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Sadly there is no dictionary definition of swiftie. Webster’s can’t help us on this one, mostly because the idea of being a swiftie literally just means being a fan of Taylor. Generally I don’t give a shit if someone calls themselves a swiftie and they don’t have every single song she’s ever written memorized, especially not now when her discography is MASSIVE!!!!!!! 

That said. I see people calling themselves diehard swifties and in the same breath say they don’t know Fearless. I see people calling themselves OG swifties but they don’t like country music so they never heard her debut (???). This is obviously nonsense. LMFAO. It all just plays into how much of fandom anymore is fucking posturing and proving you’re a “real fan” by doing random shit like waiting in a 12 hour line to buy an ugly sweatshirt, meanwhile you don’t even know the words to TOSOTD 😭. This could also be part of the tik tokification of society - everybody needs to go to the eras tour just because it’s trending. That literally is how it feels sometimes. The number of utterly random girlies I see making tik toks of tips and tricks for the tour, and meanwhile they were just grooving and blinking at their shows because they don’t even know the fuckinnggg woorrrdsssss. 

It’s also like… a swiftie thing in general. It goes back to the dark ages. Taylor’s entire thing is her songwriting. You have to know the fucking words to these songs because it’s the entire point of being there. Not saying you should be stoned and hung because you don’t know the words to Mastermind or Fearless, but you probably shouldn’t call yourself a “diehard swiftie” when you‘ve never heard of You’re Not Sorry 😭. Normally I really don’t care about like the pedigree of a fan, but now come on. Suddenly EVERYONE wants to be a swiftie since ‘06, and EVERYBODY was there when she debuted the Our Song video, and EVERYBODY was at WalMart in Tennessee to meet her when she went and bought Fearless at midnight, and EVERYBODY remembers Adam Young’s cover of Enchanted, and EVERYBODY was there when she was a sad girl alone on a boat, and EVERYBODY was at the 1989 livestream, and EVERYBODY was there when she got cancelled in 2016. Like if all 2 billion people who claim they have always been there really WERE there, her career would’ve looked a lot different. It seems to be of supreme importance anymore to be the biggest swiftie in the FACKING room. Meanwhile half the people who claim to be these huge swifties blinked all confused when she started playing The Lucky One as a surprise song 👽

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Megan

i for one do think you should be stoned and hung if you don’t know the words to Fearless but that’s just me 😇

Justice

I really feel like this feeling of annoyance is amplified in the swiftie community because of how utterly HARD it used to be to be a fan of Taylor. from debut until relatively recently, people would jump down your throat and make fun of you for being a swiftie, saying Taylor is untalented and "only writes about boys". now those same people are driving up the ticket prices and fighting tooth and nail to go to her shows and posting for clout. we are justified in being a little bitter

Ksenia

I was 16 in 2008 and I've been here since. I'm 31 now. I remember when Taylor was posting videos of her dentist appointment. I was there. I woke up at 6 in the morning before high school to listen to her endless Fearless promo tour in the Fall of 2008 began with tons of radio interviews that were always in the morning. I went out and purchased a t-shirt from her shit LEI line (it's too damn small as I am no longer 16, nope not selling you can pry it from my dead hands). I was biting my nails when she was secretly dating John Mayer. And I don't have Eras tickets. Anyways venting.

Olivia Donovan

Yeah like no one is expecting you to know really random songs like sweeter than fiction. But if she starts to play last kiss and you’re sitting there, silent.. idk like what’s the point babe. I mean whatever but pretending like you were on the other side of the fence on national snake day is TREASONOUS!! I no joke cried. So if you weren’t on your couch hyperventilating watching all the tweets coming up, don’t claim to be anything close to an OG.

Chase

What I don’t get is the amount of money people will spend knowing they don’t know all the songs. Why did you drop 2k for floor and you don’t know anything??? I don’t see what you gain unless you just want to use it as some status symbol, but I think you just look silly.

em

the surprise songs she’s played so far are not “obscure” they’re just album tracks. out of those, 10/14 of them are on albums that were released/re-released in the past 4 years. i feel like this new wave of “die-hard fans” are here for the aesthetic and the unrealistic theories rather than to actually enjoy the music

Meghan Corban

I don’t really think there’s a point in “gatekeeping” being a Swiftie because she’s literally the biggest artist in the world at this point …….. I don’t really care who calls themselves fans but I think the only reason people care is because of tour and how hard it is to get tickets. I think if it was easy for anyone to get tickets for face value whenever they wanted, there would be no discourse on this. and in my humble opinion that’s valid!!!!! because yes I do think I deserve to go to the eras tour more than susie from la who heard anti hero on the radio and saw everyone’s tour outfits and thought it would be a good thing to use for content and post a cute outfit!!!! if we could both get tickets then I wouldn’t care but that’s just not the case bc tickets are only really accessible for rich people at this point unless u got them in the presale

Bryn

all there is to say is that they haven't read the sacred texts...

Hungrygames

i don’t get why people get all crazy acting like they’re being oppressed if they get called a fake swiftie. as if being a ‘real fan’ hasn’t been a thing in fandoms for years. like it’s not that serious… 🦔🦔🦔

Christian Roberts

spilled. it just shows who has and hasn’t taken swiftology😴

Mary Paige

The excuses are what truly get me. We’ve survived the literal trenches. We’re allowed to gatekeep

s

like I so agree but the thing about this that is the most insane is grown adults going to bat against actual children. like adults being annoying about not knowing the sacred texts? absolutely. but leave the youth ALONE you look like a weirdo!!

lucy

it's so funny bc these people spend all this money and energy trying to convince everyone that they've been there since day 1, but all you have to do is listen to them for 30 seconds to realise that's not the case 😭 front row for the eras tour but i know your ass wasn't in cinema screen 2 row B for valentine's day...and that's ok!! just make sure you're gonna shimmy to fearless before i lose my mind

Erin Houghton

I am a diehard Taylor fan who discovered her on MySpace and I wouldn’t even wait 12 hours in the beating sun in a merch line for a t shirt made in a sweatshop. I really can’t wrap my head around doing all that for an artist whose songs you don’t even know the lyrics to… Also I do think it’s a testament to how great of an artist she is that after all these years and being such a polarizing figure at times, she can still attract new fans and convert haters. I’m not gonna hate on someone simply because they recently became a fan. There are plenty of artists I’ve been late to the party in discovering… that said, I still take the time to listen to their back catalog, even if the newer stuff is more my taste. I just really can’t wrap my mind around discovering an artist on their 10th studio album and not being excited that you have 9 backlog albums to listen to…

Leslie

Just call yourself what you are which is a casual fan! There's nothing wrong with it! I went to tour with one last weekend and we had a great time! I don't care about people going to tour without knowing every word to every song but I'm annoyed by such people pretending they're diehard OGs.

Selli Diamonds

right now it's trendy to like Taylor but what eventually will weed out the fake swifities is if the general public starts to turn on her again.. who will stay and who will jump back on the hate train

bloop

I kind of wonder if this is a symptom of the world building Taylor has created for herself within her career. Like there’s a whole ecosystem now of unique references, syntax, symbols etc related to Taylor that swifties have been trained to pick up on and utilise as part of the fandom over the years. Maybe we’re just too deep into it now and it’s too insular for newer fans but it feels a little bit like those layers of the iceberg memes, but for these people the deepest thing you could comprehend is that the story of us exists.

MONTAY

I’ve been a ‘swiftie’ basically since reputation came out and I took the time to go through the archives, read my Bible 🙏🏾, and remember the canon. I was an OG Selena Stan fighting dragons in her comment section and only listened and followed Taylor occasionally. I don’t claim to have been there since the beginning but listening to all the old stuff made me feel like I’ve known her my life and I gained a real respect for her. I know just about every song in her discography because I fell in love with it, NOT because I wanna be an OG or a top swiftie.

Nitya Kadambi

I think this topic is super interesting and IMO I feel like your point about TikTok-ification of the eras tour is so true. Sometimes it does feel like people are getting hyped about this just to make TikTok content. The question of who is a "swiftie" is so interesting to me because I think that a lot of what we think of "core swiftie" experiences happen online. I've been a swiftie since Fearless, but was not part of the online fandom until 2020 when i downloaded tik tok during the pandemic (I still don't post, I mostly lurk lol). Prior to 2020, I knew every song, bought physical copies of her albums, would watch interviews/performances and followed her on instagram, but I was never on tumblr and also didn't really have friends who were into Taylor so my entire experience as a fan pretty much happened in isolation. My friends in college would make fun of me because the ONLY CDs I had in my car were Taylors lol. I had no idea about a lot of the fandom lore or inside jokes until 2020. I think if you asked me prior to 2020 I would say that I was a swiftie, but if you had asked me what does "no it's becky" mean I would have had NO idea. Side note: your podcast was so great because it helped me fill in those gaps as a fan! Now, it seems as though people think being online IS the swiftie experience. So many "fans" now are chronically online, wanting to use taylor trending sounds, buy ugly merch etc but they don't actually know the music or the lore.

Ana Facha

girlie was wearing a fearless costume and didn't know jump then fall? bc "it's been 12 years, my bad"? like listen, i get people not knowing the full scriptures if we're talking about old unreleased songs, but jump then fall?? i'm not gonna insult the girl bc i'm not insane but like bestie, you don't admit to that shit on tiktok where all the sharks are gonna tear you to bits

Cameron

Everything you’re saying is just facts. And idk why, I feel like this is unique to Taylor, and has always been? I don’t really see people saying they’re diehard Lana Del Rey or Ariana Grande fans if they’re simply casual fans- there’s something that the casual fans of TS obviously feel like they’re missing out on. Which I suppose they are- Taylor has so much lore in her discography, so many links and stories and theories with every song, that there is a deeper connection to songs like mirrorball and Question if you know the lore behind it than if you don’t. Whereas, I feel like other musicians (like named above), there isn’t as many links, stories, theories… like if I know Young and Beautiful and Video Games from Lana only, or if I know her entire discography front to back, I feel like I’d still approach a new record the same, for the most part? Whereas Taylor is really a very different person if you just now Shake It Off and Love Story than if you know the catalog cover to cover, especially with an album like Midnights. Anyway, totally agree.

Mr. Watermelon

I think nowadays being Taylor fan is more of a trend rather then being someone who's genuinely interested in her persona and what's she making. And "diehard swiftie" today is (only for me) the dumbest way you can call yourself as her fan because most of people who call themselves like that will tell you that they skip most 1989 or that she shouldn't sing Love Story on tour or that they never heard Haunted and they'll definitely attack you for your opinion. They aren't really interested in anything Taylor related they just want to brag that they were at Taylor Swift concert close to stage. And when you're going to the tour that's dedicated to all of her work i think it's understandable everyone would assume you now lyrics to all of the songs not only Don't Blame Me and Enchanted because they were trending on tiktok.

Walt Mossberg

I became a Taylor fan only a few years ago. But I got into it via ATW, which I loved and memorized. Then I learned all of Red (and, later. when it came out, Red TV and the film). I am a lyrics lover, and understood that to respect being a fan I needed to know the discography. So I started with Debut and went all the way through Reputation. I was ready for FolklEvermore, the re-recordings, Midnights and the Eras Tour (online). And I listen and watch you guys and others. So nothing she has performed on this tour is new to me or has surprised me - so far.

Mac Schwandt

I actually do hate keep any swiftie that had the opportunity to be a fan during snake day and wasn’t. I don’t care that’s my truth

abby

sometimes i simply cant resist asking locals who have eras tickets where they were in 2016… what hashtags they were using… and so on and so forth…. a demon possesses my body and forces me to ask

Anastasia Kill

Openly and honestly I’m a gatekeeper even if it keeps me behind the gates Where are the CREDENTIALS is everyone a doctor now too

Michaela Wagner

I really wonder if these ppl will start dropping off now that Taylor’s not doing secret sessions, showing up in random fans livestreams for a chat, no m&g etc. it seems like we had a huge influx of ppl who wanted clout from celeb association and Taylor seemed so accessible so it’ll be interesting to see how that changes now that it’s not just “we’re in lockdown so she can’t do a SS”

Danielle Gibney

i became a swiftie during rep (don't stone me). i've been full psycho mode since and did my research with the older albums that i admittedly didn't know as well... i feel like I let people who have been there since day 1 speak on her old stuff over me because it's not my place but other than that like it truly doesn't have to be a competition. and i've noticed such a trend recently of everyone and their mother coming out as die hard swifties since day one when clearly we all weren't there the whole time like idk....

Eden McFadden

They just haven’t read the sacred texts. They clearly didn’t sing teardrops on my guitar at their 4th grade talent show, or white horse the year after… I went to fearless tour but haven’t seen her since. I hope she comes to Toronto so bad !! I don’t even live in Toronto but that’s the only place in Canada she would go I think

Taylor L

I’m a relatively new swiftie/stan (folklore era) — i was always a casual listener of hers and liked a lot of her non singles but wasn’t invested in her albums/the lore until i really dove in head first fearless! i would consider myself a die hard fan now that i know her discography, but wasn’t before and i don’t think it should be a bad thing to admit that! like everyone has to start somewhere, yanno? the headassery of people lying for no reason is just what gets me 😭 like i think when people are upfront that they’re new fans it’s way better received than people acting like they’re something they’re clearly not lolol

Vrishti Hasija

I am sorry but if you haven’t memorised lyrics to ATW10MV you are not a swiftie. Her genius is songwriting. ATW10MV is a unique-incredible-never been done before-never will be done again-moment and yoy legally shouldn’t be allowed on floor seats if you dont know this song all too well (pun intended).

Julie Olive

DID YOU HEAR THE ENCHANTED TV LEAK FROM TOUR REHEARSAL?!!!!!!!

A Mortensen

i was loyal all through kimye-gate.... so i deserve to say i'm a swiftie

Janine

in 2010 i made a remix of enchanted owl city and taylor on windows movie maker for my taylor youtube channel so yeah i remember 🫣

Janine

honestly as a long time fan i feel like an old hag.. madeline i followed you on tumblr since like 2012 my url was swiftmas and i was extremely irrelevant but i was there through it all and listening to the pod is like reliving the mental illness of my teenage self and i am grateful to you guys for writing the historical record ! thank you for your service 🫡

Maja Gunhold

the reason people don't know the songs is because they don't listen to the music. i grew up with red and 1989 as albums as a kid never really knowing who taylor was and when she released lwymd i was shook and hungry so i researched all her older albums, illegally downloaded them, burnt them onto cds and played them over and over again like i was studying for a test lol. i would read the lyric booklets and think about the stories. that was how we interacted with her music as a fan back then. the new fans entered during the metaverse, with easter eggs and theories, aesthetics, eras and tiktok song trends. its no wonder why they don't know sad beautiful tragic. it's become too bloated. community is wonderful but maybe if newcomers stopped relying so much on fan discourse and just went back to appreciating, thinking about and living with her albums we would all be more well adjusted independent thinking taylor swift fans...and hopefully know why corey's eyes ARE IN FACT like a jungle.

Elena Gerhardy

On my Twitter feed right now: my hot take today is the “if you cant remember every song you’re not a swiftie” take is lowkey ableist 😭😭

Elena Gerhardy

There’s people on Twitter and TT like “I’m so stressed trying to learn all the words to all the songs so I don’t get bullied”.. like, ok??? If you really loved Taylor you would have listened to her songs enough that you’d probably know a lot of the words without actually setting out to learn them.