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Epic The Musical "The Cyclops Saga" FULL Reaction! (Patreon)

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2025-07-04 14:00:10
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2025-07-08 22:08:19
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2026-09
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In this video I'm reacting to the Cyclops Saga... NOTHING could have prepared me for what went down in this one!The songs I listened to in these animatics are Polyphemus, Survive, Remember Them, and My Goodbye!Link to the animatic playlist Spywi sent me: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOlKf542kK67FXau3dvqs1X8y8C68FtKv&si=I77qsb7aE_FPiJ_q

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Jules Moum

Before starting the video: Ooooh deeeeaaaarrrr. Some sh*t is about to go down! And it ain't gonna be pretty😬 11:29. That expression on your face Morgan... it's not funny, It's ACCURATE!!! The Cyclops is a cruel monster!! Odysseus should've attacked it, but it's nice to see he tried to be nice 26:14, "That's why he said his name was Nobody!" EXACTLY!!! Odysseus planned ahead😏😉, incase the Cyclops wasn't as peaceful as he seemed 30:28, "OH THAT'S GONNA BITE HIM IN THE A**!!!" Yeah, Odysseus screwed up here. He shouldn't have revealed his true name, cause it's gonna come back. Not gonna say how or when, but it's coming! Last edit: I hope you're doing alright Morgan🫂🥺. Politese/Polyteze, however his name was spelled, was one of my favorites in this whole musical. My nr.1 favorite (at this point in the story) is, believe it or not, Odysseus. 2nd to him is a character you haven't met yet. And 3rd is Politese, rip my guy🙏🏼. Anyway, looking forward to the next saga, which is one of my favorites, the Ocean Saga. Till next time, bye😁👋🏼

SourCoon

Morgan: *Praising Odysseus for being a genius and not giving his real name to the Cyclops* Odysseus immediately after: *Doxxes himself*

Süppchen

I get that everyone hates the cyclopse (and I do too to some degree) but in hindsight the cyclopse didn't really do much wrong. If you look at it from his perspective it's like someone broke into your house, killed your beloved dog and then continued to hurt you. (On top of that cyclopses aren't known to be very smart) While it is arguable whether a sheep's/loved pet's life is as valuable as that of humans in this sense, I would prbably also act violent if someone did that to my pet/me.

Chloe Small

a bit of context for the whole "blind the cyclops but let him live" plot point In ancient Greece, this was not mercy. It was basically the cruelest thing Odysseus could do. Ancient Greeks were very ableist. ^^'

FernAndGames

Nah, not everyone hates him. Plenty of people have sympathy for the big boy in hindsight, myself included, but he definitely shares some blame here. The cyclops, even from his perspective, specifically chose vengeance over peace. Understandable given his loss, but you don't get to claim self defense or a moral high ground after that. That's just you lashing out in grief/rage & the humans can't really be blamed for defending themselves at that point. Worse tho is that ole Poly was also going to kill the entirety of Ody's crew (🎶600 lives I'll take, 600 lives I'll break🎶), which is not at all justified imo when they've committed no crimes whatsoever against him. So really, it's more like somebody broke into your apartment, killed your pet & as a result you killed them back then decided to go ahead & blow up the entire apartment complex while you were at it lol

PinkPonytail _Girl

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the creator took some creative liberties with the design of the Cyclops, they really wanted it to look really scary hence the horse hooves and the scary mixed animal face

PinkPonytail _Girl

If you rewatch My Goodbye when you get to when Athena says "just a man" you will see polites spirit holding the infant. As if the situation itself wasn't heart wrenching enough we get a reminder 'hey polities and the infant died btw'

Süppchen

I think that him killing the entire crew is not the same as me blowing up an apartment complex, as even though his men didn't actively kill his sheep, they are still under his comand and therefore in his eyes ''partners in crime''. While this does not justify him wanting to kill all 600 men when you look at it from todays point of view, things were different back there. Ody and the others broke the law of Xenia which alone is enough of a reason for the cyclopse to kill Odysseus & co without considering his connection to the sheep.

Morgan Terry

Oh that was Polites? I thought it was a flashback to Odysseus contemplating killing the baby

Morgan Terry

Like my guy I was just praising you and now I gotta take it back 😭

tapdisneyintome

So....now we get to go the time honoured tradition in fandom of renaming Polities to Pancakes.

Production_Run

Why Polites? For ~THEMATIC REASONS~! Polites is a much more important character in Epic than in the Odyssey. He's described as Odysseus's best friend, but he also only gets mentioned twice in the whole poem. In the original, he lives past Polyphemus, but it's never specified how or when he actually dies. The usual fan interpretation for why Polyphemus specifically targets Polites is because he's identified him as Odysseus's favorite and kills him to get revenge on Odysseus for killing his favorite sheep. It should be noted that Odysseus didn't pull the lotus wine trick until AFTER Polyphemus declared his intent to kill all the men. It's not necessarily the pacifist route, but it wasn't unprovoked. Athena's primary reason for leaving Odysseus is his lack of wisdom demonstrated by revealing himself and failing to strike a fatal blow and ensure his enemies won't be able to return to cause more problems for him, not his defiance. Athena is the goddess of wisdom and chose Odysseus to tutor because of his wisdom, so she takes issue with him disregarding her teachings like that. That said, the Greek gods did tend to be petty and egotistical, and insulting and disobeying them was usually a good way to get zapped. It's a testament to Athena's wisdom that she doesn't just straight-up smite Odysseus for his insolence like most of the other gods would have. THAT being said, it should be noted that Odysseus and Athena's feud does not appear in any ancient sources and is invented entirely for this musical. Remember, the ancient poets and priests telling the stories of the gods believed the gods actually existed and could and would smite them for blasphemously telling tales of mortals being right and gods being wrong, especially gods whose domains included wisdom. If you say the goddess of being right is wrong, you can expect to get turned into a bug for insulting her. It's commonly said among Epic fans that the reason Polyphemus was so upset about the sheep was that he's a child by cyclops standards, but this isn't supported by the text of either Epic or the Odyssey. Odysseus generally comes across quite a bit worse in his handling of the situation in Epic than in the Odyssey or any other ancient Greek sources, though still not an outright villain like in Roman sources (the Romans believed they were descended from the survivors of Troy, so the Achaeans who invaded Troy, Odysseus included, were the villains to them). In the source material, the men don't immediately find the sheep in the cave, but Polyphemus's cheese and meat preserves- these are, after all, things it makes a lot more sense to store in a cave than live sheep- with Polyphemus himself being away at the time. When Polyphemus returns home, bringing the sheep with him, he seals the men in the cave by blocking the entrance with a massive stone he uses as a door and eats several of Odysseus's men. When he leaves in the morning to take the sheep out to graze, Odysseus hatches the plan to blind Polyphemus and hardens a wooden stake into a spear in the fire. When Polyphemus returns, Odysseus offers him regular wine, not mixed with lotus as in Epic, in accordance with Greek customs of hospitality (Polyphemus himself has of course already violated these by killing and eating several of his guests, but he's not going to turn down the wine). While the wine isn't drugged, it IS a very strong undiluted wine, which gets Polyphemus to let his guard down and eventually pass out. Before that happens, Polyphemus offers Odysseus a guest gift in exchange for his name, which Odysseus gives as "Nobody." In ancient Greece, this was commonly used as a pseudonym for authors writing anonymously. Once Polyphemus passes out, the men blind him with the spear, waking him and sending him into a rage. He calls out to his fellow cyclopes for aid, but when he tells them "Nobody" is hurting him, they assume he's being attacked by the gods, specifically Zeus, and tell him to pray to his father Poseidon, god of the sea and rival of Zeus, for aid. At this point, the men are still trapped in the cave, so they have to wait for Polyphemus to bring his sheep out to pasture in the morning before they can leave. Polyphemus feels the sheep's backs to confirm it's not the men escaping, but the men have tied themselves to the sheep's bellies to hide, and they get away. However, Odysseus taunts Polyphemus and reveals his name as they leave, and Polyphemus nearly kills them anyway by throwing boulders toward the sound of Odysseus's voice. Revealing his name is especially bad because the Greeks believed if you knew someone's name and home (which Odysseus also reveals), you could use that information to curse them. To be fair to Odysseus, since he was a king, most of his enemies already knew his name and where he was from, but he still should have known better. However, even the wisest of Greek heroes could be overcome by hubris. So, how does this turn out for him? Well, spoilers, obviously, but seeing as the word "odyssey" today means a long and arduous voyage and you've still got over two thirds of this musical left to go, you can probably get the gist of it.

FernAndGames

It's not the same but it is similar. Using vengeance as an excuse to take innocent lives, which I believe the rest of the crew objectively are in this specific situation. Guilt by nothing more than association isn't nearly compelling enough for me to say he was justified in wanting to kill all those people. This whole situation is pretty grey, which is one of the things I love about the cyclops arc. I made a whole long response then decided I actually don't want to get into Xenia at all lol To me, it's not really important in these debates when this musical was made to be viewed through a modern lens. Most listeners don't know about Xenia & it wasn't put into the musical as a factor, so I'm not really interested in getting into the hypotheticals and complicated lore of all that. Basically, I don't think it's fair to ask someone to judge a situation like this based on a single person's perspective and a moral code that isn't their own. Especially not in a story where a major theme is the questioning of morals. Not to say that it can't lend perspective or that it's not good to be open-minded. It is, and that's sort of what I'm getting at. It's not a black and white situation; nothing really is in this adaption. I think the best way to watch this is to try & see everyone's perspective, which I felt like Morgan did their best to do throughout the saga.

Süppchen

I do understand what you are trying to say and I am also not on the cyclopses side nor on Odysseuses in this case. However I do think that Xenia is still an important factor even if it isn't specifically mentioned in the musical as it was a huge important thing in greek mythology.

PinkPonytail _Girl

I always took it as people who have past on versus people who he is still fighting for that are still living, because I believe Penelope (and possibly Telemachus?) Are on the other side of Athena in that scene.

NatMcK7

I was NOT expecting to enjoy this as much as I thought I would but this is rather fun! Looking forward to the next saga with you!

Siri2319

Oh Morgan… you thought you’d have a PEACEFUL reaction experience with one of our suggestions?! Hahaha oh sweet summer child

Chloe Small

Also, 36:40 "I've seen TV shows with less drama!" Yeah, there are reasons why some stories stand the test of time. :-)

Phoenix_mercury

Yeah basically denying him the honour of dying in battle, literally just your not worth killing

Phoenix_mercury

His name is literally polite with an s on the end🤣 polites, pol-it-es, also hint on Ur #2 character?

Jules Moum

1. Thanks for letting me know Polites name😁 2. My #2 favorite character is a mischievous one. All I can say is, "Hahahahahaaa"😏. If you know, you know. If not, don't worry. We meet that character in the Circe saga (no, it's not Circe herself!)

EDHPlayer

Thing is, Odysseus never fought with Athena. Hell, if he did, he'd have been dead the moment he raised his voice.

Adrian

Odysseus, so clever naming himself Nobody so that he cant get tracked, only to drop the ball at the end by giving the cyclops his name and address. The Greek Gods have never taken kindly to mortal hubris, and Odysseus, as much as I love him, his flaw has always been his pride.

Vex Valor

It's interesting experiencing this musical with someone unfamiliar with the Odyssey and the Iliad. The scene with the cyclops I especially remember learning about in school. It's like reliving my high school English class as well. XD

Ashton Gunville

While I understand the disappointment with Odysseus and him doxing himself, it is also a bit understandable why he did it. He didn't know that Polyphemus would be a much bigger threat than he was. Odysseus was also grieving the loss of his closest friend and some members of his crew. Now, I am not, in any way, shape or form, excusing his choices or words, but it is understandable why it happened. ALSO, take into account that Athena, his mentor, kinda pushed him to snap as well by saying to finish the job, not understanding that Odysseus had just lost his best friend and didn't have the right headspace.

BartonBelladonna

though it's also interesting listening to someone who is able to see/hear the callbacks in the music and the visuals. most people except musical professionals don't notice that. and even some pros I've seen react to Epic don't hear them!