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Trawling through some hateration.........enjoy!

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Sean

This came when I needed it so badly! Thanks zach

santi

ZACHERY!!!

chappell roan

i love the month of september so happy to be living in it right now !! 😍

chappell roan

now my adhd ahh first saw this and really went Girl, So Confusing cause i thought it WAS september it’s a noconceptoftimeomenon apparently

carolyn 🫶

listening to the recent kiki lounge and this notification came exactly when zach said “it’s like going on a plane and saying it’s giving 9/11 in the best way” and i just needed to share cause the timing has me shook!

Loomy

Please just upload the YouTube stuff here, tbh it’s been kinda feeling dry here since June, not your fault! But I’ll be sad if we are losing content again, after the end of the discord recordings.

Swiftologist

You'll always get patreon spaces !!! We try to do at least 2 per month. But I will be making stuff for YT exclusively as well sawry doll

chappell roan

while i DO think this is a good idea, i wouldn’t really say it has been dry for content i personally feel there has been a LOT! i also think the YT stuff should be for higher paying tiers like snakeolgoist deluxe and up. but idk i’m not the snakes and honestly i didn’t even need to add to this but lol

Loomy

Yeah it’s prob just that I miss the discord recordings, they were long, funny recordings that I very much liked. (The Reddit readings from madiline had me CRYING. The funniest thing they have ever posted imo)

Sara Sweet

Waiiiiit I left a Stan comment on this thread you better have seen it!!! Hand heart some people just don’t GET ITTTT

Swiftologist

I mean....just for the record, this is what we posted in July: 1 x 50 min Patreon space from Zack 1 x 36 min Patreon space from Madeline 1 x 1.5 hr Besties episode 1 x 1 hr Kiki Lounge 1 x 1 hr Sister Songs 1 x 2 hr Britney Spears stream from Zack 1 x 40 min Matty Healy song reaction from Madeline 1 x 1 hr Kiki Lounge 1 x 30 min Patreon space from Zack ... and still to come for this month alone: 2 episodes of Phone a Snake (one for paywall only) and Besties. I'm not really seeing 'dry' here tbh dslkfnlksdn it's kind of above and beyond what's actually included in your membership. <3

Loomy

Yea I’m prolly just projecting cuz I’ve been busy and haven’t noticed some of that stuff lol, sorry besties!

Jozinga

These people making these comments don’t deserve your content ngl 💀

Blue

Some people just really can’t handle big Scorpio energy. Stay golden🤍🦂

emma 🌷

r/travisandtaylor is a hellscape

Lia

“I present my opinions eloquently and with conviction, and to you, that upsets you because you don’t agree, and yet you don’t know how to articulate the fact that you don’t agree back to me in the face of what I said to you.” Zack, this is SUCH a good point. I’m not sure if you’ll be able to relate (although I suspect you will in some way), but growing up as a rather precocious, articulate, studious child, (and even now as an adult), I think people who lack the capacity to understand what you’re saying, or even the good faith willingness to try to engage with and discern it, are the QUICKEST to jump to the criticism of “you’re a know-it-all” “you’re full of yourself” “you’re narcissistic” etc. I feel like part of it throughout my life has been gendered, because people really hate to see a well-spoken, outspoken woman (and it honestly became an insecurity for me, where I’m like, wait, am I know it all? Am I a bitch? Or am I just confident in my knowledge and able to articulate my convictions? And I really think it’s the latter, because I try very hard to be kind and accommodating to people), but I feel like it’s such an easy insult to throw at a smart and articulate person. People are so insecure about their inability to make a rebuttal at the same intellectual level, so they resort to insulting and demeaning your intellectualism itself, making it out to be a bad thing, when it’s really just a skill that they both desire and lack.

Sophia

I personally don’t think you talk enough about how you met Taylor. If that was me I’d never stop yapping about it.

Alicia

They say when you get a lot of haters you're making it! 😉 chin up and walk with that crown held high!! Some of this made me so sad for you to hear because its so false & skewed. I don't claim to know you, but I have faithfully listened for couple years now and support both you and LR so I can hear more (more more more lol) because you all are so damn entertaining. If they dont understand your humor, let it elude em! Like Madeline says "you wouldn't get it" or "you wouldn't understand" - fuxk em really. You're rad kiddo 💋💋

Emery

For people to make assumptions about your character through a screen is insane enough, and the fact they continue to watch makes me laugh! Are you not entertained????

April Brookshire

My theory about Joe’s widows is that they’re the type of women who enable the crappy men in their lives. The man-children, the users, the deadbeat dads, the emotionally unavailable men, their sons or brothers who are cheaters, etc. I think Taylor enabled Joe’s do-nothing, feel sorry for himself, give nothing behavior until she had an epiphany that he would never change and kicked him to the curb.

Lisa

How boring would a content creator be if they said exactly what you want them to all the time?! I love Madeline and yourself because I agree with 95% of what you say and the rest I just think huh, interesting viewpoint. Then again I’m capable of nuance and am not threatened by opposing viewpoints which are qualities I think many people lack nowadays.

Tiffany T

I am so here for full-timeology 🫶🫶🫶

Finley

i really agree that some people really cant see your opinions due to their own misunderstandings of you. first of all, i think the preemptive hate on you causes people to already see you in a critical manner. i have swiftie friends who hated you and had terribly misinterpreted views on you and then when i told them im a big fan and really love your takes and eloquent ways of content, they rewatched your stuff and now love you and get it. i really think that a lot of people (especially younger) are effected by the communities opinion on you and have a hard time feeling like they are contrarian for liking you, i think a lot of people are just “haters” even when theyve never watched you outside of 40 second snippets on twitter, simply because its popular to disagree with the swiftologist. second of all, something i really notice is peoples inability to discern your confident opinions from you saying facts. the amount of people who expect you to portray your opinions in an insecure manner just so it makes them comfortable with it being your opinion is very interesting. i think people struggle because youre very well read and intelligent, and people struggle to hear your opinions as if they arent facts because you portray them with a lot of conviction (which tbh is simply because youre an outstanding entertainer and know how to sell your opinions in a structured manner). i just think it throws people off sadly, and a lot of them are too parasocial to approach taylor as a brand as well as a human being, which youre very good at. but, all in all i really have never seen you as dehumanising taylor and honestly think youre so classy with how you go about having strong opinions but still have clear boundaries about things. you get a lot of hate for simply being well spoken and confident in what you do and not desperately trying to please everyone all the time like most other swiftie creators who are as big as you guys. and honestly someone elses trash is someone elses treasure because i love how confident and full of personality you are and its the main reason i watch 😭♥️

Madeline

i think the comments about how they’re angry at you presenting your opinions as “fact” are so absurd. one of the main things they first teach you when writing an essay is to not say “i think” every time you make one of your points, because it’s assumed everything you’re writing in YOUR essay is YOUR opinion. media literacy is dead i can’t. also it’s the fact that you literally include a disclaimer at the beginning of your videos as well.

nicole

This new “don’t paternity test” thing and that they think you’re invasive if you look into who a song is about only started after TTPD. Because they don’t want it, or other songs it hints to, to be about Matty. That’s it. That’s the whole reason. They were fine with it before when every happy song to ever exist was about Joe, but people are so anti-Matty that they get on their high horse and pretend the reason why is because we shouldn’t care what song is about who. People still refuse to believe Cardigan could be about Matty even though Taylor told us directly that it is, just because they don’t want it to ruin the song. Which just comes across so immature.

hannah

people who make sweeping, lengthy generalizations about your personal psyche because they’ve consumed your content is… well, it’s kind of giving swiftlyneutral. constructive feedback is one thing but so much of this just emanates insecurity. there are so many creators i don’t like and i just… don’t talk about them. unless they did something truly awful like the Cody Ko it all… who gives a shit? genuinely? like log off and watch content you actually like? also - your snark, sass, whatever you want to call it - it’s entertainment. it’s genuine as much as it is your personal bit that you lean into and luckily there are a lot of us who really enjoy it! so keep it up and sorry people are honestly so weird lmao.

hannah

oh SPEAK!!!!!!

Lia

“A lot of them are too parasocial to approach Taylor as a brand as well as a human being” period!!! I think it’s really hard to shake off the “cult of swiftieism” behavior—and like I get it, because I was once a fifteen-year-old girl who was hand hearting all over tumblr.com a decade ago, but there also comes a time to grow up and try to appreciate a more nuanced take! And I love that EOAS offers us that.

Yasmine Berrada

Please guys (also Zach and Madeline)! I really want to know how to get vip tickets resale for the Eras Tour european dates. I am wanting to go to 2 dates in August one General Admission and one Front Standing Right if I can but I really want Vip and I don't know whag website to use, what app to download pkease help sos Also zach you're awesome !! Thank you

Laura

I takes a brave person to speak their truth online. One of the reasons I like you. Sure I don’t agree with all your takes but I can not stand the people pleasing YouTubers! So thank you for being yourself!

Valtteri Iivarinen

Fun fact the reason I deleted my twitter was the hate you were getting on there 😭 I compeletely fell through a cupcake swiftie rabbit hole and was so gagged I had to leave lmao

missfannyprice

omg ur so strong for doing this damn

Abby

I've never understood the criticism about giving your opinions confidently. It wouldn't be your opinion if you didn't believe in it! I can always rely on you and Madeline to give your honest opinions in a thoughtful and considered way which is so refreshing. Even if I disagree, I can still respect where you're coming from. Plus, different opinions just makes things more interesting. Not sure why some people want to live in a Swiftie dictatorship where we all agree all the time... I also really appreciate that you are always open to new information and changing your mind - a truly underrated quality imho 💕

Lexi

it’s funny every person criticizing you clearly doesn’t watch/listen to you enough to get the vibe. like stop half-hate watching and get a life LOSERS! go touch grass!!!

Julie

I don’t think people understand a kiki and it seems like even though you say these are opinions in all of your content they seem to forget this as soon as you say something they don’t like.

Krista 🤓🫀🧠

There is absolutely a generational trend in not understanding sarcasm and humor. I’ve been a college teacher for 15 years, and increasingly students don’t understand when I am being funny or being sarcastic. The loss of the ability to pick up on that plus the cultural trends to attack other people just to be heard make for a troublesome combo online.

Jill

Re: The sections of Reddit that love when you criticize TS for being a billionaire but hate it when you call Joe the Heirloom Turkey…so it’s not okay for a woman to become a billionaire with her talent and business acumen, but we should clap and cheer for one of the most mediocre British White men to get paid to do absolutely nothing in movies and complain about how he dislikes fame? The misogyny of it all…

Jill

(At those Redditers ofc, not at you)

Jill

I quit Twitter in 2016 and never regretted it

Jill

A lot of these haters sound jealous…like most haters and bigots are

An Actual Lizard

I used to be friends with people who would say they are "turned off by the arrogance of a content creator". These people lack self esteem and are intimidated by those who can say their opinion to a large room with confidence. They don't understand it is a bit, or a content creator playing up their personality for entertainment. Please keep shining Zach. I find you not hemming on hawing about certain things and just drawing a firm line (such as no gaylors allowed) makes me feel safer as your fan and an inhabitant of the discord: we're here to have nuanced discussions about the girlie with the understanding this is all in good fun.

Lewis

Preach on it. This is very very accurate.

Rosario Varela

That hurt☹️they really don’t have the attention span to watch all the content or videos through, for example he always draws boundaries with Taylor as a person which is the key to tell that he cares. It’s so weird and concerning how people spread hate with such confidence🙄😳

Roxyy

Maybe you can make a video about this topic one day, not like it would change people's minds but still

h

I'm a teacher too and I notice this as well. It's alarming to me how listening comprehension and interpretation have plummeted in the general population under ~25yo. Like everything needs to be spelled out plainly at all times. Scary stuff considering they'll be running the world someday

Abby

Their sense of humor and lack of critical thinking is disappointing.

Audrey Marsala

Raised MY blood pressure, can’t imagine how it feels to receive so many of these messages. Even though these are probably like mentally ill 12 year olds it’s just crazy to attack someone’s CHARACTER when all you know about them is their opinions on Taylor Swift. Like that’s a crazy thing to do.

Theresa Mayo Tinaglia

That makes sense especially if you think about them defending Joe because he's become a proxy for the crappy men in their own lives that they are still enabling.

Hannah

I really expected this to finish with "Try and come for my job"

Kristina Frost

All I could keep thinking when listening to this was LOLs. 😂 Also I'm going to pocket this wisdom from you: "Haters are just confused admirers." 🔥

ccynthesyzer

You should have ended with “try. and. come. for. my. job.”

Lisa

I agree that a lot of this upcoming generation does not understand nuance or hyperbolic expression. I don’t know why everyone is so goddamn serious all the time. I also feel like there is a decided lack of “literary analysis“. It feels like a lot of people don’t understand how to think critically and in a nuance way about her work. Also, I feel like you and Madeline have been so careful in a lot of ways to not dehumanize her by not talking about some of the more delicate aspects of her life (intimate relationship details with boyfriend/miscarriage rumors that sort of thing)

MonsefMA

There’s a great video on youtube called “Subjectivity is implied” that I think you’d find interesting. It articulates the struggle of opinion sharing especially online.

Lauren Pollini

Oh this was awesome, so much to unpack and respond to here. Zack, as a “pathological people pleaser,” I find your comfort with being provocative and challenging haters to be *so inspiring*. The “know when to take a note and when to leave one” is spot on. Second, the Swiftie community at large takes itself waaaaayyyy too fucking seriously. I love the Snakes because y’all have such a fantastic sense of humor about all this. I love the running Heirloom Turkey jokes, the Katy and Demi jokes, etc etc. If y’all were just nice all the time you would be boring. Never change. Finally, as a non-Tayvis pilled Swiftie who similarly does not gaf about the purses, I feel very appreciative of Zack’s *normal and sane* response to Travis. He’s fine; I am here for the music. Thank you for representing the dozens of us who are not deeply invested in this relationship 😂

Finley

i agree! i actually struggle to watch other swifties content after joining this patreon because i genuinely will miss the constructive criticism and feedback that those people never give 😭 eoas is just so special and such a great community for ACTUALLY reviewing taylor content and having meaningful convos

Finley

this is so true and i hadnt thought about that 😭 because these are the same people who will bring up jake immediately when all too well is mentioned but they hate when people mention matty when we talk about but daddy i love him… its clear that they just want to pretend matty never happened

Terry B

Zack, you’re thoughtful and fair; your deadpan/ smug humour and Madeline’s LOL chuckles complement each other 🤗 You aren’t arrogant, coz you shared your clips of screaming singing along at the concert. How you confessed you support woman’s rights and wrongs 🤗 Queen Tay’d appreciate conscientious Swiftie like you who makes genuine effort to discover and share lyrical clues. Best wishes to your full-time Swiftology career — kickstarter fundraising for your channel and tours to US? 🤗

WendyK-H

I’m living for you and Madeline as the best friend duo since middle school on tumblr, and loved hearing all the antics from abroad. You guys bring me much joy!

Juliana McKenna

I never mention the concept of projecting, but I will right now. They’re projecting… I have projected my own biases on you Zach. To my detriment. When people say you’re demanding grace, without offering it back, they don’t realize you fight back BECAUSE you care and want a solution with your qualm. You’ve literally came for my neck on the fifth harmony episode, and you were gracious when you did it. I think this concept has been really well executed.

nicole

Also this is so random but I loved your ranking eras tour outfits video from last year if you’d consider doing another one! We only have so long until the tour is over now 😅😭

Cynthia

Zack- social media has made all this hate far too easy; it's so depressing how mean people are everywhere all the time. And I think especially in the US. This country has created such a profound generation of terrible, rude people with no manners; no understanding of journalism, no understanding of opinion pieces; varying opinions, etc. This bodes extremely darkly/ poorly for the future of the US; just censor, just cancel; just say anything you want with no thought of your words etched in stone forever in the cloud-- no one thinks of this anymore-- just do what you do -- you and Madeline are so much fun to listen to and both so intelligent. Thanks for all your efforts!

Paula

Funny how they get mad when you say Taylor is a brand since Taylor Swift herself said once in an interview that she is a brand and that a person becomes a brand the moment they sell something, and that either you can embrace it or deny it😂 i think the interview was during the red era

Paula

Yep, it was the interview with Katie Couric

Lain Pierce

When I block someone, it is because they are annoying and pointless. When someone blocks me, it is because the light of my truth is an existential threat to the darkness of their ignorance.

BananaCassandra

Zack rubs me the right way. Literally became a Swift fan through your videos on YouTube. I haven’t been able to find another Taylor Swift creator who’s able to deliver your level of thoughtful commentary. Just now realizing the rub comment may have came off weird haha I meant it innocently

Terry B

Behind wheels and Online anonymity and instant comments get the worst impulse out of people. I bet in person they are nice. Technology should not replace our natural instincts and humanity. I visit games channels that are opposite to my interests so their reviews help balance out my hype buying impulse. Different views are hard on our ears but that’s what helps build mutual understanding and peace (agree to disagree)

Terry B

Me too. I was a casual pop fan and appreciate Swift’s influence on pop culture and her work ethic; the fans’ positive vibes in the concert was really uplifting (especially post-covid) I started to try to study 11+ albums but Swiftologist is the best informative and entertaining channel! Zach is like JSTOR (tv) 🤗🤣~

Abby

zack the future of your commentary is so bright, i’m stoked for fulltime ologist… don’t feel inclined to do this but…. i would be absolutely seated for going through the years of lana’s career …

Aleesha Hunter

Thanks for this gem Zach 🫶 I do think there’s a piece to this where younger people (*sweeping generalization alert*) find it very difficult to “like” someone, and disagree with them at the same time. Like, there’s avoiding confrontation and then there’s straight up conflict phobia! Why can’t you fathom to enjoy 90% of someone’s content/takes/commentary and occasionally think “no way, that ain’t right!” …and just keep smiling?! Your world becomes SO incredibly small if you only listen to people you agree with 100% of the time. How fucking boring can you be?

Georgea

just seems that so many people struggle with sense of humor, nuance and persona. It’s like every single public person has the moral obligation to be your best friend and if they are not following “a moral code”- which by the way varies SO MUCH from culture to culture- they are not “nice” or “kind” or whatever which even if someone wasn’t- what’s the problem with a little bit of kiki I don’t get it. I love listening to the pod and watching the videos because it gives me that feeling of culture, thought and a sense of humour and persona hmm idk Seinfeld comes to mind for some reason. just feels like such a lack of perspective. Also to separate work x person. I am spiriling thinking about this anyway ur work is great

Lidia Dias

Hey! Thank you for addressing this, I can only imagine how delicate (no pun intended, but I'll accept it) this subject matter must be for a content creator. I just wanted to say, whenever people outside the fandom (my parents, for example) ask me about the Taylor phenomenon and why she's as big as she is, I always point them to your videos. I feel like you're one of the very few people that takes her art both seriously enough to analyse, as one would any other piece of art, and lightly enough that it doesn't come across like you're some kind of obsessed, delusional teenager. Your criticisms of her, opinions on songs, marketing or PR strategy, are only proof of how much you respect her and her legacy as an artist, and of how deep your love for her craft actually runs. Even when I disagree, I feel like you lay out your arguments well enough that I understand not only where you're coming from, but exactly where your reasoning and mine diverge, which I find fascinating. So thank you again, for being a Swiftie we can trust.

Terry B

online chats and texts miss crucial tone of voice and body language that teach us how to get along with fellow humans! While phone calls are personal immediate connections for friends; writing is good for legal / business 🙂‍↕️…Now ppl can’t talk politely, can’t spell, and can’t write proper biz letters! Calculators and A.I. make us dumb 🙄

Meta Covington

“taylor swift is a brand, and she is a conglomerate, she is not just a person […] the product is her, the product is her story, the product is her emotions. she sells them to us.” SOMEONE GET THIS BITCH A PDCAST gag city i’m baked and this is the one most on point thing ive ever heard CALL Aaron Sorkin!!!