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Extra from our recording with Bryce [patron only] (Patreon)

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2017-10-02 02:30:11
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We talked about Mythicist Milwaukee conference and ethics in atheism. 

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Joseph Kubal

Heard this conference was kind of a shit show....

Mariusz 'Kot' Butrykowski

You should post that second part of the conversation for non-patrons also. It's a really great, thoughtful discussion on the community's evolution. It's the Atheist Reformation, only without the antisemitism.

Big Easy Blasphemy

Regarding what feminism has to do with atheism, it intersects in two ways that I can see: 1) Feminism fights against a restrictive view of women's roles and rights, and a patriarchal order of authority, that in large part stems from and is supported by religious dogmas. For example, the arguments against women having full reproductive autonomy are usually religious. Religion is used to teach and enforce a subordinate role of women in marriage, one where it's acceptable (even desirable) for the man to discipline the woman, use her sexually without regard to her wishes or consent, expect her to put his needs and desires first at all times. The most common justification for that view is "the bible says that's the way it should be." So fighting for women's rights and fighting against religious dogma are often the same fight. 2) Some of this focus on feminism in the atheist movement started when women began to agitate for greater inclusion, voice, and respect within the movement itself -- which sparked wildly disproportionate pushback from some quarters. So the discussion of whether women are accorded equal status *within* the atheist movement is obviously a fair question for the atheist movement to address.

Big Easy Blasphemy

Also, mainstream feminism IS an egalitarian movement, not a "women first" thing, (tho there's a few idiot extremists out there, as there are for any viewpoint). And men, too, have quite a bit to gain from feminism's examination and critique of gender roles, given that the traditional manly-man gender role is pretty damned restrictive.

Tedcruz Forhumanpresident

What I've assumed is that being not just atheist but anti-religion, and being annoyed by the trouble religion causes, makes people pay more attention to feminist issues (which are low hanging fruit as far as reasons to bash religion go). This leads to actually caring about these issues.

Bill Garthright

Please keep in mind that atheism isn't just for men. And feminism is about equal rights for women, whether you agree with individual 'feminists' or not. Three men discussing a conference where three other men are going to hate on feminism, cheered on by their male supporters as one of them harasses a rape victim? Aren't we missing something here? Would women feel welcome at such an event? Would we invite white supremacists to a conference and give them a prominent platform so we could hear THEIR views? Would black people feel welcome at an event like THAT? Would any of us think THAT was appropriate?