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Epic The Musical "The Thunder Saga" FULL Reaction! (Patreon)

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2025-08-01 14:00:15
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I CANNOT BELIEVE THE SH!T ODYSSEUS IS PULLING!!!

The songs I listened to in these animatics are Suffering, Different Beast, Scylla, Mutiny, and Thunder BringerLink to the animatic playlist Spywi sent me: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOlKf542kK67FXau3dvqs1X8y8C68FtKv&si=I77qsb7aE_FPiJ_q

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Jules Moum

0:10. Maybe. 😅😅😅 6:25, "It's a siren!" 🤣🤣🤣. You caught on that SO QUICK🤣🤣🤣 22:50. 🎶I opened the wind bag while you were asleep🎶 Eurillicus! How could you🫢?! 25:10. Yeah, That's Scylla!! She's not a god, but a sea monster. She has 6 heads, that are eels. Her price is 6 lives! That's why Ody told Eurillicus to "light up 6 torches" 30:15. Instead of "Thunder Saga" they should've called this the "Dark Saga" given how dark this saga really is!! 56:15. Totally understandable! In the next Saga, The Wisdom Saga, we'll meet my absolute favorite character from this entire musical!! You'll never guessed who😁😁 58:00. I honestly don't know how I was supposed to think of it. When I first listened to this musical, and they kept bringing up "just a man" I thought of Odysseus. Like, when is he gonna turn into a monster, and what will that look like? This Saga showed, me at least, how "Monster Ody" was going to be, and he terrified me👀

Metis Rose

Remember Ithaca is an island. At some point gotta be on the water

EDHPlayer

So quick things to note: Scylla doesn’t have a lair, it’s a strait, and it’s directly across from Charybdis. The phrase “rock and a hard place” is literally derived from that choice. “Hard place” is Scylla, as it’s easy to get past her if you’re up to the task of sacrificing six people - which the crew knew about mind you. “Rock” is Charybdis because it’s impassible. Also, Eury in the Odyssey isn’t the one who let loose the three imprisoned Winds. It’s never revealed who opened the bag and one can assume the true culprit died when they were killed by the Laestrygonians

BaseNikon

If you didn't know euyrilcus is actually married to Odys sister. He is his actual brother in law as well

Aiko

Heury can shut it, he did worse by opening the wind bag

FrisbeeDude42

So! Context! The cattle belonged to the “sun god” Helios, who lost power due to lack of worship. He essentially was the sun that Apollo flew through the sky with his chariot. His cattle were everything to him, so when they got hurt, he went to Zeus and essentially said “if you don’t kill them I'm gonna throw myself into the underworld and drive the spirits to the surface.” So Zeus came and because Ody was the only one to speak out against the act, he got to choose. Also, Eurylachus, loyal? HA! “I need you to be at my side and support me” “ok” *9 days later* “imma open this bag he told me not to” *500+ people die* IMMEDIATELY AFTER: “hey 6 people got turned into pigs we should leave them and dip.”

Süppchen

I'm so excited! The next and the last sagas are my absolute favs!!!!

Aiko

Okay there’s a mistake here, no he did not kill 600 of his men, he killed around 44-46 of them, the others where killed by Poseidon because of Eurycluse

JJ415

Odysseus did what he could sadly. Also! Fun fact there are tellings of the story where Hermes is actually Odysseus's great great grandfather which could be the reason why he came to help Odysseus out of the blue with nothing to gain in the end. Also I think it's obvious that Apollo the sun god is one of the children of zeus. And circe the godess that turned the men into pigs is the daughter of the original Sun God who was a Titan named Helios! The family tree of these characters are fascinating when you go down the line!

Åshild

Sure, eurylochus opened the bag but people keep forgetting that the bag wouldn’t even be needed if odysseus hadn’t doxed them to the cyclops. And he had no way of knowing that would happen either. So both made mistakes that got people killed

Cloudysky's

The only thing is Odysseus could never have known that the cyclops was Poseidon's son; however, Odysseus told Eurylochus and his men that the bag held the wind and wasn't treasure. Sure, Odysseus would have saved his men if he decided not to brag, and he definitely shouldn't have, but it was a much more innocent thing than Eurylochus disobeying orders. Also, they would have made it home had Eurylochus never opened the bag; they were close enough to be seen from shore.

FrisbeeDude42

And people be forgetting that none of this would have happened if Athena and Hera and Apthrodite weren’t all petty bitches who made the Trojan war happen because Zeus wouldn’t tell them who was prettiest. So it’s all the goddesses’ faults

Aiko

Okay it all goes back to the cyclops, if Ody had killed that Poly or didn’t say his name we wouldn’t have needed to have the wind väg and Eury wouldn’t have open it and we wouldn’t be here now, but yeah it’s not black and white, everyone is a bit at fault there and here

ANTHONY ASHMALL

A little context in most cases with sirens it’s get the hell out of there asap so they would have left ody and co. alone if they just sailed past them but Ody the “changed man” wanted to be more malicious and make them drown in the water by cutting their tales off almost similar how he left the cyclops permanently blinded and disabled. Another thing with the cyclops that in Greek myth would have been seen as so disrespectful because if he was killed it would be defeating an opponent but he left him permanently blinded which they would have seen lacked honor not seen as mercy

Aiko

Yeah it all does goes back to being the gods fault

Aiko

I have said that in my other comments since the musical is grey everyone is a fault even it it’s just a bit

ximechata

i’m so delighted you’re a fellow eurylochus defender!!! he’s the voice of the whole crew, truly just a regular man who doesn’t have the desperate drive odysseus has in the form of penelope and telemachus to get home. i love him dearly

FuzzBird

"I thought the whole point was not to loose anymore men..." 😮 ...LOL 🤣 Scylla is terrifying but her song is so sick when she belts out in eel form. What a voice! Can't wait for next saga. You're gonna meet my favourite character 😊❤️

jessie H

I love Kisu doodles mutiny more than Gigi’s. It shows the consequences of being at sea for so long. You can tell the crew isn’t doing well. And the heartbreak feels so much more real

Vengerin

People talked about Scylla already but some context from the original texts. Scylla and Charybdis were two femenine sea monsters that lived almost in the same zone. Charybdis was like... try to imagine a huge whirpool with pointy teeth, she was sure death and with Scylla you could pass sacrificing people. In the Odyssey, is Circe the one that suggests going there and she even suggests to speak with a nymph to avoid the sacrifice as the nymph can distract Scylla. All the crew knew the danger and the price and they almost didn't pay it but they got distracted avoiding Charybdis and Scylla snatched the six men eitherway. The form of Scylla also changed from author to author but mostly she was a half woman, with a siren tail and three wolf heads coming from her stomach (funny how the videogame Smite is the most accurate representation of Scylla XD). Sure eels is a choice that could be more marine like but that's that. And about Zeus, oh, boy... Greek Mythology would be a 90% shorter if he managed to keep it in his pants, so to present that facet of him, in Epic he's very innuendo based... and I think that makes him seem more cruel than the he's (he's cruel, mind you), because he seems more playful about the whole situation when in reality he's there to carry justice in the name of another god (Helios).

Jadyn P

I enjoy reading these comments, because I also got so mad at Eurylochus 😂 Yes, Odysseus had definitely made mistakes, but I think what gets me is that Eurylochus fesses up to opening the wind bag and is so apologetic, then is like "How dare you!?" In Mutiny I also took it as Ody trying to hold Eurylochus accountable when he said "You know you'd have done the same," and I think I would've been more torn if Eurylochus owned that. After all, him opening the wind bag was just (presumably) to satisfy his curiosity...how much more would he do if he knew it would get them home, or save his own life? (Like, I don't know, let's leave the men behind the Circe turned to pigs?) But instead, Eurylochus is all "No no, this isn't about me, YOU'RE the one in charge so it's ALL your fault!" *mutters expletives under breath* Last note/thought, I think you are absolutely right that Just A Man is meant to be about Odysseus, as it's him reflecting on when is one more step going to be too much? When do the ends no longer justify the means? Does tricking the enemy with a gift in order to end the war faster and result in fewer men dying overall make him a cunning strategist or a vile opportunist? Does killing an enemy's son to guarantee the life of his own son make him a good father or a monster? Have I mentioned I love Epic?? 🤣 Also, SO stoked for the next Saga, it's my favorite!! I would dare call it an emotional breather, but that's just me...

Pepe-G

Honestly, both Odysseus and Eurylachus made wrong choices, Ody giving his name to the cyclops, Eury opening the wind bag, but to me Eury's wrongs were a very teeny amout bigger. Ody's ego got a bit too big, and he made a mistake based on the information he had, he had no idea the cyclops was Poseidon's kid. But Eury went directly against not just his captain's, but his KING's orders, whether he did it out of consern for his friend/brother-in-law, or out of greed only makes his choise a bit Better/worse on which motivation one chooses as their own head-canon. Now as for choosing to sacriface the rest of the crew... It's horrible and wrong yes, but hosestly I can't blame him. Choosing his love and child over the men who had just mutinied against him (even if the mutiny was also understanable) and his friend who had just admitted he had betrayed him. Also not willing to die over a crime he personally had no part in. Oh, and also sacrificing the 6 men to Scylla, also a shitty choise but it's that or either starving, dying by Poseidon or hope to find some piece of land and staying there forever.

gnome_friend

I love that you caught the connection between the 6 torches and 6 men right away and how Eurylochus noticed.

Raine

Honestly for me "You know you'd have done the same" in Mutiny isn't necessarily about the wind bag but about Circe's island where Eurylochus wanted to leave everyone that Circe turned into pigs behind. Which also makes it interesting that Eury mentions how Ody didn't want to leave anyone at Circe's island when yeah, he didn't want to leave anyone, but Eury did. I can't wait for your reaction to the next saga Morgan! (okay and all the left sagas tbh but well😂) It will be so interesting to hear your opinions on it.

tapdisneyintome

Love the little pause right before "jump in the water" showing knowledge on sirens. Also, the drowning line for the sirens goes so hard, truly showing how harded Ody has become. Real glad you watched both versions of Thunder Bringer - both are iconic but get that message home I think of regret but deterimation, no matter how we the audience may feel about it.

Meghan Ross

THIS WAS SUCH AN EMOTIONAL DAMAGING SAGA!!!!! When it first aired I was in pieces!!! I DEFINITELY hated Eurylochus after this but everyone in the arc thought what they were doing was right. Don’t worry the next saga is better, plus it’s my FAVORITE saga

Thunder

It's always interesting to see how people react to Eurylochus's actions. Because all of the points that you made are true. But on the other hand, when it comes to the Cyclops (which was the inciting incident for all of their problems), Odysseus is never seen to genuinely apologize for it, even when Poseidon explicitly gave him an opportunity to do so. It's a little open to interpretation, but to me, it always seemed like he instead tried to justify his action, to claim that he didn't actually do anything wrong (whether it would've made a difference if he had apologized is another question entirely). In comparison, Eurylochus tried to fess up to his actions at the first opportunity that he got (and got brushed off). And then again, at what he saw as the very next opportunity, with a genuine apology. It's also interesting to consider what would've happened (within the context of Epic) if he HADN'T opened the bag. If NOBODY had. Sure, they'd have gotten home and reunited with their families. On an island kingdom. With the God of the Sea now having TWO reasons to be furious with you (one for maiming his son, and the other for circumventing the punishment he'd devised for said maiming). Yes, Eurylochus disobeyed his captain, brother-in-law, and king, while simultaneously dooming the fleet. But he also inadvertently saved all of their families.

POMMERA Pierre-Emmanuel

26:25 Short answer : a very beautiful and regular woman turned into a monster because of an incel who can't take a "no" for an answer and Circe's jalousy.

mimizzoid

32:20 In some animatics, Odysseus actually hands one of torches to Eurylochus, which the latter drops, leading to someone else’s death. Not only did he watch his brother in law sacrifice his friends, but he knew that he was supposed to be one of those six men.

Alexis Cardillo

Like you said it was a very messy situation and no one person was completely in the right or wrong, like other commenter said it all goes back to Odyssey giving his name and address to the cyclops but Eury didn't listen and opened the wind bag right when they within sight of home and again didn't listen regarding the cattle which was a death sentence to him and the rest of the crew but yet everyone was starving at that point and it seems Eury and the crew had given up at the point too. Just one thing after another to where there was no going back

SourCoon

Yeah, I imagine arriving in Ithaca without his crew would be an awkward conversation, especially since Eurylicus not only treated Odysseus like a brother, but he was his brother-in-law, married to his sister Ctimene. So I imagined having to explain to his sister why her husband didn't return wouldn't be particularly easy.

Lauren H

Think that was my favourite Saga reaction so far! Literally so impressed that you noticed Scylla going after the men with torches!! (Also thrilled that you didn't jump to villainize my boy, Eurylochus 🙌) But i'm excited for your reaction to the next saga in particular! 

d.katsuki.bakugou

If he won't have 6 of them die they all would of died.

Adrian

I know the fandom seem to heavily prefer AnniFlamma's animatics for Thunder Bringer, but I honestly prefer Neal's (Same for God Games and Ruthlessness) And now the first half of the prophecy from the the Underworld Saga has been fulfilled -- "I See A Song of Past Romance" - Suffering, the duet between Ody and "Penelope" "I See A Sacrifice Of Man" Scylla, Odysseus knowingly and willingly sacrificing six men. "I See Portrayals of Betrayals" Both Odysseus betraying his crew (in both Scylla and Thunder Bringer), and the Mutiny, with the crew turning on Odysseus "A Brothers Final Stand" Eurylochus’ turning on Ody. He is both his brother through friendship AND his brother-in-law by way of being married to Ody's sister. And fun additional note: The Sun God in question is Helios. Circe's dad, and he does not take kindly to people messing with his cattle.

Grey Nights

Ok I totally disagree with you on Eurylicus. Hes the reason over 500 men died. Poseidon wouldn't have caught up to them if Eurylicus trusted his captain/ didnt give to greed or whatever his excuse was. I know all of this started with Odyseus, but it got worse BECAUSE of his crew. ... we also seem to have different views on morality. Like on a massive scale. But maybe that's just my jaded world view at play. Not gonna lie, you got me frustrated lol. But I love watching others experience this all for the same time, so I'm definitely still watching.

Grey Nights

Oh and please dont think I'm hating! 💛 I've just spent too much time contemplating philosophy.

Jessica V

Yeaaaaah...... it's still going to get darker.

Jessica V

I agree I prefer Neal's versions. They put a subtle emphasis of family in the gods bringing them some humanity

PinkPonytail _Girl

Don't mind me singing no longer you in the corner 🎵🎶 "I see a song of past romance, I see the sacrifice of man, I see portrayals of betrayal and a brother's final stand"🎵🎶

elly

quick mythology fun fact: zeus only shows up to deal with odysseus and his crew because helios (the sun god at the time, the realm of the sun later gets passed to apollo) went to zeus and gave him an ultimatum. zeus either deals with the killing of one of his sacred cows or helios would raise the sun into the underworld and plunge the earth into eternal darkness!! so zeus didn’t really care as long as justice was served one way or the other

Ashton Gunville

In the song "Scylla," Odysseus couldn't warn his men about her, because I read about it, for my own knowledge and curiosity, so if I am wrong, call me out on it. Odysseus couldn't warn his men because it would have caused panic, and probably would have resulted in the men trying to fight Scylla and lose more than 6. Because to get through that place, you have to make 6 sacrifices for the 6 heads of Scylla. Again, I may be wrong; it was just something I read in an article about Greek monsters.

Outcast Spartan

the artist for this, put Apollo's image at the statue of the sun, this is a common mistake. Apollo wasn't the god of the sun in Greek mythology until much later when the ROmans started messing about with the stories. It should have been Helios.

Callsign-Corgis

In case it wasnt covered before, Its not just that Eury felt like he and Ody were brothers, they were literal brothers in law. Eury married Odysseus' sister. So not only was it a betrayal of a king and a friend, but family.

Booryanne

Honestly, Odysseus made the right call here. I get that people might not remember the details from "Suffering," where he specifically asked the siren for any route home that would avoid Poseidon. The siren's answer was clear: this is the *only* way. Every other route would lead them straight to Poseidon, and then *everyone* would die. Odysseus is a warrior of the mind—he's analytical. This was the smartest decision to minimize casualties. It was an incredibly difficult choice, but he had the strength as a leader to make it for the sake of his crew. And if he'd tried to fight Scylla, more than six men would have died, especially given how depleted and exhausted the crew already was. That said, I absolutely understand why Eurylochus would be upset enough to stage a mutiny from his perspective. Both of their emotions are valid and human. But I don't see how blindly sailing into Poseidon's path or sacrificing even more men trying to fight a monster that even Poseidon fears would have been more merciful than the choice Odysseus made.

Booryanne

Also, the crew's intervention shouldn't come as a huge surprise. Eurylochus has been stoking dissent throughout the entire journey by openly questioning every decision Odysseus makes instead of discussing his concerns privately. The crew was right when they said everything changed after Polites died. Polites served as a balancing force between Odysseus and Eurylochus. Without him, Eurylochus lost his anchor—the one thing that allowed him to trust Odysseus's judgment. After Polites' death, that trust completely eroded. He would have never been able to make a right decision in Eurys eyes at this point. I mean hell, the sacrifices to scylla are a perfect example. Eury wanted Odysseus to Sacrifice the men at Circes just a couple sagas ago. And now that Odysseus is in a place where he has no choice, now hes the bad guy for it? Nahhhhh lol

Booryanne

Also! My thoughts on the gods! (Sorry, I've been working while listening to your reactions and I finally have time to share my thoughts.) For me, it's helpful to think of the gods not as "good" or "bad." The gods are literally forces of nature. They're what created the world and everything in it. In this theology, that's why they can be fickle, "flawed," jealous, wrathful, and selfish. Poseidon isn't any more "good" or "evil" than a hurricane is—he's simply an act of nature compared to human beings and their struggles. The gods play games and are capable of love and hate, but we are small things made of clay to them. Literally—we're something Zeus and Prometheus created when they were bored.

Kandy muse

I love this thunder bringer animatic omg never seen zues being so zaddy with ody xD he said let me get in Penelope drag and kiss this man

Keira Johnson

I hear you on the Welcome to Heaven song. It drives me up a wall and so I had it removed from my playlist so it never plays.

Suplee215

Super late commeny but just for information, leaving your wife alone was one of the most dangerous parts of war for a war. The situation later in the musical is a common situation and the unspeakable olan they had is a way of obtaining the crown. It doesnt entirely absolve him but it makes the choice much harder.