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Hey patrons,

A little update from us. Today we’re going to make our Patreon pledge number private, and wanted to explain why we’re doing that.

We’ve kept it public since we launched because we always wanted to be transparent about how RKG is directly supported by you. It’s something we’re very proud of but recently we feel it’s become a distraction for some, which has affected us, and in some other ways, affected our business.

We’re writing this directly to you, our patrons. Your support allows the three of us to do this full-time and the creative freedom to make what we want how we want. But obviously some people misinterpret that number – they don’t realise we have to pay rent, corporation tax, utilities, and a host of other costs. We realise that the people reading this will get it, but sadly elsewhere we know that it has generated negative conversations around what we’re doing and what we should be making, which – to be honest – has affected us.

We have always focussed on quality. It would be very easy for us to produce more videos with less effort, but we’ve always believed in making the best possible videos. We make shows that have real production and proper editing. We believe it’s why those series are watched over and over. We don’t want to just churn stuff out – content for content’s sake – as the quality would inevitably suffer.

Also, we’ve recently had to work with some external companies and freelancers for some upcoming projects, and similarly, we feel they’ve also seen that number, misinterpret that as 100% profit, and have as a consequence inflated the quotes we’ve been given. As such, it’s becoming a bit of a disadvantage for us business-wise.

For both of those reasons, we’re going to make it private from today. We hope you can understand why we’re doing this.

Thank you, as always, and we can’t wait to share Retry: Chalice Dungeons with you on July 23rd.

RKG x

Comments

UnovaFarm

This makes perfect sense to me!! Love y'all ❤️

rkg

Thanks, Darren. The feeling's mutual.

Jude Sellers

Totally understand this, keep up the great work guys. ❤️

Adam Astbury

Totally understand! You do what you need to be a business

rkg

Thanks, Hannah! ❤️

Riley Waite

Thanks for the update lads, appreciate the explanation 👌♥️

Chris G

Jesus Christ it’s amazing what people get shitty about these days. Keep up the good work, boys. Thanks for all your work.

Tall Dave

Absolutely understand. Love and enjoy everything you guys put out. Carry on being awesome. Also can't wait for Retry: Chalice Dungeon. I remember the pain for playing through that for the platinum.

Sean Carr

Makes sense to me! Sorry people are dicks about this kind of thing. The community has your back!

Andrew Little

Sounds like the rights call! You're all awesome! ♥️

Andrew Gorham

That's makes sense, especially considering the issue with companies overpricing you. Maybe you could do end of year updates on how things are going (in general) so patrons aren't completely in the dark?

Peter Thomson

With you guys to the end of the line - slug4lyf

HeeroNiN3r

We always support you and understand that sometimes you need to protect yourself

Jay Armstrong

My word, I hate people sometimes. Do whatever works for you gents, there's a reason why we, the Patreons, are seeing this. We love and support your work (In fact I couldn't even tell you beyond day 1 if I'd ever even glanced at the totals)... Keep up the high quality, look after yourselves and let's all collectively ignore the haters...

The Cooks (slugs 4 life)

Big love to you guys. Totally understand and screw those people giving you grief xx

TyrannoPaulusRex

Sorry to hear that’s guys. As an adult who lives in the real world this seemed obvious to me. Keep up the amazing work 😘

Adam Grimes

Completely understand 👍🏻

Cameron C

You guys do great work and should feel comfortable doing it 👍

rkg

Shit. It's been leaked...

Ben Mitchell

Mad that this is even an issue for people. Can't wait for the dungeons lads!

Alex Hitchen

Whatever is best for the business and especially whatever is best for you boys, keep up the amazing work

James

Perfect sense. Well done boys...who'd run their own business, huh?! 🛡 up

Mike Fleck

I also run a company and it seems like everyone thinks I just get to keep the money.

shanodin

Ridiculous that you have to do that but fully understand it. The real fans will always be here and won't pay it no mind.

Lexxington87

Fully agree with you all - take care lads!

Alexander Boyes

I assumed the biggest cost to the business was keeping Powers wired on cold brew and Monster Energy drinks

Simon Swann

Totally understand lads. 👍

Dan Kilrea

I run a business as well and companies always try to gouge for more money. Totally understand

Lindsey P Lightman

Makes me mad that people have the audacity to talk shit. I personally don’t care what the numbers look like, don’t talk shit about our boys!

Jack O’Dell

Sounds like a good thing to do! Keep up the great work!

Chase

Bummer that those working with you are looking to charge based on what they think you make as opposed to their actual worth in work. Love the work and looking forward to the next series.

The Ritz

Very supportive of this, hope you start seeing less of that shite soon. Much love! 👍👊

Stephen

No issues here. Completely understand. Another Patreon I support has been dealing with a similar issue for YEARS and still has kept their numbers open and it is just a constant, unnecessary, conversation.

Will Widdi

We all support because we love the content and believe in you boys and what you want to create. Keep doing what you're doing we'll support you a 100%

Cliffbar J

So proud of you three and proud of this community. Your transparency and care are seen and celebrated, and please prioritize taking care of yourselves! Much love from GA

Jonny Lynn

Makes sense, when dealing with any third party you want them to quote what the job is worth, not what they perceive you can afford!

MikeyMyMainMan

As far as I'm concerned it's none of anyone's business! You always produce quality content and it's clear how much you all care about the work you do. That's enough for me! You do what's best for you 3 and keep up the amazing work. Can't wait for Chalice Dungeons! :)

Mark Deehan

You'll rarely lose money by underestimating the stupidity of others. Until IR35 I was a limited company so fully aware of the self same issues!

Jack Coleman

Totally get this. As a small/medium sized business, shouldn’t have to disclose your income. Especially if it puts you at a disadvantage when engaging external vendors! Hope all is well with the 3 of you. See you in the dungeons lads!

callum sutherland

Sounds like tax dodging to me But genuinely understand guys I've heard stories like that before for me just keep doing what you're doing

Alec de Mello

Completely understand :) such a weird world where you have to be transparent about being less transparent to get by (avoid negativity/being taken advantage of at the least)! Keep up the great work, love you lads 💜

Luka Sheehan

Makes complete sense lads! ❤️

Alex Mann

Makes total sense. Keep on doing what you're doing (you're crushing it!). Seriously cannot wait for Retry Chalice Dungeons. Just re-watching PTT Bloodborne for prep.

Margaret Bashaar

Your work has always felt worth my pledge - I'm sorry you're dealing with price gouging and other negativity as a result of attempting to be transparent with us! If going private with the numbers makes your work easier to do and less stressful, that is absolutely what you should do! <3

STUFFandTHINGS

I get it! I make content as well, and with only 65 Patrons, even I get blowback about how I must be making money hand over fist! Can’t wait for the Chalice Dungeons! Demon’s Souls remake in the future?

Gary Noble

The reason I love you guys is you're transparent enough to tell us why you're doing this. You really didn't have to, we're 100% behind you.

Bradley Jordan

All the work that you three put into what you do, and you get comments like that. It’s utter madness. You are amazing and this community is amazing!

David Reese

Totally understand. Always thought it was a bit weird that it showed that anyway

Joe Reynolds

Nothing but love from us - look after yourselves please!

Daniel Carpenter

You are the only ones on this platform that I’d seen show it so props for having it displayed this long. For me the more I saw it go up the happier it made me as I know it would allow you guys to invest and entertain me/us more. Can’t wait for chalice dungeon and keep up the good work, chin up ignore the haters 💪

Yasmine

Love you guys x

Steve Wood

How could it possibly be "tax dodging"? Just because they don't post publicly what the Patreon earns, it doesn't mean they can hide that information from the government. I don't post my salary publicly but the IRS still gets their due.

Ryan Hume

Completey understand why you'd show it & also why you want to hide it now if it's causing issues like that. Personally think it's crazy you have to do that as the support you receive for what you make should never have a negative impact on your business & more importantly on you guys personally.

Steve Wood

Running a business is expensive. Those naive enough to think otherwise are living on another planet.

Charlotte S

Completely support this decision. Ultimately you have to do what is best for you guys. I'm glad you hold yourselves to such a high standard - shows just how much you care about the content you're putting out!

Ollie Webber

Keep doing what you do guys and I will keep watching you. Love you guys x

MKFreigeist

I dont know if I quite get it.. but it sounds like for us Patrons nothing changes? Right?

rkg

Yeah, literally nothing changes for current patrons.

Björn Ekstorm

Understandable, and I hope this solves the issues you've been having. Stay awesome and see you under Yharnam!

Danielle Orosa

Keep doing what you’re doing, completely understandable. I’m gonna keep watching whatever you produce so makes no odds to me! Love you boys x

MKFreigeist

Alright :) more power to you then! if this makes your job a little easier, I totally get it :)

sibbie

Completely understand ❤️

Marc (fester) Steed

I don't think I'd be alone in saying that we don't care about the figures, we support you becuase we have chosen to becuase your content is so good. now hurry up and get powers on demons souls, I'm playing through it myself now and i want to see what bits he gets stuck on. pro tip, the barbarian starts with 0 armour

Patrick Rishchynski

You guys do you. Whatever helps with the company. I like watching you guys more then anyone because you see yourself as a company not just YouTube channel which means you always keep your quality standards high and I appreciate that. To be fair not like I've ever looked at the total number anyhow it just doesn't matter to me as long as you guys have enough to keep going

Sam Bowden

Thanks for being honest, still here to support all the great things you do!!!

Steve Wood

The amount of insane bat-shit stuff I see on the daily, across the entire internet, has made it increasingly hard to pick up sarcasm in text format. There are literally entire groups that believe the Earth is flat. Regardless, my apologies.

Alexander C Chalk

No worries guys. There's a reason we are your patrons! Can't wait for more finchy!

callum sutherland

Yeah fair enough I've got to learn to start putting emote on my jokes

Conall Jennings

I'm here for you guys, none of this numbers nonsense!!! ❤️❤️❤️

Ryan Scott

Crazy that this is something that even needs to be called out lads! Keep doing what you’re doing and know that you have our full support, always! Can’t wait for Friday 🛡⬆️

rkg

He's on his way.

Paul Southcombe

Love everything you do. Randomly, Spotify has just served up the IGN UK podcast #273. To the Manor Bloodborne...

Rico Scheller

Even for something as banal as making some numbers private we get a lengthy post which just shows the love for your fans. Keep doing the good work and don't let the haters put you down! ❤️

Lady Vengeance

Ugh people are so frustrating and naive. It is not easy to run your own business. And anyway if you love someone’s work why would you not want to see them be successful? Literally none of that makes sense. But what does make sense is you hiding the number and running the business your way. Cannot wait to see what you do next!

Steve Wood

On reddit we use /s often to denote sarcasm. Of course, having to SAY you're being sarcastic, kind of runs completely perpendicular to sarcasm. It's like making a joke and then explaining the joke - you completely cut off its legs. In a perfect world, we'd be able to write sarcastic stuff all over the net and have the intention translated without any extras, alas, this ain't a perfect world.

Callum Bowen

Doesn't bother me ha, good work as always RKG :) :)

AirTheFallen

No worries, boys! Definitely understand the reasoning behind it.

Mark Price

I understand this completely. There are always idiots who can only see what's in front of them and not appreciate everything it takes to do what you guys do. In my opinion, you create some of the best videos to watch on Youtube, also, the effort you put into your streams is on another level. Do what feels right for you, not for others. Keep up the good work.

Kristoffer Stryhn

Whatever you do we support you 100%! You have always been transparent, in some case even more than we deserve. I just love you guys and all the work that you have zone, and I still go back and watch all your series, becausw they are so funny and well-produced. Keep up the fantastic job, and we will alwayd support you :) Thank you se much!

Rob Davy-Cripwell

I'll support you however you want to handle it. Hopefully this will help you focus on doing the same great work you've been doing :)

Gareth Williams

The way I see it, the three of you made a risky decision to leave a secure job and you're reaping the benefits. Frankly, for the enjoyment you provide others, you're probably not being remunerated enough. It's no-one's business but the three of you. Thanks for the content and I hope RKG continues to grow for you.

Lotte Reinbold

Seems entirely fair to me - as others have said, it's something that you can choose to support or not, so I find this attitude of 'they get X amount so should produce X amount of content' really strange and distasteful (not least given the pandemic!) We think you're great and I'm sorry there's been this really unpleasant weirdness lately.

Brendan Doherty

No bother lads. Love you and the channel. ❤️

David Morgan

Sounds perfectly reasonable lads 👍

Anthony Painter

Sorry to hear there’s been negative comments. Especially given all you do to help others! Absolutely can’t wait for Friday!

Joe Dimmer

Makes total sense lads. Can't wait to see Posh Finchy again!

Andrew Parsons

Completely understand. Doesn’t bother me. Keep up the amazing work.

Alexander C Chalk

Holy shit they replied to my message! Made my day!

Chris Mulroney

Understandable, and it’s a shame it’s got to that. No problem with it at all, and we still get the quality content you guys always deliver.

Papa Nic is a Wizard

Love you guys, bummed to hear that people are not feeling the love too. Good on you for taking this step and as per usual, you guys are making me proud to be a member of this community.

David Ryan

Thanks for the transparency. I saw you guys were getting hammered on Reddit regarding frequency of your output, so a pleasant surprise to see you explain the context regarding extra costs. Hope this openness continues! Cheers

Matt Lentner

Because what's production cost amirite? 😉 much love

Ankeet Mantra

Thanks for the explanation. I always appreciate you all keeping us in the loop. Hope you are all doing well. Stay safe, and forget the haters.

Raymond Kelsey

I totally understand. Haters gonn hate!

Curtis Ebanks

Just finished rewatching Dark Souls 2 so I could jump into watching you lot do Flamekurker. Really love your stuff as always and completely understand why you’ve made this decision. Hopefully there’ll be less stress for you all now because of it. ❤️❤️❤️

Phil Williams

Totally understand chaps keep up the good work. I can’t wait for chalice dungeons this friday

Chris G

Start an OnlyFans…whatever that is.

Jonathan Cox

Fair play to you lads, could of just made it private with no explanation. I had to google what you were talking about, probably says more about me than you guys tbh 😂😂😂 It’s always risky showing those numbers for any business. You’ve made the right move though: Big love x

Louise Scothern

That's a good move on RKG's behalf, I'm sorry that it's effected your company

Ethan Holland

Completely understand, love the RKG content and I'm excited to see what's next and I hope you get the support you all deserve!

Liam

Good decision, all the best gents

James Hugman

Good decision! I've seen some of the Reddit conversations, unfortunately. I hope you never start churning stuff out just to appease these people!

Dylan Read

Who is it? Grab my Zimmo.

Mike Morton-Brown

Definitely fair play on this one boys! Sorry to hear there are people out there who don’t understand everything you do. I think everyone here who supports you know exactly why you are about. Keep up the awesome stuff, can’t wait to see a new finchy being born in the demons souls character creation 😁

Casey Boyd

Boys, your stuff is better than most the shows on Netflix. I don't question how you spin the straw into gold. I just enjoy the top quality gold that comes out at the end. Absolute fair play on this one. Hope it relieves some stress. You all deserve the best for giving us the best.

Drowsy Paladin

Honestly I don't understand what it takes to run your own business but I fully support any decision you take in order to make your content the way you want to make it. I'm currently rewatching darks souls 3 and playing a long with you guys. Very much looking forward to Friday and Posh finchys return. I'm one of those primordial slugs and I'm going to be an ancient slug because the love you have for your community and the content you create always makes me smile and this is a place I never want to leave. Genuinely much love to you three and thank you for all your hard work in bringing some of the best and surprisingly (given the games you've played) wholesome content on the Internet. ❤

Tristan Parker

Unfortunate that you even had to clarify this but I appreciate the explanation and totally understand. You all make spectacular, high quality content and I'm happy to keep supporting it because you genuinely deserve it. Your series are infinitely rewatchable, couldn't ask for more, keep doing what you do!

DocumentedMadness

That sucks that this was even an issue in the first place, and I fully support your decision to privatize that information. Keep on doing what you're doing the way you want to. Your content has always been like Saturday morning cartoons for me, but more than that, a window into a time when I could game with my friends all day without any responsibility. That value alone makes my monthly payments to the cause worth it, despite the feeling that the content is actually worth more than my modest bank account can reasonably contribute!! I hope this eases your troubles moving forward, you legends amongst men. P.S. I am wanking whilst writing this.

DingoUnchained

Keep it up guys, just booted up the sekiro series for the third time. TO THE FOOLS!

Sean Smith

No problem whatsoever. Keep up the good work lads!

Brian O'Mullane

You guys do you. No justification necessary. I’m sure I’m not alone in saying my pledge wouldn’t change if you had 10 supporters or 1000.

Mat Sol

100% agree with everyone above! You guys do what you have to do to continue making the AMAZING content you have been. I have watched everything you've released over and over and over again and I cannot wait to see what's next!

Linda Kelley

Just went up one tier. Not much, but you've helped keep me sorta sane these last few years. Can't wait for meet the newest Finchy . There is a Finchy in Demon Souls, right!!!!

Adam Tung

How do lads. Just wanted to say, no worries and keep it up. Hope those comments don’t get you down. Reckon you’ve built a pretty nice community over the years and that those spouting off are probably in the minority. Take it easy, and respect the Sea

David Font

Absolutely understand and support this decision. Cheers Boyz!

Alex Clark

Understand completely. You guys keep up the great work!

Brad Barrett

It’s no one else’s business what your revenue is so absolutely this is the right decision. The misunderstanding of basic business and maths is frightening among those sorts of people - do they even pay rent / mortgages and taxes, or eat? What’s important is that the quality of what you do (not the quantity) is always clear, and I’m sure it will continue to be enjoyed by us who are already here and others who join in the future. All the best to the three of you - we’re all rooting for you and cannot wait for what’s next!

Hannah Stead & Jules

We're paying for a service and you guys deliver in SPADES, Rory vs zombies for 12 frikkin hours, Krupa's horror movie watch-a-long (more of that please), Gav doing TWO puzzles for charity, podcasts, a Lego build, geo-guesser, pub quizzes, Animal crossing, the list goes on and on. Great content, tons of hard work and dedication, it's NOT OUR BUSINESS how our subscription is used, should we hassle Netflix for the same reason? Nope. You guys are great, we love you loads! To the FOOLS!!!!

Alexander Mulhern

Yeah, think you guys mentioned this was coming a long while back. Completely understand, and sucks that there's been some negativity and scalping going on.

Alexander Mulhern

100% support the move, y'all keep doing what you do!

Louis

Absolutely the right decision. There are a number of people who simply do not understand how a business operates and the true cost of running it day in day out while making it sustainable. You're doing incredible work!

Callum Horace

Completely the right choice. It's horrible that something meant to be so transparent and honest has affected your business. I hope this move helps you to continue making incredible content and keeps you happy. Really looking forward to Friday!

Cameron Ferguson

Such a shame this has happened. It’s the right choice and don’t worry I think the vast majority of people understand.

Andrew Laird

We understand bois.! Keep doing what you’re doing! !

Micah Kendall

Totally support that decision <3

Nick

Definitely mingin to inflate quotes, totally fair play to remove the number from the page.

Sally Butler

You will always have my support ❤️

Jamie Matthews

Thanks for the transparency lads, fully support you guys and any decisions you make 👍🏻

David Lea

Makes sense! Keep up the great content fellas!

John Gleason

Good for you guys, not really anyone's business tbh.

Ross McIntyre

I think it’s a really good call guys. Greatly appreciate the transparency

Kaj Das Raj

No problems lads, good for everyone to remember you are dealing human beings. Also your work is fuckin' ace.

StainsbyKingsby

Completely understandable lads! Keep up the amazing work! Quality over quantity IMO!

Tom Highton

Someone’s earning! Makes sense though, definitely quality over quantity.

Andrew McDonagh

Completely understandable guys. Shame that people can get so shitty about things like that. Personally, it was incredible to see that the community’s collective Patreon support had grown so big and was so proud, myself, to be contributing to you guys being able to deliver consistently amazing content. Do what’s best for your business at the end of the day. We’ll all still be here cheering you on 💪

Xavier Lane

Real G's move in silence like....you know