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Ep.17: Ranni's Dark Path & Fia's Revelation | Roundtable Hold (Patreon)

Published:
2024-05-26 09:00:06
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2025-04-30 12:23:02
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Roundtable Hold returns, and immediately we've got so much to discuss and unpack.

This Roundtable covers Ep.31 and 32, and so we'll be digging into what Ranni's Dark Path entails, Fia's deadly revelation, and really trying to wrap our heads around what is meant by the word 'Empyrean'.

We're so happy to be back with Aunty Finchy and Elden Ring, and we've got some great episodes of RETRY and Roundtable Hold in store for you.

Thank you so much for your support.

RKG x

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Roundtable Hold | Ep.17: Ranni's Dark Path & Fia's Revelation

We try to understand more about Ranni's Dark Path and why she wants to walk it. Also, what is Fia up to now? For more details on other Patreon rewards, head over to: https://www.patreon.com/rkg

Comments

Philip Walsh

33:33, must be some kind of code

Aaron Dahl

I think you meant 'entails' not 'entrails' but I haven't watched yet, so fuck me if it was intentional. Love you guys and am so glad you're back ❤️

GazF

I'm of the opinion that Ranni's goal wasn't to kill Godwyn, but knew it needed to happen for her plan. In order for her to only get half of the cursemark that kills the body, someone else had to take the other half. So Godwyn was an unfortunate but necessary sacrifice.

Kenneth Allsop

Ambassador, with this platter of Elden Ring delights you are truly spoiling us!

Dean Brown

So good to have you boys back. So, so good. Like GazF has said, I think Ranni knew that Godwyn needed to die for her plan to work. I think Godwyn was chosen for a good reason by her that I'd love to hear more discussion of later.. I'm definitely in the camp of Ranni knew 100% what that night would involve. Including Godwyn.

rkg

I like it, GazF, and don't think you're wrong. Firstly, with this whole plot point – probably more so than any other in Elden Ring – is ambiguous, and that has to be a choice. If Miyazaki wanted to push us towards a more definite understanding, he could have. So he obviously wants this to be shrouded in some degree of uncertainty and a matter for discussion. I should also say: I genuinely don’t know. I don’t think anyone does. (Don't want you to think I'm lecturing you, but just wanted to respond.) I lean more towards Ranni’s ignorance or it being perpetrated by someone else, because once we’re in her service, she’s incredibly candid with us about the events of that night. We even become her consort and she tells us of her entire plan, an extremely dangerous one at that, but no mention of Godwyn’s murder. We talk about the cursemark with her once we’re in her trust, and she doesn’t mention anything about splitting it intentionally. Why not? 1. Maybe she doesn’t think it’s important. She sees Godwyn as collateral damage in bringing about a new world order and isn’t worth mentioning? 2. She’s ashamed of what she did? (Now even this line of thinking is more rooted in understanding a character’s behaviour, which is more speculative than other types of evidence the game offers: item descriptions (which aren’t always trustworthy either), item locations, character locations, etc.) Now admittedly she does say at one point, “I did it all”, which you could take to mean kill Godwyn, but that’s a leap, too. She also says she forged the black knives (lower case, so referring to the object) – why does she need more than one? That would imply to attack someone else. But no mention of the assassins. And why do the assassins turn on her and the Welsh Avengers? Could they be in the employ of someone else – the person who wanted Godwyn dead? Here’s another idea: if she has to split the cursemark, carving it into another demigod, so only her flesh perishes: why kill Godwyn? There’s textual evidence he was a pretty stand-up dude and loved. Why not put one of her brothers out of their misery? Maybe Godwyn would’ve posed a more formidable obstacle to her plan if left alive. And these are the fun meandering roads you end up on once you move away from in-game evidence. But that’s what great about this mode of storytelling. I love conversations like these but the further you get from firm in-game evidence, like you say, this becomes a matter of personal opinion and you end up making interpretations based on intuition you have about these characters. I do the same. On the show and Roundtable, I try to stick as close to what the text says. But also inevitably my own personal interpretation affects the discussion, and I ultimately (well, currently) buy into the theory that someone else was behind the murder of Godwyn, which we’ll get to in time. Might be worth bringing together various competing theories – big and small ones – in one of the final episodes of Roundtable Hold when it’s all on the table and we can deliberate them like a jury. Krupa

GazF

I don't disagree with any of that, and I don't want to seem like I was saying "you told them the wrong thing". I think you're bang on about the intentional vagueness on these events. Rather than just not saying the what happened, it feels like it's specifically set up to allow for multiple competing, yet equally plausible, theories. I think that's what makes it my favourite bit of story to speculate around, and it wouldn't take much tip me over into a different opinion.

rkg

Don't worry. I don't think you are or were. I don't think you can be wrong, unless you're absolutist about these things, because that kind of defeats the point of this mode of storytelling.

Sam

I’m so happy you guys are back.

Matthew Marlowe

How do we leave messages for the boys, in their world?

B&B

Very pleased for Gav finally getting that Adidas sponsorship.

Jake Tyler Howry

I always liked the thought that whomever killed Godwyn did it to hide the fact that only his soul had died. Like he was left a weird zombie husk and it was easier to kill the flesh and say it had all happened at once then to convey what had actually happened with him "perishing in soul alone"

Ben Mitchell

Search the patreon for "group password" and you'll find details.