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Reacting to The 1975 songs that are ALLEGEDLY about Taylor (Patreon)

Published:
2024-07-19 23:32:56
Edited:
2024-09-10 00:33:40
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2026-06

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Also I remember the air conditioner is on and shut it off five minutes into it so don't worry about that LMFAOOOO....classic...in any event, well, what can I say aside from YIKES.....some enlightening things happened....some things I didn't really wanna hear.....and that's that on that....

This was all part of the research I'm doing for an episode of The Lizard Review that will be up next week but here's my initial reaction to the songs ahead of my more serious critical analysis of these lyrics that will be done alongside lyrics in Taylor's own songs!!!

Comments

Natalia

this eyeshadow!!!!!

Taylor L

oh ive been waiting for this one… TURN IT UP!!

Jovana Temelkovska

Your eyeshadow is always on point!!!! Btw i dont get it, he wrote all these songs about her, talked about her for yearsss and he did what he did..

Krista 🤓🫀🧠

NOT excusing his actions one bit, but it must have been pretty awful to have practically the whole fandom begging Taylor to break up with him. It’s hard enough to be in that position of fame and exposure when everyone is in support of your relationship let alone when they all hate it. Who knows how long she would’ve been able to take it, but clearly he walked away instead, and “told her she was better off“. Sad to say he was probably right.

Angela Gilden

“Ivy” goes with the feeling TS wanted to define, perhaps

Jovana Temelkovska

Yeah, i know, some fans really cross the line.. but if we take her words from the smallest man, he ghosted her, at least he couldve talk to her and yet we will never know the whole truth 🤷‍♀️

April Brookshire

Oh Caroline music video he’s dancing with a very tall blonde and an old man remembering her from when they were younger. The video has Delicate vibes.

Angela Gilden

Omg you saw Gabbriette say she lives with a rat?!🐀

Kylee

Ohhhh juicy, can’t wait to compare notes.

Ally ❤️

Godt DAMN it’s a good day! Just finished the new music TLR on the Sub!!!

Cynthia

Epic as always; can't wait for the Lizard Review...thanks Madeline.

Milque

you yelling “ORANGE COUNTY CALIFORNIA” scared me bc IM FROM THERE. i felt like you were yelling specifically at me

kyah smith

babe wake up lizardologist just posted

Ally ❤️

I said “I don’t mind…. It takes time… I thought I was better safe than starry-eyed…”

Ally ❤️

You gotta watch the music video for oh Caroline - it’s a visual interpolation of Delicate

Ally ❤️

They were both working on those albums at the same time with Jack producing at Electric Lady (BFIAFL and Midnights)

Ally ❤️

There’s some tea there too because when Jack put up the tracks for Grammys consideration for producer of the year, he did not include any BFIAFL tracks

Ally ❤️

He was on SLUT too… right? The printed album sleeves had his verse and “featuring”

Juliana McKenna

Having a bad day and am so happy to see this pop up

Ruby256

Watch the Oh Caroline video! You will perish at the Delicate of it all

Ruby256

The video they released on the Friday before her birthday in 2022 I might add

EN

I think oh caroline is about caroline flack

Leslie

Queen you missed a really important one, "Somebody Else" from I Like It When You Sleep. I'm not sold on a lot of songs people think are about Taylor but that's the one I'm probably surest of aside from About You. Roadkill, Inside Your Mind and This Must Be My Dream are interesting possibilities too. IMO She's American and Change of Heart are both about Halsey.

Kanellis

I’d also love to throw in the ring All I Need To Hear also from Being Funny etc. I think the lyrics are too vague to be about Taylor per say, but when I first heard Chloe or Sam I immediately thought back to it. They definitely seem to be in discourse with one another. Could also just be my delusional pattern recognition though.

SW

The last song, sweaters and weather… FORTNITE

Talar N

Omg I’m from OC too!

Lauren S.

It's not SeaWorld for trees... it's SeaWorld for dreams

Liz

I’d just add to this list Somebody Else and All I need to Hear. Particularly, all I need to hear for the parallels with fresh out the slammer and cososom. That’s real delulu

Swiftologist

I was only going off the lyrics on Apple Music.

Taralynn

This has nothing to fo with anything but omg Madeline your hair looks amazing!!

Lain Pierce

PREACH, Lizard! I'm better at writing... we KNOW you RAT!!!

Rosario Varela

Well yeeeees!!!! Just ended my Lizard review episode and I find this! What a great day 🍾🥂

Casey Fison

also why are you so gawgeous ??

Janelle

It is sea world for trees I have the vinyl and it says that on the lyric sheet

Milque

oc swifties rise up 🙌

Janelle

They were just friends not romantic

Talar N

I just joined the SoCal Swifties club a few months ago. Feel free to follow their page on IG. We have live events a couple times a month and it’s so fun! Just had a paint & sip, and tomorrow we are actually going to be at Huntington Beach for a “cruel summer” 😊

Taticakes

These songs never made sense to me until the lyrics were spoken aloud by you, so thank you for unlocking my mind palace. Everything makes sense now!

Melodie Roehrig

This is a feast 🤣 you waving around the brush killed me

ryan

halseys British

Melissa Lecis

I’m so scared that on RepTv they’ll be vault tracks about him..

Lain Pierce

oh they 100% are. she already told us.

Krista 🤓🫀🧠

Yes, like I said, no excusing his actions. Sometimes I think we forget these people are flawed humans, no different than the rest of us, and how many of us have been ghosted? I sure have. It’s an extremely cowardly thjng to do.

Krista 🤓🫀🧠

Not the focus of this video, but I really think there are a number of reputation songs that were originally drafted about Matty that she reworked to seem like they were about Joe. Ready for it (knew I was a ROBBER from 1975 debut album…)endgame (big reputation), dancing with our hands tied (I loved you in secret, 25 years old)..

Krista 🤓🫀🧠

Change of heart and and she’s American could be composite sketches just like we think Taylor writes. I really think the song somebody else on the 1975s 2016 album is about her if you listen to the lyrics and then listen to I’mgonnaget you back…😬

Aliza Lieb

gabriette is in the 360 music video lol! she's the girl who vapes the whole time and says "that's literally why we're here at dinner..." and "you have to be really hot, like in a scary way" lol

saskia (tv)

can we have an audio only of this for us commuters😩💓

Terry B

“charming bad boys” rarely settle on rings and cradles— wildlife are not meant to be domesticated. Whatever promises made were escapist fantasies. She’s not ready for a domestic life either. She’s 100% committed kind of person. She already feels torn between artistic endeavour and business success, reconciling her personal self and on-stage persona, it’d be torturous to try to fulfill the role of a spouse + potential motherhood. I’m pretty sure she hates failing. It’s a long decade of escapism, wasted time and broken heart 😢 — but at least she didn’t get caught up with his addictions or any injuries from possible DUI car accidents…😮‍💨 well now that he’s done being a muse, “thank you next” 🤣

Joan Chan

Yayyyyy Madeline reaction!!! This is delicious. Getting out the red string to make the connections between the 1975 songs and TS songs and losing your mind in the process is deeply relatable. I recall reading this epic google doc and thinking “this person is delusional….but wait…is she right… am I delusional now?!?” (Well yes)

h

Off topic but: Is your Bluetooth voice thing Australian?? Hahahah I did a double take at the accent

h

This is what I think too. The ones you mentioned plus So It Goes. If I remember correctly, it came out that SIG was written in 2015 so couldn't have been about Joe. It's possible it's Calvin, but I would bet Matty just based on instinct/vibe Okay it's September but someone recently liked this and it made me come back and think, So It Goes and Question? might be written about the same night 🤯 all eyes on us/getting caught up in a moment/lipstick on your face.... have you ever had someone kiss you in a crowded room and every single one of your friends was making fun of you?!?!

Mi ✨

i was thoroughly entertained, what a treat! also eyeshadow slay!!!

Rachel

Yeah I respect the boundaries here but I'm convinced somebody else is about her 😂

Rachel

Omg omg omg I have also never heard that "lots of people think I'm gay" that way either 💀 That's now canon I'm calling it

LadyQ

In that first song you played, he's giving serious Morrissey vibes.

Shay Aragundi

YES MADELINE, BOOTS! We love to hear from you BOTH 🫶🏼

Mary Massed

“Someone too stupid to be demented… and more on that later” 😂😂😂😂😂

Kylee

I’m live commentating this shit so sorry in advance 😘 ‘How can I be yours, if you’re not mine?’ - ‘What if he’s written mine on my upper thigh only in my mind?’ Also, Me & You together song. I can see Taylor saying the just friends thing because clearly with the timing of that, she wasn’t exactly available haha I’m hoping you throw in Somebody Else in there. I don’t even know what album that one’s from, I just always felt like it was about her.

Aleesha Hunter

Guysss I need an exhaustive list of all the 1975 songs I should be doing a lyrical deep dive on, I can’t keep up! 😵‍💫

Kylee

If you know what I am referring to, I believe Taylor would call it love lorn, the rest of us would call it regret. 😭

Joanna

YESSSSS yes yes yes yes yes I haven’t even watched yet but I’m saying YES!!! I’m a long time 1975 stan and you will be seeing me in the lizard review comments because i am 1000% sat the fuck down. That is a both a promise and a threat lol

Ally ❤️

The whole thing about sweaters and weather - really think that Fortnight is a response to When We Are Together…

Ally ❤️

It wasn’t sexy once it wasn’t forbidden

Ally ❤️

Matty: “Say a few things just to win it” Taylor: “at dinner parties I call you out on your contrarian shit…” but it could never be….

Ally ❤️

Matty: “Give your self a new name” Taylor: “My name is whatever you decide…”

Ally ❤️

Matty: “I’ve been suicidal” Taylor: “You told Lucy you’d kill yourself if I ever leave…”

Ally ❤️

Oh Caroline’s bridge refers to James Taylor’s Carolina In My Mind

Hayley

Agreed! It is pretty crazy. I really do think that they were/are in a codependent-narcissist cycle. Those connections are so incredibly strong and hard to break. They are like toxic magnets to each other. The cycle is also really confusing to people outside of the relationship. Check.

Michaela Wagner

You can close your phone and still listen to it!

WendyK-H

Im cackling at “someone too stupid to be demented…more on that later” !!! Also- eyeshadow slayyy :)

liz

seconding inside your mind

Leslie

It's probably my favorite 1975 song and it never occurred to me that it might be about Taylor until after TTPD came out and I revisited some 1975 songs through that lens. Definitely some parallels to other songs he's probably written about her ("all those dreams where you're my wife...") He had a total breakdown onstage singing it in Singapore last year. That's also the weekend Taylor took "About You" off her preshow playlist so I always thought something went down between them around that time.

Jed

Lmao me too hearing our accent always catches me so off guard

reese !!

somebody else is pretty crazy in context to the taylor matty and calvin timeline

Maja Gunhold

omg god blessed me so hard today with this

Maja Gunhold

you brushing your face kills me

George Nelson

I have also noticed that the “hush when no one is around my dear” melody in mirrorball is copied and sang in half time in about you with “do you think I have forgotten about you”. Those two songs have always stuck out to me as cosmically linked.

Liz A

I thought he did I thought that was their only feature at the Grammys

Liz A

The only thing isn’t he implying he doesn’t want her in that like he broke it off? And I always thought it was her that broke things off the first time or maybe like a mutual agreement bc of the fame aspect

Liz A

100p

Liz A

Me and you together song he’s said is a composite of like 4 ppl - but it does really have taylor energy because that’s the song he was being super hyper about playing on tour when they were dating and also the music video has you belong w me vibes. Also people have said he purposely called it that so it has Taylor’s initials in it

Liz A

There are some lines though where I’m like hm that doesn’t sound like taylor

Kate Ayers

Agreed idk the timing but the bridge screams Taylor to me; "I can't give you my soul cause we're never alone"

Lexi

they really both are so insane!! TTPD title track said it best! “cause we’re… crAZZYYY”

Clara

jack was nominated for lana, taylor, and the 1975’s bfiafl this past grammy year and they were on his credits but he didn’t give them a shoutout when he won

Clara

i’d also like to add that he himself was on tour for the rest of that year outside the U.S. so that also probably contributed to his decision to break things off. his tour just ended this past march so i could see how all the backlash and timing/touring contributed to their end. he was with her in nyc until the last minute before he had to leave for a show in europe so i think the ghosting took place over the phone when they were both already away from each other in june or july. the initial breakup article from june was so weird saying things like “they’re still friends” and “who knows what could happen again in the future.” i think they were probably still in contact at that point and her removing about you in late july is pretty telling.

Rachel

If someone wrote "I've been in love with her for ages, and I can't seem to get it right. I fell in love with her in stages my whole life" about me, I might lose my mind too. So I get it unfortunately lmao

Rachel

" I think the story needs more pages" kill me

Sara Sweet

Me, born and raised in Orange County CA: 🥲🥲🥲

LH

“I said ‘I don’t mind, it takes time’”

Laine Wagner

rumor has it slut! was going to be a collab with the 1975. I’ve been trying to find out for months if this rumor is actually true. apparently people received vinyls with the additional verse and everything… but don’t get it twisted, that doesn’t mean i’m saying songs on 1989 are about Matty…but a collab for the TV is FASCINATING

Laine Wagner

also what’s up with all the train references in their music about each other???

Ari

I literally did lol at that!

Ari

The train references are so interesting to me....the ones you read from the 1975 songs, plus "you know that my train could take you home..." and "you took the night train for a reason..." Much to think about!

Jaiden McDaniel

Something even more deranged is that around October, Matty added Question…? To the 1975 pre show playlist, and Taylor added About You to the eras pre show playlist, then removed it after they broke up. Also Matty himself said A Change of Heart was partly inspired by Taylor, and Somebody Else could definitely be about her too because she was hanging around him and Calvin at the same time and I guess ended up ditching him for Calvin. She also referenced this on COSOSOM and Question…?

Michaela Wagner

i'm so glad calvin harris isn't a song writer and we didn't have to sit here and do this with his music

Michaela Wagner

LMAO though i do love the idea of her being like "um actually i am much better at lyricism than you" in a dead serious way

SW

Hey hear me out.... I just listened to your Lizard Episode on 1975 songs. The sweater lyric; not only does it connect to FORTNITE but...let me cook....CARDIGAN! Why didn't we put it together sooner!?

Hayley

I think the lyrics are also possibly a sign of narcissistic devaluation. Saying someone used to have the face out of a magazine but now just looks like anyone is cruel. But ironically something like this could absolutely hook you into that person even more if they are someone whose attention and approval you crave. Not saying it’s about Taylor. But I think the song might say something about Matty as well as the subject of the song.

Katebushesdaughter

I’m late to this but I was listening to me and you together song and one line really stood out to me “I think the story needs more pages” I was mulling it over with a glass of wine in my hand when it hit me why this was so familiar: “and if the story is over why am I still writing pages” 😀 And the fact this came out in 2020 after Lover…insane. Can’t wait to hear your full take on the lizard review.

Siobhan

What creeps me out about these songs is that some of these are so generic (like About You) I bet he told multiple women it was about them LOL

SarahS

Girl, you are cracking me up, you are so funny! May I gently say that you completely do not seem to 'get' Matty's ironic, British sense of humor. Taking him waaayyy too seriously, he's a troll. I think that's why she says, "who's gonna troll you" in TTPD title song. She's so aware he's a troll and she trolling him right back, lol. I loved your reaction to realizing that Midnights and BFIAFL came out within a week of each other. And, regarding that interview with Matty in November of 2022, he said they did work on Midnights together, but that version of it never came out. He said it was "for reasons that are not to be criticized" and "she's amazing". Personally, I kind of wonder if it didn't come out because Joe found out about them... (total speculation, but it would make sense).

Sarah. Armstrong

I absolutely love watching you figure things out. Also yes he's evil

Sarah. Armstrong

I'm unfortunately seated for his next album but I also live in fear of the RAT

Vanessa Marshall

This hurts to watch. Unfortunately, you really have to do a fair bit of cross-referencing, and you need to understand the story, in order to understand what songs MH wrote about Taylor. It's completely not delusion. It's actually a very complicated web that they have woven about each other and for each other. You can hate him if you like, but they are incredible muses for each other and they have written over 50 songs about each other. I Like It When You Sleep: Somebody Else, A Change of Heart (fyi - Taylor is the one who says "I just had a change of heart", NOT Matty!), This Could Be My Dream. A Brief Inquiry: Be My Mistake (not about being with Halsey while with Taylor), I Couldn't Be More In Love (altered to seem like it was about fans, but originally written for Taylor). Notes: MYTS, Roadkill, (possibly Tonight I Wish I Was Your Boy). Being Funny: About You, Oh Caroline, All I Need To Hear, Human Too, When We Are Together, Part of the Band (partially). Also worth noting that The City and Robbers are her fave songs from his first album. He has previously dedicated those and fallingforyou to her when she attended his shows.

Kathryn

Ok I know this is a super late response lol, but this is so true. I watched this video for the first time when I didn’t know the 1975, and rewatching it as a fan kinda hurts. It’s ok that she doesn’t rlly get the 1975, but all the slander is a little ridiculous when she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. I’m still a fan of EOS tho! (Obv cause I pay for Patreon lol)

Lala

Sorry this is so late but I slowly catch up on the patreon stuff every once in a while. (woooo! so much content!!) I think the line "you used to have a face straight out of a magazine but now you just look like anyone" is a continuation of the lines before which is someone telling that to him. I've always assumed it was because they were worried about him because he was spiraling into drug addiction at this time.

Jelousyje

It's so funny to be writing this after more than a year later, but it kills me that the lyrics are so generic, aside from a few Taylor references and I JUST KNOW that’s how he won her over while she was trying to escape her relationship with Joe. Matty is so narcissistic that I’m sure he told all his girlfriends these songs were about them. And just to drop a fun fact: Matty met Gabriette in 2019 when he recruited her to form a band with Charli for a Netflix movie that nobody watched..... do you see how that works?

James

I feel like the 1975s ne mat record is either gonna be ALL about Taylor or it's not even gonna reference her