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☎️ Phone a Snake: Reacting to YOUR Unpopular Taylor Swift Opinions (Patreon)

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2024-09-23 15:00:11
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Welcome back to Phone a Snake, the monthly listener call-in segment. In today’s episode, there’s a new approach on the table: reacting to your most unhinged (and shocking) unpopular Taylor Swift opinions. Some of these calls are truly shocking. Swiftie cards will be checked at the door before entry!  

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Jerry

Omg I missed this turn

Grace

Yay!

Gabrielle Zaidman

ooohhhhhhh yessssssss another video. the ultimate content creators 😌

Sofie

The best thing about exile is exile ft the eras tour crowd

Emery

13th like 😁 and you both are literally glowing. Thanks for feeding us mom and dad

Alison Bell

First caller is TASTELESS.

Chas

That rep opinion GAGGED me. I was in a meeting and had to turn off my camera cos my face y’all 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🫠🫠🫠🫠

Marianna D

I choked when Zac said well my best friend did not die 😂😂

Figment

Omg the cat owner comment 😂 I’m laughing but as a cat mom, I can’t help but kinda agree with the cat nanny thought.

Hect

Omg lizard I loooove your sweater and the combination with the pink DIVA UP ✨

Maria

I think Dorothea is about Karlie

Haoua Cisse

JAIL JAIL nobody talks bad about Long Live

Dajah

2:24-2:29 new EOAS meme format just dropped

Jade Olivia

This is wild 😂 I should have called in but my unpopular opinion is that while I’m super excited for the Rep vault, I am dreadinggg the re-recordings because the vocals won’t be much improved and I fear the production is going to be fucked up.

Kenna

With all respect to these phone call divas, DELULUuuu!!! 🫶🏻I listened to this on my way to work and my eye was twiitttcchinnggg the whole time! Thank God the reptiles slapped some logic and boundaries into this convo. Swiftie cards not dated before 2013 will not be served!!!

callista

okay some of y’all… i’m scared

chappell roan

babes, I don’t think you are in the right place! or maybe you mistyped. could you please correct yourself? the snake nation thanks you.

Maria

Yes let me be clear! I’m not saying anything beyond friendship. It’s a song about the loss of that friendship.

dee

do these people know how to have fun? I need to know

Angelina

Those were WILD I was not expecting this level of delusion 🤭

T

It's so serious that there are only 2 kinds of people in our world - Those who think the Alchemy is about Matty, and those who think it is about Travis.

Hayley Unwin

Your reactions made me laugh so much - if anyone ever accuses you guys of hating Taylor again just get them to listen to this!!

Abby

Long Live slander GAGGED MEEEEEEEEE. My job dropped. Eyes popped out of my head. I cried during the film on Disney Plus bc I didn’t get it at Tampa shows. Also Long Live was my HS graduation song. HAND HEART. HAND HEART. IM A SWIFTIE. PS- I get to show her to my son who is 3. Shake It Off is his fave 🫶

Alexandria Roswick

I’m literally NEVER unsubscribing 🫶🏻 this is too good

ccynthesyzer

I love how hard y’all had to heart handle today 😂

Davis Le

Oh my god, these confessions were insane. The speak now one being too long got me😦💀

Liv

You’re right and you should say it!!

Pauline Chatelan

THE HOMECOMING IN THE ALCHEMY IS ABOUT COMING BACK TO AN AMERICAN BOY!!!!! “These blokes warmed the benches", blokes is british slang and refers ironically to the string of pretentious british dudes she dated until she came back to where she belongs: the American myth of the popular girl and the boy on the football team. That’s the lyric that unlocks the song. Period.

Pauline Chatelan

There are anthology tracks on vinyls guys…… all the bonus vinyls with the black dog, the albatross, the manuscript……. So not sure it works as a definitive argument in favour of the timeline

Jane McGowan

In defense of Taylor against the serial monogamy accusations: despite there not being a ton of time between Joe -> Matty, she spends a lot of time on TTPD basically saying that she had checked out of Turkeytown for a while before it came to a hard close. So to say that she couldn’t form a meaningful relationship because it happened so fast, may I direct you to Guilty As Sin? She had been doing some professional pining while still shackled to the Turkey. Also, Zach has cited in the past that at the Rep secret sessions, Taylor described the Calvin relationship as “something she couldn’t claw her way out of.” May I direct you to Getaway Car? “I wanted to leave him, I needed a reason.” I don’t think it’s fair to say that her new relationships fresh out of a breakup can’t be meaningful, because she has basically told us that she is able to come to terms with the end of a relationship before it even happens. Just some food for thought, I love my snakes!

Jimmy

YES

Z

This was crazyyyyyy

Leslie

Taylor herself said that she sent TTPD off for pressing around the end of the US Eras leg, which was early-mid August. She had been dating Travis a month max at that point (unless you're one of the people who think they were secretly dating before he even talked about the friendship bracelet thing but sorry, that's just fanfiction). I guess it's possible she would have written that song for him a month in, but unlikely IMO. Also, I can't find it now, but in one of her onstage speeches really early in the tour (like March or April 2023) she said something about "the alchemy of an amazing crowd" or something along those lines. That's around the time she would have been "running back home" to Matty so it would make sense she wrote that song around that time and was Easter egging onstage. Plus, Madeline's lyrical analysis is bulletproof. CASE CLOSED. Anyway this is the best Phone a Snake ever!!! More of these please.

Kris

Looooool the reactions were so funny but guys, the mouth noises are too much. Idk if you guys are chewing or what but it’s a lot

JJ

Also some people are in relationships and they are already OUT! They are mentally out of that relationship? Like I think from what we got from midnights was that Taylor was in a mental cage where she struggled to leave Joe and sometimes you do certain mental healing during a lacklustre relationship

Brodie Boyd

I'm genuinely confused lol...why are these people here anyway?! Are you trying to be martyred for your pick me comments 😂

Marco Rubboli

Your best Phone a Snake episode ever

Abby

The Alchemy one absolutely killed me 😭

Abby

Wait … it’s not about Travis kelce?

Abby

🚨 Swiftie card revoked!!! 🚨 someone's gotta say it...

Rachel Lees

Omg…. These are unreal. Everyone needs to freaking SIT DOWN and CLAP when they are fed. 😡

DatBoiOnline

I didn't notice the mouth noises, unless if you mean like the breathing and laughing etc. but that's normal for any podcast where they have high quality mics. No offense but I don't see a problem

Hannah

I really could see Travis making the heroine joke after them talking about how Matty does heroin. Like it does sound bro-y! And she says blokeS so they’re talking about Joe and Matty cuz plural. Some of the comeback stuff I can see as her just like coming back to her true self. But the snakes are probably right because what the heck is she forgiving? Travis’ stupid old Tweets? And what is this sign on the heart? (For either Travis OR Matty?) Lol ok novel over.

Joan Chan

The Alchemy has always bamboozled me - the lyrics are all pointing to Matty, other than it’s so weird that she wrote a song with football metaphor directly before dating a football player (but then End Game has existed for years so she’s just a witch I guess). But then Taylor seems to have played the alchemy as a surprise song multiple times in contexts that is making it about Travis now. Which she is also doing with older songs but it does seem more unhinged to sing a love song to your current boyfriend that was about the boyfriend directly before it. I do not understand her mind sometimes!!

Hannah

Ok ok just saw the comment about the pressings being in August. If the Super Bowl had happened before then I’d be so convinced but must be Matty

Alice Lahoda

My theory is and always has been that the song is more about that feeling of a new relationship and how she's so clearly addicted to it. I think there's a little Matty and a little Travis in there, but it's mostly about the feeling and takes bits from both of those relationships to put in the lyrics.

Kris

Nah, not the breathing or laughing. The slurping into the mic. I just have super sensitive hearing, which is a me problem

Alice Lahoda

Also the thing that always irks me is when people say the timeline doesn't line up because 6 months before April 19 is October 19. They'd been dating just over 2 months at that point. That's longer than her entire relationship with Matty. Like are we seriously acting like Taylor can't turn around lyrics about a new relationship in a few days? Esp since she'd been going to Travis's games for a month by then so she absolutely would have had time to write a song with a football metaphor by then lol. Like it's just silly to pretend there's NO but of her relationship with Travis in there, but I also think it's not all about him. The "heroin but this time with an E" line is a connection to both Matty and Travis (smoking your jokes, etc)

Hannah

I know, I’m like “I can’t afford my $8/month Hulu plan” but then spend $15 on besties lite lol

Alice Lahoda

I actually thought about the cat thing earlier this year when my cat died, and one of my first thoughts was "damn I wish Taylor had a song about this type of heartbreak for me to cry to" because it's just not the same as a human death but it's still so deeply painful

Alice Lahoda

That's "people who think it's about both of them and more importantly it's about the feeling of a new relationship" erasure!!!

rachel☁️

Ok but the same happened to me.. come back be here is my Song for her 😭😭💔

Terry B

Reputation tracks grew on me after watching ERA tour. Her performance makes her songs more compelling-immersive (^_^)

Terry B

(^_^) In her TIFF interview, she mentioned “Devil’s Backbone” an early horror by Del Toro— didn’t know she likes fantasy horror? Podcast “Good/Bad billionaires” by BBC analyze different individuals, including Queen Tay and AIMEE if you wonder how they got rated (^_<)

froot encore

These... I was certainly gagged alright..

Nicholas

I’ve NEVER laughed SOO hard listening to an episode 🤣😂😅

Lexi

i’ll be giggling and blushing thinking of jimmy from los angeles voice all week 🤭🤭🫣thank you so much for another slay episode snakes!!!

Terry B

Oh she’s waiting to post on IG after the cat lady term. AI was great timing to get involved 😃 Just worried about her staff and friends’ safety 🤔😱

Makayla

these…have..silenced me in a way I didn’t think I could be silenced.

Yohaha

My take on The Alchemy is that she repurposed a song about Matty to make it appear to be about Travis. The football reference and the placement of the song on the track list (if you see the first 16 songs as one single album) are obvious or on-the-nose enough for people to miss or ignore the Matty references (child’s play, hospital, etc).

Terry B

We should boycott X: Musk joked about how come nobody go after Harris? And his gross remarks about having babies with our Queen?! He’s THE evil billionaire MAN! 🤔

Terry B

My pet fish 🐠 died on my birthday 😢 took me a week to announce to my family. She’ll write a song when someday they pass 🥺

iLaney90

Me, listening to the first few opinions: 👁👄👁

Ari

All of these opinions gagged me. I need that caller to post in the discord and tell us WHO is the lyricist who is doing it better than Taylor. I really, really need to know. Secondly, I can be driving in the car alone, singing to Long Live and I get choked up. How can someone not love hearing it on the Eras tour? I died a little hearing that opinion. Snakes, you are hilarious as always. Thanks for the top tier entertainment!

Shannon

It is absolutely feeding me to watch you divas get pushed into full on hand heart mode by these opinions. I love it 🫶

Jennie 🐍🖤

I never thought alchemy was about Travis until he said it was his favourite song. Then I was like… huh? Ok why is that his fav song lol. At the end of the day we are never going to know lol I’m just vibing to the music

Arly Hernandez

this gagged me I cannot believe there are people in our sacred space who have these opinions 😭

Sara Sweet

Zack bringing up the secret sessions and Madeline’s face kills meeee!!!!! She said “riiiight 😐”

Sara Sweet

Ranking colabs video plz!!

Hannah

Ok case officially closed. Hahah. It’s exactly how I would process all of that, you create a narrative based on the patterns and perceptions and reference points at the time etc etc etc. Esp with rebounds and ghosting cuz they’re so confusing

Samuel Scouller

aww i’m so sad mine didn’t get selected but i hope i get a phone in next time!

Hayley

Reputation the worst album! 😵‍💫 not my fav! Madness! You both are entertaining as always. I also think Taylor may be codependent and it impacts her relationships. It is not about her jumping from relationship to relationship (which we don’t even really know if that’s what she does). It’s the type of relationship she seems to form. My source is that I have codependent tendencies and therapy. 😂 Fanfiction or para social I get that, I don’t want to claim I actually know her, but I do think the possible codependency can be pointed out in her songs. I see it all over her lyrics. Right Where You Left Me is a song that really pops into my mind but there are many examples. I’d be willing to bet your “Taylor Anxiety” playlist and my “Taylor Codependent” playlist have some overlap! I also think it is part of why she is so popular. Many people struggle with the same type of relationship patterns.

Alice Lahoda

oh god I'm only going to hear CBBH that way from now on

Liz A

When did she say she sent out the album for pressing at the end eras? Cause I don’t know why ppl aren’t using that argument more

Leslie

Ok I just found it and I guess I didn't remember it quite right. It was in Tokyo which were the first shows after announcing TTPD at the Grammys. She says "You turn in an album months in advance so you can make vinyls...I've been working on it for about two years. I kept working on it throughout the US tour." So she doesn't explicitly say it was finished in August, but I think it's implied it was finished sometime around the end of the US tour or shortly after, otherwise I think she would have mentioned working on it during her break too. Either way, it was definitely finished before the Tokyo shows, which were before the Super Bowl. So I think we can at least safely say The Alchemy isn't about that particular game. Link: https://x.com/swifferupdates/status/1755170470037746150?t=01aojteMTmKHDYcELqVbuA&s=19

Ash 🪻

Honestly this was quite good episode to not be picked for if you didn’t wanna catch strays 😅

Helena

the taylor's version project slander was insane. She is doing it to OWN her WORK first and foremost. Not us. Also recreating the atmosphere of reputation and debut, bringing back memories?? I don't understand why you wouldn't want this. also can someone send me a new link to join the discord? I can't get in and it's honestly saddening I need to be there🫶🏻

SH

I mean Travis listed 'Blank Space,' 'The Alchemy,' and 'So High School' as his favourites, so why would he list that song if it was wasn’t actually about him and the specific lines like 'Shirts off, and your friends lift you up over their heads / Beer sticking to the floor / Cheers chanted, cause they said / There was no chance, trying to be / The greatest in the league / Where's the trophy? / He just comes running over to me' seem to tie directly to football and him. It doesn’t make sense that he’d say it’s in my top 3 and him thinking or knowing it’s about him if it wasn't plus shes played it at shows when he was in attendance. It’s obviously possible the song is about both of them or just the feeling of a new relationship and breaking away from one wearing you down.

SH

Taylor's worst writing is someone else's best writing, PERIOD. By the way, zero to do with this Idk if you guys have seen this, but Christopher Wilding, Elizabeth Taylor's son, said in a recent guardian interview that Taylor reminds him of his mother. He said, 'I can’t tell you how much I admire Taylor. I’m a Swiftie. [Her Instagram post] at the end of that presidential debate was great. That reminds me of the same spirit my mom had.' Thought that was so sweet. 😂🫶

Miss_Lippy

Everyone saying Taylor couldn’t have written a song about Travis after only a month or 2 of dating him like she didn’t write “Enchanted” about a dude she just met that night 💀

Miss_Lippy

The caller who wants Debut TV before Rep TV tho- truly stunned 😳

Swiftologist

Madeline's mic is REALLY REALLY sensitive and we can't edit around it but fear not bc she just got a new one x

iLaney90

I've slept on it, and I would like to say that if the person who wants DebutTV before RepTV had made a different argument other than they just don't like Rep, I could understand. MY thought is that there is little to no hype for the re-recording of Debut if RepTV comes out first. Once RepTV comes out, the hype around the project will be over, in my opinion. I think, from the standpoint of wanting to maintain hype around the project, DebutTV coming first and making people wait for RepTV until after will do more in that department.

iLaney90

But honestly, that's still not about what fans would want and is more about what makes sense as a business decision for Taylor.

Sacred_sunflower

They’re uneducated fools! Lol they know nothing! Hahaha

Terry B

re: Debut TV wonder how it’d turn out: OG is nostalgic. TV has better vocals but girl-boss mature mindset wouldn’t jive with debut lyrics🤔 Maybe she could sing in a reminiscent tone acknowledges her confused youth finding her way in the world and at peace with her grown up self 🤔😊 Conclusion— own both 😃🤗

Pamela F

My fav question is the irreversible psychological damage about dating the boy on the football team 😂☠️🖤 mostly bc I relate to playing out childhood wounds in adulthood. I think the question was referencing her young deep desires for attention and affection from that type of person who is just out of reach, who is ~unavailable~. Dating Travis is probably super healing bc he’s such a good man, but with the wrong, uncaring person that old wound can be SUPER TRIGGERED!

Callisto

how do we phone a snake??

Rebecca Ryan

The Alchemy is 1000% about Travis.

Liz A

True I feel like they were a bit too harsh on that person

Hayley

I get not wanting to go down too much of a mental health discussion when you see what has happened to other celebrities. Or saying she will never be happy. That might be too far! It’s hard for me to not speculate at all, since it’s the lens I’ve been seeing her music through. I think the in depth discussion around her relationship breakdown with Joe is not that different than this. A victim/savior dynamic… reads potentially codependent to me. That doesn’t mean every relationship she has is like this or that she can’t/doesn’t have healthy relationships. I do see some patterns. Respectfully, as a fan. 🙂

Miss_Lippy

That is the lyric that flipped the script for me! I used to think that it must be about Matty because she used the word “bloke”, but then one day it dawned on me 💡 omg she said “blokes” as in *plural* because the British exes are warming the benches now/they don’t get to “play” anymore & she’s stomping around on the field with Travis living her best bejewled life lol The part about forgetting the trophy & just running over to her also always felt way more Travis-vibed to me too. Who runs over to her & treats her like she is the real trophy?? Who publicly and proudly love & supports her/is proud to show her off? 🧐 Not Joe or Matty, ijs! And once you accept that the song may be about Travis afterall, it all starts looking different & sometimes the evidence keeps coming with each new listen 😆 like even the “homecoming” or “returning” could also be returning to the public eye/limelight/return to being bejewled & adored by someone who is actually proud to show her off etc. And since “alchemy” literally means transforming something to make it better, it also makes more sense that she wouldn’t give that kind of title to the smallest man who ever lived….

Ash

The way I STILL am seated every time like OoOooo what is Zack gonna say after "I don't know if you guys know this...." I swear I have been here over a year and listened to everything and yet.....still a foolish silly dupable snake over here 😂🤡🐍

Ash

Something that I think people forget (or don't know because they didn't experience it) is that when we had to wait 2 years for an album and each era was 2 years long and there was no new content in between other than tours and interviews that were centered around that album, there was time to cook a concept and experiment with sound and such! Also time for the music industry to shift into a different trend or sound or whatever. So, if there's a "worry" I have content wise, it's simply that the increased urgency of content productivity in today's world is gonna burn anyone out, especially Taylor with how hard she works. ❤️‍🩹

Olivia

Travis is definitely enough of a himbo to think the alchemy is about him, and that’s why he’s so wonderful for her. No thoughts, just vibes!

Jessica

Thank you for your service in replying to these truly unhinged opinions. These were wild!

Rosario Varela

A low IQ moment 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Aif

You were sneaking a podcast listen during a meeting? Looll

Aif

Jimmy4President

Maja Gunhold

after this episode I'm concerned for our snake community. we are being infiltrated.

Georgea

ok the part about long live being boring hurt me personally!!!!! My show was the Vienna one what I WOULD GIVE to hear long live I am gonna cry

Océane Beccaris

My unpopular opinion is that I think she should alternate songs in the eras tour, like for example instead of wildest Dreams sing welcome to New York, or in the evermore era sometimes to sing 'tis the damn season or sometimes ivy to exploit more songs because this is the only tour where she can do songs of all her albums so make a moment for more songs, I don't know if it makes sense? Great video by the way!

Hannah Ramirez

Haha what an insane set of unpopular opinions. Loved all of it. And Madeline, just have to say this color combo you have going on is sooo good. The pink of the eye shadow, your gorgeous hair color and the neon green sweater!!! Truly gagged over it ✨✨✨

Theresa Mayo Tinaglia

I thought the person who was saying she was a bad cat mom was going to say that the cats travel too much and it's probably stressful for them. I could actually see that, I've never known a cat to enjoy traveling.