothing. she has no reason to keep his secrets for him anymore after she was so committed to him and he couldn't even be bothered to turn his goddamn location off after disappearing into the night.

Fritz

What a great podcast. I agree with the post that states that You're Losing Me and So Long London are connected. We know the date of the first song: December 2021. It's impossible to imagine that more than one year separates the composition of the two songs. A cohesive timeline would indicate that Taylor and JA broke sometime early in the second semester of 2022. It remains a mystery why they decided to postpone for so long the announcement of the end of their relationship. In any case, the fall of 2022 and the winter of 2023 weren't cruel seasons for T and M.

sam

i don’t think you mentioned it but in Happiness by the 1975 he repeats “i’m never gonna love again” throughout the whole song (cowboy like me ever heard of it) and is talking about someone he pines for but he keeps fucking it up with and is begging her to open up to him ohhhh another thread in the taymatty tapestry i fear

Nils Sjöberg

I’m sorry but I like ME! It’s millennial cringe