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What is a run everyone loves that you cannot stand? (Patreon)

Published:
2026-01-17 08:04:45
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2026-11

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Our weekly discussion series starts now! For all Patrons, I'd like to give you guys a forum to chat with each other and engage (politely) with each other every Saturday! Here's our first one!

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Greg Jones

This maybe controversial, and I get it, but I wasn’t a big fan of the Krakoa era of X-Men. It’s not that I couldn’t stand it, it’s just not what I wanted from X-Men.

James Runge

I'm told by most that I'm wrong and I accept that, but Absolute Batman is not for me.

Psycamorean

Hickman's Ultimate Spider-Man. It just fails to be a Spider-Man comic, it's lacking what I think are clear, necessary elements to Spidey comics. I don't understand the rallying around this title when the things it's praised for (ie the marriage) seem like an afterthought and poorly written. MJ, for example, has far more agency in the 616 and often fails to be much of a character at all in this book. Peter himself isn't really a compelling character on his own without the reader's prior knowledge of who he's supposed to be. It just seems like it's lacking. The canonical month gap between issues also *really* makes the storyline feel truncated and as though major beats are simply glossed over.

James Runge

When i came back to comics the run was almost done and just a huge undertaking so I've skipped it. I'm told I'm missing out, but the more I hear from it the less I think I'm going back to it.

Geoff Cole

I remember reading Grant Morrison’s X-Men run at my local library when I was starting to read comics back in middle school . Could never get into it . I just thought it was too weird and confusing for my tastes.

Cat Lawyer

End of Ultimate Spider-man. I love it until Carnage. During the Carnage arc I realized that death became more like a shock gimmick. I was getting desensitized. That’s why I really didn’t like the ending either. I felt it was a series of random event. The fact that Peter dies because of an event completely unrelated to him took me out of the story. When he dies I was more like “sure why not” instead of sad.

Cat Lawyer

Yeah, the month to month sucks. So much of character development happens off pages

Cat Lawyer

I couldn’t stick to it either. For me the major issue is that we only see Bruce through Alfred. Also, speed running origins doesn’t help either

James Runge

It's like a flipped issue for alt universes. Ultimate Spider-Man takes time with beats that i enjoy in the moment, but doesn't have time for becouse its ending and leaves other moments off panel because of it, while Absolute Batman rushes beats that it has plenty of time to let develop but instead Synder is already on to the next beat.

Karsten

Punisher MAX, it’s just too depressing for me. I got half way through Ennis’ run and I had to stop. I realize that makes it good art to bring out that emotion but I just can’t do that to myself. I also just don’t really like the Punisher character so that’s doesn’t help.

Judah Coley

Frank Miller on Batman. This is, for some reason, a hot take, and I'm gonna be honest, idk why? But the only Miller-written Batman I can enjoy is Year One, and that's a good story. Now I don't like Dark Knight Returns, Strikes Again, The Dark Knight Returns: Master Race, The Dark Knight Returns: Golden Child, or All-Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder. They aren't Batman books to me, they're Edgy Frank Miller novels. And it's not like I don't like his other work, I think his Daredevil, Wolverine, and 300 are excellent, but my conception of Batman wasn't and won't be defined by Miller because of my disdain for the majority of his Batman work.

Blinky

I'm with you. Even TDKR, the one that's universally loved, I think is loved for how well-put-together the story structure is, rather than for characterization or consistency. I think Grant Morrison put it best: it's a story of escalating stakes that ends with the Twilight of the Gods, and everything feels like an appropriate next step. That having been said, because Bruce is older and has different experiences in that world, I'm willing to accept that he went a different direction, and so the different characterization doesn't bother me as much.

Blinky

Yeah, I'm this way with almost everything Ennis does (Preacher excepted). It's rarely good enough to justify how damn bleak it is. I want to ask Garth who hurt him.

Blinky

It's not so much "cannot stand," but I've always thought Sandman was overrated. It's fine, good even, but maybe because I'm jaded by the stuff that came after it, but as I read more Vertigo, it just recedes into the back for me. Most damning I guess is how much better Carey's spinoff run of Lucifer was.

Matthew Wyllie

Dude, I am the exact same. I read all of it for about two years and then I just got so annoyed with Hickman’s pretentiousness and his constant “I said the story is this but it’s actually this” bait and switch. In general, I just don’t like Hickman as a writer since I find he just rewrites 60 years of continuity and then expects everyone to fall in line and accept it

Matthew Wyllie

For me, it’s like most people have said in here, not a “cannot stand it” run but I don’t care for Brian Michael Bendis stint on Daredevil. The idea of making Matt’s identity public was interesting but the fact that DAREDEVIL is barely in that 50+ issue run. Plus, it was early Bendis so all that incredible Alex Maleev artwork was just covered with word balloons from EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER IN THE PANEL!! I do think it ended really well though, I love The Murdoch Papers story and the non canon End of Days was awesome but Ed Brubaker was right after Bendis and that was my kind of stuff.

Mx Self-Destruct

Snyder’s Batman. Like, yes, I agree that it is incredibly well written, and the art throughout his run is phenomenal. That said, I absolutely hate the way he repeatedly goes back to retcon things about Bruce’s and Gotham’s pasts and turn it all into some sort of mythical struggle between some sort of primordial forces of good and evil rather than Batman just being a rich guy who decided to turn his trauma into action. I feel like Snyder undermines Bruce’s decision to fight crime by making it some sort of unavoidable destiny rather than an actual choice, and I hated every single idea Snyder had when it came to Joker.

SecretbossSauce

Grant Morrison's New X-Men. The most I could get with their run was the first arc, and at best, it felt bumpy. It introduced several characters I didn't care for, and on the whole, read like a complicated mess that was strange for strange's sake. The end result felt like they were trying to make the X-Men into a new Vertigo book.

Jimmy Johns

It's not a "can't stand it" necessarily but reading Johns' Green Lantern, pretty cool but in hindsight it established so many dumb parts of modern DC.