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WCU 06 (Patreon)

Published:
2024-02-16 09:50:51
Edited:
2024-02-18 15:48:53
Imported:
2026-06
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The Destroyer

Bad news, this took longer than I thought.

Iffy news, I went overboard.

Good news, I'm back in the groove!

Enjoy!

Comments

Tyric Gaias

Odin being a shit father, how things change but remain the same

Meudon

‘properly enact torture ... populace -> missing end quote Because a part -> becomes Volstagg’s (753e2f) ... Thor (54eedc) -> artifacts and, while they had Sif -> and so they

Apeljohn

Well, that's a divergence. Odin still in full asshole mode. Thor still in exile. Wonder what'll happen once Thor 2 kicks off? I liked Karma teaching Thor how the baddies do things, even if only as a form of inoculation. Not sure if this was in response to my critique of the last chapter's lecture as idealist; either way, good stuff. The Evil Overlord List reference was a fun touch. Slightly less impressed by the Conqueror's Remorse section, not least because it seems to be directly equating the surviving Native American population with Sealed Evil In A Can. I don't think you actually meant that, but the way the monologue flows I found it hard _not_ to draw that conclusion. More broadly, the implication seemed to be that the First Nations got what was coming to them, which is... um... tricky to justify historically, I think. Unless you were just making the general point that it's unhelpful to relitigate the past? Or unless Karma's base is actually in the old Aztec territories? Correction tax: you got a couple colour codes still in there (753e2f and 54eedc)

Dragonhulk

"The Destroyer rearing back to strike, Thor lifting his hammer and swinging it with all his might," when did he get his hammer back? I thought Lee just awakened his aura but the curse remained so no hammer.

Dragonhulk

Never mind I somehow missed the fact that you gave Thor a hammer made out of pure lightning.

JohnJohn2195

Odin: "yes you saved asgard and prevented a war after you were attacked by out robot treasury guard but you didn't do it how i wanted. And you took handouts by something i dont understand so fuck you im gonna try and enforce the soul curse more oh and the guy stopped me going harder on the curse so just get the hell out my house." thor: "alright bet but im taking my friends and going on adventure but tell mom its your fault i didnt say bye cause your a salty king who don't know how to be a dad."

Mr Mouse

In fairness to the asshole, and his A+ parenting, I think he's referring to Those Who Sit Above in Shadow, and they're legit something to be concerned about; If you look at Thor through the same perspective as the golden twat seems to be

Mr Mouse

Oh no, not extensive content, not that If you're vibing with it, I'm glad, it was a great chapter

PublicLee Speaking

The third is part of it being a rough draft, as that's the hexcode for the correct text color when it's published, but thanks for spotting the errors!

PublicLee Speaking

The talk was planned, I realized it had that implication which is why I went out of the way to state the two were not the same, I was arguing against relitigating the past using current outlooks (and while cherry-picking one's recollection of it), and the color codes are because it's a rough draft and I'll need to implement them manually into QQ, as the copy/paste process strips the coloring from the text.

PublicLee Speaking

Odin is legit terrified for his son, and what Thor might have done in his ignorant desperation, but he can't just say that, ergo 'Exile but you can borrow the family car'.

Meudon

I just wanted to be sure because there's four colors between the two instances without artifacts.

Apeljohn

Fair enough. I personally find "don't relitigate the past" a bit nihilistic - the Nazis were 80 years ago now, can we still detest them? - but there's certainly enough philosophical wiggle room to justify it. Rereading, I think my confusion was because you're bouncing between two separate topics: whether we should feel guilty for long-ago actions, versus whether those actions were justified at the time. The native american bit is about our retention strategy for societal shame, whilst the reference to "Ancient Evil" is about not flanderising historical villains to make their defeat retroactively unjustified. The jotun example is kinda straddling the two threads. On the one hand they, like the Asgardians, seem to be morally comparable to humans; their deaths aren't generally something to cheer... which healthy attitude can be taken to unhealthy degrees. On the other hand they are clearly rather shitty neighbours, despite which - for example - they still retain their homeworld in its entirety rather than being displaced to make way for Asgardian settlers or industry. That makes their treatment look a lot more proportionate: it feels more "Ash vs the Evil Dead" than "Trail of Tears". The way the MC's monologue flows from natives to jotuns to monsters - and jumps topics halfway in the process - will, I suspect, lend itself to creative misunderstanding as an anti-aboriginal diatribe. It might be worth trying to untease those two threads in the public-release version, to avoid inadvertently genocide-trolling your audience. Or not; your call.

PublicLee Speaking

That's because those are standard colors, while the other two with listings are specific shades that don't normally show up in the color selection, and need to be chosen manually.

Bishop7053

Odin is definitely scared for his son, thinking he made a deal with those ass holes who sit above like cunts. Considering how he despises them, his reaction is understandable. When he inevitably learns that the power doesn't come from them, he hopefully will mellow out a bit. When hela arrives this thor will probably have a very different reaction to her. Who knows might be able to have a semi non murder family reunion. I'm definitely now biased just because she's hot. Nope no siry

Shane Andrews

Just a heads up, one part of your chapter is not coming across- to me at least- how I think you want it to. If I'm understanding correctly, during Thor's education Karma is trying to say "The natives of the Americas, when the colonists moved in and tried to claim their land, did some fucked up shit to their invaders right back and it is unsurprising it broke into open conflict." However, that portion sounds at first glance an awful lot like "The natives committed unprompted atrocities on the colonists, and the colonists were totally justified in the atrocities they committed on them, and to feel upset that what was done to their people continues into the modern day is to ignore the fact that it was/is totally necessary/deserved." Again, I don't think that's what you're trying to say- but if that's what it sounded like you're saying on first read through to me, then it's probable that I won't be the only one who takes it that way, particularly given how many people don't think past their first impressions.