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Just last night, Zack and I were talking about how Taylor is really hamming up the idea of this department being an actual DEPARTMENT of some kind - she keeps using the term "file" to refer to the variant editions of the record, and even included a picture of a literal file in the initial Instagram post; we also see files in the background of the pictures on the online store when you go look at the deluxe editions of the variants. She has made mentions to "evidence", as well, which begs the question of....evidence for WHAT? And WHAT are you trying to prove? 

Then I remembered this line in Dear Reader, which I think stands as a natural bridge between the Midnights era and the Tortured Poets Department era. There are A LOT of interesting lines in that song, but this one, considering all these references to files, is particularly interesting. Maybe she just likes the metaphor and that's why she keeps using it, which is most likely. But there's something so interesting about building an entire album theme around the concept of "evidence" and "files"...

Is it that she's started thinking of her life and her truth and her actual story as something she has to prove, because people speculate so much and make up their own stories about her and her life and run with it (Deuxmoi being a great example of this, Gaylorism, the Matty Healy thing, etc etc)? Is it something specifically about Joe? It's also interesting how there's a song on the album called "Fresh Out The Slammer" and case files and evidence tend to specifically refer to a POLICE department. I mean we have to laugh, I fear all we can do at this point is just speculate wildly but I'm having a ball on this bitch doing exactly that. 

I have no idea what the department actually is, if it is really a concept she's actually employing on the album or if she's just using it so it sounds mysterious and builds intrigue, and why the hell she got us all riled up about a DELUXE EDITION of the album with a bonus track. See ya....I wonder if she's going to do that again, by the way, because there is surely at least one more variant that she's set to release. I'm NOT staying up. That's it. 

What do you guys think about all this department and files and evidence talk...does it mean anything, or is it just mysterious? 

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Comments

Gianna

Burn all the files… of Joe cheating? Cause she still wanted to be with him and she was pretending to the world it was a perfect relationship up until that ET article dropped that fateful day in April 2023? And now that it’s Joever she’s looking back at the evidence he was in fact a flop and a turkey

Candace Tirado

Please Taylor, PLEASE don’t botch this concept album. Please actually have a concept. I’m begging you 😭 it’s all too much

gaysofspades

I hope she fully commits to the department shtick. Like give us a deluxe edition that plays off of the investigation/Business thing. Idk the CEO edition

froot encore

I think we're in for a real gag

Laci Gold

I think we are all tired of all the different variants. I’m hoping for a deluxe album but I’m honestly sick of the endless versions that are slightly different.

Kate Ayers

I think she'll announce the remaining 2 variants at the first nights of Sydney and Singapore. I think she planned to give every country of this leg an announcement (well, Tokyo was her backup for the Grammys announcement)

em

get it off your chest get it off my desk, i trace the evidence make it make some sense why the wound is still bleeding, burn all the files desert all your past lives. i think it could be the journey from ignoring the signs that her relationship was falling apart to finally confronting the evidence (or the “files”) and then cathartically writing about what went down so she can “burn the files” and move on from the pain

Michaela Wagner

This feels the closest to a fully blown CONCEPT album that we’ve had Like Rep, folklore and midnights were all just concept flavoured - it was more in her mind But this is a lot of thoughtful theming. Would love a Lemonade style film. She won’t, but I’d looooove

Allison

The second it was announced I thought of how colleges have different departments (math, science, english, etc), and each of those departments usually has a chairman (which is what she called herself), so I thought maybe that was the vibe, but all the talk of files and evidence really threw me off.

Ashley C

I think it's simply for funzies á la "70s theming" of midnights. It for the drag of it all

Saarz23

maybe joe cheated and the way she found out was a file or folder that joe had? a file can be hard copy, OR A FILE ON A DESKTOP OR PHONE OR THE CLOUD.

Kate Ayers

Also what do y'all think of the J*e chea*ing rumors...I thought it was made up delusions until the surprise song mashup last night...getaway car + august + "WAS SHE WORTH THIS MESS?" ......

April

She also mentions in hits different artifacts and tracing evidence, make it make some sense why the wound is still bleeding. I feel like maybe she was in a period after the intital “okay wow I’m free feeling” of like oh god what have I done. Which is pretty normal post breakup of a relationship of that length

Cristina

What if the department is the fans? Since swifties are like detectives...and most don't believe things unless it's coming straight from her and as you said there's been a lot to speculate over...so this is her evidence, her truth

eM Jay

After Taylor mentioned in Melbourne how strongly she needed to write the new Album to get her through her life, I am getting this idea of a department being an institution where you can get help and support like a police department. So the writing about what is/was happening in her life (being a tortured poet) becomes the supporting department itself. Maybe? 🙃

JJ

I think dear reader being connected to TTPD makes so much sense. Another possible meaning for files could be literary everything on the internet about her. the one place where we mostly get our information regarding her. The idea of burning down the files and picking somewhere and just running could suggest literary disappearing from the public eye and imagination, her burning down everything ever said about her on the internet. that is one way I also see her connecting it to the idea of being "tortured" She's a tortured poet because all her poetry is available to the public, the poetry not just being her songs, but she herself and life as well. I just thought of the lakes as well "Is it romantic how all my elegies eulogize me?/ I'm not cut out for all these cynical clones/These hunters with cell phones" Maybe there's a theme in the last deluxe track in her recent albums? It's time to go???

Lisa Combs

This might be because I’m delusional and hopeful (because I’m a professor lol) but part of me wonders if department is nod to academic departments. The manuscript is also giving academic vibes and every academic department has a chair.

Alex Bardi

Unrelated but i missed these posts so much! I’m glad you’re bringing them back, they always lead to great discussions ☺️☺️

Ash

OoOooo maybe there are different kinds of institutions with departments she is touching on, and each variant's bonus track represents a different one. Like "manuscript" being an academic department, "bolter" being a mental health institution (like someone who runs away, that is a big thing in those kind of places, I know from working at one 😅), and maybe the next variant is gonna be more police department esque? Any other institutions I missed? 🧐

Ash

My reasoning for the mental health institution tie in is also "tortured" -- like artists often end up having mental health stuff, whether from the rip as part of what breeds their creativity, or from the fame and pressure and partying etc that ends up going along with a successful career. She could be poking fun at Joe with that narrative about tortured artists, she could be making a "madwoman" part II. So many possibilities 💭

Ash

Also also hospitals have files on files, especially mental hospitals 🗂️

Lyndsey

She could be doing what she did prior to the midnights release and just tease the Swifties to an extreme level of easter egg hunting and speculation until TTPD's release date. I'm trying so hard not to overthink this one like I did midnight's. Wait until the release and enter into the first listen with (an attempted) clear mind/ uninfluenced by the internet.

Erin S

Yes! Was coming to reference Hits Different!

Sacred_sunflower

Been obsessed with the line in the Alcott “did my love aid and abet you?” 🧐 curiouser and curiouser I had the same thoughts about the alchemist, fresh out the slammer and guilty as sin. “Have I become one of your problems” “I know my pain is such an imposition” “You do t get to tel me how to be sad” 🎤

Leslie

This is the vibe I get from it. She's was dressing very dark academia/schoolgirl in her ELS pap walks last year too.

Maja Gunhold

Evidence of a relationship, files of information, proving her side of the story, proving her case. I hate to speculate but maybe he made her feel invalid idk. Also there's an underlying unknown vibe of infidelity. Guilty as sin? Gives me this vibe. Another thing to prove perhaps. Ple ty of prison themes too. Even the bolter has that vibe.

Allie J

Yes I see this connecting a lot with Clara Bow who wound up in a mental health institution - perhaps she’s connecting with that story of speculation/examination of one’s life leading to a need to escape from the institutional nature of voyerism that she has built around her life in the public eye

“Stars, do u like dem?” Becky? 👀 🦗 🐳

Burn all the files and desert all your past lives - isn’t this an allusion to her wanting to move into being a Director? I know you’re not loving that Zachary, but it would make sense to reclaim all of her albums and burn all of the files and “past lives”, and have this to be her last big shebang on the music enterprise… is this what I want? Absolutely not!!!! It would be a tragedy. An absolute tragedy, and I would be a crumpled up piece of paper lying here on the floor for the rest of my life. I hate to even be writing this because it makes me sick to think about still, she does think years in advance and the idea of a department and files does sound all very planned out as do her outfits that seem to line up with her Directors on Directing interview skirt/loafers/sweater…. As for “fresh out the slammer” I am truly convinced that this is a reference to you can be my jailer Burton to this, Taylor. She has now reference on several occasions, feeling as though she had been locked up in that relationship fresh out the slammers seems to be a cheeky way of expressing some form of either anger or relief. - maybe another revenge song but then again, I think this entire album is going to be hopefully a very subtle and very dark and very sexy revenge at everyone and everything album that will ideally incorporate all of her recent vulnerability and self-awareness That would be my dream - synths but not too many of them, acoustic, but not entirely… maybe some rock elements… probably will sound a little bit Lana-esque (I love Lana Del Rey but I really hope Taylor will not try to imitate her)

stephy j. moore

I wonder if the idea of a Department was established with these two points: 1. Recieving her Doctorete at NYU - that would be a monumental moment for anyone, let alone Taylor who for most of her career has had a hard time of being seen by the public as a serious artist. This solidifies how seriously she takes being considered a serious artist. This would also make sense for where this academia style inspiration would start from. 2. Taylor knows she IS the pop industry - it's hard to find any current artist today who hasn't been inspired by T.S. and I bet she knows she is the HBIC of anyone who writes in confessional/diaristic styles. Since she has the doctorate in Fine Arts, it would make sense for her annoint herself as the chairman of this Tortured Poets Department. P.S. and with how heartbreaking her relationship with Joe must have felt (not wanting to be seen with her in public, not feeling validated as an artist while with him, ignoring/not addressing her frustrations with the state of their relationship, etc.) it's the perfect storm to feel like one of the most tortured poets of all and that heartwrenching experience mixed with her academic knowledge of putting words to paper, she is the one to captain this ship of wordplay mayhem 🫡

Teresa

Also, can we talk about how this past year she was dressing in academia vibes leading us to the TTPD era?

Bennie

I have a weird one. The line in hits different where she’s like “is it you, or have they come to take me away” immediately had me thinking post-announcement of it alluding to being taken away to “the slammer” or perhaps a mental institution.. Idk or I could just be running myself in circles.

VK

I see Hoax as being very much a TTPD vibe

Angela H

I think she wants to do more directing as evidenced by the directed projects section on the website, but then in her Grammys acceptance speech she was just gushing about how she loves songwriting and she just wants to keep doing it forever. Also her speech before playing YLM the other night, she talked about how songwriting is how she processes and gets through her own life. I think it’s in her bones and she will never stop writing and making music, however much she may dabble in other projects or passions.

Shannon

Yeah I’m getting the “proving her case” vide too

Angela H

I always read that line as being taken to a mental institution, like losing him has driven her mad

Isabelle Moret

Just like what happened to Clara Bow…

pam

the "files" motif + the ideas of law, justice, and comeuppance are super interesting things to note in this bridge songs from midnights to ttpd. i don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but another breadcrumb off midnights is that one set of lyrics in hits different: i find the artifacts, cried over a hat / cursed the space that i needed / i trace the evidence, make it make some sense. the artifact mention always stuck out to me as strange but interesting, and if you look, now, at the different editions of ttpd that have come out, the items that are associated with each one (i.e., the manuscript, the bolter) are listed as artifacts. so she is literally have us find and collect artifacts for examination and perusal, with the ultimate goal of providing us with... clarity? a self-defence? proof of her hurt?

h

To me it seems like an analytical approach to a breakup, like she's researching clues and patterns to understand it and how it all went wrong and what it means about him and herself. So at the end she can write up the big report and have it all figured out.

Tyler

Unrelated but Taylor sent Chats and reacts love letters and I need to know your thoughts lol

annie

thoughts on chats and reacts getting a hand written letter from taylor delivered by scott swift at eras?

Lae

Swiftologist

NO SPOILERS ON THIS PATREON OR IN ANY SNAKE SPACES.

Rose Lebeau

I feel sad in a way that empty-headed content like what they do is what gets rewarded and acknowledged by TS. However, it does support the idea that Taylor has covert narcissism...

Erin Hastey

Completely agree. I thought we were going full English department, and then she called the cops. Maybe it's a private investigator situation?

Sarah

I honestly have no idea. But I can’t wait until this shit drops. I’m more excited for this than my vacation stopping in several countries I haven’t seen before. lol I seriously can’t wait to decipher it all, to watch you guys react to it, omg. 😱 the fun. :D

Sarah

I am expecting the evidence and files to point out that Joever is a cheating scoundrel in sheep’s clothing. BUT I’d bet it’s going to be totally different than my expectation of that. Which she knows will be the first thing we think of.

Nadine

God I hope she actually picks a theme/concept and uses it all the way through. Would love each song being her going through all the moments of a certain relationship trying to piece together the crime that was commited. That would be such an interesting way of looking back on a "failed" relationship.

Starbuck1234!

It’s so interesting. The evidence, dear reader and burning the files. I also see what was written about the same time was the Alcott, her lyrics are also very police department-coded. “Did my love

Efi

Dear reader was the first thing I thought when I found out about the Department Files, evidence but also, don't look at me as a role model, my life is a failure, find better role models etc.I don't wait another Folklore Evermore album. I feel like more a junction of Red and Midnights.