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Episode #717: Oppenheimer (W❤️M) (Patreon)

Published:
2024-01-11 11:00:04
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2025-08-21 18:50:52
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2026-06
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“Oppie New Year!” - The Gang

On the first We ❤️ Movies episode of 2024, we’re chatting about a real-deal banger, and one-half of last year’s massively successful box office double bill, Christopher Nolan’s Oppenheimer! How fabulous is this cast? How funny is Oppie’s Batman moment? How wonderful is it to experience all these in-camera practical effects the masterful VFX team created? And couldn’t the U.S. Army have confiscated those bongos? PLUS: Who among us could run a hamburger stand, folks?

Oppenheimer stars Cillian Murphy, Emily Blunt, Robert Downey Jr., Florence Pugh, Alden Ehrenreich, Jason Clarke, Tony Goldwyn, Macon Blair, Kenneth Branagh, David Krumholtz, Josh Hartnett, Alex Wolff, Matthew Modine, David Dastmalchian, Matt Damon, Dane DeHaan, Josh Peck, Jack Quaid, Benny Safdie, Gustaf Skarsgård, James Urbaniak, Rami Malek, Olivia Thirlby, Casey Affleck, James Remar, Gary Oldman, and Tom Conti as Einstein; directed by Christopher Nolan.

Thanks so much for being the kick-ass Patreon subscriber that you are! Your support keeps the lights on around the old clubhouse and keeps us on the air. We know you have a lot of options for podcast enjoyment and we're stoked you chose to spend some time with us!

Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

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John Locke

Oh wow. Did not think y'all get to this one so quick. Can't wait.

Alex Murica

hell yeah dude I'm so glad I caught this in IMAX

Brandon Lozada

Been waiting for this WLM since July.

Frank Grimes

WHM just dropped the bomb on me, baby

Allen M

Great episode as always, and Chevalier was definitely on Vikings. Torstein. Great character

Allen M

One of the other scientists is also Floki from Vikings. Tall balding guy

Dominic Kovell

You had a bit about people seeing this movie and seeing it as pro-Oppie. I struggle with that interpretation. How can you see Oppie as a hero when he himself clearly regrets his decisions? Great episode - you guys nailed the fine line between comedy and analysis, as usual!

MarkNM

I'll say this for the movie: It gets to the fireworks factory.

We Hate Movies

is that show worth a damn? I know folks like it, but there's so much TV! - Andrew

We Hate Movies

I honestly think it's because visual literacy is absolutely dead in this country (USA) and folks were literally thinking that because a movie was made about him, and he's the protagonist, that Nolan must be portraying him in a positive, heroic light. Folks just do not pay attention to films. Also, much thanks for mentioning the comedy/analysis dance on the edge of a knife we do sometimes with WLM. It's not an easy task and it's much appreciated that you called it out, so thank you, Dom! - Andrew

Jason

Since Eric spent like 1,400 minutes watching this in the theatre, I was hoping he'd turn the episode into a Gleep Gloppie where he went into a he backstory of a bunch of background extras.

Paul

Oh, “Slow Horses” (Apple TV+) is freaking awesome, guys. Jon Gabrus’s favorite show. Gary Oldman is wild in it—wild!

We Hate Movies

Fuck, it's got the Gabrus Seal of Approval? How did I not know? I'm in. Once I finish Monarch: Legacy of Monsters this week, I'm gonna take a look to see what ole' Gare's been up to at AppleTV+! - Andrew

Bren

Love hearing you guys talk about the best of 2023. Any plans to cover the oscars?

Allen M

I loved it, but it goes on for a while, and I get why people drop out of it after a few seasons. If you’re into the time period, it’s a really good watch

Meara Brady

I’ve seen this at least 15 times and I just flew to LA to see it live with music. It’s a special film and thanks for covering it!

Mike Kling

Oppenheimer slinging that D

Paul Deehan

The guys enthusiasm on the WLMs is always infectious. Halfway through this episode I was planning a weekend Oppenheimer rewatch.

Joseph Xavier

Just listened to this at a quiet afternoon at work amongst my 15 or so female co-workers at a book publishers... Turns out my headphones worked fine, but it was also playing it on the Bluetooth speaker as well... Glad I wasn't re-listening to the Blame it on Rio episode!

We Hate Movies

Hmm, great question. I'm sure we'll be talking about it during On-Screen Live, but beyond that, unsure! - Andrew

We Hate Movies

Whoa, that sounds like the live score must've been incredible! Where'd they do it? - Andrew

We Hate Movies

Oh, whoa! Yeah, bullet dodged with that one, yikes! I think this Oppie episode is pretty chaste, although not entirely clean, of course! - Andrew

Joseph Xavier

What was weird is that I was locking-up and everyone left without telling me... You might have 15 more fellow Patrons 🤞🕺 I'll ask the room tomorrow and find out what happened 😅

Marty TC (child-sized Cardassian)

The only Apple+ show I watch is For All Mankind, which is probably my favourite current show. I also really enjoyed the first season of Severance!

RJ Cunningham

I saw this in beautiful 70mm Imax in Providence, and ended up accidently picking front row seats, and I'm a convert. I'm front row from here on out, seeing Oppenheimer like that was the most immersive theater experience I can remember. I had to turn my head to see who was coming in through the door on the left side of the screen. My entire sightline was screen.

Happy Panda One

Friendly reminder to you good gentlemen that if you want a Cilian Murphy dong safari, pay a visit to his first appearance in ‘28 Days Later.’ Granted, a younger man then, there may be a few extra cock wrinkles, now.

Busiris

This movie was my first time experiencing one of my 4K Blu-rays on a new not crappy 4K television (took advantage of some new year sales to replace my ancient HDTV) and I liked the movie before but watching it for the show like that I finally understood why it's just such an incredible movie.

Paul Deehan

I recommend Silo and Monarch (Russell Rules!) has been okay.

Eren Keskin

Sounds almost quaint how Oppie's bombs were only 15kt and 22kt compared to 455kt(American Trident) and 800kt(Russian SS-18 "Satan") bombs we have now.

Gabby Taub

I saw this 4 times in theaters, twice in IMAX 70mm (thank you, WGA membership perks!) and one of those IMAX viewings had a Q+A afterwards with Cillian Murphy and Emily Blunt. It was a really great night, but my favorite bit of info I learned was when Murphy talked about how Nolan wrote the script entirely in first person – so instead of something like "Oppenheimer looks out the window" it would be "I look out the window." Murphy said it was the first time he'd ever read a script in that POV and it really helped him get into Oppie's head through the filming process.

Watch_N_Rewatch

Steve's "yeah that's BOOBS" on the calculator, had me laughing outloud like a lunatic while I walked my dog 😂

Tim Batson

New Patreon tier unlocked: Secret Skarsgard. Y'all have a quarterly show about obscure character roles. I'd pay an extra dollar for that.

Meara Brady

At UCLA! It was some strange one-off that Nolan had cooked up to play the score live with the movie and then literally the entire cast showed up. Hearing Can You Hear the Music hit every sense in that auditorium blew my damn mind.

John Halski

I did t read Gary Oldman’s Truman as having bloodlust or pride over what he did. I think he was 100% in the right. Oppy didn’t drop the bomb. He had no idea it had been dropped. Truman had to make that call. If anyone in that room had to wear the weight that decision it was him.

Aaron Johnson

You guys kind of alluded to it on the episode, but there is actually another layer of connection between Lewis Strauss and the JFK assassination (and one I think Eric might have PARTICULAR interest in): Strauss was very close with Time/Life founder Henry Luce (his name is mentioned as doing a favor for Strauss). Luce, once known as the "most powerful private citizen in the United States," is infamous for keeping the Zapruder film completely under wraps and out of the public eye for years, that is until Jim Garrison had it entered into public record during the trial of Clay Shaw ("back, and to the left"). Curiously, 4 frames from the original film were "accidentally destroyed" while in Life's vault. I'm a bit of a Kennedy Assassination sicko, so I loved the subtle addition of Luce and JFK's names to the end of the film. Barely a wink, but shows the tangled web of the security state, burgeoning postwar intelligence bureaucracy, and shifting global hegemony, and what those in power will do to individuals who don't toe the line or play the game. Not critical to the story at hand. No time devoted to exploring the connections. Just another fascinating human wrinkle for us to ponder while our extinction dangles overhead.

RJ Cunningham

Truman didn’t really even order to drop the bomb. It was always going to happen. The US military was going to use the bombs, it didn’t matter the president. In fact Truman didn’t even know they bombed Nagasaki until after the fact, only Hiroshima. He was not part of the plan, at all. He inherited the Manhattan Project. No one that was part of that on a military level took any order from Truman, he just waited until they told him they were ready. Truman being so adamant about him being responsible is where the debate comes in. Bloodlust? No, a callous indifference while clawing for recognition? I think so. I believe him being a man of that personality type is solidified with the Truman Doctrine

John Halski

That adds an extra layer on top of it. Thanks for sharing. My read on a lot of the movie is that, as troubled as Oppenheimer and others were about what they were doing at times, they could only ever see their role in it. That’s what made the “stakes” of the ending work for me. Old men bickering over legacy and presidential appointments, because that’s the world as they saw it. I still think Truman put it right, that *who* made the bomb hardly matters to those who died from the blasts. The tragedy for Oppenheimer is that even his own feelings of remorse or doubt over what he did was in some ways inconsequential to wheels turning outside his control.

Carlos Ramirez

I felt like Gary Oldman was inadvertently recreating his accent as Mason Verger in Hannibal. When I first saw Oppi I couldn’t recognize who was playing Truman but it was his accent that gave it away and I started to picture you guys yelling CORDELL!!! I was a little bummed no one caught it and we didn’t get to hear Mason yell CORDELL!!!!… DONT LET THAT CRY BABY BACK IN! 🤣🤣 but still, great episode!!! Hopefully the first of many 👍🏻

Jen Fred

What happened?

Joseph Xavier

Oh yah, it turns out everyone in my office was being polite and they figured that a few of them must've wanted to listen to the podcast. Which is strange as we've never listened to a podcast before. I think everyone thinks I'm just the cranky guy and so they mustn't disturb me.... Turned into a discussion on having a film club at work and now I'm in charge of running it (more work), starting with Truman Show tomorrow, The Room next week.

Joseph Xavier

A few have said they were going to listen to more WHM so that's all good too!

Paddy O'Rourke

Sly did "Over the top" which has way to much annoying kid in it.

Jamie

Take a drink every time Chris starts getting mushy over Tenet

Zora McBride

This'll be a good 'n! My girlfriend and I did the Barbenheimer thing last summer, great times! I had my issues with both movies but thoroughly enjoyed them as well. I'm looking forward to learning what insights Eric got after four views in the theater!

Jules of Denial

Great ep! Cabin’s point at 1:09:18 had me trying to think of real past presidents who appear as side characters in major American films and were portrayed as evil as Truman is here. How about Blonde? A movie I very much didn’t like, but JFK stops by for 3 minutes to be the literal worst person who ever walked the earth.

HockeenightsCT

4k? Motion smoothing? Phones? Friends I watched this movie as it was meant to be seen: on a standard definition DEE-VEE-DEE that my wife got out of the library. And it ruled.

MarkNM

Back in theaters soon!

Tristan

Good ep. Cabin is right, it's hard to pull off the Oppenheimer Halloween costume. You can end up looking like Eckhardt from batman 89. "Who is in charge of Los Alamos" "Oppenheimer sir" "Oh my god"

Daniel Hood

Watched the movie yesterday so listening to this now...so when Eric brought up Young Einstein here (ofc recorded before the LRM pickings) it felt eerie lol